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WR Julio Jones, Retired (1 Viewer)

Falcons saying they have an offer of a 1st round pick for Jones on the table right now.  If so, they should jump on that. 

Here's the current Vegas odds for landing spot.  However, a recent report today said the Titans are a long shot, so that might drop them.  Pats seem to be pretty likely.... would Bill really give up a 1st for him?

Patriots -105
Titans +275
Ravens +300
Dolphins +800
49ers +900
Packers +1000
Colts +1000
Cowboys +1200
Chargers +1400
Raiders +1800
Giants +2000
Bills +2000
Eagles +2200

 
Falcons saying they have an offer of a 1st round pick for Jones on the table right now.  If so, they should jump on that. 

Here's the current Vegas odds for landing spot.  However, a recent report today said the Titans are a long shot, so that might drop them.  Pats seem to be pretty likely.... would Bill really give up a 1st for him?

Patriots -105
Titans +275
Ravens +300
Dolphins +800
49ers +900
Packers +1000
Colts +1000
Cowboys +1200
Chargers +1400
Raiders +1800
Giants +2000
Bills +2000
Eagles +2200
I heard the offer was for a future first round pick . . . which would mean 2023 at the earliest. 

 
I now see a report of a 2022 first round pick, which I have a hard time believing. They have been trying to move Jones for 3 months. If there is a first on the table, who knows what else would be involved (ie if there would be anything going with Jones back to the other team). Not sure what the Falcons are waiting for if that is a legit offer. Maybe the team offering the trade can’t fit him under the cap? Maybe that team is demanding ATL pays half his 2021 salary. Not knowing what the team and the offer is, really hard to tell how good an offer is. 

 
Forgot to mention that ATL apparently has only $300K in cap space and thus hasn’t been able to sign their main rookies because of that. Since they have so little cap space, without freeing up more cap room, they couldn’t pay any of Jones’ salary in a trade because that amount would be applied to this year’s Falcons salary cap total (and that would put them over the cap).

 
Falcons saying they have an offer of a 1st round pick for Jones on the table right now.  If so, they should jump on that. 

Here's the current Vegas odds for landing spot.  However, a recent report today said the Titans are a long shot, so that might drop them.  Pats seem to be pretty likely.... would Bill really give up a 1st for him?

Patriots -105
Titans +275
Ravens +300
Dolphins +800
49ers +900
Packers +1000
Colts +1000
Cowboys +1200
Chargers +1400
Raiders +1800
Giants +2000
Bills +2000
Eagles +2200
Even at his age, it's better than spending a first in N'Keal Harry again.

 
Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer said the Chiefs' looming salary cap issues could prevent the team from acquiring Julio Jones in a trade. 

Kansas City general manager Brett Veach could supercharge the already loaded Chiefs offense with a trade for Julio Jones, who is as good as gone from Atlanta. Julio could be available for a second round draft pick, according to those familiar with the Falcons thinking on a trade scenario. However, Breer said KC's coming salary cap issues could stand in the way of acquiring Julio as their No. 3 pass catcher this season. Patrick Mahomes' cap hit jumps to $35.79 million in 2022 and Tyreek Hill's cap number will reach $20.50 million by next season. Travis Kelce's cap number goes from a team-friendly $8.9 million in 2022 to $14.65 million in 2023 (his age-34 season). Frank Clark, Chris Jones, and Joe Thuney also eat up an outsized portion of the team's salary cap starting in 2022. The Chiefs are not one of the nine NFL teams can absorb Julio's $15.3 million 2021 salary without moving money around. 

RELATED: 

Patrick Mahomes

, Tyreek Hill

, Travis Kelce

, Kansas City Chiefs

SOURCE: SI.com 

May 28, 2021, 9:11 AM ET

 
Falcons saying they have an offer of a 1st round pick for Jones on the table right now.  If so, they should jump on that. 

Here's the current Vegas odds for landing spot.  However, a recent report today said the Titans are a long shot, so that might drop them.  Pats seem to be pretty likely.... would Bill really give up a 1st for him?

Patriots -105
Titans +275
Ravens +300
Dolphins +800
49ers +900
Packers +1000
Colts +1000
Cowboys +1200
Chargers +1400
Raiders +1800
Giants +2000
Bills +2000
Eagles +2200
Glad the Browns are not even on there.

They gotta sign Baker, Ward, and Chubb soon.  Pretty sure they dont want to lose one just to sign Julio, let along give up a 1st.

Zero chance.

 
And he also gave a second for Sanu. This is what you got to do when you can't draft WR's.
For starters, TB12 asked for Sanu and BB went out and got him. Then he got hurt and had no speed or separation after. That all happened after AB and Flash Gordon didn't work out. Granted, all those guys were brought in and not drafted.

That being said, BB gave a detailed explanation about not drafting WRs and/or not hitting on receivers in the draft in an interview recently. He explained that no college team comes close to the system NE runs and the demands they place on receivers. Essentially, each play is nothing but hot reads and guys need to instinctively be able to adjust multiple times while a play is developing to end up in the right spot. Because their offense is so complicated, BB said it really is next to impossible to figure out which college players will "get it" and fit in and which ones wont . . . which is why they prefer to pick up established receivers instead of drafting them. BB indicated they cared more about brains in a WR than speed, hands, size, etc.

Of course, some folks may say that is a cop out answer to cover up for poor drafting, but to an extent I think Bill is being open and forthright about trying to find a receiver. The best receiver they've drafted in his time with NE has been Edelman . . . a converted QB.

Their offensive system was developed in conjunction with Randy Moss when he came to the team, and the playbook expanded by like 5X-6X with all the stuff he got them to put together. That's part of the reason Moss and Brady did so well, as they both had the knowledge and understanding to make things work (and Welker got it too).

Having followed the team for years, I openly wonder if the offense has gotten too complex and if they would be better off either dumbing down the playbook for some receivers or only giving them a small fraction of the playbook and run those plays when they come into the game.

IMO, that's part of the issue with Cam playing QB after Brady. TB12 had everything down to a science and started getting angry that NE could not find guys to understand the offense. AB came in and the two clicked and Brady wanted him to stick around in the worst way and the team opted to cut him. I am not sure Newton can process everything to begin with, let alone have to make multiple reads in a matter of seconds. That's why ultimately I think NE will end up playing Jones (timeline TBD), as he is said to have a brain to handle a PhD level playbook.

 
PFT's Mike Florio reports the Titans have emerged as the favorites to trade for Julio Jones.

The "current expectation" is the Falcons will trade Jones to the Titans for a second-round pick. This conflicts with previous reports — ESPN reported the Falcons have a first-round offer for Jones and the Titans are a "longshot" to land him. With Atlanta facing cap pressure, it's possible they'll have to settle for less than a Day 1 pick for Jones if they don't contribute to his salary. The Patriots, who have had internal talks about Jones, also remain in play as a landing spot.

RELATED: 

Tennessee Titans

SOURCE: ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com

May 30, 2021, 11:56 AM ET

 
Anarchy99 said:
For starters, TB12 asked for Sanu and BB went out and got him. Then he got hurt and had no speed or separation after. That all happened after AB and Flash Gordon didn't work out. Granted, all those guys were brought in and not drafted.

That being said, BB gave a detailed explanation about not drafting WRs and/or not hitting on receivers in the draft in an interview recently. He explained that no college team comes close to the system NE runs and the demands they place on receivers. Essentially, each play is nothing but hot reads and guys need to instinctively be able to adjust multiple times while a play is developing to end up in the right spot. Because their offense is so complicated, BB said it really is next to impossible to figure out which college players will "get it" and fit in and which ones wont . . . which is why they prefer to pick up established receivers instead of drafting them. BB indicated they cared more about brains in a WR than speed, hands, size, etc.

Of course, some folks may say that is a cop out answer to cover up for poor drafting, but to an extent I think Bill is being open and forthright about trying to find a receiver. The best receiver they've drafted in his time with NE has been Edelman . . . a converted QB.

Their offensive system was developed in conjunction with Randy Moss when he came to the team, and the playbook expanded by like 5X-6X with all the stuff he got them to put together. That's part of the reason Moss and Brady did so well, as they both had the knowledge and understanding to make things work (and Welker got it too).

Having followed the team for years, I openly wonder if the offense has gotten too complex and if they would be better off either dumbing down the playbook for some receivers or only giving them a small fraction of the playbook and run those plays when they come into the game.

IMO, that's part of the issue with Cam playing QB after Brady. TB12 had everything down to a science and started getting angry that NE could not find guys to understand the offense. AB came in and the two clicked and Brady wanted him to stick around in the worst way and the team opted to cut him. I am not sure Newton can process everything to begin with, let alone have to make multiple reads in a matter of seconds. That's why ultimately I think NE will end up playing Jones (timeline TBD), as he is said to have a brain to handle a PhD level playbook.
This is an excellent post. Should be required reading. Insight into BB and NE I'd never seen/read before.

 
This is all over the map today:

@diannaESPN

The Falcons continue to field calls from teams interested in trading for Julio Jones. The Seahawks have had discussions about a possible trade with Atlanta, per sources. In fact, QB Russell Wilson & Julio Jones have spoken to discuss the possibility of playing together.

@JFowlerESPN

Asking around league on Julio Jones, teams are watching 49ers closely, though uncertain how far they'd go after giving up 1s for Trey Lance. Ravens would be willing to get involved at right price. High demand plus $15M salary a hurdle. Teams could ask ATL to cover some cost.

 
Anarchy99 said:
For starters, TB12 asked for Sanu and BB went out and got him. Then he got hurt and had no speed or separation after. That all happened after AB and Flash Gordon didn't work out. Granted, all those guys were brought in and not drafted.

That being said, BB gave a detailed explanation about not drafting WRs and/or not hitting on receivers in the draft in an interview recently. He explained that no college team comes close to the system NE runs and the demands they place on receivers. Essentially, each play is nothing but hot reads and guys need to instinctively be able to adjust multiple times while a play is developing to end up in the right spot. Because their offense is so complicated, BB said it really is next to impossible to figure out which college players will "get it" and fit in and which ones wont . . . which is why they prefer to pick up established receivers instead of drafting them. BB indicated they cared more about brains in a WR than speed, hands, size, etc.

Of course, some folks may say that is a cop out answer to cover up for poor drafting, but to an extent I think Bill is being open and forthright about trying to find a receiver. The best receiver they've drafted in his time with NE has been Edelman . . . a converted QB.

Their offensive system was developed in conjunction with Randy Moss when he came to the team, and the playbook expanded by like 5X-6X with all the stuff he got them to put together. That's part of the reason Moss and Brady did so well, as they both had the knowledge and understanding to make things work (and Welker got it too).

Having followed the team for years, I openly wonder if the offense has gotten too complex and if they would be better off either dumbing down the playbook for some receivers or only giving them a small fraction of the playbook and run those plays when they come into the game.

IMO, that's part of the issue with Cam playing QB after Brady. TB12 had everything down to a science and started getting angry that NE could not find guys to understand the offense. AB came in and the two clicked and Brady wanted him to stick around in the worst way and the team opted to cut him. I am not sure Newton can process everything to begin with, let alone have to make multiple reads in a matter of seconds. That's why ultimately I think NE will end up playing Jones (timeline TBD), as he is said to have a brain to handle a PhD level playbook.
Think this is Bill just trolling some reporters or making excuses for himself. I mean, good wrs have done well there and poor ones haven't. It looks like an intellectual exercise to somehow prove that 1+1=3.

Now if Harry and a few others leave the pats and have multiple all pro seasons on another team maybe I'll believe there's something to this. 

 
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It costs pennies to buy Kendrick Bourne right now. He got a decent contract from the Pat's. For pennies, I'm willing to speculate Bill did his due diligence, and Bourne has what he's looking for, and that either Cam steps up in yr 2, or Mac has the necessary IQ. I paid next to nothing when I acquired Welker and Edelman in the past, and reaped a fat profit, I'd gladly take another shot and risk losing pennies if it doesn't work out.

 
Think this is Bill just trolling some reporters or making excuses for himself. I mean, good wrs have done well there and poor ones haven't. It looks like an intellectual exercise to somehow prove that 1+1=3.

Now if Harry and a few others leave the pats and have multiple all pro seasons on another team maybe I'll believe there's something to this. 
Bill's explanation is pretty much what many have assumed for years... Not sure why you're so skeptical.

 
Bill's explanation is pretty much what many have assumed for years... Not sure why you're so skeptical.
Because it's garbage. None of the wrs have failed in NE because it's too complex and went on and been great somewhere else in a different system. They've just drafted bad football players. Maybe Belichick makes mistakes GASP!! Oh no, can't admit that. I mean I remember the Falcons gm saying he talked to the hoodie about drafting Julio Jones and Bill told him why pick him early when you can get the same wr late, which was Jonathon Baldwin. 

The very obvious conclusion is that as great as Belichick is, he can't scout wrs. I can't believe anybody would believe any different.

 
Because it's garbage. None of the wrs have failed in NE because it's too complex and went on and been great somewhere else in a different system. They've just drafted bad football players. Maybe Belichick makes mistakes GASP!! Oh no, can't admit that. I mean I remember the Falcons gm saying he talked to the hoodie about drafting Julio Jones and Bill told him why pick him early when you can get the same wr late, which was Jonathon Baldwin. 

The very obvious conclusion is that as great as Belichick is, he can't scout wrs. I can't believe anybody would believe any different.
Oh, I get it... just a hater.  So much for a rational discussion.

 
Because it's garbage. None of the wrs have failed in NE because it's too complex and went on and been great somewhere else in a different system. They've just drafted bad football players. Maybe Belichick makes mistakes GASP!! Oh no, can't admit that. I mean I remember the Falcons gm saying he talked to the hoodie about drafting Julio Jones and Bill told him why pick him early when you can get the same wr late, which was Jonathon Baldwin. 

The very obvious conclusion is that as great as Belichick is, he can't scout wrs. I can't believe anybody would believe any different.
They also haven't drafted very many WRs. Only two WRs in the first 3 rounds in the past 10 years. I also don't think you are saying anything that Belichick hasn't admitted. It is similar to how he views CBs, he would rather pay or trade for proven players than draft and develop in house. It is a strategy that has worked for him for a long time and I think a big part of the situation they are in is a result of BB deviating from that strategy to give Brady weapons in what they considered a closing window. The firsts spent on Harry and Michel were designed to take some of the pressure off Brady. It just backfired because both players didn't return on the pick.

 
FMIA: Roger Goodell’s Successor And 8 Issues Facing NFL In Near Future

Excerpt:

Let’s take a moment to address Julio Jones, another player who has asked to be traded. The Falcons are entertaining offers for the 32-year-old receiver, who has $38-million coming over the next three seasons, mostly for salary-cap reasons, and could trade him as early as Wednesday, when teams are allowed to divide a departing player’s cap hit between 2021 and ’22. Three things about this story:

• The Falcons are pushing hard to pay nothing of his future compensation, while inquiring teams want some relief on a player entering his 11th year who might be starting to break down. Can the Falcons’ rookie GM, Terry Fontenot, stay firm on that?

• ESPN reported last week the Falcons have been offered a first-round pick for Jones. I’m skeptical of that, but we’ll see. “If Atlanta had that offer,” one GM with interest in Jones told me last week, “they’d have made the deal and just said we’ll announce it next week.” It could be that the Falcons may end up with a first-round pick in a future draft beyond 2022, but I believe they have not been offered that yet.

• I was told a while ago by a source I trust that the Falcons would accept a hard second-round pick in 2022 (no condition on Jones’ playing time) with no responsibility to pay Jones any of the $38 million he has coming. That seems like the most logical outcome, and my guess is a hard second-rounder is already on the table from some team. Pro Football Talk reported Sunday that people around the league feel Tennessee is the most likely candidate to get Jones, and I could see that. The Titans would have to move money around this year, but they’re in good shape to handle Jones’ contract in 2022 and ’23.

 
UPDATED ODDS:

  1. New England Patriots+450
  2. Los Angeles Rams+500
  3. Tennessee Titans+500
  4. Atlanta Falcons+600
  5. Jacksonville Jaguars+900
  6. Los Angeles Chargers+900
  7. San Francisco 49ers+900
  8. Indianapolis Colts+1000
  9. Baltimore Ravens+1000

     
 
UPDATED ODDS:

  1. New England Patriots+450
  2. Los Angeles Rams+500
  3. Tennessee Titans+500
  4. Atlanta Falcons+600
  5. Jacksonville Jaguars+900
  6. Los Angeles Chargers+900
  7. San Francisco 49ers+900
  8. Indianapolis Colts+1000
  9. Baltimore Ravens+1000

     
Rams came out of nowhere and bolted up to #2.  Interesting.  Seems like a great landing spot for all parties involved, and Rams love giving away draft picks.

 
Rams came out of nowhere and bolted up to #2.  Interesting.  Seems like a great landing spot for all parties involved, and Rams love giving away draft picks.
They sure seem to be going all in every year. Between the defense pickups and Stafford, it's fun to see a team go this route. Julio would help there sure, but it also seems like a luxury pick up. Their offense should be among the best this year even without Julio. 

 
Titans makes a lot of sense but need to free up around $12.1M in cap space - they've got $15.6M sitting on the table via restructuring Tannehill's base. They don't need the QBs permission to do so and he wouldn't get any less money so can't imagine him objecting.

 

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