What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

WR Josh Gordon, KC (5 Viewers)

matttyl said:
As an insurance agent, I've learned not to assume anything when it comes to "mental illness", if that's in fact what's going on here. 

Just a few weeks ago I got a phone call from a group client of mine who was questioning what could be done about an employee who just totally went missing.  Turns out he's an army vet who has PTSD relapses around the 4th of July each year (fireworks) and goes rogue for a week or two. 

Maybe training camp, or even football in general, is a trigger for this guy.  Being around other players or something.  Perhaps he really is looking for final confirmation of his health and well-being before starting on the long road of the season.  Who knows at this point.  He's not suspended, and the season is still months away. 
Click to expand...
7 weeks from yesterday, so less than 2 months, but yes technically true.  Although some would say the season starts when everyone shows up for TC. 

If being around football is a trigger, how good of a sign is that? 

 
barackdhouse said:
7 weeks from yesterday, so less than 2 months, but yes technically true.  Although some would say the season starts when everyone shows up for TC. 

If being around football is a trigger, how good of a sign is that? 
Click to expand...
Sorry, my timeline is a little screwed up (my mind is a tangled mess, put my down down about an hour ago).  Yes, only 7 weeks. 

I didn't mean to say that's a good sign, just saying that maybe there is a justifiable reason for what's going on that doesn't mean it's the end of his career.  Maybe he saw that he needed some help, and went to get it. 

 
I was really looking forward to seeing what Gordon could achieve this year. Hopefully this ends up being nothing. At this point I would put the chances of this being nothing at 5%.

 
Soulfly3 said:
Proud of my boy.

Anyone up for a sig bet that he playes Week 1?
Click to expand...
The issue with Gordon isn't that he won't be available on opening day . . . it's how many games will he actually suit up for in any given season. I don't know the man, but if his demons come out with the bright lights and the lavish football lifestyle, that potentially poses a problem every week, not just the first one. Put another way, if he needs some health maintenance days or mental rancho relaxo time for training camp, IMO there's a decent chance he may need that during the season and miss actual games. Again, I wish him well and hope for the best. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
As Gordon dynasty owners we have no choice but to hold and pray.  With this news, you won’t be able to get any appreciable value in a trade.   You can’t cut him until you know he’s gone for sure. Just hold and pray.  

Mans if he does play, maybe wait until his first blow up game and see what you can get for him then, so that you don’t have to keep riding this roller coaster.  

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Florio reported this AM that he simply had an anxiety attack.

Anxiety attacks suck...bad. If you have never had one you have no idea how much one can suck.

The good thing is they pass and it should be manageable. The toughest part for him is that he no longer able to use the chemical coping mechanisms he has in the past.

JG seems very committed to getting his life and career back on track. This is another hurdle but I still think he is heading in the right direction and I am still optimistic for his football career. 

 
Avoided this thread for a day or two to let things cool.

Ashamed for the people in here who treated him like a low life junkie in their posts. 

Guy didn't take a second off and was down in Florida training his ### off with his recovery partner. But hey... carry on

 
Chaka said:
Florio reported this AM that he simply had an anxiety attack.

Anxiety attacks suck...bad. If you have never had one you have no idea how much one can suck.

The good thing is they pass and it should be manageable. The toughest part for him is that he no longer able to use the chemical coping mechanisms he has in the past.

JG seems very committed to getting his life and career back on track. This is another hurdle but I still think he is heading in the right direction and I am still optimistic for his football career. 
Click to expand...
How long do they last?

 
FF Ninja said:
How long do they last?
Click to expand...
No idea about Josh specifically, but they can be quick (a few minutes), to several hours or longer.  If left untreated (which apparently he used to deal with with drugs/booze) they can easily recur, over and over, for days.   If this is what it actually was, I applaud him for not relapsing back into those old ways, but rather proactively seeking treatment.  Also if it was a panic attack, the "brief respite" timeline would make sense. 

This is kinda what I meant by my post a day or two ago about not jumping to conclusions when it comes to mental health.  Anything and everything could be on the table. 

ETA - This by no means was said to suggest that there is no danger at all for Gordon going forward.  If he were to have another panic attack say on a Saturday night before a Sunday game this coming season, his availability could be impacted.  We've always known that Gordon would come with risks, this recent news just emphasizes that. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
FF Ninja said:
How long do they last?
Click to expand...
For the people I know that get them, not very long - minutes to an hour(s). I guess with Josh though it could be a trigger event that makes him want to reach for a drink or smoke to calm himself.

Ironically heavy alcohol use is what triggers panic attacks in the middle of the night for one of my friends that suffer from them.

 
This would have been Josh's first (full) training camp in how long?  Finally going into a season with a "clean slate", or as much of one as he could have, which is something he's been striving to achieve for years now might have hit him hard.

 
It seems like the naysayers were wrong this time. We don't know for sure, but all indications point to anxiety or something similar causing the medical director to recommend treatment.

I'll submit this MIGHT be the news we're looking for in terms of Gordon making a full recovery from addiction. Looks like no failed tests & he's got the willpower to fight through anxiety or whatever is troubling him. JG also had the insight to seek treatment or at least answer the medical director's questions honestly.

Flash still comes with a fair amount of risk, but I'm actually encouraged if there's, indeed, no failed test. 

 
While Flash is going to miss TC which could be conduct detrimental in some strange fashion  Its a stance that could vary w/ some Doc's "cleared for practice" and a personal stance 

 
Bazinga! said:
Mary Kay Cabot‏Verified account @MaryKayCabot

Follow Follow @MaryKayCabot

More

#Browns Dorsey still won't answer if Gordon might be suspended at some point or if he's been assured by the league he won't be: "I respect Josh's privacy''

Seems odd.  Why wouldn't he answer that question?  Why would an answer like  "Josh isn't suspended and there is no reason he would be" invade Josh's privacy if this was just and an anxiety attack.  Makes you wonder if the anxiety attack is really an excuse or the reason for a missed test?
Click to expand...
Or it could just be that it's mental heath related and Dorsey is not an expert in that area and doesn't have a crystal ball.

 
Bazinga! said:
The question was if he would be suspended at some point not his view on mental health?  How does you response even start to answer why Dorsey couldn't/wouldn't answer the question.  Does the NFL now potentially suspend players for mental health issues?
Click to expand...
What is his incentive to say there's no chance Gordon will ever be suspended for this? That's effectively what you're suggesting he should be able to say and if he can't, we can all read dire consequences into this.

 
Bazinga! said:
The question was if he would be suspended at some point not his view on mental health?  How does you response even start to answer why Dorsey couldn't/wouldn't answer the question.  Does the NFL now potentially suspend players for mental health issues?
Click to expand...
What would their stance be if Gordon missed a drug test because he checked himself into a center due to an anxiety attack?  Wouldn't they suspend him for a missed test because he's in tier 3 or whatever it's called of the program?  And wouldn't that missed test have been due to a mental health condition? 

Perhaps his employer doesn't want to say anything about his situation because it's (mentally) health related.  HIPAA and all that....

 
Browns beat writers trying to stoke fears/clicks today.

MCK seems to want to make something out of Dorsey not directly answering the suspension question. He indirectly already answered that question twice. IMO he was just trying to avoid going into a deeper discussion on Gordon's current situation.

Then you got Grossi making a big deal out of Dorsey saying it could be a month, 3 days, a week,etc.etc.   Well yea if the reports are true and it's a mental health/anxiety issue you can't just put a timestamp on that.

 
Bazinga! said:
There  is too much smoke for this to just be an anxiety/proactive move by Gordon imo. 
Click to expand...
Why?  Why couldn't this be something that, for the Browns organization, just totally came out of left field for them and they're just doing a poor job (aka Browns job) of damage control?  Guy has a panic attack, lets organization know that he's going to seek help.  They don't know how long that will take, thus they don't really know any answers to any questions.

 
Bazinga! said:
I guess we will know soon.  I think you all are overlooking clues.  You all don't think this is much of anything here and I am reading to much into it.  Not much more can be said until we all know for sure.
Click to expand...
It's not that there's nothing to this. I just think if I owned him I would already be on DEFCON 1 once the news of the panic attack hit. Where do you really go from there in terms of speculation on vague or guarded team statements? Gordon being at camp on schedule would be good. Everything else is just bad.

 
Bazinga! said:
I guess we will know soon.  I think you all are overlooking clues.  You all don't think this is much of anything here and I am reading to much into it.  Not much more can be said until we all know for sure.
Click to expand...
Well with Gordon any deviation from the norm could be something - I think most are aware of this and his owners will feel some trepidation every time this thread is bumped. No one can say with certainty that "there's nothing to see here."

At the same time you ARE reading into things too much. Probably because of your continuing petty feud with @Soulfly3 and you are just dying for him to be wrong about Gordon again.

Right now there is nothing Gordon owners can really do about it anyway but sit and wait - so who cares if Dorsey is being somewhat cryptic with his responses? It's very possible he just doesn't really know what exactly is going on yet - this is the Browns we are talking about. It wouldn't be the first time they came across as ill-prepared or clueless.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Kind of sad all the way around...sad Gordon has issues and sad that because he is a professional athlete his employer is still hanging on....
Click to expand...
So employers should fire employees with mental health issues?

 
Bazinga! said:
That is another statement by you that is just your opinion stated as if it is a fact.  The truth is that is an owner by owner and league by league evaluation.  In some situations you are likely right, in others you are likely wrong.  I saw one trade in the trade thread where someone got a 2019 1st and 2nd for Gordon.  I would think that is certainly within the realm of "worth it"
Click to expand...
 Well then that's not a low ball offer, is it?

 
Bazinga! said:
Nope, but I was responding to the comment below.  The actual trade was an example of the fact that "It wouldn't be worth selling at the low-ball offers you would get now.", wasn't accurate in all situations
Click to expand...
If the actual trade was not a low ball offer then its not an example of "It wouldn't be worth selling at the low-ball offers you would get now."

 
Bazinga! said:
Please read

I said

The actual trade was an example of the fact that "It wouldn't be worth selling at the low-ball offers you would get now.", wasn't accurate in all situations.

Said another way...All offers wouldn't be just low ball offers
Click to expand...
Okay. Then you're refuting something that wasn't said.

 
Bazinga! said:
The whole statement I responded to was

"It wouldn't be worth selling at the low-ball offers you would get now. He's a "hold and hope" type at this point."

You are ignoring the bolded?
Click to expand...
You're not responding to the whole statement. You only responded to the bolded. 

Forget it. This is like playing cards with my brother's kids. 

 
A missed test is a failed test. 

Every reliable source said he didn't fail a test and he isn't suspended.

But yes, let's continue to speculate.

 
Soulfly3 said:
A missed test is a failed test. 

Every reliable source said he didn't fail a test and he isn't suspended.

But yes, let's continue to speculate.
Click to expand...
Every situation is different though.  Le'veon Bell got reduction for missed test due to phone number issues.

What if a mental health professional told him he needed to get treatment asap and he missed a test due to it.  NFL might not want to hammer Gordon and face public backlash for being against a guy getting mental health treatment.

 
Florio speculating Gordon may be looking for a contract adjustment because the Browns took him off the NFI list and put him on the did not report list.

 
Gordon has no business looking for a contract adjustment. Play the year, kill it, and get paid.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

JohnnyU
WR Tory Horton, SEA
2
Replies
69
Views
5K
JohnnyU
JohnnyU
JohnnyU
WR Jaylin Lane, Washington Commanders
Replies
13
Views
2K
Harjiran
Harjiran
P
D'Andre Swift with Ben Johnson
Replies
19
Views
5K
menobrown
M

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 3 (members: 0, guests: 3)
Back
Top