WR Odell Beckham, Jr., Free Agent (2 Viewers)

[DevilDog919]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

 

[Bri]

Today...all I'd guess as a way to stop ODB is to figure out how to get to Eli consistently because he's an ugly duck throwing QB when under pressure all game.

 

[Bri]

there wll be a regression....no way he sustains the pace....it would be video game crazy

see Jimmy Graham and Keenan Allen and all the owners that chased their stats from last year and drafted accordingly....

with that said....he is a beast and should be in the conversation of WR1-WR5 in drafts next year.....

NYG didn't have a ton to play for and I think Eli almost treated him as that "bonus" slot/area you shoot for when playing pinball....what the hell let me chuck it his way and see if I keep hitting the jackpot....

NFL teams will adjust and make "somebody else" beat them because he has shown he deserves that type of attention....but he has also shown that he can maybe still play through some of that......the fact that he carried many teams to fantasy titles this year (ala graham and Allen last year) I think will have his ADP heading into 2015 a little higher than it should be.....I think you have to expect some regression and you should draft/trade/etc accordingly....

Ridiculous post. Allen and graham are nothing like odb. Insert player had a great year, better prepare accordingly for the eventual drop off!

Why? Graham was a superior athlete than defenders and uncoverable. What's so different between Graham in another year and ODB now as far as "uncoverable" and impressive and wow n all.

 

[Wonderllama]

The thing that helps Beckham is that the NFC East is full of bad secondaries. So like Dez Bryant, he'll get to feast on them multiple times a year.

I won't draft OBJ before Antonio Brown. And if I can draft Dez, DT, Jordy, or Calvin with a more reasonable pick, I could see myself getting those guys too. Plus with all the rookies doing so well, WRs next season will be deeper than ever before.

 

[msudaisy26]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

I agree with most of your post, except comparing him to quarterbacks in their rookie year. Especially one that has had a ton of injuries since that have taken a lot of his ability. OBJ could have some massive injuries the next 2 years and never be the same.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

there wll be a regression....no way he sustains the pace....it would be video game crazy

see Jimmy Graham and Keenan Allen and all the owners that chased their stats from last year and drafted accordingly....

with that said....he is a beast and should be in the conversation of WR1-WR5 in drafts next year.....

NYG didn't have a ton to play for and I think Eli almost treated him as that "bonus" slot/area you shoot for when playing pinball....what the hell let me chuck it his way and see if I keep hitting the jackpot....

NFL teams will adjust and make "somebody else" beat them because he has shown he deserves that type of attention....but he has also shown that he can maybe still play through some of that......the fact that he carried many teams to fantasy titles this year (ala graham and Allen last year) I think will have his ADP heading into 2015 a little higher than it should be.....I think you have to expect some regression and you should draft/trade/etc accordingly....

Ridiculous post. Allen and graham are nothing like odb. Insert player had a great year, better prepare accordingly for the eventual drop off!

lol....

 

[Dippa]

Of course you expect some regression from a rookie who is on a pace to shatter NFL records, but that doesn't really decrease his value to me.

 

[DevilDog919]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

I agree with most of your post, except comparing him to quarterbacks in their rookie year. Especially one that has had a ton of injuries since that have taken a lot of his ability. OBJ could have some massive injuries the next 2 years and never be the same.

Wasn't meaning to say he could get injured, I don't think that is all of RGIII's problems anyway. Cam Newton just ended his 3rd regular season, and his rookie season was by far and away his best in fantasy. Just pointing out, players can regress from their rookie seasons.

I don't think he's more talented than Calvin Johnson, and yet Calvin has had pretty average seasons. NFL coordinators will find a way to take him out of games and minimize hsi threat. That's pretty much my point. He's definitely a top 10 WR, but anyone thinking he's more of a sure thing than a Dez Bryant / Demaryius / Julio / AJ Green are kidding themselves. If anyone is willing to send more with one of those WR's for OBJ, I'd be running to hit accept. And based on a few offers that I've put out in several different leagues, thats what the OBJ owners are expecting right now.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Of course you expect some regression from a rookie who is on a pace to shatter NFL records, but that doesn't really decrease his value to me.

thats cool....but many (like some in this thread right now) wont draft/react with regression in mind, they will draft the video game pace....it happens every year.......

 

[Dippa]

Of course you expect some regression from a rookie who is on a pace to shatter NFL records, but that doesn't really decrease his value to me.

thats cool....but many (like some in this thread right now) wont draft/react with regression in mind, they will draft the video game pace....it happens every year.......

If people are expecting him to keep up the pace and break Calvin Johnson's receiving record every year, that's on them. I just find it odd that some seem to feel that they need to protect people from themselves. If you don't think he'll be great, don't draft him.

 

[infantsam]

He's pretty much a lock for 100/1500/10 w/ upside.

That puts him on the 'list'

Calvin

AB

Demarius

D Bryant

JJ

AJ Green

M Evans (yup - he's right there)

B Marshall

Julius Thomas

Gronk

J Graham

Josh Gordon

OBJ

These are the guys who would likely excel regardless of QB/double teams/offensive scheme. Amazing to see 2 rookies btw.

Jordy

Alshon

D Jax

M Wallace

etc.

These are the more situation-ally dependent and that list goes on a while.

OB easily gravitates up on that list. The TE's - well TE's. And his team situation looks to not impede his progress and he's not looking like an injury prone player. High ceiling for sure but would you take him over Dez or AB?

 

[rjv]

He's pretty much a lock for 100/1500/10 w/ upside.

That puts him on the 'list'

Calvin

AB

Demarius

D Bryant

JJ

AJ Green

M Evans (yup - he's right there)

B Marshall

Julius Thomas

Gronk

J Graham

Josh Gordon

OBJ

These are the guys who would likely excel regardless of QB/double teams/offensive scheme. Amazing to see 2 rookies btw.

Jordy

Alshon

D Jax

M Wallace

etc.

These are the more situation-ally dependent and that list goes on a while.

OB easily gravitates up on that list. The TE's - well TE's. And his team situation looks to not impede his progress and he's not looking like an injury prone player. High ceiling for sure but would you take him over Dez or AB?

Great post but Gordon won't be on any of my lists due to him being a knucklehead and can't seem to stay out of trouble.

 

[Gandalf]

You can't always reason out why Calvin can be covered well enough to have a less than stellar game, but it happens. It's not like Rice had 100 yard 6 catch games every time he stepped on the field. Jimmy Graham, Tony G or Gates younger, Shannon Sharpe...there were no Safeties big enough and no LBers fast enough...theoretically they would have all had awesome games every Sunday, but it didn't happen.

Beckham Jr had an outstanding season. He may be in their class. This season looks as such but I'm apprehensive to put any rookie in the HOF.

I would take Antonio over him because I don't have any fear of a sophomore slump or whatever. He has continued to do well and I feel more comfy with Antonio. Also, I like Ben way better than Eli.

Calvin, Julio, Dez....these other guys...my favorite spot (already) for next season will be grabbing the one that falls to me.

This pretty much sums it up for me

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Cruz - 80/1519/9 on 127 targets in his last 14 games.

Beckham - 91/1305/12 on 130 targets in 12 games.

no way those numbers are right for victor cruz in his last 14

I think the OP meant what Cruz did in 2011.

 

[Gandalf]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

Exactly!

 

[EastonBlues22]

Beckham is the perfect sell high player. Everyone wants him, you can get almost anything you want for him, and nobody is going to look past his rookie season to anticipate the likely per-touch production regression, target regression, and impending QB decline.

He looks like he's going to be a very good player in this league for a long time, but I'm not hesitating at all if I can turn him into Julio Jones.

 

[Jed]

there wll be a regression....no way he sustains the pace....it would be video game crazy

see Jimmy Graham and Keenan Allen and all the owners that chased their stats from last year and drafted accordingly....

with that said....he is a beast and should be in the conversation of WR1-WR5 in drafts next year.....

NYG didn't have a ton to play for and I think Eli almost treated him as that "bonus" slot/area you shoot for when playing pinball....what the hell let me chuck it his way and see if I keep hitting the jackpot....

NFL teams will adjust and make "somebody else" beat them because he has shown he deserves that type of attention....but he has also shown that he can maybe still play through some of that......the fact that he carried many teams to fantasy titles this year (ala graham and Allen last year) I think will have his ADP heading into 2015 a little higher than it should be.....I think you have to expect some regression and you should draft/trade/etc accordingly....

Randle had his best weeks as a Giant in the last few. Eli will throw to whoever is open... it's just that Beckham is open 90% of the time.

 

[FUBAR]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

well, your offer was Dez for OBJ plus a move up (even if slight).

I wouldn't trade him for Thomas right now. Dez is close IMO.

In the one league I have OBJ he's virtually untradeable but that's due to the salary cap and his friendly contract. He's the cheapest top 20 player by far. Other than QBs who aren't locks to start next year, the only players with a similar salary in the top 50 are Jeremy Hill and Justin Forsett. Neither of which are worth OBJ.

He was the #1 receiver per game, that's a fine ceiling. He's more likely top 5-10, but that's about all we can say for any of these guys.

 

[shadyridr]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

hes definitely worth more than DT in a dynasty. Peyton Manning is an old man and throwing ducks this year. Something is wrong with him. DTs days as a stud WR are numbered.

 

[Gandalf]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

hes definitely worth more than DT in a dynasty. Peyton Manning is an old man and throwing ducks this year. Something is wrong with him. DTs days as a stud WR are numbered.

DT did fine with Tebow.

 

[Gandalf]

#1 overall??? OBJ's value will never be higher than it is today.

 

[shadyridr]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

hes definitely worth more than DT in a dynasty. Peyton Manning is an old man and throwing ducks this year. Something is wrong with him. DTs days as a stud WR are numbered.

DT did fine with Tebow.

32-551-4 is fine?

 

[Gandalf]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

hes definitely worth more than DT in a dynasty. Peyton Manning is an old man and throwing ducks this year. Something is wrong with him. DTs days as a stud WR are numbered.

DT did fine with Tebow.

32-551-4 is fine?

In 10 games started coming off a torn Achilles. Yes.

 

[FUBAR]

#1 overall??? OBJ's value will never be higher than it is today.

kind of hard to gain in value from #1 overall.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The gist of my back and forth with Adam is that he thinks its the smart bet that Beckham will never touch these production levels again in his career and it would be a bad move to take him as the WR1 next year and I think since we have never seen a rookie WR set the bar this high, we should be open to Beckham as a generational talent, doing things we thought were impossible before him - such as getting over 100 yds/game w no camp or preseason and a late start to the season, so I won't talk folks out of it, although I probably wouldn't do it.

 

[Gandalf]

The gist of my back and forth with Adam is that he thinks its the smart bet that Beckham will never touch these production levels again in his career and it would be a bad move to take him as the WR1 next year and I think since we have never seen a rookie WR set the bar this high, we should be open to Beckham as a generational talent, doing things we thought were impossible before him - such as getting over 100 yds/game w no camp or preseason and a late start to the season, so I won't talk folks out of it, although I probably wouldn't do it.

I am on the Adam side of things. No question he's a WR1 in my mind. I'm just leery of 'new era' or 'this time it's different' thinking and will let others take him 1st overall. The most likely scenario is that defenses start to figure out a way to contain him. It's not a knock on OBJ but the most likely thing that will happen in 2015.

 

[pizzatyme]

I haven't read this entire thread but is there any danger of Cruz coming back into the picture and causing some of the regression? For the record, I think ODB and Antonio Brown should be top 5 WRs next year without question, just wondering what the group think is here on Cruz.

 

[theplayer11]

If Calvin was a #5-6 overall pick, then Beckham is. I'm taking him if drafting in a spot where the top 3-4 RBs are gone. Without question.

 

[Jed]

I haven't read this entire thread but is there any danger of Cruz coming back into the picture and causing some of the regression? For the record, I think ODB and Antonio Brown should be top 5 WRs next year without question, just wondering what the group think is here on Cruz.

Cruz will probably never be the same. Nobody comes back 100% from that injury. In fact, Giants will probably use high pick on a WR.

 

[Jed]

If Calvin was a #5-6 overall pick, then Beckham is. I'm taking him if drafting in a spot where the top 3-4 RBs are gone. Without question.

I think that's what it comes down to. You take the top 5 workhorse RB's over Beckham because WR is so deep, but that's about it.

 

[matuski]

Would love to see him go against Seattle. That's the true litmus test for a receiver, imo.

What's so funny? I haven't gotten the chance to watch much football this year. So he played Seattle and tore them up. He's the next Jerry Rice, I'm with the program now.

Worst backpedal ever?

 

[netnalp]

I haven't read this entire thread but is there any danger of Cruz coming back into the picture and causing some of the regression? For the record, I think ODB and Antonio Brown should be top 5 WRs next year without question, just wondering what the group think is here on Cruz.

Cruz will probably never be the same. Nobody comes back 100% from that injury. In fact, Giants will probably use high pick on a WR.

Report that Cruz is running on a treadmill as of late December. I'm still in the camp that he won't be back to what he was and will be the slot WR.

 

[netnalp]

there wll be a regression....no way he sustains the pace....it would be video game crazy

see Jimmy Graham and Keenan Allen and all the owners that chased their stats from last year and drafted accordingly....

with that said....he is a beast and should be in the conversation of WR1-WR5 in drafts next year.....

NYG didn't have a ton to play for and I think Eli almost treated him as that "bonus" slot/area you shoot for when playing pinball....what the hell let me chuck it his way and see if I keep hitting the jackpot....

NFL teams will adjust and make "somebody else" beat them because he has shown he deserves that type of attention....but he has also shown that he can maybe still play through some of that......the fact that he carried many teams to fantasy titles this year (ala graham and Allen last year) I think will have his ADP heading into 2015 a little higher than it should be.....I think you have to expect some regression and you should draft/trade/etc accordingly....

Randle had his best weeks as a Giant in the last few. Eli will throw to whoever is open... it's just that Beckham is open 90% of the time.

OBJ has shown even covered he's open. While not as tall as Plax, I think Eli will have the confidence that Beckham will come down with jump balls. I think Eli will fall back into forcing the ball to one WR.

Looks like a good 2015 schedule for OBJ. Only the Bills, Pats, SF, Philly, and Carolina Finished in the top 15 for pass defense for the 2014 season. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

Giants 2015 Opponents Set: The New York Giants will play the following teams in the 2015 NFL regular season:

Home Games:

• Dallas Cowboys
• Philadelphia Eagles
• Washington Redskins
• Atlanta Falcons
• Carolina Panthers
• New England Patriots
• New York Jets
• San Francisco 49ers

Away Games:

• Dallas Cowboys
• Philadelphia Eagles
• Washington Redskins
• New Orleans Saints
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers
• Buffalo Bills
• Miami Dolphins
• Minnesota Vikings

 

[msudaisy26]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

hes definitely worth more than DT in a dynasty. Peyton Manning is an old man and throwing ducks this year. Something is wrong with him. DTs days as a stud WR are numbered.

How does Green, Brown, Calvin and Julio consistently finish in the top 10 without Manning throwing to them? As long as the next Bronco quarterback isn't Tebow he will continue to be a top 10 guy.

 

[msudaisy26]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

hes definitely worth more than DT in a dynasty. Peyton Manning is an old man and throwing ducks this year. Something is wrong with him. DTs days as a stud WR are numbered.

DT did fine with Tebow.

32-551-4 is fine?

In 10 games started coming off a torn Achilles. Yes.

Tebow also averaged about 150 yards a game passing. DT was also only in his second year and got very little play time his first year.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

You are wrong. I have Dez/Thomas in a few leagues and easily trade either for OBJ. In the leagues I have OBJ there is not one player I swap for him straight.

 

[Gandalf]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

You are wrong. I have Dez/Thomas in a few leagues and easily trade either for OBJ. In the leagues I have OBJ there is not one player I swap for him straight.

And see I would swap OBJ straight up for Dez/Thomas. So to each their own

 

[ghostguy123]

Not sure what this is in response to. People arguing high draft position or pro-bowl snub, Either way, I think it's safe to say he's shown no ill effects from the preseason hamstring injury so don't see how this plays a part in either.

Interesting reading from Giants fans on draft day. See the comments,, http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11272159/odell-beckham-jr-injury-frustrates-tom-coughlin-new-york-giants

It's odd to miss months for a hammy when many people in the organization expect you back. Whatever the normal time is...they were thrown by how long he was out.

He surely didn't show a commitment/dedication to working with the team in the offseason

Will he miss the workouts this spring/summer?

On the one hand it's nice a player wants to be sure he's healthy, but what happens if he sprains his ankle? Out 2 months?

There was an oddness to it and I'm curious if it will be repeated at all in the future.

Are you trying to acquire him on the cheap? Or just new to the NFL? Possibly a Hungarian immigrant?

Not all injuries are created equal. Big muscle leg (quad, hammy) muscles can take a while to heal fully. Even when they feel good, all it takes is a little extra push to pop them.

Would you like a player 100% so that he can perform at an elite level like ODB did... Or would you see him rush back and reinjure himself; possibly having a lost season?

Yes I'm new to football that's how I was aware he had missed more time than anyone in a llllong time for a hamstring injury.

Take your insults somewhere else. This isn't a playground and we're not 13

please explain to us what you actually know about hamstring injuries.

 

[ghostguy123]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

You are wrong. I have Dez/Thomas in a few leagues and easily trade either for OBJ. In the leagues I have OBJ there is not one player I swap for him straight.

And see I would swap OBJ straight up for Dez/Thomas. So to each their own

Kind of a silly debate. They are all awesome. So yeah, to each their own.

If I have two leagues and have Dez in both, I would probably deal Dez for Becks in one of them.

 

[Gandalf]

Offered Dez Bryant + 1.07 for OBJ + 1.06 in one league...was declined.

Offered Demaryius for him and a bit more in another and the owner said he wouldn't even take Demaryius straight up for him.

Yea, he's not worth the value that he currently has. Sure, I like him. But no way he's worth more than Dez and Demaryius already. If someone is crazy enough to think he can keep up this pace throughout his career, sell high my friends. Sure its a different position, but look at Cam Newton and RGIII's rookie seasons. Alot of people were saying the same things about them. "If they can do this as rookies, they will only get better" / "how can a rookie season be a player's ceiling?"".

I think he's definitely a top 10 dynasty WR and someone I would gladly take as my WR1 in dynasty. But the overall WR1 right now, and people wanting more on top of Dez or Demaryius for him? No thanks.

You are wrong. I have Dez/Thomas in a few leagues and easily trade either for OBJ. In the leagues I have OBJ there is not one player I swap for him straight.

And see I would swap OBJ straight up for Dez/Thomas. So to each their own

Kind of a silly debate. They are all awesome. So yeah, to each their own.

If I have two leagues and have Dez in both, I would probably deal Dez for Becks in one of them.

Oh I agree. That was sort of my point. It's a silly debate over whose the best WR. I think the WR1 are all basically in the same tier.

 

[ghostguy123]

And to the people saying "there will be a regression"......so what??????

He can still be the #1 dynasty WR with regression. Hell he can still be the #1 dynasty WR with a fair amount of regression.

 

[Gandalf]

And to the people saying "there will be a regression"......so what??????

He can still be the #1 dynasty WR with regression. Hell he can still be the #1 dynasty WR with a fair amount of regression.

I agree with that too

 

[netnalp]

The only foreseeable concern in Dynasty is that he'll have a QB change when he could be at his peak with ability and experience.

 

[ghostguy123]

The only foreseeable concern in Dynasty is that he'll have a QB change when he could be at his peak with ability and experience.

Insert any WR's name and you can say this.

 

[Banger]

Beckham is the perfect sell high player. Everyone wants him, you can get almost anything you want for him, and nobody is going to look past his rookie season to anticipate the likely per-touch production regression, target regression, and impending QB decline.

He looks like he's going to be a very good player in this league for a long time, but I'm not hesitating at all if I can turn him into Julio Jones.

Huh? Julio is in his 4th year and had his best season this year and Beckham out scored him by 14 points in 3 fewer games.

 

[EastonBlues22]

Beckham is the perfect sell high player. Everyone wants him, you can get almost anything you want for him, and nobody is going to look past his rookie season to anticipate the likely per-touch production regression, target regression, and impending QB decline.

He looks like he's going to be a very good player in this league for a long time, but I'm not hesitating at all if I can turn him into Julio Jones.

Huh? Julio is in his 4th year and had his best season this year and Beckham out scored him by 14 points in 3 fewer games.

Largely on the strength of scoring 12 TDs to Julio's 6. Even if you think Beckham's other rate stats are sustainable, his TD rate obviously isn't and Jones' was below his career average. Even that out and you get the guy who's played great for 12 games vs the guy who's played great for almost 50. I'll take the more proven guy who will be playing with Ryan for the next four years or so.

 

[golfguy]

Beckham is the perfect sell high player. Everyone wants him, you can get almost anything you want for him, and nobody is going to look past his rookie season to anticipate the likely per-touch production regression, target regression, and impending QB decline.

He looks like he's going to be a very good player in this league for a long time, but I'm not hesitating at all if I can turn him into Julio Jones.

Huh? Julio is in his 4th year and had his best season this year and Beckham out scored him by 14 points in 3 fewer games.

6 points in my league, and I don't see anyway that the # targets that ODB had over his 12 games is sustainable. he basically had 115 targets in 9 games. The two games against defensive in the top 10 against the pass no tds, and 13 catches for 201 yards. yes he put up great stats and he is legit, but they played a very soft schedule against the pass this year, and they were always losing and throwing the ball from behind.

 

[Zyphros]

I'm curious if I should dangle him out for a trade. Although I'm finishing up a rebuild with him and Evans anchoring my WRs. Doubt I'd get what I want. Still a tempting idea considering all the hype.

 

[Synthesizer]

Beckham is the perfect sell high player. Everyone wants him, you can get almost anything you want for him, and nobody is going to look past his rookie season to anticipate the likely per-touch production regression, target regression, and impending QB decline.

He looks like he's going to be a very good player in this league for a long time, but I'm not hesitating at all if I can turn him into Julio Jones.

Huh? Julio is in his 4th year and had his best season this year and Beckham out scored him by 14 points in 3 fewer games.

6 points in my league, and I don't see anyway that the # targets that ODB had over his 12 games is sustainable. he basically had 115 targets in 9 games. The two games against defensive in the top 10 against the pass no tds, and 13 catches for 201 yards. yes he put up great stats and he is legit, but they played a very soft schedule against the pass this year, and they were always losing and throwing the ball from behind.

You are counting it against him that he averaged 100 ypg against top 10 defenses? Did any other WR accomplish that?

 

[golfguy]

Beckham is the perfect sell high player. Everyone wants him, you can get almost anything you want for him, and nobody is going to look past his rookie season to anticipate the likely per-touch production regression, target regression, and impending QB decline.

He looks like he's going to be a very good player in this league for a long time, but I'm not hesitating at all if I can turn him into Julio Jones.

Huh? Julio is in his 4th year and had his best season this year and Beckham out scored him by 14 points in 3 fewer games.

6 points in my league, and I don't see anyway that the # targets that ODB had over his 12 games is sustainable. he basically had 115 targets in 9 games. The two games against defensive in the top 10 against the pass no tds, and 13 catches for 201 yards. yes he put up great stats and he is legit, but they played a very soft schedule against the pass this year, and they were always losing and throwing the ball from behind.

You are counting it against him that he averaged 100 ypg against top 10 defenses? Did any other WR accomplish that?

not counting it against him, just saying his stats were great, but they didn't play tough defenses that's all. they schedule was soft, and their defense sucked. so they threw the ball a ton. his target # don't seem sustainable to me. there is some player every year at this time that gets super hyped up, especially in dynasty leagues. it really adds fuel when a guy helps teams win championships (especially in redrafts). he is great, but I wouldn't put him as the #1 overall dynasty wr, let alone #1 overall dynasty player.