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WR Mike Evans, TB (3 Viewers)
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'm probably reading too much into it, but safety help has nothing to do with it. I guess you're under the impression other teams haven't defended Evans the same way while he's averaging 15 targets a game? Now that's absurd. Yesterday was by far his lowest target total of the season.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Two tough match ups in a row coming up before FF playoffs... Hope he can keep producing.
Dondante
Footballguy
My guess is it was easier for Jameis to get everyone else involved than trying to force the ball to Evans all game like usual. The Bears were lost all game and the Jameis needed to get other WRs and Brate involved. Teams are going to continue to try to shut Evans down so I'm sure it's a point of focus for TB to include the other skill guys in the game plan moving forward.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
No need for me to dig in here. Like I said, I'm probably wrong about the reasoning behind the low target numbers. Just didn't seem like Jameis was interested in looking his way for whatever reason. I watch every game, and 80% of the pass plays are designed for Evans. Winston was hitting other players early in his drops. Maybe Chicago's coverage on Evans was just that good.
packersfan
Footballguy
Certainly can't complain about the game Evans had but it sure could've been better. Koetter really went into a shell after he got the lead. Evans hardly got targeted after his second TD. He was beating Sherman like a drum. Nearly all his production came in the first half. Didn't help that the Seahawks' offense was brutal. If they could've put up some points that would've forced the Bucs to keep scoring but that allowed Koetter to stay conservative. Oh well, still helluva day and Evans is all kinds of special.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Had a shot at a third TD but Jameis threw a horrible int. Dude is an absolute beast, just want him to stay healthy, his playoff schedule with 2 games against the (improving slightly) Saints look very juicy. He's WR1 in my standard local, not bad for an early third rounder.
packersfan
Footballguy
Yeah that was a bad throw. I'm not even really counting that because I don't think it even had a chance to be a TD. The two Saints games should be glorious. I got him mid-second in my league after taking AJ in the first. If only I still had AJ :( But Evans has been amazing. He's going Top 10 next year for sure.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
WR2 in mine. I traded for him in the preseason, he was drafted 2.11. I have a huge mancrush going ever since
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
I took Brown first then Evans at the turn, expecting him to be pretty good as he had like 1300 yards last year and figured the low TD rate was likely to improve. Holy hell, he's been amazing, only 2 dud games and one of those was against Denver when they were still tough against the pass. The other dud game was a weird one, a shootout with Oakland where he had like 50 yards. Not sure what happened there, regardless, my best pick of the year in any of my drafts.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
I had to check since you said that, he was listed as WR1 but that was before this past week so I think Brown with the 3 TD game will have surpassed him by a few points. Not bad having the WR1 and 2 on my team with Brees as wellWR2 in mine. I traded for him in the preseason, he was drafted 2.11. I have a huge mancrush going ever since
packersfan
Footballguy
Figure Brown is still the first WR off the board in drafts next year. Would anyone take Evans ahead of Julio or Beckham? I don't think it's crazy to consider it. Julio is obviously a stud but his week-to-week scoring is really volatile. This week is a prime example of how he can just kill you with a dud game. Evans is much more consistent. He hasn't had a game in single digits in PPR the entire season. I think you can make a strong argument that Evans or Beckham should be the second WR off the board behind Brown due to that consistent level of production.
I traded OBJ for Evans straight up about 3-4 weeks ago, so ya I'd agree. Evans has all the FF points potential of OBJ with none of the drama, so far.
Me too! but with Luck and Ben. And DJ.I had to check since you said that, he was listed as WR1 but that was before this past week so I think Brown with the 3 TD game will have surpassed him by a few points. Not bad having the WR1 and 2 on my team with Brees as well
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
I'd take him after Brown with OBJ a strong contender to be picked WR2 as well. If I can word this correctly, this year maybe was the perfect year to own him though. Excellent value in round 2 or 3, top 3 production, schedule panning out beautifully, game scripts generally working out well. Just like all the stars aligned perfectly and (touch wood) he's healthy in a year when many top WR's have gotten badly hurt. Next year, who knows? You pick him first round and it may not be the same but one thing is for sure, his physical talent is off the charts and I think he's only 23 or 24 so a real major WR talent for a few years to come.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
Yeah from a value perspective you probably aren't going to do better with him than this year. He may continue to put up elite WR1 numbers going forward but you'll be paying an elite WR1 price to get him after this year. But all of us who have him hopefully can enjoy the ride the rest of this season. It's sure been a lot of fun. He's an amazing talent and as we all know those two Saints games could be freakin amazing if they play according to script.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Yup. Brown was not a value pick this year at all, he's just about justified being picked in the top 3 but he's needed another excellent year to do it. Evans was a lot of people's pick on here to breakout, people much smarter and more knowledgeable about this crazy sport than me so i'm glad I paid attention.
It's funny how often down the years, i've looked forward to a "matchup" and it hasn't ended up being what I hoped, that's the NFL, can't predict it. However, it's hard to see those 2 Saints games being anything other than shootouts, I mean it's not like Payton likes to run to setup the pass is it? Evans given enough opportunity could destroy that secondary and Brees will pass to keep up. Looking forward to those games!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep… He's ahead by a little bit less than 10 points.LionOfGosforth said:I had to check since you said that, he was listed as WR1 but that was before this past week so I think Brown with the 3 TD game will have surpassed him by a few points. Not bad having the WR1 and 2 on my team with Brees as well
I traded for Michael Thomas in week 21 Sneed had a minor foot injury… That worked out pretty well too. Nice having both those guys, and getting Moncrief back from injury to round out my receiving corps.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I would still be interested next year obviously, but totally agree with what you are saying. I feel like Hopkins this year was kind of like Evans might be next year. Great talent and target hog last year, but conditions might not remain perfect. So who is next year's Evans will probably be the question.LionOfGosforth said:
But it does seem like AB, Julio, Evans, OBJ, along with DJ could be the consensus 1-5 next year.
L. Bell needs to be in the top 5 talk especially if he stays healthy for the remainder of this year. Now that he is scoring TD's again, he is putting up awesome numbers.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Hopkins is an excellent and depressing thought. I'd hope that Evans wouldn't fall to that type of disparity statistically, between years, mainly because I believe Winston is just a much better talent than Osweiler and Tampa, for this year at least, appear committed to getting the ball to their best player. That said, who can say just how many factors have combined to produce this type of output.
We only maybe see what is on the surface, good QB play, good pass blocking, plenty of targets, soft-ish schedule, average defense that leads to shootouts etc. Behind the scenes, we maybe don't see what else factors in, for example, OL chemistry that leads to the kind of pass blocking that leads to the output. So many variables that can change year to year. their defense could be better, their OL could change for the worse etc. I'm rambling, you get the point. Not just based on this year, because he's been super productive before too, he's worth the "gamble" if that is the right word to use next year in the first.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Zeke too. He's surprised me more than anyone I think. Bell had a track record, DJ had shown it, if only in a small sample.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
You are correct. I was just looking at this year's ADPs and realizing the EZE and Bell would definitely be part of the conversation. I just feel like I see WR going more and more early, but yeah, I'd be pretty happy with any of those 7 I would assume (and I usually hate my first-round picks).
I will have to make the choice between Evans and Julio in a keeper league. It may simply boil down to what other value I can keep along with either of these guys, but if all else is equal I would probably lean towards Evans. Sadly, it is very unlikely I will be in a position to draft back the guy do not keep. I can see either one being the #1 or 2 pick in our draft (PPR league).packersfan said:
Gonna enjoy joy having both while it lasts and hope to find the "next man up" in 2017....
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
I get what you're saying, but there's no way Evans will be anywhere close to as bad as Hopkins is this year. Jameis is lightyears better than Osweiler, and him and Winston should only continue to build more chemistry and get better.
I think Evans production will drop a little bit next year due to the Bucs bringing in more weapons. Right now, Evans is the only legit weapon the Bucs have. His competition is Adam Humphries, Cecil Shorts and Cameron Brate, who all would be at the very best 3rd or 4th options on most teams, so Jameis is feeding him targets every week. I would not be surprised at all if the Bucs brought in a guy like Jeffrey (they have a ton of cap space) or drafted a WR in the 1st round on the draft, which would obviously take some targets away from Evans. With that being said, I still think he will be a top 10 WR at the worst, with the potential obviously to be top 3-5.
dipandglide
Footballguy
You don't think he has overall WR1 potential? From what I've seen, I think he can post a WR1 season beyond this year. He can do a bit of everything.
Nevermind Hopkins. The floor for 2017 Evans is 2015 Evans... which was WR26 in standard scoring, thanks to only 3 TDs.
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
I think he does because the guy is a monster and like you said, he can pretty much lineup anywhere on the field and make play. However, I just think his target share will drop a bit when we get more weapons. Jameis has locked onto Evans a lot this year because he's really all we've got, but when we get more weapons I think he will spread the ball around more. Also, Jameis isn't the most accurate QB and I don't think he ever will be (he's still a very good QB though, IMO), so I think there will always be some opportunities left on the field.
WR1 potential is definitely there for Evans, but I think he will be more in the 3-5 range next year. He's definitely in that top tier though with Brown, OBJ and Julio. JMO. I'm an Evans owner in all 3 leagues and obviously a Bucs fan, so I would love to see him be WR1.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Starting to get some run in the National media as the best WR in the NFL.
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
He definitely deserves to be in the conversation, but I think I would take Julio, OBJ and Brown over him. If Evans just had that breakaway speed those guys do, I think I might take him over anyone.
FUBAR
Footballguy
As great as the rest are, brown is the guy who consistently has shown that he will not be shut down when the defense knows he's getting the ball. The only thing stopping Antonio is when Ben has been injured. Evans will probably be the same way but hasn't shown it yet.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Thing is that Julio has these recurring lower leg/ankle injuries that make him maddeningly inconsistent. When he's 100% I think it's Julio as well, but the targets and consistency from Evans are impossible to top. And I think he's getting better.
OBJ has also been hit and miss - I've seen him taken out of games by opposing defenses, and I've also seen him have games where it looked like he didn't show up mentally. Evans just went 106/2 against one of the best cover corners & defenses in the NFL.
Hard to argue that this dude isn't the best WR in the NFL for his combination of size and hands. That one-handed contested grab while getting crushed in the concussion play was truly unbelievable.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
106 and 2. You mad, bro?
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I don't give it a second thought: Evans over Jones for reasons already listed by other posters. As far as Brown or Beckham, you have to factor their QBs. Both are older and one is injury prone. In a keeper Evans has to be strongly considered fo number one. The amazing thing is in standard leagues you may still get him top of round 2. PPR I doubt it. He will replace Hopkins at least in next year's PPR drafts.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
It seems like there is consensus here the WR will go first once again in next years PPR drafts?! I easily see 3 RB's go top 3 and then pushing guys like AB, OBJ, Julio and Evans to the 3-7 slots. Dunno, it will be interesting, that's for sure!
I found all the "experts" were way too low on Evans this year, I'd like to thank them as I picked him up in 75% of my leagues in round 2 and sometimes the 3rd in those early drafts. FBG were especially low on him, I would add a few rec, a 100 yards and bumped his TD's to 9 on the dominator and he would sky rocket to #5WR on the board. The TD regression was obvious as it should be next as well.
I found all the "experts" were way too low on Evans this year, I'd like to thank them as I picked him up in 75% of my leagues in round 2 and sometimes the 3rd in those early drafts. FBG were especially low on him, I would add a few rec, a 100 yards and bumped his TD's to 9 on the dominator and he would sky rocket to #5WR on the board. The TD regression was obvious as it should be next as well.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
His leaping ability reminds me of Megatron, although his body type is different. That TD earlier this year where Winston was scrambling near the goal line and Evans simply pointed up, basically saying, "Throw it up high and I'll out jump the other guy," which he did, was awesome.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
Dyno or keeper, yep. Evans is my top dog too. Redraft ppr, it's brown. But man I love having them both in my main league.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'd still go David Johnson or Ezekiel Elliott, but Evans is a close 3rd for me. Then probably Brown. Roethlisburger's health is a concern.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
In redraft next year, I suspect Evans will be similar to what Hopkins was this year: a mid-1st round pick. Barring injuries or something weird, I don't see his ADP vaulting past that of Elliot, D. Johnson, A. Brown or Julio next year, and I could see Beckham and L Bell still going ahead of him. But yeah, his talent is obvious, and he is fun as hell to watch.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree. He's a guy I'd grab at 5-6-7 after Brown/OBJ/Julio and feel like I got a bargain. Consistency pays in FFB and he's going to remain a target monster.
Andrew74
Footballguy
I have the same decision and am 99% sure I'm going with Evans if simply for age. I plan on trading Julio.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Sure but just remember Allen Robinson. I'm sure you said the same about him last year.
FUBAR
Footballguy
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