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WR Julio Jones, Retired (3 Viewers)

Julio Jones informed the Falcons he will not attend mandatory minicamp.

The Falcons previously told reporters they thought Jones would attend, but he was a no-show as players filed in on Monday. "We have been in contact with Julio and his representation," the Falcons said in a statement. "We will not discuss those conversations publicly except to say we feel they have been productive and constructive. We understand the concerns and thoughts from their perspective. Although not ideal, Julio informed us today he would not be attending mini-camp." This officially makes Julio a holdout. Jones is currently the NFL's eighth-highest-paid wide receiver.

Source: atlantafalcons.com

Jun 11 - 5:07 PM
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The Athletic's Jeff Schultz reports the Falcons have informed Julio Jones he will not receive a new contract this year.

Jones skipped OTAs and minicamp to show displeasure with his contract, which makes him the league's eighth-highest-paid receiver behind Sammy Watkins, Jarvis Landry, and Davante Adams, among others. The Falcons told Jones they had "not budgeted" for Jones to receive a raise, and are hopeful he will report to training camp on time. Jones would put himself at risk of daily fines by skipping practices. LT Jake Matthews, FS Ricardo Allen, and DT Grady Jarrett are all considered higher-priority extension candidates; Julio is signed through 2020. The Falcons open training camp on July 27.

Source: The Athletic 

Jul 18 - 11:01 PM
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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Julio Jones will not report for training camp.

Jones skipped OTAs and minicamp to show his displeasure with his deal, but the Falcons reportedly informed him he will not get a new contract this year. Tom Pelissero reports Atlanta did promise to look at his contract after the season, but that clearly was not enough to appease the star receiver. Ian Rapoport added Jones "is comfortable sitting out the entire time" if Atlanta does not fix his deal. Even if he ends up skipping all of camp, Jones will still be an elite fantasy option worthy of a first-round pick.

Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter 

Jul 24 - 8:35 AM
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Chaka said:
He wasn't an elite fantasy option worthy of a first round pick before the holdout.
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His average stat-line over the last four seasons:

102-1,579-5.75

At worst he's an early second round pick - last season's 3 TDs see abnormally low (although he's not a big TD guy generally)

 
Dr. Octopus said:
His average stat-line over the last four seasons:

102-1,579-5.75

At worst he's an early second round pick - last season's 3 TDs see abnormally low (although he's not a big TD guy generally)
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He's allergic to the end zone, has been for almost his entire career.

He is constantly battling ankle, foot, shoulder etc. injuries. His offensive coordinator doesn't inspire confidence either. And he's holding out.

He is definitely one of the very few guys who can go off for 250+ yards and three TDs any given week but I prefer to let him be someone else's headache.

 
Chaka said:
He's allergic to the end zone, has been for almost his entire career.

He is constantly battling ankle, foot, shoulder etc. injuries. His offensive coordinator doesn't inspire confidence either. And he's holding out.

He is definitely one of the very few guys who can go off for 250+ yards and three TDs any given week but I prefer to let him be someone else's headache.
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You specifically said before the holdout.

Why are you concerned about the injuries he's "constantly battling" - once again: His average stat-line over the last four seasons: 102-1,579-5.75. Imagine what he would do if he was healthy!

He does not score as many TDs as the other top WRs but saying he's "allergic to the end zone" is misleading since he's scored at least 8 TDs is 3 out of his 7 seasons and scored 6 in 2 others. Last year looks like the outlier.

Most WRs are "boom/bust" types and studies show that those types are every bit as valuable as "steady eddy" types when it comes to HtH fantasy leagues.

I could see him dropping to round 2 this season but I think it's pretty harsh to say he "wasn't an elite fantasy option worthy of a first round pick before the holdout."

 
If Julio could play to his averages with a smaller week to week deviation it'd be great. But that's not what happens. His weekly totals swing wildly.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
You specifically said before the holdout.

Why are you concerned about the injuries he's "constantly battling" - once again: His average stat-line over the last four seasons: 102-1,579-5.75. Imagine what he would do if he was healthy!

He does not score as many TDs as the other top WRs but saying he's "allergic to the end zone" is misleading since he's scored at least 8 TDs is 3 out of his 7 seasons and scored 6 in 2 others. Last year looks like the outlier.

Most WRs are "boom/bust" types and studies show that those types are every bit as valuable as "steady eddy" types when it comes to HtH fantasy leagues.

I could see him dropping to round 2 this season but I think it's pretty harsh to say he "wasn't an elite fantasy option worthy of a first round pick before the holdout."
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Yes I did.  Then again he is holding out so it seems relevant to evaluating him, unless we are drafting for last year or course.

I love Julio as an NFL WR, I am not sure there is a more physically gifted WR in the league, but I am not a fan as a fantasy player.

I worry about his nagging injuries for the same reason the Franklin mint doesn't guarantee future returns base upon past results.  And there is also the notion that no one likes seeing their guy on the darn injury report every single week.

Last year may have been a TD outlier, then again for whatever reason he has never held TD upside.  It truly boggles the imagination that a guy like him has only one double digit TD season and that was only 10.  Where is his monster 16 TD season? Is it more likely to come now with, seemingly, a lesser OC and the addition of another (also seemingly) talented WR?  Maybe, I guess.  He certainly checks all the physical attribute boxes.  But I personally will no longer value him on upside.  After seven seasons I have to say that he is what we have seen;  a solid, if uninspiring, mid #1 WR.  

He wasn't a first round value last year, and I don't see him as a first round value this year.  That's all.

 


Let me get this straight. Was Julio not aware of how many years the contract was for when he signed it??? Oh wait, he wanted security of multiple years but wants it renegotiated when it suits HIM. I hope the dope sits out all year, so stupid.

 
irish eyes said:
Let me get this straight. Was Julio not aware of how many years the contract was for when he signed it??? Oh wait, he wanted security of multiple years but wants it renegotiated when it suits HIM. I hope the dope sits out all year, so stupid.
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I'm sure you're perfectly fine with NFL teams cutting players with multiple years left on their contracts.

 
1) As a Falcon fan.  I’d prefer him to be in camp.

2) Haven’t the last few years taught us that elite players who hold out of training camp (or do not participate) are no worse for wear - and neither are their teams once the season starts?  Recent examples include Aaron Donald, Le’Veon Bell, Joey Bosa, Kam Chancellor and Darrelle Revis (2010).

If he shows around preseason game 4, this’ll be forgotten by Labor Day.

 
nirad3 said:
I'm not.  A contract is a contract.  Julio should honor his.
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As soon as the NFL starts offering fully guaranteed contracts and allows compensation to be directly tied to the salary cap I will support your position.  Until then good for Julio.

 
Julio Jones and the Falcons have agreed on a contract adjustment, ensuring Jones will report to training camp on time.

There will be no holdout. Jones had fallen to the bottom of the ten highest-paid wide receivers after three seasons into his latest deal, and got his desired raise after finishing second in the NFL in receiving yards. Julio has incredibly topped 1,400 yards in four straight years. Behind Antonio Brown, he is squarely in the mix to be this year's No. 2-drafted wideout along with Odell Beckham and DeAndre Hopkins. The entire Falcons offense is primed for positive TD regression.

Jul 26 - 12:34 AM
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nirad3 said:
I'm not.  A contract is a contract.  Julio should honor his.
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Tell that that to the 147,323,293,289,311 NFL players whose contracts have not been honored by their respective NFL teams when the flip side of the argument was used by those teams.

Sorry brother...but this is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this board.  In the NFL, a contract is NOT a contract.  EVER.  In NFL terms a "contract" represents nothing more than a hypocrisy driven by convenience.

Julio did what every NFL player should do in his spot, until the time comes when NFL owners quit being cheap bastards and start guaranteeing contracts.  The second you outperform your contact every NFL player should seriously consider holding out.....especially when you are as important to your respective team as Julio is to his.  

 
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Haven't heard any actual numbers or details on his new deal. Can anyone shed light on it? Does this mean he is more likely to retire early? Or that the possibility is stronger now?

 
barackdhouse said:
Haven't heard any actual numbers or details on his new deal. Can anyone shed light on it? Does this mean he is more likely to retire early? Or that the possibility is stronger now?
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JUL 26 2018 Converted $1M of 2018 salary & $2M of 2019 salary into bonus, with no cap affect

 
Ace08 said:
Tell that that to the 147,323,293,289,311 NFL players whose contracts have not been honored by their respective NFL teams when the flip side of the argument was used by those teams. 
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If the NFL teams have not been honoring NFL contracts then that is a matter for the courts.

If Kirk Cousins lays a complete egg in MIN this season(doubtful but possible) will they not honor his contract and stop paying him?

 
BoltBacker said:
If the NFL teams have not been honoring NFL contracts then that is a matter for the courts.

If Kirk Cousins lays a complete egg in MIN this season(doubtful but possible) will they not honor his contract and stop paying him?
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You know what he means. The owners have the option of cutting bait on any player or contract at any time they see fit. Dez agreed to a 5 year $70 mill deal in 2015. He got $45 and is now unemployed.  David Wilson suffered a catastrophic neck injury while working and it cost him $1.3 million because he couldn’t play anymore. Maclin signed a 5 year $55 million deal and 2 years later he was released missing out on $30 million dollars. In the NFL a long term contract isn’t a long term contract. Everything is always re-negotiable.

 
Faust said:
Three-touchdown season has Julio Jones seeing red inside the 20
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I know there are a lot of opinions out there. But has anyone really knowledgeable and respected in the Xs and Os ever broken down Julio Jones ability/inability inside the 10? In other words, do the experts among 'experts' think its (a) something endemic in Jones' abilities, (b) something amiss with the Falcons' offensive scheme/playcalling, (c) something to do with passes Matt Ryan isn't comfortable with or can't make, or (d) something else altogether?

Would Julio Jones better in the red zone (esp goal-to-go situations) on a team like New Orleans or Green Bay, or with prime Peyton Manning with the Colts? Something like that?

 
Doug B said:
I know there are a lot of opinions out there. But has anyone really knowledgeable and respected in the Xs and Os ever broken down Julio Jones ability/inability inside the 10? In other words, do the experts among 'experts' think its (a) something endemic in Jones' abilities, (b) something amiss with the Falcons' offensive scheme/playcalling, (c) something to do with passes Matt Ryan isn't comfortable with or can't make, or (d) something else altogether?

Would Julio Jones better in the red zone (esp goal-to-go situations) on a team like New Orleans or Green Bay, or with prime Peyton Manning with the Colts? Something like that?
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Sarkisian's play calling in the red zone has been horrible

 
Chaka said:
Julio has always sucked (for whatever reason) in goal line situations.
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This could well be ... what does this mean, specifically?

What does Jones not do that better goal-line WRs do do? Is he a terrible blocker, and thus a run-pass tell to the defense? Seems to me it's hard to be a high-yardage NFL receiver without some ability to fight for balls ... but still: is Jones to easy to cover in close quarters because of a lack of "aggression" when the ball's in the air? Is he bad at using his body to shield off defenders?

From a coaching, film-review standpoint, what are we looking at?

 
Doug B said:
This could well be ... what does this mean, specifically?

What does Jones not do that better goal-line WRs do do? Is he a terrible blocker, and thus a run-pass tell to the defense? Seems to me it's hard to be a high-yardage NFL receiver without some ability to fight for balls ... but still: is Jones to easy to cover in close quarters because of a lack of "aggression" when the ball's in the air? Is he bad at using his body to shield off defenders?

From a coaching, film-review standpoint, what are we looking at?
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The Chewbacca Defense.

It just doesn't make sense.

 
Doug B said:
This could well be ... what does this mean, specifically?

What does Jones not do that better goal-line WRs do do? Is he a terrible blocker, and thus a run-pass tell to the defense? Seems to me it's hard to be a high-yardage NFL receiver without some ability to fight for balls ... but still: is Jones to easy to cover in close quarters because of a lack of "aggression" when the ball's in the air? Is he bad at using his body to shield off defenders?

From a coaching, film-review standpoint, what are we looking at?
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I think it's a combination of 3 things:

1) Generally Freeman and Coleman are good runners near the goalline, so ATL likes to run the ball near the goalline. 

2) Jones a lot of time isn't in the game when the ball is inside the 5, except for obvious 3rd and goal situations.  Makes is easier to double team Jones.

3) Ryan, from what I can see, isn't a good "fade" passer.....like Tom Brady is.  Sure it helps to have Gronk be almost uncoverable down there, but Brady always throws it to where only Gronk can get it. 

 
Waldman didn't seem to like his technique on the final play of the game last night. I would love to see some type of analysis on this because it really doesn't make sense. 

 
Doug B said:
This could well be ... what does this mean, specifically?

What does Jones not do that better goal-line WRs do do? Is he a terrible blocker, and thus a run-pass tell to the defense? Seems to me it's hard to be a high-yardage NFL receiver without some ability to fight for balls ... but still: is Jones to easy to cover in close quarters because of a lack of "aggression" when the ball's in the air? Is he bad at using his body to shield off defenders?

From a coaching, film-review standpoint, what are we looking at?
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Well for one thing, each of Atlanta's last two games have ended with Julio unable to beat single coverage from inside the 5 yard line and make a play on a catchable ball.

Despite his size it doesn't seem like he's ever really been great at contested catches, but that is purely off memory and I don't have any data on it.

 
fightingillini said:
3) Ryan, from what I can see, isn't a good "fade" passer.....like Tom Brady is.  Sure it helps to have Gronk be almost uncoverable down there, but Brady always throws it to where only Gronk can get it. 
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Both of the passes that ended the last two games were fine, Julio just didn't make the play.  And let's not forget that Brady's fade in OT of their last Super Bowl win should have been an easy pick.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Both of the passes that ended the last two games were fine, Julio just didn't make the play.  And let's not forget that Brady's fade in OT of their last Super Bowl win should have been an easy pick.
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that pass last night was terrible, what are you watching?

 
TD % on targets thrown from inside the 5 yard line since Julio entered the league in 2011.  List includes the top 15 in targets over that span.

Dez Bryant: 49%
Demaryius Thomas: 34%
Jordy Nelson: 51%
Brandon Marshall: 38%
Eric Decker: 48%
Calvin Johnson: 48%
Antonio Brown: 40%
Julio Jones: 24%
Larry Fitzgerald: 36%
AJ Green: 33%
Michael Crabtree: 56% 
Roddy White: 50%
Emmanuel Sanders: 52% 
Randall Cobb: 70% (not a typo!)
Pierre Garcon: 33%

So not only is he easily last on that list of the 15 guys with the most targets inside the 5, perhaps more noteworthy is that Roddy White was pretty good at it with the same QB, which goes a long way towards ruling out Matt Ryan as being the problem.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
Both of the passes that ended the last two games were fine, Julio just didn't make the play.  And let's not forget that Brady's fade in OT of their last Super Bowl win should have been an easy pick.
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Last night, Ryan threw that ball out of bounds.  Not sure what you expected Julio to do there. 

 
On that disputed catch, Julio burned the CB on a double move, the safety already fell down, and Julio had at least 2 steps on the CB.  Most of the time that would lead to a 70 yard TD.  But Matt Ryan blew the throw.  We can dispute the catch all we want, but Julio should have been walking into the endzone with a 70 yard TD.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
TD % on targets thrown from inside the 5 yard line since Julio entered the league in 2011.  List includes the top 15 in targets over that span.

Dez Bryant: 49%
Demaryius Thomas: 34%
Jordy Nelson: 51%
Brandon Marshall: 38%
Eric Decker: 48%
Calvin Johnson: 48%
Antonio Brown: 40%
Julio Jones: 24%
Larry Fitzgerald: 36%
AJ Green: 33%
Michael Crabtree: 56% 
Roddy White: 50%
Emmanuel Sanders: 52% 
Randall Cobb: 70% (not a typo!)
Pierre Garcon: 33%

So not only is he easily last on that list of the 15 guys with the most targets inside the 5, perhaps more noteworthy is that Roddy White was pretty good at it with the same QB, which goes a long way towards ruling out Matt Ryan as being the problem.
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The even more incredible stat on this (according to STATS Inc.) is that of the last 21 throws that Matt Ryan has targeted Julio Jones in the end zone, they've only connected on one of them.   

 
FreeBaGeL said:
TD % on targets thrown from inside the 5 yard line since Julio entered the league in 2011.  List includes the top 15 in targets over that span.

Dez Bryant: 49%
Demaryius Thomas: 34%
Jordy Nelson: 51%
Brandon Marshall: 38%
Eric Decker: 48%
Calvin Johnson: 48%
Antonio Brown: 40%
Julio Jones: 24%
Larry Fitzgerald: 36%
AJ Green: 33%
Michael Crabtree: 56% 
Roddy White: 50%
Emmanuel Sanders: 52% 
Randall Cobb: 70% (not a typo!)
Pierre Garcon: 33%

So not only is he easily last on that list of the 15 guys with the most targets inside the 5, perhaps more noteworthy is that Roddy White was pretty good at it with the same QB, which goes a long way towards ruling out Matt Ryan as being the problem.
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Would it be fair to say that White was getting softer coverage?

It is bizarre how these 2 can't seem to get on the same page in the end zone. 

 
Current era Andre Johnson, another exceptional WR with huge physical talent, size and speed who would regularly get 1200+ yds in a season but never score double digit tds. Playcalling? red zone ability? Down to the QB's ability and playbook in the redzone? Could be any of those or something else besides. Guy should be a dominant type of scorer with 10+ tds every season.

 
Synthesizer said:
On that disputed catch, Julio burned the CB on a double move, the safety already fell down, and Julio had at least 2 steps on the CB.  Most of the time that would lead to a 70 yard TD.  But Matt Ryan blew the throw.  We can dispute the catch all we want, but Julio should have been walking into the endzone with a 70 yard TD.
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Yep, should have been the easiest TD of the game. Awful throw by Ryan. 

 
Synthesizer said:
On that disputed catch, Julio burned the CB on a double move, the safety already fell down, and Julio had at least 2 steps on the CB.  Most of the time that would lead to a 70 yard TD.  But Matt Ryan blew the throw.  We can dispute the catch all we want, but Julio should have been walking into the endzone with a 70 yard TD.
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There wasn't even a high safety on that play either. He bit short.

All Ryan had to do was loft it somewhere in the middle of the field for Jones to run under. Just terrible.

 
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