packer_junkie
Footballguy
Is there anyway the horrible Vikings pass offense improves to an average pass offense, like the NYG or even the CHI offense? Can they go from 20 completions and 205 yards too 26 completions and 260 yards?
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WR Stefon Diggs, NE (2 Viewers)
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packer_junkie
Footballguy
Pros: AP facing a stacked box, Wallace taking top off, forcing safety help. Diggs excels and routes Bridge excels at.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Ben Goessling @GoesslingESPN 30m30 minutes ago
Charles Johnson was back at practice today. He was working with Jarius Wright in individual drills. Wallace and Diggs were top 2 WRs there.
Charles Johnson was back at practice today. He was working with Jarius Wright in individual drills. Wallace and Diggs were top 2 WRs there.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
Time will tell IMO. It's not a knock against AP who is a HOF'er in my mind, but if this train is rolling with Diggs, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Teddy's average attempts per game to hold or keep rising slightly as it has over the last few games. That's not to exclude AP for the pass attempt increases, either. But, in real life football it's a more balanced attack. Makes AP more dangerous, as well as the passing game.
In Diggs' last two games,
Teddy's Attempts Per Game (APG) Weeks 1-3: 24.67
Teddy's APG L2 Games: 36.0
AP Rush Attempts (RA) Weeks 1-3: 19.67
AP RA L2: 21.0
AP Receiving Targets (RT) Weeks 1-3: 1.67
AP RT L2: 3.5
You're already seeing it, an average of +10.34 APG increase via Teddy, while AP's rush attempts gets a slight uptick and his receiving targets also gets an uptick.
My point is that AP is staying integrated into the rushing and receiving games as he should, while Teddy is throwing more. They are helping each other in real-life football, and we need to be aware (the team lost a close one to Denver on the road and won @ home vs. KC over the L2 games). It's why I was in to get a piece of Diggs while I could, the offense is running more pass plays and even though a small sample, the trend is (hopefully) starting. Diggs can continue to make an impact if the Teddy APG trend holds or increases, as the offense still runs through AP but there's work if the APG increase for Teddy holds. AP rushing helps Diggs' potential upside from the data so far because he's such a good, key piece to this offense that can open up the pass game.
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Uncle Grandpa
Footballguy
The big limiting factor has been and probably will continue to be the offensive line. They're not giving AP lanes to run and not giving TB time to throw.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
6-12 had been the history of bids this year for WRs so I bid 20. He went for 40. Not happy.
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
I got him for this week trying to cover up some by week issues. Seems like a better upside than Crowder, at least for now.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Wow. Huge oversight. This is why I follow my own insight and not those from "experts".BobbyLayne said:
addicted2ff
Footballguy
Yeah, experts who come up with ROS rankings are usually too conservative when it comes to the players whose roles and values are increasing. Podcasts like The Audible and Fantasy Footballers give a much better idea of the ROS market value of someone. Having said that Diggs' ROS value is very fluid at the moment and will likely have a wide range of opinions.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Does anyone have any sense of the impact that Charles Johnson and Wright will have on his playing time? I'm guessing none but is there any definitive statement on starting status or expected snaps?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
FTR Zimmer said this when asked about Johnson's return & Diggs role in his weekly presser:
You dont lose your starting job because of injury but you lose your starting job because of performance, Zimmer said. But, no, I have not decided that yet.
You have GamePass? I know you went to the TNF game but I can't remember if you're a season ticket holder (GP is free if you are.) I'd really encourage you to watch the first quarter & first five minutes of the second of the KC game. I don't think you'd have those questions TBH.
It's one thing to watch the highlights of Diggs 21 targets, but IME it's quite different seeing the game flow & getting a feel for the down/distance context. He dominated and absolutely set the tone. In the RZ Teddy looked first for Rudolph (one INT, third possession TD.) But otherwise it was the Stefon show. First passing down, off play action, bubble screen - it was amazing how silly he made the Chiefs DBs look.
It may not be official but this kid is really impressive.
That said, it's a low volume offense. I'm not convinced Bridgewater is even an average QB. I don't think a 46% increase in passing attempts in 2 games (compared to the first three) is a sufficient sample size. Those could be limiting factors and Diggs may "only" be a top 30/WR3 this year.
But I don't think Johnson will get his job back. Just MHO.
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
I've rarely if ever seen a player - an unproven player at that! - so universally loved in the Shark Pool. I mean, probably at least 25% of the people here would have #####ed about Jerry Rice in his prime. But this guy seems about unanimous. I've seen ZERO of him in action aside from highlights, but picked him up in all my leagues on your collective recommendation. (Thanks!) ... What are people thinking we have here? I'm seeing Antonio Bryant comparisons, freakin HOF predictions... what are your thoughts ROS? WR2? WR3? Flex?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
WR3/Flex. Not enough volume in that offense. Teddy has thrown 3 TDs all year.
Really solid in PPR. We'll just have to wait & see if Norv takes the training wheels off the QB.
In PPR redraft, I think if he gets 12-15 every week you found a WR3 at low cost. If he maintains his current pace and sustains 15-18 /game, it's one of the best adds of the year. Realistically I think it's the former due to the volume situation.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
nice post ^
dropped hankerson for ty montgomery 2 weeks ago vs. diggs, then was lucky enough to get him last night at around 5/14 (stupid ww that re-sets weekly based on record worst to first). lafell and hankerson were the wrs who went before diggs which surprised me.
granted it was KC's DBs, but dude has hops, and he's getting around 10 targets in each of the last 2 games. ADP is great for keeping D's honest, but if he keeps putting up 20/60 stat lines, that won't continue. and they'll have to pass more.
have diggs in @ flex w/ bye problems. once he scores a td or 3, he will get the attention he deserves.
Jack White
Footballguy
It would be more instructive if you used percentages instead of dollars since we have no way of knowing what your annual budget is.jbz said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Thanks for the followup. Uh yeah season ticket holder but I did not know that about GamePass. My brother holds the tickets so maybe I need to arrange that with him, but thanks for the tip I'm going to look into that. -SID
eta - I'm just looking at it, I think I'm gonna kill my brother for not telling me about all this stuff or just plain missing it.
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Jack White
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
I wouldn't say I saw this coming, but I'm not surprised either. He was always very impressive in college. Great football player. He reminded me of Dez Bryant minus 30 pounds. Elastic athlete. Quick. Natural ability to make plays on the ball, and with the ball in his hands. Likely would've been drafted a lot higher if he'd been a bit heavier or faster, but didn't really shine in pre-draft testing.
I think he can be legit. Especially if he continues to develop physically with age. He is still very young.
In terms of negatives, he plays a somewhat dangerous style over the middle of the field and doesn't necessarily have the right body type to take the beating. He had one serious lower body injury in college and a lacerated kidney in a different season. If he continues to play the same style and doesn't develop physically, I could see problems arising here. It wouldn't really be a big factor in my analysis though.
I have him on one of eight dynasty teams, so while I feel like I'm not totally left out of the party, I do regret not targeting him more.
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
Just nabbed him for $0 off my FAAB waivers. I'm in a league with a bunch of Vikings fans so it surprised me he was still available. Unless he continues busting out he probably doesn't have much room on my weekly redraft lineup but I'm hoping he has another really solid game so I can flip him in a trade with one of the MN fans.
Sort of desperate bid, my WR core has no depth. Not counting on him, but trending the right way.
Todem
Footballguy
I had drafted him in a dynasty and glad to see he is coming alive.
I was able to snag him in my 12 team redraft with the 10/12 waiver spot last night. I was shocked. Really shocked. I think this kid continues this and is going to start scoring some TD's.
Explosive talent. Demon speed. Kid is a rising star.
I was able to snag him in my 12 team redraft with the 10/12 waiver spot last night. I was shocked. Really shocked. I think this kid continues this and is going to start scoring some TD's.
Explosive talent. Demon speed. Kid is a rising star.
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It's even worse when you consider they could have had him with their 4th round comp pick, but instead reached for a project CB.
Todem
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
What is the Ravens' aversion to young talent at WR? Baffling.
They had already spent their #1 pick on a young replacement for Torrey Smith, and had youngsters Aiken, Brown, Waller and Campanero in the fold.
The secondary was a known need, so I have no problem with them spending their picks there. Hindsight is 20/20 here, and it's pretty obvious that both WR and the secondary are still significant problems.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
89 out of 179 won him for me. Gladly starting him this week in 2 leagues.
Used my number one waiver position to grab him in my 10 team standard. With Charles Johnson coming back, he's going to be on my bench until I see how many targets he gets now and if he can find the end zone. Hoping he can replace the disappointing Jordan Matthews for me eventually.
Those youngsters were far from impressive- Campanero a 7th round pick, Brown and Aiken were UDFA's, and Waller wasn't in the fold yet- they took him in the 7th round of that draft. Diggs not only would have potentially filled a WR need, but also the kick returner need since they lost Jacoby Jones.
IMO, it makes far more sense to spend their final 4th round pick (they had 3 of them) on a guy like Diggs, who was a projected 3rd-4th round pick, than on a guy like Walker, who was a projected 6th-7th round pick.
pisses me off everyone knew he wanted to play for the Ravens I just knew we would draft him
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Long term dynasty value, Diggs, Hurns, Snead. Rank them.
Todem
Footballguy
Uncle Grandpa
Footballguy
This thread has jumped the shark.
Todem
Footballguy
You know...because he actually is producing and we are not dreaming about production like the CM thread?
I hope CM breaks out for those guys....because I have never seen a guy who has barely sniffed the field get as much hype. It's amazing. And I think that kid has obvious talent. But something has kept him off the field. If your that good....you get on the field in some capacity or another. He has not.
Diggs on the other hand has shown in a starters role he can ball. I expect more of the same with some quiet games too. He now has some game film for other teams to watch. But I love what I have seen so far and always thought he was a great athlete with upside coming into the league.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Hype train of the year! LOL
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Pretty reasonable SP thread - lots of caveats about sample size & volume. It's not people are going crazy over someone with surreal athleticism who never actually does anything on the field.
Uncle Grandpa
Footballguy
FTR, I was referring to people posting their BB waiver stats and thinly veiled WDI-trade posts. The discussion on his play and corresponding hype is just fine by me.
shady inc
Footballguy
Stefon Diggs expected to remain a starter
Even with Charles Johnson (ribs) returning for Week 7, Stefon Diggs is expected to remain in the Vikings' starting lineup.
Coach Mike Zimmer has refused comment, but his silence on the matter essentially confirms Johnson has lost his stating job to the rookie fifth-rounder. Otherwise, Zimmer would simply reaffirm that Johnson is still starting opposite Mike Wallace. Diggs has 13 catches for 216 yards through his first two NFL games. OC Norv Turner has praised his ability to get open. Diggs is worth a look as a WR3 for Week 7.
Even with Charles Johnson (ribs) returning for Week 7, Stefon Diggs is expected to remain in the Vikings' starting lineup.
Coach Mike Zimmer has refused comment, but his silence on the matter essentially confirms Johnson has lost his stating job to the rookie fifth-rounder. Otherwise, Zimmer would simply reaffirm that Johnson is still starting opposite Mike Wallace. Diggs has 13 catches for 216 yards through his first two NFL games. OC Norv Turner has praised his ability to get open. Diggs is worth a look as a WR3 for Week 7.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
If you are a subscriber to FBGs, read Waldman's Gut Check article from this week. Some serious catnip for anyone that's rostered Diggs.
