JohnnyU
Footballguy
Kraft will lead this team in receptions and I like the Golden upside.
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WR Matthew Golden, GB (3 Viewers)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
That is extremely good value. I think I reluctantly took him at 1.10 in single QB in May. Now I am pretty bullish on him. First round WR, great speed, decent size but unlike a lot of smaller speed WRs, Golden has a complete game with great hands. He can win tough catches on the sidelines, pick up YAC on designed quick passes, get open on intermediate routes and of course get deep. Camp reports have been glowing from day 1 across the organization. Now Jayden Reed is in a boot, Watson is still on PUP and Wicks is not practicing with a calf injury. It Is wheels up for Golden in redraft and dynasty IMO. I think an outcome between Brandin Cooks and Stegon Diggs is looking very realistic right now.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I think that's spot on,especially with the mash unit that is the Packers receiver core at the moment. How many receptions leads the team, who knows
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
yup, gone are the days of him falling late 1st to early 2nd; my last rookie draft the news of Reed's injury broke and Golden went 1.05.
Glad I got my shares early
barackdhouse
Footballguy
are there upcoming rookie drafts still out there?
brewer
Footballguy
Just got him at 2.03 yesterday.
joey
Footballguy
Yes.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
that's cool, totally wild to me that rookie drafts would be held this late
barackdhouse
Footballguy
great value. I couldn't get him there in May.
joey
Footballguy
In a 15+ year dynasty with a bunch of old farts from work and they’re the types who want as much info as possible before a rookie draft, which puts guys like me (who study all off season) at a disadvantage. Such is life.
BubbaFridge
Footballguy
Just drafted him last night and was excited but the more I read the more excited I get.
He's got Tyreek wheels with great hands and a solid work ethic,
The scouting reports seem tepid compared to the reports that have been coming out of camp. Love it.
He's got Tyreek wheels with great hands and a solid work ethic,
The scouting reports seem tepid compared to the reports that have been coming out of camp. Love it.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Tend to agree.
Yeah I was pretty high on him after I scouted him this offseason and really the only question mark was/is a crowded WR room. But is it? I'm probably the biggest Doubs truther on here and I definitely see the talent and potential with Reed. And I like Wicks. But it just doesn't seem like they can hold him back if he is the real deal. Kraft being a target hog is probably my biggest concern because if he eats then I do think the WRs all cancel each other out. Unless there are injuries which it looks like there are.
*I have been assuming all along that C Watson is never going to be relevant again in GB but he could muddy things for a couple or few weeks still*
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't think you're wrong because the camp reports have indeed been really really strong. But the scouting reports made him look like a pure fire stud to me. So yeah choo choo.
Yes. Have one on Saturday. I have pick 1.11 and 2.03. Golden is in the conversation.
BubbaFridge
Footballguy
These were the points that concerned me.
If he performs the way they says he has been in camp I'm guessing the below doesn't mean much thougt.
Well, Golden got the draft capital alley-oop as the Packers bucked their previous trend and sent the card to the podium in the first round of the NFL Draft. I'll lead this off by saying I was lower than consensus regarding Golden. With the selection of Golden and then the team following that up by selecting Savion Williams (round 3) later in the NFL Draft, I don't think Golden will be the team's "true WR1." Those correlated moves speak more to Green Bay continuing their wide receiver-by-committee approach. Even if they don't and the team seeks to run more of the offense through Golden, I don't know if he has the high-end target-drawing ability to reward their faith. Golden finished his collegiate career with an 18.7% target per route run rate and 1.85 yards per route run (per PFF). Neither of those metrics screams "future alpha WR1" in the NFL. Despite my pessimism, Golden's draft capital alone necessitates that he is worth a late-round selection in redraft this season.
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If he performs the way they says he has been in camp I'm guessing the below doesn't mean much thougt.
Well, Golden got the draft capital alley-oop as the Packers bucked their previous trend and sent the card to the podium in the first round of the NFL Draft. I'll lead this off by saying I was lower than consensus regarding Golden. With the selection of Golden and then the team following that up by selecting Savion Williams (round 3) later in the NFL Draft, I don't think Golden will be the team's "true WR1." Those correlated moves speak more to Green Bay continuing their wide receiver-by-committee approach. Even if they don't and the team seeks to run more of the offense through Golden, I don't know if he has the high-end target-drawing ability to reward their faith. Golden finished his collegiate career with an 18.7% target per route run rate and 1.85 yards per route run (per PFF). Neither of those metrics screams "future alpha WR1" in the NFL. Despite my pessimism, Golden's draft capital alone necessitates that he is worth a late-round selection in redraft this season.
Derek Brown - FantasyPros
Harjiran
Footballguy
Mine starts tomorrow morning (slow rookie draft)- I have the 1.8 and am looking at Golden, Egbuka and Warren as possibilities - I really don't know which way I'm leaning right now.
The Jacket
Footballguy
He words it that way because he was low on him pre-draft. Ridiculously so to the point he had a tinfoil hat on re: Golden's 40 time being legit.
Even the doubters can't deny what he's done so far. As owners let's hope that translates to the season.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
I'm higher than market on Golden. It's only one preseason game so far but him being out there on all two receiver sets is a good omen. Near same size as Reed but different skill set. There's potential for him to seize WR1 on this team and they're going to need to pass to win some games.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Quote function not working but for the first 5 on that list situational is a main ingredient in the rise. There's talent of course, but for Tet, Egbuka, Golden, and maybe Burden there's a pretty reasonable path to WR1 or solid WR2 production with spike potential.
bluemanfoo
Footballguy
To me, it speaks more to Reed, Wicks, Doubs, and Watson not being all that good. Not a single one of them strikes fear in opposing defenses, and none of them have shown any sort of consistency or reliability. And yeah, they are all young and still can get better. But if you were Brian Gutekunst, would you count on that happening? No way. None of the Packers receivers became what the Packers hoped, so they spent significant draft capital on two more receivers this year. People were shocked by the Packers drafting two receivers but it makes total sense. If Golden is as good as advertised, he can absolutely be the #1.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
That and the fact that those four are all coming up on UFA in 26 (Watson, Doubs) and 27 (Reed, Wicks). Packers are smart to plan ahead at the position as I doubt they will be re-signing the majority of them. Also they probably have next to zero confidence in Watson staying healthy enough to count on.
beef
Footballguy
The top performing WR spot seems like Golden's to take. Every camp report supports his strong work ethic, ability to move and separate, and fantastic hands. Everything you need right there to be a legit #1.
I think we've seen the best from Doubs and that wasn't enough. Watson's body can't seem to hold up to give him a chance. Don't see either getting an extension or re-signed.
Reed has looked great at times, but in sort of a rut with these nagging injuries and some drops last season. Also seems more like a solid fantasy compliment role like a Tyler Lockett who puts up 800/6 to 1000/10 seasons. Wicks is an enigma. He shows almost elite level separation to be a real deal #1, but can he get past those drops and mental blocks?
I think we've seen the best from Doubs and that wasn't enough. Watson's body can't seem to hold up to give him a chance. Don't see either getting an extension or re-signed.
Reed has looked great at times, but in sort of a rut with these nagging injuries and some drops last season. Also seems more like a solid fantasy compliment role like a Tyler Lockett who puts up 800/6 to 1000/10 seasons. Wicks is an enigma. He shows almost elite level separation to be a real deal #1, but can he get past those drops and mental blocks?
I'd agree with this. Its possible Golden is a true #1, but he especially stands out on a team with exclusively #3 and #4 caliber guys.
ETA: In general, I'd argue the Packers aren't a particularly talented team. Gutekunst is actually a pretty meh GM, but Matt LaFleur is a great HC who gets the most out of guys. Golden is the best chance they've had a as a #1 WR since Adams left.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Is it just me, or does anyone else get prime OBJ vibes watching Golden catch the ball? He's just so smooth, hand catches everything and when he grabs it the ball just gets engulfed by his hands. Now, his arms and hands aren't as freakishly long/big as OBJ's, but he still has a huge hand for his size. Both WRs are 5'11", OBJ was slightly more stout, but Golden is slightly quicker and faster which is scary to think about. I'm pumped about this guy's future even if I don't think that highly of Love and the Packers.
joey
Footballguy
From your mouth to Spaghetti Monster’s ears!
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't like the number 0. I hate Gibbs moving to it- espcially all the kids/parents who already dropped money on his 26 jersey. But I suppose Golden wearing 0 is better than wearing 22 as a WR.
Both were steals.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I need to start one of these two in my last flex this week and I've swapped them like 17 times already. Currently have Golden in.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I like Egbuka, but he's not on Golden's level IMO. Redraft or dynasty, and I don't think it's close. Emeka seems like an Adam Theilen type, not that it's a bad thing, but Golden seems like a game changing superstar. He's got that something many just don't have. Why he's not getting more love, I have no idea.
darksideofoz
Footballguy
Its mostly because people get stuck looking mostly backwards.
the pass game was so great last year for the Bucs, and then people do simple plug and play with Godwin being out and Evans possibly on or over the age cliff.
and the Packers pass game wasn't as great last year, and they've not had a dominant WR develop in years
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
But Golden is faster! Nobody cares about Egbuka’s, route running, toughness and body control. He’s slow!Or because Egbuka is the all-time receiving leader for the most storied college football program for wide receivers of late, was widely regarded as a better prospect than Golden pre-draft, and was actually drafted before Golden.
In all seriousness though I drafted Golden and missed out on Egbuka
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Exactly. And Egbuka has a far better QB throwing him the ball.Or because Egbuka is the all-time receiving leader for the most storied college football program for wide receivers of late, was widely regarded as a better prospect than Golden pre-draft, and was actually drafted before Golden.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
To be fair, Egbuka has flashed all summer long. He has the tools to be a very productive WR in the NFL, I have little doubt. What I do doubt is his ability to every be a game changing alpha #1. I watch Golden catch one pass and I see something special.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
My doubts about Golden are more related to offensive philosophy in Green Bay, which has always seemed to prioritize distrubiton.
If anyone is to break this, its Golden with his draft captial and ability, Reed seems like thats gonna be a disaster trying to play through a jones fracture, Melton is a DB now, so the target tree is funneling.
That said, I did reach for him slightly in the 6th of the ffpc and I'm at least peace with it. I took him over Jameson Williams
If anyone is to break this, its Golden with his draft captial and ability, Reed seems like thats gonna be a disaster trying to play through a jones fracture, Melton is a DB now, so the target tree is funneling.
That said, I did reach for him slightly in the 6th of the ffpc and I'm at least peace with it. I took him over Jameson Williams
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
It has little to do with his speed. And I'm not saying Egbuka isn't talented. It's just that Golden has the it factor. You'll see.But Golden is faster! Nobody cares about Egbuka’s, route running, toughness and body control. He’s slow!Or because Egbuka is the all-time receiving leader for the most storied college football program for wide receivers of late, was widely regarded as a better prospect than Golden pre-draft, and was actually drafted before Golden.
In all seriousness though I drafted Golden and missed out on Egbuka
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I don't know, they've tried to feed Watson and they've tried to feed Reed. Both got hurt.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Thats fair with Watson
I dont think Reed ever had a significant run on the field though, always seemed to be in 11 personnel packages, his snap usage was always befuddling to me given how he jumped out at you in the eye test
Both are listed very generously at 5'11 if you ask me, they both look small. So I worry about Golden from that standpoint too
