ghostguy123
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If JG goes for 120 catches, 1800 yards, and 20 TDs he still woudnt get a huge contract.
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habsfan
Footballguy
True. It's like the canned goods at the grocery store. Once there's a dent in the can, there's a dent in the can...
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Tejas
Footballguy
More speculation:
Player News: Browns | Josh Gordon needs NFL approval to return?
Analysis: Cleveland Browns WR Josh Gordon will be required to make a written request to the team for reinstatement and Commissioner Roger Goodell would need to approve it according to a league source. GM John Dorsey who would not comment when asked if Gordon could be facing a suspension did acknowledge on Wednesday July 25 that he doesn't know when Gordon will rejoin the team.
Player News: Browns | Josh Gordon needs NFL approval to return?
Analysis: Cleveland Browns WR Josh Gordon will be required to make a written request to the team for reinstatement and Commissioner Roger Goodell would need to approve it according to a league source. GM John Dorsey who would not comment when asked if Gordon could be facing a suspension did acknowledge on Wednesday July 25 that he doesn't know when Gordon will rejoin the team.
DropKick
Footballguy
Your affinity for Gordon is understood. I root for the guy myself. However, given the long track record and the sometimes bizarre behavior, you can't blame people for assuming the worst. Personally, I don't buy the anxiety attack spiel. I give little credence to Information in, from and around the NFL. This has a familiar "where there is smoke there is fire" feel to it.
Tejas
Footballguy
Seems an awful lot like a suspension. Why would he need to acquire Commissioner approval if the NFL Medical Director suggested he enter rehab due to anxiety?
DropKick
Footballguy
We don't know if the commish approval is factual or not. This just feels like last year (or was it the year before that?) where Gordon was on pace and then "poof" he was gone just before the season started.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am guessing that every player on the did not report list has to go through the same process. Probably has to do with the team signing another player to fill the roster spot, which they cannot do if the player is on the NFI list. We only hear about that because it's Gordon.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
They were discussing speculating on 92.3 yesterday why Hue said "if" and not "when" in the following quote...
On if there have been discussions about possibly not bringing Gordon back:
Jackson: “I think John said it earlier. We know where we are. We have a pretty good feel for where Josh is. We respect Josh’s privacy. We are just going to continue to move forward. I think this football team knows Josh, respects Josh, knows where he is and what he’s dealing with and can sympathize with that. Eager to get him back, if we have an opportunity to, so we will just go from there.”
On if there have been discussions about possibly not bringing Gordon back:
Jackson: “I think John said it earlier. We know where we are. We have a pretty good feel for where Josh is. We respect Josh’s privacy. We are just going to continue to move forward. I think this football team knows Josh, respects Josh, knows where he is and what he’s dealing with and can sympathize with that. Eager to get him back, if we have an opportunity to, so we will just go from there.”
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Check out Hue’s quote regarding his quarterbacks in the preseason observation thread. My 20 month old fussing because he wants a cracker is more coherent than what comes out of Hue’s mouth. It’s entirely possible that he doesn’t know the difference between if and when or which one he meant to say.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm slow...but somehow you don't seem to be able to pick up how message boards work. 90% of what is posted here is some one's opinion. Do I need to state "In my opinion..." before each post so that dullards don't think I'm presenting statements like "it will be tough to get good value for Gordon in trades" as facts?
And that guy who was able to get a future first for Gordon should thank his lucky stars. That's clearly an outlier - IN MY OPINION.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Is PacMan Jones being brought in as a mentor?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Man, the guessing is running rampant this time of the year.
It sounds to me like Gordon is actually complying with his rehab requirements (as difficult as that may be to believe) and the Browns and the league are giving him the space needed to do so. The only way he would get suspended now is if he bails on the rehab, and if so it might be for good.
Now how much if a dotering dullard am I to believe that Gordon may actually follow through and turn himself around?
It sounds to me like Gordon is actually complying with his rehab requirements (as difficult as that may be to believe) and the Browns and the league are giving him the space needed to do so. The only way he would get suspended now is if he bails on the rehab, and if so it might be for good.
Now how much if a dotering dullard am I to believe that Gordon may actually follow through and turn himself around?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Kind of hard to believe that report since I know of no details in substance abuse program which entails a player needing to apply to his "team" for reinstatement.
Also two comments of note below both of which strongly imply to me this is a not suspension issue or pending reinstatement issue, but simply up to Gordon:
Tyrod Taylor recently gave an interview and no big details but he said Hue Jackson addressed the team about Gordon and Taylor added we stand by him and his decision.
Yesterday in Dorsey's PC he said this: Who knows?'' Dorsey said of Gordon's statement. "Soon could mean many things. Soon could be a month, could be three days. It's soon. But when we get to that point, when he decides to come back, you embrace him and see where he is and move forward, see where he is physically in terms of conditioning and getting ready to play the game of football.
DropKick
Footballguy
You state that as if its a fact when, to me, it sounds like more of an opinion.You all are so funny and smart
but in the end I will be right
Chaka
Footballguy
You're right. Eventually Josh Gordon's football career will be over.You all are so funny and smart
but in the end I will be right
Congratulations you win... eventually being right.
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beer 30
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
They dont have much else to discuss apparently. It's not like this was a written statement by the team. It's just a normal flow of conversation by a guy who isn't exactly an English major.JoeSteeler said:
What should we read into when Hue uses the word "sympathize"? Is everyone else on the team an addict also?
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Interseptopus
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voiceofunreason
Footballguy
You’d think they would be by now.
But really I don’t know why they don’t cut him and move on at this point. He’s just a huge distraction for a team that needs a lot more than 1 player to turn it around.
matuski
Footballguy
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Next time you don't want to do part of your job just say no. I'm sure you won't get fired. Josh Gordon has it figured out.
sneakerfreak
Footballguy
I wish people would just leave him alone. If he suffers from anxiety the last thing he needs is people tracking every step he makes. He didn’t make the decision that Browns is featured on Hard Knocks so I totally get why a distraction like that would trigger anxiety. Of course the NFL needs to know about his whereabouts for testing reasons.
Rooting for him, hope he gets the help he needs to succeed in life and secondly the NFL.
Rooting for him, hope he gets the help he needs to succeed in life and secondly the NFL.
I thought was the case from the start and have to imagine the Browns fully understand why he’s going to miss most, if not all of training camp. It’s certainly not ideal, but Hard Knocks is a circus and not a posituve situation for someone trying to overcome mental health issues and re-assimilate back to the NFL. The people that criticize him, while he’s dealing with legitimate mental health issues, only reinforce the notion that we as a nation have not done a great job helping those in need.
I give the kid all the credit in the world for continuing to battle a myriad of mental/emotional/relational issues in his life. As others have alluded to, all reports point to him being well liked by those in and out of the locker room and he’s a doting father to his young daughter.
matuski
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
My only worry is that he actually made this Hard Knocks worse on himself. Is he really going to miss all of preseason and training camp and preseason to avoid the show? If he comes back during filming it will be a bigger circus for him. If he avoids the show entirely he'll have missed valuable training camp and preseason time.
matuski
Footballguy
He is a vet. If both he and the team (they are clearly on the same page here) feel this is the best thing, cool.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Or try tackling someone at work. Because working a regular job and being a pro athlete have so many common threads
Interseptopus
Footballguy
by the definition of what a vet is, yes hes a vet, but how many games and training camps has he been through?
Hes trying to learn the game again. practicing with a new qb. new regime basically from when he was drafted. by all accounts hes no better off than the rookies
The team is likely behind this because 1, what do they have to lose, and 2, if he is that fragile mentally then they have no choice; it's either have him come to training camp and relapse or give him space and maybe he gets it together. it's not a coincidence that they're talking to Dez
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JamieMurphy
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I wonder how much of a say teams have on access the Hard Knocks crew has to the team. Is that a deal between HBO and the NFL, or between HBO and the team? Could a team tell them, "Hey, do what you have to do but under no circumstances are you to get near #12."
Best case scenario from a football standpoint is JG stays sober and gets his head straight, returns to the team and gets in reps with his QB and the whole offense, and nothing from Hard Knocks triggers a relapse. I can't believe there aren't enough resources available to surround him with a support team that could insulate him from the nonsense.
I can't help but think the person behind arranging for Hard Knocks to be at TC is a little nervous about his job...never watched the show, is it that much of a boon to the team that it's worth it?
Best case scenario from a football standpoint is JG stays sober and gets his head straight, returns to the team and gets in reps with his QB and the whole offense, and nothing from Hard Knocks triggers a relapse. I can't believe there aren't enough resources available to surround him with a support team that could insulate him from the nonsense.
I can't help but think the person behind arranging for Hard Knocks to be at TC is a little nervous about his job...never watched the show, is it that much of a boon to the team that it's worth it?
matuski
Footballguy
I would disagree pretty flat out here.
He has been through training camps.. and he is certainly not learning the game again. He hasn't forgotten routes, and his primary advantages are physical. Run fast, jump high, be big. He loses some time with his QBs, but I imagine they haven't forgotten how to throw the ball as far they can either.
I would also state that it is unfortunate people are characterizing him as "fragile" mentally.
The Hard Knocks aversion is not about a relapse, it is about avoiding a circus. That circus would not be good for the team, and it would not be good for him. Nothing "fragile" about simple common sense.
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matuski
Footballguy
Why would Hard Knocks trigger a relapse.. people keep saying this? It is a smart decision by the team to avoid distractions, this is obvious.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Are they being forced to be in Hard Knocks? The answer is no. they chose it. so they are letting one of their most talented players forgo camp because of an HBO TV show that they agreed to be on. Kind of like poking yourself in the eye and then complaining it hurts. but then again, this is the BrownsI would disagree pretty flat out here.
He has been through training camps.. and he is certainly not learning the game again. He hasn't forgotten routes, and his primary advantages are physical. Run fast, jump high, be big. He loses some time with his QBs, but I imagine they haven't forgotten how to throw the ball as far they can either.
I would also state that it is unfortunate people are characterizing him as "fragile" mentally.
Josh Gordon hasn't been to training camp since 2014. It's totally normal to not do something for 4 years and be one of the best at it, sure. Since it doesn't matter, why do any vets do training camp?
I apologize that referring to him as fragile mentally offends you. Being mentally ill is mental fragility. nothing warm and fuzzy about it. and that comes from someone who has experienced anxiety in his past.
matuski
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
You have a Dr. in your name. Can you find the official diagnosis? Or is that an assumption? Can you find a source somewhere stating Gordon is not there because of this assumption?
Nope.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm not a psychiatrist. but it's been well reported that he is suffering from "mentall illness and anxiety" from sobriety, which is not uncommon
unless you think Adam Schefter isnt a good sports journalist
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JamieMurphy
Footballguy
I've heard speculation that when the Hard Knocks crew rolls in, so do the drugs that can keep them up all night and the partying that accompanies such productions. i don't know if there is any truth to this, but it is safe to say that some production crews burn both ends of the candle to do their job and may have some helpers in the form of substances to get 'er done.
matuski
Footballguy
Also - as discussed in the other thread, I deal with anxiety myself.
That isn't a reason I would miss HK. It would be a very straightforward decision based on the distraction.
It is not rocket science to determine the hot button topics HBO was going to focus on.
That isn't a reason I would miss HK. It would be a very straightforward decision based on the distraction.
It is not rocket science to determine the hot button topics HBO was going to focus on.
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matuski
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matuski
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Interseptopus
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