I dumped his first 50 games passing attempts into Excel. Plotted the data and found a trend-line including the R^2 value. Was a bit surprised at looking at some of the data. Will share when I have time later.Look at it this way. How many games with 30+ passing attempts has Wilson had per season?True. Extreme hyperbole on my part.Sure, but you are overstating it by referencing the two edge points (Seattle with Lynch vs. Dan Marino). The truth will almost certainly lie in the middle.
Not sure I agree here. For me I expect about the same. I see more random variation here as opposed to a trend. Here's a thought: Instead of looking at seasons as only three data points, wouldn't it be better to view individual games as data points (about 50 now)? This wouldn't be hard to analyze from a purely statistical approach. I could conduct a hypothesis test to see how well the data creates a slope greater than zero. Will only take me a few minutes when I get back to my classroom on Monday.Seattle's pass attempts have gone up in each season with Wilson at QB, from 405 to 420 to 454. I expect that trend to continue this year with Lynch still the primary RB.
2012: 3 of 16 games
2013: 4 of 16 games
2014: 7 of 16 games
2015: 2 of 2 games
Could be either random variation or trend, but that would be quite a coincidence if the random variation just happened to go up as Wilson has progressively gained experience, confidence, and the trust of the coaching staff.
Interesting data here: Is The Beast Yet To Come, Or What?The trend line has a positive slope.
y = .117 x + 23.475
x is the number of games started
y is the predicted number of passing attempts
When I perform a t-test against the null hypothesis that slope = 0 I get a t value of about 2.01. That's two standard deviations above the mean yielding a p-value of about 0.03. This means that a positive slope could have occurred by random chance about 3 percent of the time. That's very rare in my opinion indicating the upward trend. However, with a prediction slope of only 0.117 were talking about 1 extra passing attempt every 9 games, and that will have to level off at some point.
Other thoughts about this data:
Just more food/data for thought. If I were in a dynasty situation I wouldn't value Lockett that much because I don't believe in his situation. That said, I'm glad he's in Seattle. I think he'll be a great asset in the team's future success. Who knows how long Carroll and company will remain in Seattle? But as long as Pete and company are calling the shots I don't think anyone will be consistently happy with any Seattle receiving targets on their fantasy roster other than maybe Graham. Time will tell.
- The year two numbers were very similar to year one. When I conduct a test using only year 2 and 3 there's a greater slope yielding an extra passing attempt every 6 games.
- The more I ponder the team situation, the less I think any of this data analysis is worth the time. I believe the team success is the better indicator for predicting Wilson passing attempts. If they were winning, he had fewer passing attempts.
- Passing attempts per game in a win: 25.2
- Passing attempts per game in a loss: 29.9
EDIT: Had the win/loss prediction numbers backwards.
Wilson is currently on pace for 470 passing attempts on the season, continuing the upward trend throughout his career, and he has 30+ attempts in 7 of 12 games this season.How will Pete and the staff manage Lynch's re-integration into the offense and manage his touches? Will Lynch even be effective? Will he return at all, for that matter? And when, exactly? The eventual decision is made more complex by the on-field performance of the two men.
2015 Rawls: 150 touches for 862 yards and five scores
2015 Lynch: 124 touches for 497 yards and three scores
Oh yes there is plenty more. Without going into each runner's style and skillset, one important number leaps out:
2015 Rawls: 5.6 YPC
2015 Lynch: 3.8 YPC (his lowest since joining the Hawks full time)
And then, one of my favorites, success rate. Is the play a success (earning at least half the distance to a first down, or converting a third down) when you hand it off to one of these guys?
2015 Rawls: 61 percent
2015 Lynch: 50 percent
In the previous two seasons, Lynch had accumulated 654 touches, scoring 31 times. A touchdown for every 21 times you got him the ball. Those aren't just monster fantasy stats -- they're Cantonesque.
Yet with him on the bench this season, the Seahawks have scored more frequently, more consistently, just more more.
With Lynch: 31, 17, 26, 13, 23, 20, 13. Average of 21.9 points.
Without Lynch: 24, 29, 39, 38 points. Average of 32.5 points.
When Lynch and Rawls share duties: 32 points.
The sample size is small and the opposition faced plays a part, no doubt. But when combined with the other stats listed above, it becomes really hard to say the 2015 offense has functioned better with Lynch.
In the same boat. The ceiling with Locket is high, but the floor is scary. This week, I gulped and put Lockett in the lineup in lieu of Amari Cooper.I'm really debating putting Lockett in my lineup this week in place of either TY or Gurley. I love the matchup but don't know if I can pull the trigger.
Yeah but you're wrong about everything, so there is that.![]()
I thought Lockett would take longer, but he's just in time
If I had Cooks I don't think I'd ever sit him in the dome.I get one point per 25 return yards... Thinking about playing him over Cooks?
Anyone else?
This exact thing happened the last 2 weeks and Wilson kept throwing.If it works, keep doing it right. I think Pete would want to keep dialing him up and get him primed for a playoff run. I just picked him up and I'll probably start him. My only fear is the Hawks get a big early lead and dial it down.
Says a lot about where things are at with Dez right now but I think that's a slam dunk. You have one WR who's rolling with a red-hot QB vs. another who isn't producing with a QB who sucks.I'm starting him over Dez. Yeah...I know..."cool story, Bro"......but I think he has enough upside against a CLE team than an established elite WR playing against Revis Island.
I actually dropped Crabtree for Lockett this week.Lockett over Crabtree this week? What say you? HAAAALLLPP!
Damn. Leaning toward it for sure. Did it last week (because Denver) and it paid off big time. I'm in a situation where pretty much my entire team is playable. I'm good a depth but I always end up not having too many elite dudes. These decisions kill me.I actually dropped Crabtree for Lockett this week.Lockett over Crabtree this week? What say you? HAAAALLLPP!
I should have said this before, my badDamn. Leaning toward it for sure. Did it last week (because Denver) and it paid off big time. I'm in a situation where pretty much my entire team is playable. I'm good a depth but I always end up not having too many elite dudes. These decisions kill me.I actually dropped Crabtree for Lockett this week.Lockett over Crabtree this week? What say you? HAAAALLLPP!
no Lynch...no Rawls...Bryce Brown and CMike (and FJax) may be too much for Pete to trust if wanting to run out the gamemr roboto said:This exact thing happened the last 2 weeks and Wilson kept throwing.thehoch said:If it works, keep doing it right. I think Pete would want to keep dialing him up and get him primed for a playoff run. I just picked him up and I'll probably start him. My only fear is the Hawks get a big early lead and dial it down.
Depends on how gurley finishes.If Lockett finishes the season on the pace he's on now, any chance left for OROY honors?
Spotty showers is what I'm reading. It's Seattle. Always a chance of rain but they aren't calling for a continuous sustained downpour.Weather in Seattle, Sunday late afternoon (from what I have read) is expected to be 40s, rain or "rain to showers" (80-90% chance of rain), and winds in the 15-20 mph range. Just something to consider.
Nice post. Even before seeing this I was leaning towards starting Lockett on 2 teams this week over Martavis Bryant and Randall Cobb.I was looking at WR catch rate statistics earlier and I was impressed to find out that Tyler Lockett leads all WR with 50 or more targets in catch rate with 80%
Here are the top 12 in the league thus far this season:
T.Lockett 51 540 5 80%
D.Amendola 81 628 3 77%
D.Baldwin 80 860 11 76%
K.Allen 89 725 4 75%
J.Crowder 65 461 1 75%
L.Fitzgerald 129 1,088 7 74%
C.Beasley 59 417 3 71%
Jo.Brown 77 895 5 71%
R.Matthews 61 662 4 70%
J.Maclin 103 937 5 70%
J.Edelman 88 692 7 69%
J.Kearse 52 508 3 69%
Three of these WR are all Seahawks. That is an amazing credit to how well Wilson is playing right now.
Amendola - higher floor - lower ceiling. Lockett.....not exactly a Hail Mary.....but if I'm needing a Christmas Miracle.....I'd go with him.Amendola or Lockett? PPR.
"continuous sustained downpours" show up in Seattle about as often as Bigfoot.... but they aren't calling for a continuous sustained downpour.
Uh...guess you haven't been around the past month."continuous sustained downpours" show up in Seattle about as often as Bigfoot.... but they aren't calling for a continuous sustained downpour.
National Weather Service has winds up to 26 mph and some rainAll snarkiness aside, locals....what are you hearing about the weather Sunday? Everything I am reading gives me no pause in starting anyone in the Seahawks passing game.
80% chance of rain nowAll snarkiness aside, locals....what are you hearing about the weather Sunday? Everything I am reading gives me no pause in starting anyone in the Seahawks passing game.
I'm not concerned about the passing game right now due to weather although I am looking at it more in terms of starting Hauschka. I was kind of hoping this would be a game where he kicked some FGs again. But if we're looking at 30 mph winds I may re-think that one.80% chance of rain nowAll snarkiness aside, locals....what are you hearing about the weather Sunday? Everything I am reading gives me no pause in starting anyone in the Seahawks passing game.
Latest forecast has lessened the rain chances during the game and the winds are now looking to be under 20I'm not concerned about the passing game right now due to weather although I am looking at it more in terms of starting Hauschka. I was kind of hoping this would be a game where he kicked some FGs again. But if we're looking at 30 mph winds I may re-think that one.80% chance of rain nowAll snarkiness aside, locals....what are you hearing about the weather Sunday? Everything I am reading gives me no pause in starting anyone in the Seahawks passing game.
Thanks. If that holds up there's nothing to worry about in my opinion.Latest forecast has lessened the rain chances during the game and the winds are now looking to be under 20I'm not concerned about the passing game right now due to weather although I am looking at it more in terms of starting Hauschka. I was kind of hoping this would be a game where he kicked some FGs again. But if we're looking at 30 mph winds I may re-think that one.80% chance of rain nowAll snarkiness aside, locals....what are you hearing about the weather Sunday? Everything I am reading gives me no pause in starting anyone in the Seahawks passing game.
He can score on any play from anywhere on the field, which is rare. His college career shows that he is a complete WR, not just a deep threat.
IMO he is the best WR on the team right now, and is a top 30 dynasty WR without having played a regular season snap.
Good call but one problem - SEA still spreads targets around a ton. Baldwin, Kearse, Lockett... And TDs are variable. If Lockett and Baldwin can clearly separate themselves long term in this offense they could both be top 20 WRs. But a lot of the recent production for both is in conjunction with Lynch then Rawls going down and Graham out.He can score on any play from anywhere on the field, which is rare. His college career shows that he is a complete WR, not just a deep threat.
IMO he is the best WR on the team right now, and is a top 30 dynasty WR without having played a regular season snap.![]()