WR Rashee Rice, KC (6 Viewers)

[smbkrypt24]

I like Rice and all but I think those expecting him to continue where he left off in 2024 will be disappointed. 32 percent target share isn't happening with Worthy now established, Brown healthy and Kelce still hanging around and supposedly in better shape this year.

I am buying in on Mahomes though . Traded for him in one dynasty and took him in a startup. Best weapons he has had in the last 3 seasons and I am buying into Fat Andy and Mahomes wanting to get back to throwing the ball all over the field.

I can get behind the more weapons with worthy added. But Real question..why do you believe Kelce is in better shape this year?

 

[efactor]

I like Rice and all but I think those expecting him to continue where he left off in 2024 will be disappointed. 32 percent target share isn't happening with Worthy now established, Brown healthy and Kelce still hanging around and supposedly in better shape this year.

I am buying in on Mahomes though . Traded for him in one dynasty and took him in a startup. Best weapons he has had in the last 3 seasons and I am buying into Fat Andy and Mahomes wanting to get back to throwing the ball all over the field.

I can get behind the more weapons with worthy added. But Real question..why do you believe Kelce is in better shape this year?

Just based on comments Mahomes made and Kelce claiming he was. Certainly don't claim it as fact, which is why I used "supposedly"

Edit to add: He "supposedly" has lost 25 pounds. He did look flabby last season. Understandable with his busy social life, but seems like he wants to make potentially his last season a good one.

 

[Dez]

This is why you draft early. I just looked at my 1st underdog draft of the year I did right after the NFL Draft. I got Rice in round 4. His ADP is now pick 24.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I like Rice and all but I think those expecting him to continue where he left off in 2024 will be disappointed. 32 percent target share isn't happening with Worthy now established, Brown healthy and Kelce still hanging around and supposedly in better shape this year.

I am buying in on Mahomes though . Traded for him in one dynasty and took him in a startup. Best weapons he has had in the last 3 seasons and I am buying into Fat Andy and Mahomes wanting to get back to throwing the ball all over the field.

I can get behind the more weapons with worthy added. But Real question..why do you believe Kelce is in better shape this year?

Just based on comments Mahomes made and Kelce claiming he was. Certainly don't claim it as fact, which is why I used "supposedly"

Edit to add: He "supposedly" has lost 25 pounds. He did look flabby last season. Understandable with his busy social life, but seems like he wants to make potentially his last season a good one.

“Best shape of his life SZN”

 

[Cobbler1]

I like Rice and all but I think those expecting him to continue where he left off in 2024 will be disappointed. 32 percent target share isn't happening with Worthy now established, Brown healthy and Kelce still hanging around and supposedly in better shape this year.

I am buying in on Mahomes though . Traded for him in one dynasty and took him in a startup. Best weapons he has had in the last 3 seasons and I am buying into Fat Andy and Mahomes wanting to get back to throwing the ball all over the field.

I don’t know how established I’d consider Worthy. He put up pretty mediocre wr stats when you consider he had virtually no competition in the wr room all year and he had a very bad 6.5 y/target. Rice had far better overall stats and averaged 9.2 y/target as a rookie.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I like Rice and all but I think those expecting him to continue where he left off in 2024 will be disappointed. 32 percent target share isn't happening with Worthy now established, Brown healthy and Kelce still hanging around and supposedly in better shape this year.

I am buying in on Mahomes though . Traded for him in one dynasty and took him in a startup. Best weapons he has had in the last 3 seasons and I am buying into Fat Andy and Mahomes wanting to get back to throwing the ball all over the field.

I don’t know how established I’d consider Worthy. He put up pretty mediocre wr stats when you consider he had virtually no competition in the wr room all year and he had a very bad 6.5 y/target. Rice had far better overall stats and averaged 9.2 y/target as a rookie.

I agree. I also see them as vastly different WRs with vastly different skill sets.

Rice is 6’1, 205, Worthy is 5’11, 172-ish

I don’t see any overlap there. I do however see a ton of overlap between Hollywood Brown (5’9”, 180) & Worthy - I believe they’re going to eat into each others numbers.

We’re all just guessing here, but I see Rice as a much more established prototypical X WR. Bigger route tree, 1st look from Mahomes type. Were I a betting man, I’d put all my $ on Rice being the clear WR1 on the Chiefs.

 

[smbkrypt24]

I like Rice and all but I think those expecting him to continue where he left off in 2024 will be disappointed. 32 percent target share isn't happening with Worthy now established, Brown healthy and Kelce still hanging around and supposedly in better shape this year.

I am buying in on Mahomes though . Traded for him in one dynasty and took him in a startup. Best weapons he has had in the last 3 seasons and I am buying into Fat Andy and Mahomes wanting to get back to throwing the ball all over the field.

I can get behind the more weapons with worthy added. But Real question..why do you believe Kelce is in better shape this year?

Just based on comments Mahomes made and Kelce claiming he was. Certainly don't claim it as fact, which is why I used "supposedly"

Edit to add: He "supposedly" has lost 25 pounds. He did look flabby last season. Understandable with his busy social life, but seems like he wants to make potentially his last season a good one.

I don’t put any stock into the “I am in better/best shape ever” lines right now. Just don’t think it’s possible for every player to ever play football.

 

[TheWinz]

Michael Thomas has the best career catch percentage by a wide receiver, at 76.0 percent.
That's only because Rashee Rice doesn't qualify yet.

 

[darksideofoz]

I like Rice and all but I think those expecting him to continue where he left off in 2024 will be disappointed. 32 percent target share isn't happening with Worthy now established, Brown healthy and Kelce still hanging around and supposedly in better shape this year.

I am buying in on Mahomes though . Traded for him in one dynasty and took him in a startup. Best weapons he has had in the last 3 seasons and I am buying into Fat Andy and Mahomes wanting to get back to throwing the ball all over the field.

I can get behind the more weapons with worthy added. But Real question..why do you believe Kelce is in better shape this year?

Just based on comments Mahomes made and Kelce claiming he was. Certainly don't claim it as fact, which is why I used "supposedly"

Edit to add: He "supposedly" has lost 25 pounds. He did look flabby last season. Understandable with his busy social life, but seems like he wants to make potentially his last season a good one.

saw him on the stanley cup finals the other night and he did look like he lost a bunch of weight from last year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

saw him on the stanley cup finals the other night and he did look like he lost a bunch of weight from last year.

I’m not sure that’s a good thing with a TE. He looked his normal size last year, he just looked slow and old.

Maybe the weight loss will help with that, but will he still be as dominant at a lighter weight.

 

[efactor]

saw him on the stanley cup finals the other night and he did look like he lost a bunch of weight from last year.

I’m not sure that’s a good thing with a TE. He looked his normal size last year, he just looked slow and old.

Maybe the weight loss will help with that, but will he still be as dominant at a lighter weight.

Strongly disagree on the bolded. He had a roll around his mid section which is why he looked old and slow compared to 2023.

Obviously not expecting 2017 Kelce but won't be surprised if he has a better season as far as YPC.

Plus, he's not REALLY a TE. Big slot receiver.

 

[efactor]

I like Rice and all but I think those expecting him to continue where he left off in 2024 will be disappointed. 32 percent target share isn't happening with Worthy now established, Brown healthy and Kelce still hanging around and supposedly in better shape this year.

I am buying in on Mahomes though . Traded for him in one dynasty and took him in a startup. Best weapons he has had in the last 3 seasons and I am buying into Fat Andy and Mahomes wanting to get back to throwing the ball all over the field.

I don’t know how established I’d consider Worthy. He put up pretty mediocre wr stats when you consider he had virtually no competition in the wr room all year and he had a very bad 6.5 y/target. Rice had far better overall stats and averaged 9.2 y/target as a rookie.

Well, Worthy was a rookie. If you’re saying he didn’t look better towards time end of the season, I guess we have a completely different viewpoint.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Plus, he's not REALLY a TE. Big slot receiver.

Yeah but he does use his size to box out defenders. Dude is big and strong.

I guess time will tell. I agree he could return to form a bit, but man - he looked really, really bad.

 

[FarFromHome]

Plus, he's not REALLY a TE. Big slot receiver.

Yeah but he does use his size to box out defenders. Dude is big and strong.

I guess time will tell. I agree he could return to form a bit, but man - he looked really, really bad.

A big slot receiver they use to run block with? Ha ha. Ya, when he is running routes I see the wr comparisons, but not many wrs are used like him in the running game. Maybe his weight loss changes that? Dudes 35. He can see the end. I think if Rice stayed healthy last year we would have seen the official passing of the torch as Mahomes first read. Imo

 

[efactor]

Plus, he's not REALLY a TE. Big slot receiver.

Yeah but he does use his size to box out defenders. Dude is big and strong.

I guess time will tell. I agree he could return to form a bit, but man - he looked really, really bad.

A big slot receiver they use to run block with? Ha ha. Ya, when he is running routes I see the wr comparisons, but not many wrs are used like him in the running game. Maybe his weight loss changes that? Dudes 35. He can see the end. I think if Rice stayed healthy last year we would have seen the official passing of the torch as Mahomes first read. Imo

Not a KC expert but he seemed to be off the field a lot on running plays last year. Maybe not though. Never thought of him as much of a blocker.

 

[kutta]

Just jumping in on the Rice vs. JSN discussion. I’m a huge JSN fan, and would not trade him straight up for Rice. Admittedly I’m biased because I drafted him at 1.03 a couple years ago, but I really believe JSN is a superstar about to burst onto the scene.

I do like Rice though too. But I’d need more to swap for JSN.

 

[Penguin]

Just jumping in on the Rice vs. JSN discussion. I’m a huge JSN fan, and would not trade him straight up for Rice. Admittedly I’m biased because I drafted him at 1.03 a couple years ago, but I really believe JSN is a superstar about to burst onto the scene.

I do like Rice though too. But I’d need more to swap for JSN.

I'm of similar opinion. I really like both but JSN is 2 years younger with less risk and a cleaner path to more targets

 

[joey]

Just jumping in on the Rice vs. JSN discussion. I’m a huge JSN fan, and would not trade him straight up for Rice. Admittedly I’m biased because I drafted him at 1.03 a couple years ago, but I really believe JSN is a superstar about to burst onto the scene.

I do like Rice though too. But I’d need more to swap for JSN.

I'm of similar opinion. I really like both but JSN is 2 years younger with less risk and a cleaner path to more targets

I only roster Rice in one league but if someone offered me JSN for him, I’d jump at it.

 

[starks]

Acquired rice last year after his injury, sent tank bigsby and a 3rd

 

[King of the Jungle]

Acquired rice last year after his injury, sent tank bigsby and a 3rd

That is a great buy low, although not sure what the other owner was thinking.

 

[starks]

Acquired rice last year after his injury, sent tank bigsby and a 3rd

That is a great buy low, although not sure what the other owner was thinking.

He sent the offer to me, I smashed it like a mosquito.

 

[Raging weasel]

Just jumping in on the Rice vs. JSN discussion. I’m a huge JSN fan, and would not trade him straight up for Rice. Admittedly I’m biased because I drafted him at 1.03 a couple years ago, but I really believe JSN is a superstar about to burst onto the scene.

I do like Rice though too. But I’d need more to swap for JSN.

I'm of similar opinion. I really like both but JSN is 2 years younger with less risk and a cleaner path to more targets

I only roster Rice in one league but if someone offered me JSN for him, I’d jump at it.

Would you take Lamb and 3.4 for Rice, 1.1 and 2.1?

 

[kutta]

Just jumping in on the Rice vs. JSN discussion. I’m a huge JSN fan, and would not trade him straight up for Rice. Admittedly I’m biased because I drafted him at 1.03 a couple years ago, but I really believe JSN is a superstar about to burst onto the scene.

I do like Rice though too. But I’d need more to swap for JSN.

I'm of similar opinion. I really like both but JSN is 2 years younger with less risk and a cleaner path to more targets

I only roster Rice in one league but if someone offered me JSN for him, I’d jump at it.

Would you take Lamb and 3.4 for Rice, 1.1 and 2.1?

That’s a tough one. I think it would depend on my roster. If I didn’t really need Jeanty and I was competing now, I’d probably pass. But there are a lot of scenarios where I’d accept that.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Just jumping in on the Rice vs. JSN discussion. I’m a huge JSN fan, and would not trade him straight up for Rice. Admittedly I’m biased because I drafted him at 1.03 a couple years ago, but I really believe JSN is a superstar about to burst onto the scene.

I do like Rice though too. But I’d need more to swap for JSN.

I'm of similar opinion. I really like both but JSN is 2 years younger with less risk and a cleaner path to more targets

I only roster Rice in one league but if someone offered me JSN for him, I’d jump at it.

Would you take Lamb and 3.4 for Rice, 1.1 and 2.1?

That’s a tough one. I think it would depend on my roster. If I didn’t really need Jeanty and I was competing now, I’d probably pass. But there are a lot of scenarios where I’d accept that.

I think I would stick with Jeanty and take my chances on Rice. The 2.1 possibly lands you another WR dart throw (Burden, Golden, Higgins).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just jumping in on the Rice vs. JSN discussion. I’m a huge JSN fan, and would not trade him straight up for Rice. Admittedly I’m biased because I drafted him at 1.03 a couple years ago, but I really believe JSN is a superstar about to burst onto the scene.

I do like Rice though too. But I’d need more to swap for JSN.

I'm of similar opinion. I really like both but JSN is 2 years younger with less risk and a cleaner path to more targets

I only roster Rice in one league but if someone offered me JSN for him, I’d jump at it.

I would not. I believe JSN is safer but Rice has more upside. But that’s just me.

 

[joey]

Just jumping in on the Rice vs. JSN discussion. I’m a huge JSN fan, and would not trade him straight up for Rice. Admittedly I’m biased because I drafted him at 1.03 a couple years ago, but I really believe JSN is a superstar about to burst onto the scene.

I do like Rice though too. But I’d need more to swap for JSN.

I'm of similar opinion. I really like both but JSN is 2 years younger with less risk and a cleaner path to more targets

I only roster Rice in one league but if someone offered me JSN for him, I’d jump at it.

Would you take Lamb and 3.4 for Rice, 1.1 and 2.1?

That’s a tough one. I think it would depend on my roster. If I didn’t really need Jeanty and I was competing now, I’d probably pass. But there are a lot of scenarios where I’d accept that.

Agreed. Depends on roster. If I was deep enough behind Lamb (best case is another top 12 WR) then I’d probably make the trade and grab Jeanty + Rice + 2.1.

 

[Bossman]

Remember when this guy crashed a car going 100 mph, into a bunch of people in other cars... then swiftly left the scene of the accident?
Then charged with eight felony counts, including aggravated assault and collision involving serious bodily injury.
He apologized publicly, admitting guilt.
NFL did nothing about it.
It really feels like the NFL wants KC to win. Any other team and this guys serving a 4 game suspension at some point.

 

[JohnnyU]

Are people ignoring his injury last year as if it never happened?

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Are people ignoring his injury last year as if it never happened?

I don’t think so. I think people are remembering how many targets and receptions he had before the injury, and hearing how good he looks in OTAs.

If he doesn’t miss time from another injury or a suspension, he’s a league-winner. There were 5-6 weeks last year he carried my team with eye-popping numbers.

 

[socrates]

Remember when this guy crashed a car going 100 mph, into a bunch of people in other cars... then swiftly left the scene of the accident?
Then charged with eight felony counts, including aggravated assault and collision involving serious bodily injury.
He apologized publicly, admitting guilt.
NFL did nothing about it.
It really feels like the NFL wants KC to win. Any other team and this guys serving a 4 game suspension at some point.

I believe a significant suspension is still looming. How long did it take the league to suspend Kamara?

 

[Bossman]

Remember when this guy crashed a car going 100 mph, into a bunch of people in other cars... then swiftly left the scene of the accident?
Then charged with eight felony counts, including aggravated assault and collision involving serious bodily injury.
He apologized publicly, admitting guilt.
NFL did nothing about it.
It really feels like the NFL wants KC to win. Any other team and this guys serving a 4 game suspension at some point.

I believe a significant suspension is still looming. How long did it take the league to suspend Kamara?

The NFL's stance is that it is "waiting for the legal system to play out".
Well over a year and Rashee Rice still does not have a trial date for his 8 felony criminal charges. Maybe they're waiting for his career to be over.

 

[socrates]

Remember when this guy crashed a car going 100 mph, into a bunch of people in other cars... then swiftly left the scene of the accident?
Then charged with eight felony counts, including aggravated assault and collision involving serious bodily injury.
He apologized publicly, admitting guilt.
NFL did nothing about it.
It really feels like the NFL wants KC to win. Any other team and this guys serving a 4 game suspension at some point.

I believe a significant suspension is still looming. How long did it take the league to suspend Kamara?

The NFL's stance is that it is "waiting for the legal system to play out".
Well over a year and Rashee Rice still does not have a trial date for his 8 felony criminal charges. Maybe they're waiting for his career to be over.

It took a year and a half for Alvin Kamara to receive a suspension, and it did not happen until his court case had been resolved. The NFL is being consistent.

Alvin Kamara:

• February 2022: The incident in Las Vegas occurs.
• July 2023: Kamara pleads no contest to a misdemeanor charge.
• August 4, 2023: The NFL announces a three-game suspension.

Rashee Rice:

• March 30, 2024: The street racing incident in Dallas occurs.
• April 11, 2024: Dallas police issue an arrest warrant for Rice, and Rice turns himself in and is released on bond.
• Rice faces 8 felony charges, no court date has been set that I can find.
• No NFL suspension has been announced.

 

[starks]

Are people ignoring his injury last year as if it never happened?

It was freakish more than anything not like it was a non contact

 

[JohnnyU]

Are people ignoring his injury last year as if it never happened?

It was freakish more than anything not like it was a non contact

Not the point. Still an ACL tear. I wasn’t making a judgement about injury proneness.

 

[TheWinz]

Are people ignoring his injury last year as if it never happened?

It was freakish more than anything not like it was a non contact

Not the point. Still an ACL tear. I wasn’t making a judgement about injury proneness.

I'm no doctor, but I thought it was an LCL and not an ACL. A quick search says ACL is worse. Also, we have some great footage of Rashee doing drills, and he looks great.

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I think it's this video that's putting alot of Rashee truthers at peace.

 

[dblock05]

Not an ACL tear. He was on pace to finish as a top 3 wr

 

[JohnnyU]

Are people ignoring his injury last year as if it never happened?

It was freakish more than anything not like it was a non contact

Not the point. Still an ACL tear. I wasn’t making a judgement about injury proneness.

I'm no doctor, but I thought it was an LCL and not an ACL. A quick search says ACL is worse. Also, we have some great footage of Rashee doing drills, and he looks great.

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I think it's this video that's putting alot of Rashee truthers at peace.

Seen both ACL, then LCL and PCL. WTF?

 

[pinequick]

Are people ignoring his injury last year as if it never happened?

It was freakish more than anything not like it was a non contact

Not the point. Still an ACL tear. I wasn’t making a judgement about injury proneness.

I'm no doctor, but I thought it was an LCL and not an ACL. A quick search says ACL is worse. Also, we have some great footage of Rashee doing drills, and he looks great.

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I think it's this video that's putting alot of Rashee truthers at peace.

Seen both ACL, then LCL and PCL. WTF?

It was not the ACL. I am a Rice shareholder and paid close attention.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Are people ignoring his injury last year as if it never happened?

It was freakish more than anything not like it was a non contact

Not the point. Still an ACL tear. I wasn’t making a judgement about injury proneness.

I'm no doctor, but I thought it was an LCL and not an ACL. A quick search says ACL is worse. Also, we have some great footage of Rashee doing drills, and he looks great.

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I think it's this video that's putting alot of Rashee truthers at peace.

Seen both ACL, then LCL and PCL. WTF?

It was not ACL or PCL. Both of those ate inside the knee. He sprained the lateral and posterior part of the ligaments on the outside of the knee

 

[Bossman]

Remember when this guy crashed a car going 100 mph, into a bunch of people in other cars... then swiftly left the scene of the accident?
Then charged with eight felony counts, including aggravated assault and collision involving serious bodily injury.
He apologized publicly, admitting guilt.
NFL did nothing about it.
It really feels like the NFL wants KC to win. Any other team and this guys serving a 4 game suspension at some point.

I believe a significant suspension is still looming. How long did it take the league to suspend Kamara?

The NFL's stance is that it is "waiting for the legal system to play out".
Well over a year and Rashee Rice still does not have a trial date for his 8 felony criminal charges. Maybe they're waiting for his career to be over.

It took a year and a half for Alvin Kamara to receive a suspension, and it did not happen until his court case had been resolved. The NFL is being consistent.

Alvin Kamara:

• February 2022: The incident in Las Vegas occurs.
• July 2023: Kamara pleads no contest to a misdemeanor charge.
• August 4, 2023: The NFL announces a three-game suspension.

Rashee Rice:

• March 30, 2024: The street racing incident in Dallas occurs.
• April 11, 2024: Dallas police issue an arrest warrant for Rice, and Rice turns himself in and is released on bond.
• Rice faces 8 felony charges, no court date has been set that I can find.
• No NFL suspension has been announced.

I suppose in Kamara's case, there was still a slim chance he could be found not guilty .. self defense or whatever.
The only difference between what Rice did from Henry Ruggs is that in Ruggs case the poor womans car caught on fire and she died.
... also, Rice left the scene, which is another crime, but eliminating any chance of a DUI charge.
Ruggs was suspended indefinitely by the NFL 1 day after the incident. It was a 1 1/2 years after the accident when Ruggs entered his "guilty" plea and was sentenced.
I'm not saying NFL should have waited to suspend Ruggs ... I'm saying they should have already disciplined Rice. There's video evidence and he has not denied it. He's owned it and apologized publicly.
There's no reason to wait 2 seasons for him to plead "guilty" at a trial ... unless the NFL doesn't want to hinder KC's chances of winning.

 

[socrates]

I suppose in Kamara's case, there was still a slim chance he could be found not guilty .. self defense or whatever.
The only difference between what Rice did from Henry Ruggs is that in Ruggs case the poor womans car caught on fire and she died.
... also, Rice left the scene, which is another crime, but eliminating any chance of a DUI charge.
Ruggs was suspended indefinitely by the NFL 1 day after the incident. It was a 1 1/2 years after the accident when Ruggs entered his "guilty" plea and was sentenced.
I'm not saying NFL should have waited to suspend Ruggs ... I'm saying they should have already disciplined Rice. There's video evidence and he has not denied it. He's owned it and apologized publicly.
There's no reason to wait 2 seasons for him to plead "guilty" at a trial ... unless the NFL doesn't want to hinder KC's chances of winning.

I would note that there was security camera footage (multiple cameras) of Kamara's beatdown of a man in Vegas, and Kamara did indeed leave the scene.

Ruggs' situation was entirely different. A woman died. You say that is the only difference, but it is a HUGE difference.

If the NFL had wanted to do KC a huge favor, they would have already doled out a suspension . . . while he was rehabbing. Some were even urging Rice to expedite the conclusion of his criminal case for exactly that reason.

I think people will interpret this how they want to see it, but the NFL has been pretty consistent about waiting for resolution of criminal matters with the Courts.

I am in no way defending Rice. The reckless behavior he and his friends participated in was despicable. Ideally, leaving the scene like he did would have triggered an immediate mandatory drug test by the NFL, but the NFL's drug testing program is governed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NFL and the NFL Player's Association. Your suggestion that Rice is being treated differently because he plays for the Chiefs is simply not supported by the facts.

 

[Bossman]

I suppose in Kamara's case, there was still a slim chance he could be found not guilty .. self defense or whatever.
The only difference between what Rice did from Henry Ruggs is that in Ruggs case the poor womans car caught on fire and she died.
... also, Rice left the scene, which is another crime, but eliminating any chance of a DUI charge.
Ruggs was suspended indefinitely by the NFL 1 day after the incident. It was a 1 1/2 years after the accident when Ruggs entered his "guilty" plea and was sentenced.
I'm not saying NFL should have waited to suspend Ruggs ... I'm saying they should have already disciplined Rice. There's video evidence and he has not denied it. He's owned it and apologized publicly.
There's no reason to wait 2 seasons for him to plead "guilty" at a trial ... unless the NFL doesn't want to hinder KC's chances of winning.

I would note that there was security camera footage (multiple cameras) of Kamara's beatdown of a man in Vegas, and Kamara did indeed leave the scene.

Ruggs' situation was entirely different. A woman died. You say that is the only difference, but it is a HUGE difference.

If the NFL had wanted to do KC a huge favor, they would have already doled out a suspension . . . while he was rehabbing. Some were even urging Rice to expedite the conclusion of his criminal case for exactly that reason.

I think people will interpret this how they want to see it, but the NFL has been pretty consistent about waiting for resolution of criminal matters with the Courts.

I am in no way defending Rice. The reckless behavior he and his friends participated in was despicable. Ideally, leaving the scene like he did would have triggered an immediate mandatory drug test by the NFL, but the NFL's drug testing program is governed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NFL and the NFL Player's Association. Your suggestion that Rice is being treated differently because he plays for the Chiefs is simply not supported by the facts.

Not including any of the domestic violence cases because we know the NFL handles those differently....
Here are a couple NFL suspensions from 2024. Neither of which needed to "let the legal system play out";
- Janerious Robinson DE LAR - Arrested for DUI Feb 2024 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "suspicion of DUI". Has not plead guilty and has yet to be sentenced.
- Sam Williams DE DAL - Arrested for possession of a controlled substance and unlawful carrying of a weapon Aug 2023 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "violating leagues personal conduct policy". Has not plead guilty and has not been sentenced.
Seems Rice may be receiving preferential treatment ... for whatever reason.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I suppose in Kamara's case, there was still a slim chance he could be found not guilty

He was caught on surveillance beating an unconscious man. There was 0.000000000001% chance of a not guilty verdict.

(So you’re saying there’s a chance?)

 

[Terpman22]

Anyone care to make a projection on what Rice's numbers will be this year instead of what his legal situation looks like, since ya know, fantasy football and all

I'll go

101/1211/9

I think the fact he prob plays a full season, another year of Kelce falling down and year 3 of being in the system (we still do year 3 WR jumps right?) he should be an easy top 10 finisher provided he plays 15+ games

 

[socrates]

Here are a couple NFL suspensions from 2024. Neither of which needed to "let the legal system play out";
- Janerious Robinson DE LAR - Arrested for DUI Feb 2024 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "suspicion of DUI". Has not plead guilty and has yet to be sentenced.
- Sam Williams DE DAL - Arrested for possession of a controlled substance and unlawful carrying of a weapon Aug 2023 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "violating leagues personal conduct policy". Has not plead guilty and has not been sentenced.
Seems Rice may be receiving preferential treatment ... for whatever reason.

The NFL's Substance Abuse Policy differs from their Personal Conduct Policy. Janerious Robinson was suspended under the Substance Abuse Policy.

Sam Williams was suspended in October 2024 for 3 games without pay for an incident in August 2023 for violating the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy. Interestingly, Williams received his suspension while he was already on IR for a torn ACL and MCL.

The Personal Conduct Policy (which Rice's conduct falls under) provides: "A player violates this Policy when he has a disposition of a criminal proceeding (as defined below), or if the league’s investigation demonstrates that he engaged in conduct prohibited by the Policy. In cases in which a player is not charged with a crime, or is charged but not convicted, he may still be found to have violated the Policy if the credible evidence establishes that he engaged in prohibited conduct."

Disposition of a Criminal Proceeding "Includes an adjudication of guilt or admission to a criminal violation; a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the disposition of the proceeding through a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, conditional dismissal, adjournment in contemplation of dismissal, pretrial intervention or similar arrangement."

Rashee Rice's case is being handled by the NFL according to the terms of the Personal Conduct Policy, and it is not inconsistent with this Policy to await the resolution of the underlying criminal matter. The outcome of Rice's criminal case may affect the length of a suspension more than whether he receives any suspension.

 

[Jail]

I suppose in Kamara's case, there was still a slim chance he could be found not guilty .. self defense or whatever.
The only difference between what Rice did from Henry Ruggs is that in Ruggs case the poor womans car caught on fire and she died.
... also, Rice left the scene, which is another crime, but eliminating any chance of a DUI charge.
Ruggs was suspended indefinitely by the NFL 1 day after the incident. It was a 1 1/2 years after the accident when Ruggs entered his "guilty" plea and was sentenced.
I'm not saying NFL should have waited to suspend Ruggs ... I'm saying they should have already disciplined Rice. There's video evidence and he has not denied it. He's owned it and apologized publicly.
There's no reason to wait 2 seasons for him to plead "guilty" at a trial ... unless the NFL doesn't want to hinder KC's chances of winning.

I would note that there was security camera footage (multiple cameras) of Kamara's beatdown of a man in Vegas, and Kamara did indeed leave the scene.

Ruggs' situation was entirely different. A woman died. You say that is the only difference, but it is a HUGE difference.

If the NFL had wanted to do KC a huge favor, they would have already doled out a suspension . . . while he was rehabbing. Some were even urging Rice to expedite the conclusion of his criminal case for exactly that reason.

I think people will interpret this how they want to see it, but the NFL has been pretty consistent about waiting for resolution of criminal matters with the Courts.

I am in no way defending Rice. The reckless behavior he and his friends participated in was despicable. Ideally, leaving the scene like he did would have triggered an immediate mandatory drug test by the NFL, but the NFL's drug testing program is governed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NFL and the NFL Player's Association. Your suggestion that Rice is being treated differently because he plays for the Chiefs is simply not supported by the facts.

Not including any of the domestic violence cases because we know the NFL handles those differently....
Here are a couple NFL suspensions from 2024. Neither of which needed to "let the legal system play out";
- Janerious Robinson DE LAR - Arrested for DUI Feb 2024 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "suspicion of DUI". Has not plead guilty and has yet to be sentenced.
- Sam Williams DE DAL - Arrested for possession of a controlled substance and unlawful carrying of a weapon Aug 2023 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "violating leagues personal conduct policy". Has not plead guilty and has not been sentenced.
Seems Rice may be receiving preferential treatment ... for whatever reason.

You keep skipping over the fact that Rice and KC would have been better off getting the suspension while he was hurt.

 

[Jail]

Anyone care to make a projection on what Rice's numbers will be this year instead of what his legal situation looks like, since ya know, fantasy football and all

I'll go

101/1211/9

I think the fact he prob plays a full season, another year of Kelce falling down and year 3 of being in the system (we still do year 3 WR jumps right?) he should be an easy top 10 finisher provided he plays 15+ games

That looks good to me for a full season.

The big problem I have with drafting him is the uncertainty with his suspension. What if the suspension comes down right before week 15?

 

[Bossman]

Here are a couple NFL suspensions from 2024. Neither of which needed to "let the legal system play out";
- Janerious Robinson DE LAR - Arrested for DUI Feb 2024 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "suspicion of DUI". Has not plead guilty and has yet to be sentenced.
- Sam Williams DE DAL - Arrested for possession of a controlled substance and unlawful carrying of a weapon Aug 2023 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "violating leagues personal conduct policy". Has not plead guilty and has not been sentenced.
Seems Rice may be receiving preferential treatment ... for whatever reason.

The NFL's Substance Abuse Policy differs from their Personal Conduct Policy. Janerious Robinson was suspended under the Substance Abuse Policy.

Sam Williams was suspended in October 2024 for 3 games without pay for an incident in August 2023 for violating the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy. Interestingly, Williams received his suspension while he was already on IR for a torn ACL and MCL.

The Personal Conduct Policy (which Rice's conduct falls under) provides: "A player violates this Policy when he has a disposition of a criminal proceeding (as defined below), or if the league’s investigation demonstrates that he engaged in conduct prohibited by the Policy. In cases in which a player is not charged with a crime, or is charged but not convicted, he may still be found to have violated the Policy if the credible evidence establishes that he engaged in prohibited conduct."

Disposition of a Criminal Proceeding "Includes an adjudication of guilt or admission to a criminal violation; a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the disposition of the proceeding through a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, conditional dismissal, adjournment in contemplation of dismissal, pretrial intervention or similar arrangement."

Rashee Rice's case is being handled by the NFL according to the terms of the Personal Conduct Policy, and it is not inconsistent with this Policy to await the resolution of the underlying criminal matter. The outcome of Rice's criminal case may affect the length of a suspension more than whether he receives any suspension.

So we're saying that Rice's delayed suspension is being handled correctly and Sam Williams suspension was not?
Either way, the NFL is not being consistent.

 

[Bossman]

I suppose in Kamara's case, there was still a slim chance he could be found not guilty .. self defense or whatever.
The only difference between what Rice did from Henry Ruggs is that in Ruggs case the poor womans car caught on fire and she died.
... also, Rice left the scene, which is another crime, but eliminating any chance of a DUI charge.
Ruggs was suspended indefinitely by the NFL 1 day after the incident. It was a 1 1/2 years after the accident when Ruggs entered his "guilty" plea and was sentenced.
I'm not saying NFL should have waited to suspend Ruggs ... I'm saying they should have already disciplined Rice. There's video evidence and he has not denied it. He's owned it and apologized publicly.
There's no reason to wait 2 seasons for him to plead "guilty" at a trial ... unless the NFL doesn't want to hinder KC's chances of winning.

I would note that there was security camera footage (multiple cameras) of Kamara's beatdown of a man in Vegas, and Kamara did indeed leave the scene.

Ruggs' situation was entirely different. A woman died. You say that is the only difference, but it is a HUGE difference.

If the NFL had wanted to do KC a huge favor, they would have already doled out a suspension . . . while he was rehabbing. Some were even urging Rice to expedite the conclusion of his criminal case for exactly that reason.

I think people will interpret this how they want to see it, but the NFL has been pretty consistent about waiting for resolution of criminal matters with the Courts.

I am in no way defending Rice. The reckless behavior he and his friends participated in was despicable. Ideally, leaving the scene like he did would have triggered an immediate mandatory drug test by the NFL, but the NFL's drug testing program is governed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the NFL and the NFL Player's Association. Your suggestion that Rice is being treated differently because he plays for the Chiefs is simply not supported by the facts.

Not including any of the domestic violence cases because we know the NFL handles those differently....
Here are a couple NFL suspensions from 2024. Neither of which needed to "let the legal system play out";
- Janerious Robinson DE LAR - Arrested for DUI Feb 2024 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "suspicion of DUI". Has not plead guilty and has yet to be sentenced.
- Sam Williams DE DAL - Arrested for possession of a controlled substance and unlawful carrying of a weapon Aug 2023 - Suspended by NFL for 3 games 2024 for "violating leagues personal conduct policy". Has not plead guilty and has not been sentenced.
Seems Rice may be receiving preferential treatment ... for whatever reason.

You keep skipping over the fact that Rice and KC would have been better off getting the suspension while he was hurt.

I know KC and Rice's camp were interested in him serving a suspension during his IR stint ... but that would have been blatant abuse of the system in favor of KC ... which we can assume is why the NFL didn't do it (although the NFL may have considered it).
You can't say "let the legal system play out" so he can play ... and then NOT let the legal system play out when he can't play.

 

[Bossman]

I suppose in Kamara's case, there was still a slim chance he could be found not guilty

He was caught on surveillance beating an unconscious man. There was 0.000000000001% chance of a not guilty verdict.

(So you’re saying there’s a chance?)

according to the NFL, yes. LOL. "can't suspend him until the verdict is IN"