WR Kevin White, NO (2 Viewers)

[flapgreen]

I think Charles Rogers still holds that title. 

Has more yards and games played than White so far. White could take it. 

 

[travdogg]

Has more yards and games played than White so far. White could take it. 

Getting off topic a bit, but I'd say if White retired today, he still was a better pick than Rogers was.

Rogers was the #2 overall pick of a loaded class. Andre Johnson, Terrance Newman, Jordan Gross, Kevin Williams, Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant all went in the next 10 picks, and were quality NFL starters. Johnson, Williams, and Suggs will be HOF candidates, and I'd vote for Williams.

White was the #7 overall pick in what through 3 years is a pretty mediocre draft class. Vic Beasley, Todd Gurley, and Melvin Gordon are the only guys among the next 10 picks who have really panned out so far. Obviously we'd love to have Gurley on the Bears right now, but my point is,there wasn't exactly a bunch of great players going in that area. Hell, Giant fans might argue they'd rather have White than the guy they took 2 picks later in Erick Flowers, who has been about as useful as White, only he's stayed on the field, which some would argue has been worse than if he had been out.

 

[-OZ-]

Getting off topic a bit, but I'd say if White retired today, he still was a better pick than Rogers was.

Rogers was the #2 overall pick of a loaded class. Andre Johnson, Terrance Newman, Jordan Gross, Kevin Williams, Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant all went in the next 10 picks, and were quality NFL starters. Johnson, Williams, and Suggs will be HOF candidates, and I'd vote for Williams.

White was the #7 overall pick in what through 3 years is a pretty mediocre draft class. Vic Beasley, Todd Gurley, and Melvin Gordon are the only guys among the next 10 picks who have really panned out so far. Obviously we'd love to have Gurley on the Bears right now, but my point is,there wasn't exactly a bunch of great players going in that area. Hell, Giant fans might argue they'd rather have White than the guy they took 2 picks later in Erick Flowers, who has been about as useful as White, only he's stayed on the field, which some would argue has been worse than if he had been out.

That's the key and reason Tony Mandarich will always be the worst pick in the NFL. 

ETA: seriously...

1 DAL Troy Aikman HOF 

2 GNB Tony Mandarich 

3 DET Barry Sanders HOF 

4 KAN Derrick Thomas HOF 

5 ATL Deion Sanders HOF

 

[Ilov80s]

I think Charles Rogers still holds that title. 

Rogers outproduced Kevin White's entire career in his first NFL game. Rogers scored 2 TDs in his NFL debut. White is still at 0. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Getting off topic a bit, but I'd say if White retired today, he still was a better pick than Rogers was.

Rogers was the #2 overall pick of a loaded class. Andre Johnson, Terrance Newman, Jordan Gross, Kevin Williams, Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant all went in the next 10 picks, and were quality NFL starters. Johnson, Williams, and Suggs will be HOF candidates, and I'd vote for Williams.

White was the #7 overall pick in what through 3 years is a pretty mediocre draft class. Vic Beasley, Todd Gurley, and Melvin Gordon are the only guys among the next 10 picks who have really panned out so far. Obviously we'd love to have Gurley on the Bears right now, but my point is,there wasn't exactly a bunch of great players going in that area. Hell, Giant fans might argue they'd rather have White than the guy they took 2 picks later in Erick Flowers, who has been about as useful as White, only he's stayed on the field, which some would argue has been worse than if he had been out.

Rogers showed talent though. He broke his collarbone and then being away from the team for so long, he got lazy and too into drugs. If he doesn't break his collarbone twice, he might have been a great player. He sure looked good right out of the gate as a rookie. His rookie year, he was on pace for about 800 and 9 before his injury. Kevin White has been hurt a lot, but even when he has played, he has been pretty much the worst receiver in the NFL.

 

[flapgreen]

Getting off topic a bit, but I'd say if White retired today, he still was a better pick than Rogers was.

Rogers was the #2 overall pick of a loaded class. Andre Johnson, Terrance Newman, Jordan Gross, Kevin Williams, Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant all went in the next 10 picks, and were quality NFL starters. Johnson, Williams, and Suggs will be HOF candidates, and I'd vote for Williams.

White was the #7 overall pick in what through 3 years is a pretty mediocre draft class. Vic Beasley, Todd Gurley, and Melvin Gordon are the only guys among the next 10 picks who have really panned out so far. Obviously we'd love to have Gurley on the Bears right now, but my point is,there wasn't exactly a bunch of great players going in that area. Hell, Giant fans might argue they'd rather have White than the guy they took 2 picks later in Erick Flowers, who has been about as useful as White, only he's stayed on the field, which some would argue has been worse than if he had been out.

Gurley and Beasley would've been massive gets if the Bears had taken either. They've done more than panned out. But the fact that Rogers was taken second before all of those guys is a good point. 

 

[Faust]

Bears declined WR Kevin White's 2019 team option.

This was an easy decision. The option would have paid White $13.9 million next year, and White has appeared in just five career games since going No. 7 overall in 2015. He's healthy this offseason and trained with Mitch Trubisky earlier in the year. White figures to enter 2018 as the No. 4 receiver.

Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter 

May 2 - 2:27 PM

 

[Faust]

‘Built Ford Tough’: Bears WR Kevin White gets salty with media, but that’s OK

 

[the lone star]

I kinda hope White gets cut. I'd like to see him get a fresh start elsewhere.

 

[Ilov80s]

Is this the “post about irrelevant wide receiver” day

 

[the lone star]

Is this the “post about irrelevant wide receiver” day

I think he could be relevant on another team. He's had some tough breaks (literally), but I'm still hopeful that he can contribute at the NFL level. Just won't be able to do so with the Bears, unfortunately.

 

[-OZ-]

I think he could be relevant on another team. He's had some tough breaks (literally), but I'm still hopeful that he can contribute at the NFL level. Just won't be able to do so with the Bears, unfortunately.

Why not? 

Their coaching staff just got better, their QB could be really good, he could be their #2 across from ARob who isn't exactly made of iron. 

 

[the lone star]

Why not? 

Their coaching staff just got better, their QB could be really good, he could be their #2 across from ARob who isn't exactly made of iron. 

Possibly, but the Bears have been in flux ever since he got there, and while the QB will get better, he will still be learning. Maybe I'm wrong though. I certainly hope I am. I had Kevin White in a league and did nothing but wait on him.

 

[flapgreen]

Why not? 

Their coaching staff just got better, their QB could be really good, he could be their #2 across from ARob who isn't exactly made of iron. 

Because White just isn't very good, healthy or not. 

 

[the lone star]

Because White just isn't very good, healthy or not. 

He looked amazing in college, but he had a late breakout year, and it could have just been system. In the pros, we haven't seen enough of him to really gauge how good he is. He's been injured and played with some terrible QBs. Cutler, Hoyer, Rookie year Trubisky. 

He might be decent.

 

[-OZ-]

Because White just isn't very good, healthy or not. 

That's entirely possible. I was just replying to LS's statement that White would have better opportunity elsewhere.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think he could be relevant on another team. He's had some tough breaks (literally), but I'm still hopeful that he can contribute at the NFL level. Just won't be able to do so with the Bears, unfortunately.

I wonder if the injuries have zapped him of any speed he once had.  I'm not sure he will ever recover.

 

[Chaka]

Why not? 

Their coaching staff just got better, their QB could be really good, he could be their #2 across from ARob who isn't exactly made of iron. 

Yeah, the Bears are on a fresh start right now.  Fox was never considered an offensive mastermind and he has a notorious reputation for hammering on rookies.  Chicago is about as fresh of a start as White could hope for right now.  Even better that the Bears did not exercise his option because that effectively puts him in a "prove it" situation. If that doesn't get him going, nothing will.

 

[Chaka]

I wonder if the injuries have zapped him of any speed he once had.  I'm not sure he will ever recover.

Not getting his legs back would definitely derail any shot he has at becoming what the Bears thought he could be but that doesn't necessarily mean he would lose relevance entirely.

 

[JohnnyU]

Not getting his legs back would definitely derail any shot he has at becoming what the Bears thought he could be but that doesn't necessarily mean he would lose relevance entirely.

It would in my mind as far as fantasy is concerned. 

 

[Chaka]

It would in my mind as far as fantasy is concerned. 

Considering inexperience was his biggest knock coming into the NFL I think it's unlikely that he could reshape his game to be a truly relevant possession WR, particularly for fantasy purposes. But his physical measurables were so very impressive I can't discount him entirely.

 

[Football Jones]

Kevin White reminds me a little of Danario Alexander. What could have been, although, Alexander actually produced. I've also never been as a high on White as the FF community in general.

Once players get to White's level of "injuryism", it seems like a lost cause. I might would add White as a free pickup in the offseason depending on my roster situation, but he's got a near zero chance to be an FF starter, IMO.

 

[flapgreen]

He looked amazing in college, but he had a late breakout year, and it could have just been system. In the pros, we haven't seen enough of him to really gauge how good he is. He's been injured and played with some terrible QBs. Cutler, Hoyer, Rookie year Trubisky. 

He might be decent.

He had a great final year in college, but has never played as fast as his combine numbers showed.  Even when he's been healthy, he's been below average.  I think they would've cut him by now, but it wouldn't save any cap money.  Anything is possible I guess.  There's no real comparison on a 1st round WR who played 2 or 3 games in his entire first 3 seasons because of injury after he was drafted.  He's had a ton of bad luck, no doubt. I feel for the kid, to a point. 

 

[DocHolliday]

He looked amazing in college, but he had a late breakout year, and it could have just been system. In the pros, we haven't seen enough of him to really gauge how good he is. He's been injured and played with some terrible QBs. Cutler, Hoyer, Rookie year Trubisky. 

He might be decent.

The QBs have not been the problem.   White has not been able to stay healthy to even see what he is capable of doing as a WR in the NFL.   Anything is possible but I would be surprised if White gets on the field much even if he healthy at this point.  

 

[Biabreakable]

I was trying to be optimistic about White even drafted him a few times because the price was so low and watched him with the Bears pretty closely because of it.

He doesn't run good routes at all from what I have seen, that became even more obvious when you compare him to Merideth and what he was able to do with pretty much the same high level of targets.

The light could always turn on at some point and he is still a very young player, I really don't expect that to happen though. I think Miller will establish himself as the better football player pretty quickly and White becomes an afterthought.

 

[msommer]

....

Nothing to add except I found it funny that Biabreakable comments on Kevin White (without mentioning the injuries to boot)

Biatabotuka! (sp?)

 

[Biabreakable]

Nothing to add except I found it funny that Biabreakable comments on Kevin White (without mentioning the injuries to boot)

Biatabotuka! (sp?)

Well obviously the injuries have been the main problem.

I was mostly just echoing what flapgreen was saying about White in the brief period of time he was healthy, he didn't look all that good even though I wanted him to. The volume was there for him, he couldn't do much with it.

Tshimanga Biakabutuka People in Minnesota could not pronounce this guys name to save their lives. 

 

[JohnnyU]

Nothing to add except I found it funny that Biabreakable comments on Kevin White (without mentioning the injuries to boot)

Biatabotuka! (sp?)

I think you will start to see White on some dynasty waiver wires real soon.

 

[FF Ninja]

I wonder if the injuries have zapped him of any speed he once had.  I'm not sure he will ever recover.

Joe Bryant likes to ponder this in his e-mails, too, but it doesn't make any sense to me at all. White had two relatively minor fractures in his leg (bad enough to miss a season, but not like a full break, much less a compound fracture). Then last year he broke his collarbone or something. A fracture isn't going to impact your speed at all. I've said it before but bones are binary. Either they work or they don't. They don't make you fast or slow. Soft tissue injuries affect your speed. If he tore his achilles, his athleticism would almost certainly be impacted. A hairline fracture? No.

Kevin White reminds me a little of Danario Alexander. What could have been, although, Alexander actually produced. I've also never been as a high on White as the FF community in general.

Once players get to White's level of "injuryism", it seems like a lost cause. I might would add White as a free pickup in the offseason depending on my roster situation, but he's got a near zero chance to be an FF starter, IMO.

I don't think anyone thinks he's got a chance to be a FF starter without an AR15 injury. White is playing for a shot to start next year. He's got to show enough when his number is called that someone will give him a chance to compete for a starting spot in 2019. Somewhere with an unsettled depth chart like the current equivalent to IND, NYJ, ARI, SF, or BAL. He'll be lucky to get 35 receptions this season. He needs to make the most of them, though. Take a couple long bombs to the house or make a few contested highlight grabs. Can't afford any bad drops or wrong routes.

 

[Faust]

Can Kevin White's passion and eagerness to learn catalyze his latest comeback attempt?

 

[Faust]

Kevin White hopes to stay on field for what could be last stand with Bears

 

[Faust]

Bears coach Matt Nagy said the team won't "harp" on Kevin White for making mistakes.

"We don’t harp on any of that with any of the players—and in particular with him," he said. "We just want him to be him and play—play fast." The Bears are trying to keep things simple for White, who has appeared in just five games since arriving as a first-rounder in 2015. White has struggled for confidence at times. At one point last year, the coaching staff even showed White footage of his old college tape to remind him how well he played during his time at West Virginia. Anything the Bears can get from the injury-prone 26-year-old this season will be a bonus.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times 

Jul 22 - 11:49 AM

 

[BigTex]

Does he have some type of learning disability? There’s something missing here!?!?!?

Tex

 

[Ilov80s]

Does he have some type of learning disability? There’s something missing here!?!?!?

Tex

It's possible.There are certainly NFL players with learning disabilities or below average IQs. It is even possible for their to be some NFL players who are close to being cognitively impaired. That's not saying about fooball players, just the odds given the size of the population of people who have played pro football. I hate to speculate on if a particular player has any kind of learning issues or a disaiblity, it's not fair. That said, I have always wondered what they meant by he had issues registering for junior college and didn't play as a freshman.  And we know coming out of HS he did not have the grades for D1. 

 

[Ilov80s]

The biggest issue with White is the same one that has always been there. If he is such an elite athlete, why did it take him untill age of 22 to really perform at a high level in college?

 

[King of the Jungle]

Between him and Dorial Green-Beckham I should be set for the next 10 years....

Flash forward....ooof 

 

[Faust]

5 observations from Bears' first practice with pads Sunday: Mitch Trubisky, Kevin White and more

Excerpt:

4. It felt like Kevin White was targeted more Sunday than he was in all of last year’s camp.

Maybe that’s because of the different quarterback or because he’s a year and a half removed from his broken left fibula and torn up ankle. Regardless, it seemed the ball was thrown his way more frequently than we saw last summer.

That said, some results were good, and others were not. Kyle Fuller stripped him of the ball after a catch. He failed to maintain possession on a diving catch attempt over the middle. He didn’t catch the aforementioned underthrown long ball from Trubisky in team drills.

He did delight the crowd by catching a deep ball down the left sideline after running past undrafted rookie John Franklin, the quarterback-turned-receiver-turned-cornerback. If White did that against Fuller or Amukamara, it would carry a lot more weight. But, hey, anything that helps White gain confidence is a good thing. Let’s see how fast White can play, especially once the soggy fields firm up.

 

[BigTex]

It's possible.There are certainly NFL players with learning disabilities or below average IQs. It is even possible for their to be some NFL players who are close to being cognitively impaired. That's not saying about fooball players, just the odds given the size of the population of people who have played pro football. I hate to speculate on if a particular player has any kind of learning issues or a disaiblity, it's not fair. That said, I have always wondered what they meant by he had issues registering for junior college and didn't play as a freshman.  And we know coming out of HS he did not have the grades for D1. 

He’s definitely struggling mentally do to that injury. The coaches have been babysitting or handling him with kids gloves. It seems something just isn’t right.

Tex

 

[Ilov80s]

He’s definitely struggling mentally do to that injury. The coaches have been babysitting or handling him with kids gloves. It seems something just isn’t right.

Tex

Could be mental although having a learning disability wouldn't have any impact in my mind recovering from or handling an injury/adversity. One's ability to overcome challenges, deal with adversity, stay confident in one's self, etc. are personality traits that aren't linked to one's intelligence or cognitive profile IMO. He might just not be good at football- it happens sometimes where guys look right and have all the athletic skills but just aren't good at the sport. Maybe he has issues with depression or anxiety and can't get his confidence up. Maybe the injuries were really bad and he still doesn't feel right. Maybe he doesn't really care for football and isn't trying very hard?

 

[matuski]

He is shook.

 

[Faust]

Kevin White makes huge play in first padded practice of Bears training camp

 

[Faust]

5 observations from re-watching the Bears-Bengals preseason game

Excerpt:

2. White needs to make this game the starting point of an ascent and not a downward spiral.

Fellow Tribune scribe Colleen Kane spoke to White after the game and described him as upbeat, happy and smiling. That doesn't quite match up with the fact he finished without a catch and dropped a pass that would have converted third-and-9.

My initial reaction to learning of White's postgame demeanor was to wonder whether it was false confidence. After all, White is making such a dedicated, conscious effort to stay positive during his latest comeback attempt. Thurday's drop could undermine his mental progress if he let it.

But upon further review, White had good reason to smile: He got open twice against cornerback William Jackson, a starter and first-round pick of the Bengals in 2016. Playing fast and getting open have been the biggest challenges for White when he has been healthy. But he accomplished that in that opening set of downs. He can build on that.

On the incomplete deep ball, he got past Jackson with an outside release. White lined up about 2 yards outside the left numbers, which gave him about 10 yards of width to work with before the sideline. By the time Trubisky's throw descended, White was about a yard inside the boundary; I wonder how intentional they were about using all of that space to the outside. Surely that falls under the details category to which Nagy so often refers. Anyhow, White had a step on Jackson, was close enough to the sideline to be unaffected by the single-high safety and was available to catch the ball if Trubisky had executed the difficult throw.

On the third-and-9 drop, White was outside the frame of the telecast when he broke in at 9 yards. But we know he did gain separation from Jackson, which is a victory, given White's ongoing work to refine his in-breaking routes (specifically his tempo, footwork and how he drops his weight to get in and out of cut).

Again, getting open has been the difficult part for White. So it's possible for him to compartmentalize that positive from the negative of failing to secure the catch.

"I need to keep my eyes on it for a second longer," White said. "Those are routine plays. Sometimes the easiest plays can be the hardest. It takes a little more focus. I just need to catch the ball and get the yards I can get."

Now, it goes without saying that White must catch that ball for Bears coaches to trust him in the rotation. Must catch it. Getting open, obviously, is insufficient by itself.

And that goes back to the original point here: That must be a starting point for White. Now he must incorporate the catching component to the route running. Let's see how he works forward, given Thursday's contrast of positive and negative.

 

[DocHolliday]

5 observations from re-watching the Bears-Bengals preseason game

Excerpt:

Seems like he shoukd be able to catch while on the run at this point.   Maybe I'm missing something.   

 

[az_prof]

I gave up on this guy last year and glad I did. Hard to imagine him ever being a great fantasy player and his leash is getting shorter and shorter.

 

[flapgreen]

He's been done for 3 years. Horrible pick

 

[Faust]

Question looms for Kevin White: ‘Can this guy help us out when it matters most?’

 

[Faust]

Bears belief in Kevin White still high

 

[Faust]

Kevin White scores first touchdown with the Chicago Bears

 

[EBF]

Just when you think you might finally be able to cut him and free some roster space in your dynasty league, he does this and guarantees another three years of squatting on your roster.

 

[Faust]

Just when you think you might finally be able to cut him and free some roster space in your dynasty league, he does this and guarantees another three years of squatting on your roster.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!