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WR Mike Williams, NYJ (5 Viewers)

Brandon Will said:
Ended up having 1.1, 1.2, 1.6, 1.7 & 13

Now what lol Fournette/Cook? Or trade down? Both 3&4 teams need a RB bad.
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Can't hurt to see what you can get -- if a trade(s) works out to be Herschel-esque + you get the 3/4? Wow,  but it's nice knowing that at worst you'll have those RB's.

 
higgins said:
Can't hurt to see what you can get -- if a trade(s) works out to be Herschel-esque + you get the 3/4? Wow,  but it's nice knowing that at worst you'll have those RB's.
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:goodposting:

I would approach both the teams with the third and fourth picks and let them know how pleased you are to be welcoming Fournette and Cook to your dynasty roster.  Then you will mention that you are open to a trade offer and you find out if they would be willing to swap the 1.02 pick for their pick plus their first round pick in 2018 (and possibly a third round pick this year if you think they are that desperate and willing to pay up).

 
Brandon Will said:
Ended up having 1.1, 1.2, 1.6, 1.7 & 13

Now what lol Fournette/Cook? Or trade down? Both 3&4 teams need a RB bad.
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Lots of options and some good suggestions already.  I would hang onto the first two picks and draft the backs.  I would also consider dealing some combination of the 1.6, 1.7 & 13 plus possibly a mid-value RB from my roster to acquire the 1.3 or 1.4.

 
Grahamburn said:
It was somewhat tongue in cheek. Tampa fans wanted the original Big Mike when he came out. Then we had Tampa Mike who looked like a steal until the nose candy did him in.

3rd time is a charm?

Personally, I prefer Corey Davis, but if Jason Licht likes Clemson Mike then I'm on board.  I can get past the name thing. Tampa needs a WR in the worst way, but so do several teams picking in front of them. I keep seeing Ross mocked to them. No thanks.

I kind of hope they just sign Alshon. 
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Was it blow that did in Tampa Mike?  I guess I never heard that or just forgot.  I had thought he just got cocky after early success and didn't put in the effort.  Anyway, he would be on my short list of one year wonders that I drafted thinking I had a viable, long term asset.

Don't put to much stock in names.  Some teams passed on a QB named "Carr" for similar reasons.  And what kind of name is "Bilal" anyway?

 
 

An anonymous coach speaking to SI's Pete Thamel questioned Alabama's ability to cover Clemson senior WR Mike Williams.
"I don’t think Alabama can match up with Mike Williams in a single safety look," the coach said. "I don’t think anyone can." Williams enters the title game with 90 catches and 10 touchdowns on 14.1 yards per catch. "If he has 100 yards, but it’s not downfield, it’s in small chunks of yards, that will be good for Alabama," the coach added. Williams will go in the first round of this spring's NFL Draft.

 
 
Source: Sports Illustrated 
Jan 9 - 2:10 PM
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Clemson senior WR Mike Williams caught eight passes for 94 yards and a touchdown in Monday's 35-31 win over Alabama in the National Championship Game.
Deshaun Watson might have been named the MVP of this one, but Williams was equally brilliant. The 6-foot-5, 205-pounder scored on a little lofted four-yard pass in the opening minute of the fourth quarter, but his body of work went well beyond that touchdown. Williams repeatedly made tough, high-point catches in heavy traffic for the Tigers, including two "wow" grabs of that variety on Clemson's final offensive drive of the game. He could potentially land as a top-10 pick come this spring's draft
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Brandon Will said:
Ended up having 1.1, 1.2, 1.6, 1.7 & 13

Now what lol Fournette/Cook? Or trade down? Both 3&4 teams need a RB bad.
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Stand pat! If they both need a RB bad, they might just take RBs (Foreman, Mixon, McCaffrey, etc).  That would mean that Davis or Williams falls to you.  Don't overthink this.  I wish I was in your position. I have 1, 4, 6, 7.  So I get 2 of Fournette, Cook, Davis, Williams and I have to choose which 3 I'm ok missing out on. Not as fun.

 
steelers1080 said:
Stand pat! If they both need a RB bad, they might just take RBs (Foreman, Mixon, McCaffrey, etc).  That would mean that Davis or Williams falls to you.  Don't overthink this.  I wish I was in your position. I have 1, 4, 6, 7.  So I get 2 of Fournette, Cook, Davis, Williams and I have to choose which 3 I'm ok missing out on. Not as fun.
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Here is one situation I find myself. I have 1 and 3 in a league my biggest need is WR and deep at RB. I try not to pick for need and don't think you can have to many RB's so if I ended up with Fournette and Cook in some order I can live with it. But, and I got months to mull this wonderful thought over, if I end up liking both RB's similar and decide I would rather have Williams along with one of the RB's I'm going to take Williams at 1.

 
When he got popped early I thought he might go all John Ross on us and disappear. 

I still think I like Davis better, but that was an impressive performance. 

 
menobrown said:
Here is one situation I find myself. I have 1 and 3 in a league my biggest need is WR and deep at RB. I try not to pick for need and don't think you can have to many RB's so if I ended up with Fournette and Cook in some order I can live with it. But, and I got months to mull this wonderful thought over, if I end up liking both RB's similar and decide I would rather have Williams along with one of the RB's I'm going to take Williams at 1.
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or you can trade back to 2 and get a little something extra - if the guy at 2 is willing of course.

 
Grahamburn said:
When he got popped early I thought he might go all John Ross on us and disappear. 

I still think I like Davis better, but that was an impressive performance. 
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I'm not sure whether I'm higher on him now because he was so good at catching the ball in traffic or lower on him because he couldn't get any separation and was always in traffic. 

 
He's listed as roughly the same size as Alshon Jeffery, a 6'3 WR with good hands.  Jeffery isn't known for separation speed but is one of the league's best at catching the ball in traffic and/or out-battling DBs for balls in the air.  The combine workouts will be interesting and hopefully will shed more light on expectations for Williams.  

 
menobrown said:
Here is one situation I find myself. I have 1 and 3 in a league my biggest need is WR and deep at RB. I try not to pick for need and don't think you can have to many RB's so if I ended up with Fournette and Cook in some order I can live with it. But, and I got months to mull this wonderful thought over, if I end up liking both RB's similar and decide I would rather have Williams along with one of the RB's I'm going to take Williams at 1.
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Understandable viewpoint.  Post-draft will probably clear all this up because Fournette or Cook will probably go to a much better situation/not a RBBC.  If that's the case, take the better one, #2 takes the other, then take Williams or Davis.

 
Whats the difference between Mike Williams and Jaelen Strong?  That's the closest comp I can come up with because their tape is almost identical.  Lots of back shoulders, and high points, not a whole lot of separation and all that.  I see a slight advantage in quickness for Williams but other than that they look the same to me.  I liked Jaelen Strong coming out, and he's done nothing but catch TD's in the NFL, but no role on offense.  So is that Williams' floor or what?

 
 

Clemson WR Mike Williams arrived in Indianapolis for the NFL Combine at 6-foot-4 and 218 pounds with 9 3/8-inch hands.
All of this sounds on the nose for Williams, who had been variously listed between 6-foot-3 and 6-foot-5 over the past year. There is no doubting his physical prowess. His 40-yard dash figures to carry slightly more import. If he can bust below 4.50 seconds, that would be phenomenal. The former Clemson wideout is a potential top-10 pick this spring. He has been comped to Alshon Jeffrey.

 
 
Source: Walter Cherepinsky on Twitter 
Mar 2 - 2:38 PM
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Clemson WR Mike Williams met with Cardinals OC Harold Goodwin on Thursday.
Williams "likes the offense," according to Cardinals beat writer Kyle Odegard. Williams won't be running the 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine, but he's staying busy. He'll meet with the Cowboys on Friday.

 
 
Source: Kyle Odegard on Twitter 
Mar 3 - 4:00 PM
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Clemson WR Mike Williams posted a 32.5-inch vertical jump at the NFL Combine.
Add Williams to the list of Combine "losers." He elected not to run the 40-yard dash -- draw your own conclusions on that one -- and then posted a poor vertical as a jump-ball specialist. There was one positive. Williams logged a strong 10-foot-1 broad jump at 6-foot-4, 218 pounds.

 
 
 
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CBS Sports draft analyst Rob Rang believes that Clemson WR Mike Williams could slide out of the top 20 picks.
Rang refers to Williams' "lack of juice" during positional drills as "alarming." The 6-foot-4, 218-pounder chose not run the 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine this weekend, always a decision bound to raise a few eyebrows for players coming to Indianapolis with questions surrounding their top-end speeds. We saw a similar situation with Ole Miss WR Laquon Treadwell last spring. Treadwell did not run the 40 at the Combine in 2016 and was ultimately drafted by the Vikings with pick No. 23.

 
 
Source: CBS Sports 
Mar 7 - 10:38 PM
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An NFL Scout says is reminded of Mike Evans when he watches Clemson WR Mike Williams.


"He’s really good in traffic," the scout said. "He is talented, big. Thing that worries me, I don’t see him separating from people." The 6-foot-4, 218-pounder chose not run the 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine and then posted a disappointing vertical jump of 32.5 inches. "He’s a big-body, Dez Bryant mold," said another scout. "He fits that profile well. If you sit there and try to make him a guy that wins on immediate separation, there may be an issue.
 
Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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ESPN's Todd McShay would like to see Clemson WR Mike Williams run a 40-yard dash in the vicinity of 4.55 seconds on his program's pro day.
Williams opted out of running the 40-yard dash in Indianapolis this past weekend, generally a red-flag. He will have his shot to convince the NFL that his top-end speed is not a true issue come pro day. "It's important not to forget what Williams showed on the field this season," McShay cautions. The 6-foot-4, 218-pounder logged a 98-1361-11 receiving line in 15 games this past season. On his post-Combine Top 32, McShay slotted Williams in at No. 15. For context's sake, Western Michigan WR Corey Davis lands at No. 12, while Washington WR John Ross sneaks up behind Williams at No. 16.

 
 
Source: ESPN Insider 
Mar 10 - 4:03 PM
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An NFC personnel director told NFL Media's Lance Zierlein that Clemson WR Mike Williams is "[r]eally pretty looking when you watch him down on the field but he's not there yet."

"When college players get up here and find out that cornerbacks are faster and more physical, there is an adjustment period. I think it will take him some time to figure things out but I think he'll do it," the personnel director said of the 6-foot-4, 218-pounder, additionally telling Zierlein, "He's going to be good, I just don't know if he's going to be a star." For his part, Zierlein compares Williams' game to that of former Steelers WR Plaxico Burress.

Source: NFL.com
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Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter:

"According to a scout at Clemson today-- Mike Williams ran 4.58 & 4.56"

Me: There are also some reports of 4.49

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Good enough to not be an issue. 
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Rookie_Whisperer said:
Agreed. For 6'4" / 218 lbs, 4.56 is definitely workable.
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menobrown said:
Exactly, as long as he did not go full Treadwell I was good.

Anyone know if he did other drills?
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But pro days are notoriously faster than Combines.  Was Treadwell's combine or pro day in this area?

 
Borden said:
I might take that as a positive. A bad form 40 means he probably faster is he had proper form?
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Some people around here feel poor form is a reflection of work ethic.  That he didn't put in the time to learn form or have the ability to learn it in that time frame.  Not me but I've seen it before.  Very true that bad form could result in a poor time though.  

 
fruity pebbles said:
Probably wouldnt have broken 4.6 at the combine, which is why he didnt run.
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If you look at Gallman, he ran a 4.60 at the combine and a 4.56 / 4.57 at Clemson pro day. So if you assume a "faster track" at Clemson, since Williams ran 4.53 and 4.51 at Clemson, we can guesstimate that he's probably closer to 4.57 if he ran at the combine. 

Edited to add we can also look at Artavis Scott... 4.61 at Combine vs. 4.57 / 4.58 at Clemson.  

Looks like a 0.04 / 0.05 time difference. 

 
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