WR Santana Moss Ready to Shine (1 Viewer)

[tommyGunZ]

I own Santana in a couple of leagues (2 of 4) and didn't start him in either. One league, I have R. Moss, J Galloway, KMcKardell, SMoss. Obviously RMoss is an always start.Week 1: I start RMoss, Galloway, SMoss. McKardell goes for 130 and 2 TDs on my bench.Week 2: I start RMoss, Galloway, McKardell. Santana goes off on my bench.I'm thinking of combing my hair with an icepick this morning.

 

[BassNBrew]

I own Santana in a couple of leagues (2 of 4) and didn't start him in either.

One league, I have R. Moss, J Galloway, KMcKardell, SMoss. Obviously RMoss is an always start.

Week 1: I start RMoss, Galloway, SMoss. McKardell goes for 130 and 2 TDs on my bench.

Week 2: I start RMoss, Galloway, McKardell. Santana goes off on my bench.

I'm thinking of combing my hair with an icepick this morning.

Glumpy and I did the same thing in Chugs.I liked Moss's upside so I have him in 4 of 5 leagues. Since he slid, he was my 4th WR in most of those leagues. I'll likely start him in 2 to 3 leagues each week and play matchups in the others. Of course with bye weeks, that will clear things up in 3-4 weeks by default.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Here's the problem with rankings and players like Santana Moss on bad offenses.  I would bet that Moss was not in at least 1/2 the starting lineups last night.  So those monstrous (36 points in our league) stats don't even count.  Last night he got more yards on 2 bombs than Washington normally throws for in a week.  Will be the ultimate inconsistent receivers.  Next week, he is likely to get 3 catches for 30 yards. 3 points.  39 points over 2 weeks, but you reaped the benefits of exactly 3.  Not knocking the projection at all, great call, but inconsistent WR's are the bane of many a fantasy football team.  Points don't count unless the guy is in your lineup.  You have to have some possibility of predicting performance. It is a crapshoot, but guys like Moss drive me insane. "What, he's the 8th best WR in the league?  How come he hasn't done jack for me?"

So far, he's been pretty consistent for a WR not named Randy Moss, TO, Chad Johnson, or Torry Holt. 96 yards in week 1, and last night's performance. I wouldn't be expecting 150+ and 2 TDs every week, but I don't see him being any less consistent than other comparable receivers. I mean, if you can trade him for Wayne or Harrison or something, then by all means, jump on it, but you can do worse than the #1 receiver on a team, who is a big play threat, and who gets a pretty significant number of targets every week.Edit: Own S. Moss in 2 of 4 leagues, and started him in one of those last night (my #3 receiver in a 16 team league, where we start 3 WR).

 

[TouchdownMaker]

I was somewhat shocked to wake up this morning and see Santana sitting with two TDs on my bench. Even watching the highlight reel of the catches on the redskins.com site which were nice catches and really showed his speed and hands, I still am troubled like most above. He is getting BIG plays, thats it. And those dry up and hit at random times. Take away three catches and people would be pissed after drafting Moss. I think the best to do here, is sell for a trade. But I still can't expect these numbers out of this guy every week and he will likely sit on my bench until I see consistency in him and the redskins offense.

 

[Reaper]

I'll repeat since this important fact may have been lost in my last post.THIS Thread was started talking about Santana Moss being a Top 20 WR and a SOLID #2WR TWO. S O D.I can't argue with all you guys rotating him as a possible #3 / #4 Starter.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Moss sure is inconsistent. That one week he only had 87 yards. Loser. No one would EVER want this huy as a #2 fantasy receiver.What was that? Oh, Santana has more receiving yards per game than anyone in the league through 6 weeks of the season?Nevermind.

 

[NYG Endzone]

Moss sure is inconsistent. That one week he only had 87 yards. Loser. No one would EVER want this huy as a #2 fantasy receiver.

What was that? Oh, Santana has more receiving yards per game than anyone in the league through 6 weeks of the season?

Nevermind.

If you post a link to the thread where you called this (preseason) it would make your argument stronger

 

[Judge Smails]

Smitty, one of the best calls EVAH!

 

[Aussie Cowboy]

Every year there are players that emerge as top fantasy performers that owners look back on and exclaim "Why didn't I see that coming?"

This year one of those players will be Santana Moss.

 

[BassNBrew]

Good call Chris.  I was very bullish on Moss as he's littered my rosters.  Your post helped out a lot.

A bit early on the good call - I'd imagine most Moss owners didn't start him this week Vs Dallas and that for most of the year he'll be incredibly unpredictable...They hit on 2 bombs and the guy was actually healthy... To be continued.

How about now???

 

[Chris Smith]

Once in awhile you actually prognosticate something correctly! Makes up for thinking Lee Suggs would emerge as the starter and Joey Harrington could become a legitimate NFL quarterback. The good news is I have S. Moss in three leagues this season.

 

[Reaper]

Glad I didn't post in this thread...Ehhhhhhh, I mean... Moss looks good - Better than the Other Moss even.Oh well, I still say I'd take Coles but, Moss is working out real well in that offense, as is Brunell. I think the whole Skins team is playing better than most predicted, even with that loss....But, yeah, Moss looks good - Personally from someone who's seen every Moss snap till this year, I'm SHOCKED... SHOCKED I say, that Moss isn't limping around yet, As a Jets fan, it was a rare moment when Moss wasn't an injury concern. I think he is in better shape and is healthier and playing better than he ever has - Jet fans never saw Moss 100% healthy and running around for this many games in a row....Not that that's a hex or anything.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Moss is a good call. If it weren't for your predictions I wouldn't have gone after him. I missed out on him in my draft but managed to steal him from another owner before the season started. He was one of the guys in the draft I 'had to get' and he's been in my lineup every week. If only I had taken Plaxico, then I'd REALLY be cruising.

 

[MelvinTScupper]

Once in awhile you actually prognosticate something correctly!

Makes up for thinking Lee Suggs would emerge as the starter and Joey Harrington could become a legitimate NFL quarterback.

The good news is I have S. Moss in three leagues this season.

Did you really think it would be Brunell making your dreams come true?I'm not flat out calling this pick "lucky" to this point, becuase you're dead right about his ability here, but if I thought Brunell had a game in him like yesterday's game, I'd have probably agreed with you.

 

[Chaos Commish]

On August 12th, the day before this thread originated, I auctioned in a 14 shark league with very challenging rules. I was not about to face this league with any weakness at RB, and I spent liberally on my backs, hoping to find some WR bargains. I didn't have Chris's expectations for Santana, but my strategy was to only bid for teams' WR1s. I picked up Moss for a third the price of Coles, and Santana/Ramsey/Skins were ridiculed during the bidding. SMoss is easily my MVP. I have started him every week but his bye. I am now 5-1, alone at the top, and this was a great call Chris. I remember reading this thread the next day and hoping you were right.

 

[Huntsman]

I got lucky with SMoss too. Drafted him late but with high hopes. IIRC, it was just a couple years ago when he was projected for very good things but got hurt and, subsequently, flew really low on the radar this year.

 

[Metux]

Why couldn't the Jet's get the ball Deep to Santana Moss?

 

[NYG Endzone]

Why couldn't the Jet's get the ball Deep to Santana Moss?

You're joking right?PENNINGTON?

 

[dgreen]

Why couldn't the Jet's get the ball Deep to Santana Moss?

The Redskins aren't really getting him the ball deep. He had receptions of 35 and 78 yards yesterday, but neither was a bomb. In fact, the 78-yard TD was a screen. He had a 50+ yarder in week one that was maybe 10 yards in the air. The only two balls that he's caught deep are the two against Dallas.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Can someone explain to me why this board recently ranked S. Moss at 17th for dynasty receivers?Perhaps the folks down on Moss earlier in this thread can help to explain it, because I'm baffled.Quite honestly, I'm not sure I'd rather have RANDY (who was ranked at #2) than Santana at this point. I know for sure that if I had both of them THIS year and could only play one of them, there would be no week since the 1st week where I'd play Randy.What does the guy have to do for the fantasy community to be interested in him?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Snagged Moss at 8.10 in a No Mercy draft as WR4 behind Holt, Roy, and Boldin.

I agree that Moss is an excellent roll of the dice anywhere from round 7 on. As always, it's a great idea to look at top performers from two years back (2003 in this case) who failed to duplicate that success in 2004 and figure out why. Moss' "why" can be explained by the lingering hammy that really detracts from his strengths, his cutting ability and quickness.

I know it's bad form to quote your own posts and toot your own horn, but TOOT-TOOT.

 

[Kleck.]

Snagged Moss at 8.10 in a No Mercy draft as WR4 behind Holt, Roy, and Boldin.

I agree that Moss is an excellent roll of the dice anywhere from round 7 on.  As always, it's a great idea to look at top performers from two years back (2003 in this case) who failed to duplicate that success in 2004 and figure out why.  Moss' "why" can be explained by the lingering hammy that really detracts from his strengths, his cutting ability and quickness.

I know it's bad form to quote your own posts and toot your own horn, but TOOT-TOOT.

And here I thought you were team Blazing Guns in Hammerhead the whole time.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Snagged Moss at 8.10 in a No Mercy draft as WR4 behind Holt, Roy, and Boldin.

I agree that Moss is an excellent roll of the dice anywhere from round 7 on. As always, it's a great idea to look at top performers from two years back (2003 in this case) who failed to duplicate that success in 2004 and figure out why. Moss' "why" can be explained by the lingering hammy that really detracts from his strengths, his cutting ability and quickness.

I know it's bad form to quote your own posts and toot your own horn, but TOOT-TOOT.

And here I thought you were team Blazing Guns in Hammerhead the whole time.

nope - I finished in the basement in Grubs, even with Santana.

 

[dgreen]

Can someone explain to me why this board recently ranked S. Moss at 17th for dynasty receivers?

Perhaps the folks down on Moss earlier in this thread can help to explain it, because I'm baffled.

Quite honestly, I'm not sure I'd rather have RANDY (who was ranked at #2) than Santana at this point. I know for sure that if I had both of them THIS year and could only play one of them, there would be no week since the 1st week where I'd play Randy.

What does the guy have to do for the fantasy community to be interested in him?

I agree with you that Santana would be a steal as WR17.I'd guess the low ranking from most people would be due to the uncertain future coaching and QB situations.

 

[cracKer]

Snagged Moss at 8.10 in a No Mercy draft as WR4 behind Holt, Roy, and Boldin.

I agree that Moss is an excellent roll of the dice anywhere from round 7 on.  As always, it's a great idea to look at top performers from two years back (2003 in this case) who failed to duplicate that success in 2004 and figure out why.  Moss' "why" can be explained by the lingering hammy that really detracts from his strengths, his cutting ability and quickness.

I know it's bad form to quote your own posts and toot your own horn, but TOOT-TOOT.

Roy Williams? Nice pick messiah.

 

[jurb26]

Can someone explain to me why this board recently ranked S. Moss at 17th for dynasty receivers?

Perhaps the folks down on Moss earlier in this thread can help to explain it, because I'm baffled.

Quite honestly, I'm not sure I'd rather have RANDY (who was ranked at #2) than Santana at this point. I know for sure that if I had both of them THIS year and could only play one of them, there would be no week since the 1st week where I'd play Randy.

What does the guy have to do for the fantasy community to be interested in him?

It's because he is short.

 

[Family Matters]

Every year there are players that emerge as top fantasy performers that owners look back on and exclaim "Why didn't I see that coming?"

This year one of those players will be Santana Moss.

Just two seasons ago, a healthy Moss dominated his opposition, finishing with 74 receptions for 1,105 receiving yards and 10 touchdowns. That was good for 8th overall at the receiver position.

Last year, he slipped back to 33rd at the receiver position and now he has fallen off of most people's radars. However there was a reason he suffered through a less than memorable season a year ago. He had an injured hamstring that he suffered through instead of taking the time off to have it heal. As a result some of his explosiveness and ability to make sharp cuts was taken away from him and he couldn't create the seperation he did in years past.

Here are some of the reasons why Moss will rank inside the top twenty...

1) Unbelievable speed and quickness

2) One of the best route runners in the NFL

3) He is the clear cut # 1 receiver

4) Last season, Coles finished 2nd overall in targets and caught 90 passes. That is the role that Moss is stepping into.

5) A healthy Moss is very difficult to cover due to his ability to cut on a dime

6) Patrick Ramsey loves this kid.

7) He has a refreshing attitude, allowing his skills to talk instead of his mouth.

Here are a couple of Blogger quotes in regards to Moss.

WR S. Moss Specializes In Route Running

Nunyo Demasio, Washington Post - [Full Article]

New Redskins' receiver Santana Moss is impressing folks with his work on the practice field. However it is his superb route-running moreso than his god-given speed that is turning heads. "Santana runs really good routes," said quarterback Patrick Ramsey. "He recognizes the fact that if you focus on that and combine that with his speed, he can certainly be very explosive." Moss takes pride in running great routes and works hard on perfecting the craft.

WR Moss Team's Primary Deep Threat

Paul Woody, Sporting News - [Full Article]

Santana Moss will be counted on to be the team's primary deep threat next season, and if he avoids injuries, he should be able to deliver in the role. Moss is exceptionally fast, gets in and out of breaks quickly and smoothly, adjusts to the ball in the air and can make contested catches. Moss is small, but his speed and quickness compensate for his size. Those traits also give him an advantage on the bigger cornerbacks that are becoming more prevalent in the league. He also provides the team with a home run threat as an occasional punt returner.

Remember this. Despite being injured much of last year, Moss still managed to finish with 838 passing yards and 5 touchdowns on the season.

Sure the Redskins quarterbacking situation isn't ideal but Moss appears destined to have a bunch of passes thrown his way in 2005 and he is the type of player to make things happen with the ball in his hand. You can get him in round eight or later and he will, if healthy greatly exceed the projections being laid out for him.

Don't miss the boat when it comes to Moss in 2005. He may end up the SOD.

Nice call Chris! I just saw this and realized this is as good a call as any I've seen. Well done!

 

[jwvdcw]

So the Jets, frustrated that their #1 WR was unable to stay healthy the last few years, traded to get back a WR who now has a lingering and well known foot injury that prevents him from being 100% healthy.

As HS showed us, when both were healthy and in as similar situations as you can ask for, these were the nubmers:

Moss, 74 rec  1105 yds  14.9 avg  10 TDs = 170.5 fantasy points

Coles, 89 rec  1264 yds  14.2 avg  5 TDs = 156.4 fantasy points

Yup.Given that both guys are injury concerns - the Jets loved the TALENT and upside of Coles a lot better, as did their teammates.

As a Skins fan, let me be the first to send a personal 'thank you' to the Jets.

 

[jwvdcw]

Moss doesn't have the ability of a top tier WR to get open enough on a consistent basis to put up good stats game to game to game.  There's nothing worse than starting a guy for 3 weeks and getting 17 yds, 65 yds, 16 yds....then sitting him and watching him go off for 111 yds on your bench.

Incidentally, the 17-65-16-111 yds were a 4 game stretch for him weeks 3-4-5-6 in 2004 when he put up good overall numbers on the year.  In that year, he still had games with  12-17-16-13 yds in that season.  Too inconsistent.

Good Call.