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WR Odell Beckham, Jr., Free Agent (3 Viewers)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
South Beach here he comes
-Just a feeling
Dallas is another option
It won't take a lot of money to sign him at this point.
He's a No 3/4 type for passing situations but that's about it.
-Just a feeling
Dallas is another option
It won't take a lot of money to sign him at this point.
He's a No 3/4 type for passing situations but that's about it.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He got $15M plus bonuses last year. He certainly doesn’t view himself as a situational or backup guy. Not sure what a lot of money is, but I am sure he is pushing for $10-12M on a one year deal. Spotrac has his market value listed at $11.9 million. Is that “a lot of money”?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I don't think he'll get it or he would have already...ESPN played a quick sound bite on him saying "I can still play football" and that sounds desperate to me...
He's patient so maybe he waits until training camp opens but I see him more as a 1yr $6M-$8M type w/incentives to get there, what did he really do in Baltimore last year?
Turns 32, lower body injuries have slowed him down, 35/500/3TDs last year, I might be projecting his market a little high actually
His last decent seasons was 2019-74/1,000...he missed all of 2022, he's not the same WR he once was. Baltimore was foolish to pay him as much as they did
I hope he doesn't come to Miami but there are rumors he's in contact with the Dolphins and has expressed interest, Thomas from the Saints as well.
Miami signed Braxton Berrios back to a 1 yr deal
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IIRC, OBJ signed in the second week of April last offseason after sitting a season and ended up making $16M for 2023. I don’t think we can conclude there’s no market for him because he hasn’t signed yet. I agree that he should not be considered a great option for a team and have voiced my option for the past several years. We’ll see if his injury history and limited production has caught up to him.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think he got away with a huge heist and it likely won't happen again. I think there was near-universal surprise at the amount of that deal, and I'd be surprised if a team ponies up anywhere near that given his limited production last year. I'm thinking half of what he made, but who knows what the market will bear? It could surprise. I just doubt it
This stuff has gotten kind of comical, the good bye posts. Used to be something just a few players did after usually illustrious careers in a city.
I know it's not the same thing as taking out a full page add like the old days but seeing Odell do this about the same day Pickett did just left me shaking my head. The ego to think the fan base actually misses them.
Beckham in Miami would be an excellent fit. I don't think people realize how well Beckham was playing late in the season. Its not there in the counting stats, but he was making big plays and making tough catches for a few weeks right when Andrews got hurt, until defenses decided he was the #1 threat when he was out there, then Flowers got hot against #2 coverage.
Put him in Miami, where he'll never be viewed as higher than the #3, and he'll destroy probably every team's #3 CB. Also, would probably completely dash any hope of Jonnu Smith being a major part of Miami's passing game, but that was kind of a pipe dream anyway, I think.
Beckham isn't the player he was in New York, that guy is gone forever. But he's still a good WR. I know there is durability risks, but as a #3 WR, he's a scary weapon for defenses to deal with. He's that "so overrated he's now underrated" guy in my opinion.
Put him in Miami, where he'll never be viewed as higher than the #3, and he'll destroy probably every team's #3 CB. Also, would probably completely dash any hope of Jonnu Smith being a major part of Miami's passing game, but that was kind of a pipe dream anyway, I think.
Beckham isn't the player he was in New York, that guy is gone forever. But he's still a good WR. I know there is durability risks, but as a #3 WR, he's a scary weapon for defenses to deal with. He's that "so overrated he's now underrated" guy in my opinion.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
One thing to keep in mind is that Lamar Jackson and the Ravens were at an impasse when OBJ signed. The general consensus was that Baltimore overpaid for Beckham but that it helped grease the skids to get the deal done with Jackson. Believe it or not, but that's what most of the plugged-in beat writers seemed to think.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I do, because I watched it.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
OBJ only had three games last season with 50+ receiving yards (out of 16 games counting the playoffs). His combined totals on the season including the post season were 39-599-3. He averaged 37,4 yards/gm . . . which ranked 63rd among WR that played in 10 or more games. Sure, he played well against CIN and LAR (8-213-1) . . . but the flip side to that is he only put up 31-386-2 in 14 other games. Not really sure there is a great story to tell there.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I wouldn't even attempt to argue that his numbers equaled his salary. I'm saying that he drew a lot of attention from the defenses he was playing against - blame them for that, if you will - and he made some huge plays at critical times for Baltimore.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I think hes got one more good season in him
Yep. He was drawing #1 coverage, not Flowers.
I'd happily take him as a #3 WR on pretty much any team.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
This guy hasn't broken 600 receiving yards in a season since 2019, and we are supposed to believe he is still a legit weapon? Come on, now. He was awesome his first three seasons in the league, no doubt about it, but that guy is long gone.
Alberta Clipper
Footballguy
I'd pay him $1 MIL per game that he starts and plays >70% of the snaps
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
Decent best ball late round pick. Can he get open against a team's #1 / #2 defensive back? Well, no, but against a team's #3 DB and safeties, you might mistake him for a young ODB out there. I'm not going to promise you the world, but in best ball formats he still has something to give.
Yes, for half a decade he was very effective and exceptionally exciting. Hate to call him a “grifter” but it’s probably an accurate term for his current status.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There's no doubt that Odell was special his early years with the Giants. That prompted me to explore how "good as anyone" he actually was. I used receiving yards over a consecutive 5-year stretch going back to 1960. Who knows if there are better barometers, but that's what I went with. I only considered the best 5-year stretch for a player, so one WR likely had multiple 5-year stretches that would have made the list (but the list would have been too long). I admit the list is flawed, as the number of games played has varied over the years.
OBJ's best 5 consecutive seasons ranked him as the #62 player on the list. He's not even the best NYG WR . . . Amani Toomer came in at #47. It makes you really appreciate Julio Jones.
| Julio Jones | 7993 |
| Antonio Brown | 7848 |
| Marvin Harrison | 7594 |
| Calvin Johnson | 7428 |
| Torry Holt | 7368 |
| Jerry Rice | 7305 |
| Michael Irvin | 7093 |
| Randy Moss | 7062 |
| Tyreek Hill | 6884 |
| Demaryius Thomas | 6878 |
| Chad Johnson | 6870 |
| Davante Adams | 6826 |
| Jimmy Smith | 6728 |
| DeAndre Hopkins | 6635 |
| Wes Welker | 6584 |
| Roddy White | 6571 |
| Lance Alworth | 6542 |
| Larry Fitzgerald | 6480 |
| Terrell Owens | 6465 |
| Andre Johnson | 6450 |
| Travis Kelce | 6444 |
| Herman Moore | 6431 |
| Rod Smith | 6367 |
| Stefon Diggs | 6365 |
| Tim Brown | 6343 |
| Joe Horn | 6289 |
| Reggie Wayne | 6284 |
| Brandon Marshall | 6253 |
| Sterling Sharpe | 6224 |
| Mike Evans | 6211 |
| A.J. Green | 6171 |
| T.Y, Hilton | 6153 |
| Steve Smith | 6134 |
| Michael Thomas | 5950 |
| A.J. Brown | 5947 |
| Henry Ellard | 5941 |
| Charlie Hennigan | 5932 |
| Cris Carter | 5930 |
| Isaac Bruce | 5925 |
| Keenan Allen | 5918 |
| Justin Jefferson | 5899 |
| Eric Moulds | 5879 |
| James Lofton | 5877 |
| Art Powell | 5843 |
| Donald Driver | 5784 |
| D.J. Moore | 5777 |
| Amani Toomer | 5731 |
| Don Maynard | 5727 |
| Irving Fryar | 5701 |
| Derrick Mason | 5684 |
| Gary Clark | 5639 |
| Andre Rison | 5633 |
| Cooper Kupp | 5632 |
| Antonio Freeman | 5586 |
| Amari Cooper | 5578 |
| Greg Jennings | 5546 |
| Keyshawn Johnson | 5529 |
| Anquan Boldin | 5525 |
| Tony Martin | 5517 |
| Rob Moore | 5499 |
| Bobby Mitchell | 5496 |
| Odell Beckham, Jr. | 5476 |
Anarchy99
Footballguy
You didn't fully explain what you meant. Yes, he was exceptional in the beginning . . .
Receiving yards per game through first 5 seasons:
Lance Alworth - 99.14
Justin Jefferson - 98.32
Julio Jones - 95.40
OBJ - 92.81
Charlie Hennigan - 88.54
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There are a lot of ways to define "as good as anyone." Again, initially you didn't specify what that meant. I wasn't arguing with you . . . I was agreeing with you.
Tau837
Footballguy
Splitting hairs here, but I disagree since you drew the distinction. "Among the very best to ever play the position" is absolutely true. Besides, we know there is more to defining the very best to ever play the position than yards per game.
I would leave it at saying that Beckham was great early in his career when he played, then he wasn't for various reasons. He burned bright and then faded hard.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Dude has been stealing money for 7 years based on a couple hot seasons and a one handed catch.
Five years over 1,000 yards but the last four years (and this coming year) would justify ”grand larceny” charges.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Dolphins would be stupid not to activate and immediately trade him to a team like the Chargers or Chiefs. Get what you can get (if he doesn't have a no trade clause). If he's healthy, I feel like you could get at least a 4th for him.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
He’s washed
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
A washed OBJ is likely still better than a lot of what these teams are putting on the field. If you were a GM on a WR starved contender, wouldn't you at least kick the tires? If your answer is no, you shouldn't be an NFL GM. The cost is next to nothing, the potential is grand.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
Nah, the Chiefs are better off with what they have than an unmotivated past his prime injury prone OBJ .. He hasn’t done anything in the last 5 years
Not really. Sky Moore, Juju, Watson, and Hardman are not the answer. OBJ is better than all those dudes.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I could see someone inquiring, I would be shocked if anyone would be willing to pay a 4th for him at this point however.
Link?
(He was in the top 30 in receptions in 2019 and the top 25 in 2018, though admittedly he has fallen off a cliff in the past 4 years for a variety of reasons)
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
He also looked well on his way to a Super Bowl MVP with the Rams until he blew out his knee. That happened in February 2022. There's good reason to think he could come back and be productive for a team like the Chiefs.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Likely not but his small contract helps the Dolphins' cause. I suppose it depends on what he looks like.
