taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Same. And I wouldn’t have started him week 15 if I was playing. But now he’s a real contender to start in week 16. Especially since I’m very light on receivers despite being the #1 seed at 11-3.
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Same. And I wouldn’t have started him week 15 if I was playing. But now he’s a real contender to start in week 16. Especially since I’m very light on receivers despite being the #1 seed at 11-3.
modogg
Footballguy
Man, I was so bummed looking at the box score halfway through the 3rd and seeing 0 targets. Real glad they decided to actually use him, kind of wonder why they didn't use him more before halfway through the 3rd
rockaction
Footballguy
You can't light a match in the middle of an avalanche.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
We payout for weekly scores so it's a good start to the week. But it's gonna make for a tough decision next week.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
As I think about it, I’m less impressed by the stat line last night. Take away the long score when they were getting crushed and he’s 3/3 with 34 yards. That said, I anm encouraged that he was on the filed so he’s clearly an option for the desperate.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He is an average receiver who is capable of making some plays but certainly more of a complimentary piece. I would guess he becomes a bit of a journeyman after he finishes his contract with the Chargers.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I dropped him from IR and have no regrets. He was ignored until the game was in mercy rule territory and the other team was scheduling golf tee times for this weekend.
With Herbert behind center? Totally different story. But in this situation? Too risky for a playoff game imo.
With Herbert behind center? Totally different story. But in this situation? Too risky for a playoff game imo.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
I picked him up and stashed on IR I had this week off but will definitely take him off and drop Mitchell or swap IR.
Tau837
Footballguy
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No.
- Palmer is not a good run blocker which will likely cap his snaps under Harbaugh/Roman.
- Herbert's pass attempts will also likely be lower under this coaching staff, reducing the overall opportunities in the passing game.
- I expect the Chargers to give Johnston every chance to be WR1/WR2.
- I expect the Chargers to bring in multiple WRs via the draft and/or free agency.
- This Chargers coaching staff and front office is not tied to Palmer, and he is a UFA after 2024, so it seems most likely that he is not part of the Chargers future beyond 2024. So no reason to really try to make him a focal point.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I guess you can spin anything these days, I just have been terribly impressed when watching him. I do not doubt he will be somewhat productive because him and Herbert have familiarity with each other, however I do not see a world where he sniffs a Puka-like season.x.com
Chaka
Footballguy
He didn't say Puka (1,486 & 6 TDs) he said Nico Collins (1,297 & 8 TDs). That also feels a bit lofty but I could see Palmer end up in the 1,100-1,200 range for yards.I guess you can spin anything these days, I just have been terribly impressed when watching him. I do not doubt he will be somewhat productive because him and Herbert have familiarity with each other, however I do not see a world where he sniffs a Puka-like season.x.com
barackdhouse
Footballguy
only at 8% 10/120 BBs. Need a bit more. I hope Herbert comes back ok though.
joey
Footballguy
What means this?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
he has him on 8% of his best ball teams 10/120 = 8%
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
That is my bad…I quickly glanced and misread, but still feel about the same. I would be surprised if he cracked a 1000 but it is in the realm of possibility. I think McConkey leads the group and I do not think this offense will support two 1000 yard receivers.He didn't say Puka (1,486 & 6 TDs) he said Nico Collins (1,297 & 8 TDs). That also feels a bit lofty but I could see Palmer end up in the 1,100-1,200 range for yards.I guess you can spin anything these days, I just have been terribly impressed when watching him. I do not doubt he will be somewhat productive because him and Herbert have familiarity with each other, however I do not see a world where he sniffs a Puka-like season.x.com
What is everyone's take on Chargers WR situation this year? Is Palmer in for a 1000 yard season just due to being the only guy who has established rapport with Herbert? Do we think McConkey has a legitimate shot to take over as the #1 here and slide into the Keenan Allen role?
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
I've got Palmer and McConkey rostered. Palmer and Herbert have a connection. Everytime I watch Palmer play he makes at least one big play a game, they have a good rapport together.
No reason to think they don't have a connection.
McConkey has the big PPR upside playing out of the slot, but I'm not expecting many touchdowns and early indicators is that he's kind of soft.
People say that Harbaugh will run a lot, but not with those RB and that defense I don't think. I mean, having the best statistical QB in NFL history is like buying a Ferrari and leaving it in the garage so you can drive your Ford Taurus instead.
I expect both to finish Top 35. I got Palmer at 65 / 1,150 / 8TD and McConkey at 85 / 1,150 / 4TD.
I don't have a crystal ball, but that should be ballpark give or take 25% in either direction.
Pretty safe to say both guys will have over 850 - 900 yards barring injury.
Like your take. Thank you. Haven't been able to do research this year like normal.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
For what it's worth, however you want to parse the stats, Jim Harbaugh had a 1,000 yard receiver in every season he coached the 49ers from 2011 - 2014 except 2011:
2011 (Nobody Crabtree lead team w/ 874)
2012 (Crabtree 1,105)
2013 (Boldin 1,179)
2014 (Boldin 1,062)
2013-2014 came with Colin Kaepernick at QB and nobody is going to mistake him for being a pocket passer.
2011 (Nobody Crabtree lead team w/ 874)
2012 (Crabtree 1,105)
2013 (Boldin 1,179)
2014 (Boldin 1,062)
2013-2014 came with Colin Kaepernick at QB and nobody is going to mistake him for being a pocket passer.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Were there weeks last season when he was the Chargers' WR1 due to injuries? Wondering how he did facing opponents' top defenders.
Tau837
Footballguy
Posted this in March. My take hasn't changed.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
I think it's a great write-up, if I was a believer in Quentin Johnston then I would probably view things comparably to you. My only problem is, let's say Palmer is a bad run blocker, right? Who's going to be starting in 2WR sets over him? I know the answer isn't the 185 lb Ladd McConkey. Possibly DJ Chark, but he just saw a significant injury in practice and even if healthy, you are the first person (average Joe or expert) who has claimed that he could possibly steal relevant snaps from Josh Palmer. The only other guys who would be stealing his snaps are some guys named Derius Davis and also Simi Fehoko who I've never heard of in my life.
Chargers' WR Exit Practice with Apparent Significant Injury
Los Angeles Chargers wide receiver DJ Chark left practice early after grabbing his left hip flexor. He came up limping after opening play of 11 on 11 in practic
To me Quentin Johnston did not look like a professional football player last year, maybe he improves in Year 2, I've seen it before but it just looks like a guy who the game is too fast for him. Since you value Quentin's value over what I value it and since you think unnamed player is going to steal Palmer's snaps, as you can imagine, we have vastly different visions as to what Palmer's involvement will be this year. Depth chart on Chargers.com has Quentin listed as WR1 and Palmer as WR2.
However, here's my counterpoint according to Pro Football Focus, they say Quentin Johnston STINKS at run blocking.
"Harbaugh trust in Johnson’s run-blocking skills is concerning for Johnston, whose 228 run-blocking snaps ineffectively led the 2023 wide receiver corps. Among 64 NFL wide receivers to log at least 630 offensive snaps, Johnston’s 52.7 PFF run-blocking grade ranks 40th. The second-year player cannot afford to be taken off the field in run-heavy personnel packages as his access to play-action passing opportunities would also shrink. "
If being a bad run blocker is going to hurt Palmer in your eyes, then that should transitively pass onto your opinion of Quentin Johnston, otherwise it can appear is if you're picking and choosing when you want certain metrics to matter. Especially when comparing two players playing the same position on the same team. I don't have a PFF subscription, so I can't tell you what Josh Palmer's run blocking stats were relative to Quentin, but the assertion would be that Harbaugh has two bad blocking WR as his primary WR1/WR2, which would indicate they are either better than we think at run blocking or that Harbaugh plans on airing it out more than we think. Unless Jim Harbaugh won a National Championship and turned into a doofus overnight.
Do you have any stats to back up that Josh Palmer anecdote? I always viewed him as a physical receiver and think he is at least an average run blocker, but I really don't have any statistics that would lead me one way or the other. You have an opinion, so I'd love to see whatever statistics might exist to suggest he's so bad that Derius Davis or Simi Fehoko would replace him on running downs.
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Timmay
Footballguy
I got him in the 12th round, so he is worth the risk imo in that ADP range for a potential WR1/WR2 on the Chargers. Others WR's that went that round are Juedy, Jameson Williams and Xavier Legette - all of which are in worse situations for targets/snaps than Palmer. Worth the flier.
Tau837
Footballguy
However, here's my counterpoint according to Pro Football Focus, they say Quentin Johnston STINKS at run blocking.
"Harbaugh trust in Johnson’s run-blocking skills is concerning for Johnston, whose 228 run-blocking snaps ineffectively led the 2023 wide receiver corps. Among 64 NFL wide receivers to log at least 630 offensive snaps, Johnston’s 52.7 PFF run-blocking grade ranks 40th. The second-year player cannot afford to be taken off the field in run-heavy personnel packages as his access to play-action passing opportunities would also shrink. "
If being a bad run blocker is going to hurt Palmer in your eyes, then that should transitively pass onto your opinion of Quentin Johnston, otherwise it can appear is if you're picking and choosing when you want certain metrics to matter. Especially when comparing two players playing the same position on the same team. I don't have a PFF subscription, so I can't tell you what Josh Palmer's run blocking stats were relative to Quentin, but the assertion would be that Harbaugh has two bad blocking WR as his primary WR1/WR2, which would indicate they are either better than we think at run blocking or that Harbaugh plans on airing it out more than we think. Unless Jim Harbaugh won a National Championship and turned into a doofus overnight.
Per PFF, here is the run blocking data from 2023 for the non-rookie players currently on the 53 man roster:
- Johnston - 52.7 run blocking grade on 228 run blocking snaps
- Palmer - 51.1 run blocking grade on 155 run blocking snaps
- Chark - 49.5 run blocking grade on 250 run blocking snaps
- Davis - 43.0 run blocking grade on 56 run blocking snaps
- Fehoko - 40.8 run blocking grade on 13 run blocking snaps
None of these guys were graded well at run blocking, but Johnston did get the best grade, and he was also asked to block a lot more than the other WRs on this list except Chark, which is a positive sign. Also worth noting that Johnston was a rookie, whereas Palmer was in his 3rd season and Chark was in his 6th... it seems reasonable to believe Johnston can still improve, whereas Palmer and Chark are closer to finished products as run blockers.
FWIW, Johnston's average PFF run blocking grade in college was about 61.9 on 726 run blocking snaps.
I definitely think the current Chargers coaching staff will emphasize WR run blocking more than the previous staff, so some players will presumably improve based on that emphasis. Johnston vs. Palmer:
- Johnston has been a better run blocker than Palmer
- Johnston is younger, and thus may have more potential to improve
- Johnston is slightly bigger and tested with a higher RAS, both of which could help him in comparison to Palmer
- Johnston was #6 on the Chargers in run blocking snaps in 2023, and all 5 players with more run blocking snaps were OL
- Johnston will be given every chance to succeed by the Chargers this season -- he has a contract that is guaranteed through the 2026 season, and he was a first round pick for good reasons. He might fail, but he will have opportunity.
- This Chargers coaching staff and front office is not tied to Palmer, and he is a UFA after 2024, so it seems most likely that he is not part of the Chargers future beyond 2024. So no reason to really try to make him a focal point.
And, as relates to Palmer, it's not just about Johnston alone. The Chargers had Palmer and Johnston, then drafted 3 WRs and signed Chark. Unless driven by injuries, they are likely to spread a lot of targets around their WR group.
I don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
www.nytimes.com
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
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Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
However, here's my counterpoint according to Pro Football Focus, they say Quentin Johnston STINKS at run blocking.
"Harbaugh trust in Johnson’s run-blocking skills is concerning for Johnston, whose 228 run-blocking snaps ineffectively led the 2023 wide receiver corps. Among 64 NFL wide receivers to log at least 630 offensive snaps, Johnston’s 52.7 PFF run-blocking grade ranks 40th. The second-year player cannot afford to be taken off the field in run-heavy personnel packages as his access to play-action passing opportunities would also shrink. "
If being a bad run blocker is going to hurt Palmer in your eyes, then that should transitively pass onto your opinion of Quentin Johnston, otherwise it can appear is if you're picking and choosing when you want certain metrics to matter. Especially when comparing two players playing the same position on the same team. I don't have a PFF subscription, so I can't tell you what Josh Palmer's run blocking stats were relative to Quentin, but the assertion would be that Harbaugh has two bad blocking WR as his primary WR1/WR2, which would indicate they are either better than we think at run blocking or that Harbaugh plans on airing it out more than we think. Unless Jim Harbaugh won a National Championship and turned into a doofus overnight.
Per PFF, here is the run blocking data from 2023 for the non-rookie players currently on the 53 man roster:
- Johnston - 52.7 run blocking grade on 228 run blocking snaps
- Palmer - 51.1 run blocking grade on 155 run blocking snaps
- Chark - 49.5 run blocking grade on 250 run blocking snaps
- Davis - 43.0 run blocking grade on 56 run blocking snaps
- Fehoko - 40.8 run blocking grade on 13 run blocking snaps
Thanks for the response and for sharing those PFF stats. I don't have the pro subscription, so it definitely provides value when you share. If you're literally a Chargers fan, then I'm going to listen. All that seems reasonable logic wise, appreciate you sharing.
Go Bolts!
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Also a Chargers fan. I've said elsewhere, if I were to draft just one Chargers receiver, it'd be McConkey. Palmer and Chark are JAGs. They're going to spread the passes around this year. I wouldn't want to have to start Palmer on my FF roster very often.
Also, the defense should be pretty good this year.
Also, the defense should be pretty good this year.
However, here's my counterpoint according to Pro Football Focus, they say Quentin Johnston STINKS at run blocking.
"Harbaugh trust in Johnson’s run-blocking skills is concerning for Johnston, whose 228 run-blocking snaps ineffectively led the 2023 wide receiver corps. Among 64 NFL wide receivers to log at least 630 offensive snaps, Johnston’s 52.7 PFF run-blocking grade ranks 40th. The second-year player cannot afford to be taken off the field in run-heavy personnel packages as his access to play-action passing opportunities would also shrink. "
If being a bad run blocker is going to hurt Palmer in your eyes, then that should transitively pass onto your opinion of Quentin Johnston, otherwise it can appear is if you're picking and choosing when you want certain metrics to matter. Especially when comparing two players playing the same position on the same team. I don't have a PFF subscription, so I can't tell you what Josh Palmer's run blocking stats were relative to Quentin, but the assertion would be that Harbaugh has two bad blocking WR as his primary WR1/WR2, which would indicate they are either better than we think at run blocking or that Harbaugh plans on airing it out more than we think. Unless Jim Harbaugh won a National Championship and turned into a doofus overnight.
Per PFF, here is the run blocking data from 2023 for the non-rookie players currently on the 53 man roster:
Really small sample size for Davis and, especially, Fehoko.
- Johnston - 52.7 run blocking grade on 228 run blocking snaps
- Palmer - 51.1 run blocking grade on 155 run blocking snaps
- Chark - 49.5 run blocking grade on 250 run blocking snaps
- Davis - 43.0 run blocking grade on 56 run blocking snaps
- Fehoko - 40.8 run blocking grade on 13 run blocking snaps
None of these guys were graded well at run blocking, but Johnston did get the best grade, and he was also asked to block a lot more than the other WRs on this list except Chark, which is a positive sign. Also worth noting that Johnston was a rookie, whereas Palmer was in his 3rd season and Chark was in his 6th... it seems reasonable to believe Johnston can still improve, whereas Palmer and Chark are closer to finished products as run blockers.
FWIW, Johnston's average PFF run blocking grade in college was about 61.9 on 726 run blocking snaps.
I definitely think the current Chargers coaching staff will emphasize WR run blocking more than the previous staff, so some players will presumably improve based on that emphasis. Johnston vs. Palmer:
Now add to that to the other things I posted previously:
- Johnston has been a better run blocker than Palmer
- Johnston is younger, and thus may have more potential to improve
- Johnston is slightly bigger and tested with a higher RAS, both of which could help him in comparison to Palmer
- Johnston was #6 on the Chargers in run blocking snaps in 2023, and all 5 players with more run blocking snaps were OL
I am a Chargers fan. I've watched every snap Palmer and Johnston have played for the Chargers. Johnston was disappointing last season, but he's not done yet.
- Johnston will be given every chance to succeed by the Chargers this season -- he has a contract that is guaranteed through the 2026 season, and he was a first round pick for good reasons. He might fail, but he will have opportunity.
- This Chargers coaching staff and front office is not tied to Palmer, and he is a UFA after 2024, so it seems most likely that he is not part of the Chargers future beyond 2024. So no reason to really try to make him a focal point.
And, as relates to Palmer, it's not just about Johnston alone. The Chargers had Palmer and Johnston, then drafted 3 WRs and signed Chark. Unless driven by injuries, they are likely to spread a lot of targets around their WR group.
I used to feel much this way, but from what I have heard and read QJ has continued to be very inconsistent. Palmer has been the opposite. Palmer also seems to have received Wr1 treatment in the preseason as well. Like they really didn't need to see more from him.
I don't see Palmer being a Wr1. He can be a solid complementary piece, but with an elite QB throwing to him I think he'll produce fine. If defenses focus on him that will be a problem. I think he'll do much better if one of the other WR step up or if the run game forces the defense to stack the box. I think he's earned Herbert's trust, and that will go a long way.
Tau837
Footballguy
I don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
How has Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh shifted the culture? Mailbag
Also addressed: Which receiver will see the most passing targets after the depatures of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
The premise is to assume full health. In that scenario, I'll take McConkey.
I don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
How has Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh shifted the culture? Mailbag
Also addressed: Which receiver will see the most passing targets after the depatures of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
The premise is to assume full health. In that scenario, I'll take McConkey.
Neither one has proven to be very durable, so both are a gamble. I also think it's worth noting that while this is Palmer's 4th year in the NFL he is only 2 years older than McConkey. Both can still be improving.
Not meI don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
How has Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh shifted the culture? Mailbag
Also addressed: Which receiver will see the most passing targets after the depatures of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
The premise is to assume full health. In that scenario, I'll take McConkey.
Palmer and Herbert had really bad chemistry, especially early on. This is not a Keenan Allen situation.Not meI don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
How has Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh shifted the culture? Mailbag
Also addressed: Which receiver will see the most passing targets after the depatures of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
The premise is to assume full health. In that scenario, I'll take McConkey.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
Based on the handful of Charger games I watched, I'd 100 % agree with thisPalmer and Herbert had really bad chemistry, especially early on. This is not a Keenan Allen situation.Not meI don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
How has Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh shifted the culture? Mailbag
Also addressed: Which receiver will see the most passing targets after the depatures of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
The premise is to assume full health. In that scenario, I'll take McConkey.
Don’t agree at all they had bad chemistry.Palmer and Herbert had really bad chemistry, especially early on. This is not a Keenan Allen situation.Not meI don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
How has Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh shifted the culture? Mailbag
Also addressed: Which receiver will see the most passing targets after the depatures of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
The premise is to assume full health. In that scenario, I'll take McConkey.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
Don’t agree at all they had bad chemistry.Palmer and Herbert had really bad chemistry, especially early on. This is not a Keenan Allen situation.Not meI don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
How has Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh shifted the culture? Mailbag
Also addressed: Which receiver will see the most passing targets after the depatures of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
The premise is to assume full health. In that scenario, I'll take McConkey.
I'm with you. Every time I watch a Chargers game he's making a big play. 143 receptions on 217 targets. 65.89% catch rate when targeted. I'm not going to pretend to know if that's good or bad, but it doesn't seem unusually high or low. I'm not expecting him to be Keenan Allen, but I'll take him as my WR3/FLEX all day.
He played in 10 games last year and put up 7 startable weeks in PPR: 14.60, 10.70, 10.00, 18.30, 21.30, 9.70, 11.00 which means he had 3 bad weeks of: 1.4, 4.3, 5.4. If 70% of the time I'm getting production from Column A and 30% of the time I'm getting production for Column B, well hey, that sounds great to me. 4 single digit games last year.
Seems like a mid floor, high ceiling guy. I'm not expecting much more out of him than my WR3 / FLEX guy. He had 3 bad weeks 1.4, 4.3, 5.4, but had 2 amazing weeks 18.30, 21.30. I'd say he was a valuable player to own last year. PPG only 9.7, but maybe with more targets that can be resolved. His two worst weeks were Week 1 and Week 2 when he was buried behind Allen and Williams on the depth chart, so realistically he's probably an 11 - 13 ppg guy or had potential to be last year had he been more involved earlier on.
I know there's a lot of detractors, but I think we're hot to trot here.
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It was waaay better last year but I started a sophomore Palmer when Williams got hurt and it was ugly.Don’t agree at all they had bad chemistry.Palmer and Herbert had really bad chemistry, especially early on. This is not a Keenan Allen situation.Not meI don't always agree with Popper, but I do here:
How has Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh shifted the culture? Mailbag
Also addressed: Which receiver will see the most passing targets after the depatures of Keenan Allen and Mike Williams?
Which wide sees the most targets this season, assuming 100 percent health? — @lafcdaniel
If all the receivers stay healthy, I think receiver Joshua Palmer will lead the team in targets. He is the returning player with the most targets, receptions, yards and touchdowns from Herbert. Palmer is the fourth-most targeted receiver in Herbert’s career, behind only Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler.
Herbert, like all quarterbacks, likes to throw to players he trusts. Palmer has earned that trust over his first three years in the league. I think the trust factor will be particularly important in the early stages of 2024 after Herbert missed three weeks of training camp with his plantar fascia injury. On a field full of new faces, Palmer is the player with an established rapport with Herbert. That matters in the context of Herbert sitting out most of August while the Chargers were finishing installing a new offense under Greg Roman.
The one hangup, of course, is that you cannot assume Palmer will stay healthy. He missed six games last season with a knee injury that landed him on injured reserve. He battled an ankle injury in 2022 and also suffered two concussions that season — one in the preseason and one in October.
In a fully healthy world, though, the only receiver I see competing with Palmer for the top target spot is rookie Ladd McConkey. Herbert and McConkey are still in the early stages of their relationship. But I could see McConkey emerging as Herbert’s favorite target on third downs because of his route-running, ability to beat man average and keen sense of leverages.
The premise is to assume full health. In that scenario, I'll take McConkey.
Dudes got talent though and was always going to be a late- bloomer.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve had a ton of Herbert and Ekeler over the years and have seen way more bad plays than promising ones from Palmer.
TheWinz
Footballguy
I hear ya. He's a guy that will have a 12 year career full of 45/550/3 seasons.
Timmay
Footballguy
I like vanilla ice cream with no toppings especially when it is my 13th or 14th option (ADP).
Boston
Footballguy
Vanilla
Vanilla VibesClassic and versatile vanilla tops the list of state favorites, coming in tops in 21 states, from Alaska to Georgia. Whether it's in a sundae, with pie, or just on its own, vanilla's creamy goodness is a total winner accounting for 30% of all ice cream purchases in the U.S.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
but..but,,but,,the toppings
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Josh Palmer is a no-toppings WR...it's all about expectations,
You don't need toppings on vanilla ice cream when it's served with apple pie.
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