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WR Tyler Lockett, TEN (4 Viewers)

Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I think this is exactly what happened last night. He wasn't getting separation reliably and just looked off. He didn't look like the leg injury from a few weeks ago was hampering his stride, he just looked depleted.

It also doesn't help that he seemed to be completely off the field in clear run/12 formation plays. I can't say this is the case all season, but was clear that Lockett came off for the run plays last night.

I think he bounces back, but get that it's hard to trust performance. 
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All these points are spot on I think. I noticed the lack of involvement in run blocking. A normal person can hardly stand when having the flu let alone hit top speed sprinting or launch themselves into a 250 pound man.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
It also doesn't help that he seemed to be completely off the field in clear run/12 formation plays. I can't say this is the case all season, but was clear that Lockett came off for the run plays last night.
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This is not true.  Of Seattle's 75 offensive snaps, Lockett led all WR's with 66.  The rest were Metcalf (60), Gordon (27),Turner (15), Moore (10), and Brown (8).  The TE's got 61 & 12 (Hollister and Swoopes).  Carson & Penny had a 39/35 split.  The offensive linemen and Wilson were the only players on the field more than Lockett.

As a Lockett owner, I would much rather have him not returning kicks & punts, and also not having to block monster defenders in the running game.  He will be in my lineup this week, but luckily I have already secured a playoff spot.  Week 15 vs the Panthers is when I really need him.  Hey Tyler - eat some chicken soup and rest that shin.  We need ya!

 
TheWinz said:
This is not true.  Of Seattle's 75 offensive snaps, Lockett led all WR's with 66.  The rest were Metcalf (60), Gordon (27),Turner (15), Moore (10), and Brown (8).  The TE's got 61 & 12 (Hollister and Swoopes).  Carson & Penny had a 39/35 split.  The offensive linemen and Wilson were the only players on the field more than Lockett.

As a Lockett owner, I would much rather have him not returning kicks & punts, and also not having to block monster defenders in the running game.  He will be in my lineup this week, but luckily I have already secured a playoff spot.  Week 15 vs the Panthers is when I really need him.  Hey Tyler - eat some chicken soup and rest that shin.  We need ya!
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I'm in the same boat with a bye and just hoping that multiple factors (injury, sickness, gameplan) have contributed to his depressed performance lately.

Unfortunately, I could see that continuing this week. Thankfully, I don't have to play him.

However, week 15 @CAR could be troubling as well. CAR run D is atrocious. That could be a pound the rock day for SEA. It's those kinds of games you hope Lockett gets deep early.

 
What's everyone doing with Lockett this week? His ineffectiveness lately is troubling (but it can be rationalized with injury/flu), but it seems like he'll be matching up with Ramsey. 

Russ isn't a QB to force things and Seattle scored plenty off points last week without Lockett. 

I'm leaning towards benching Lockett, but who knows.

 
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Charlie Harper said:
What's everyone doing with Lockett this week? His ineffectiveness lately is troubling (but it can be rationalized with injury/flu), but it seems like he'll be matching up with Ramsey. 

Russ isn't a QB to force things and Seattle scored plenty off points last week without Lockett. 

I'm leaning towards benching Lockett, but who knows.
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Yeah, I hear you. I’m pretty spooked. But my options are ### puckering as well. AJBrown against Oakland or Robbie Anderson against Miami or Cole Beasley against Buffalo (in that order). So, do I have the stones to bench Lockett? We’ll see tomorrow morning when I consult my gut...

 
Seattle's last 3 games:

Moore - 7 targets in 48 snaps = 14.6%

Hollister - 22 targets in 164 snaps = 13.4%

Brown - 1 target in 8 snaps = 12.5%

Metcalf - 23 targets in 189 snaps = 12.2%

Penny - 6 targets in 68 snaps = 8.8%

Carson - 10 targets in 145 snaps = 6.9%

Gordon - 5 targets in 77 snaps = 6.5%

Turner - 4 targets in 67 snaps = 6.0%

Lockett - 9 targets in 175 snaps = 5.1%

Yes, Tyler has been hurt the last few games.  Yes, Tyler was reported to have the flu last game.  My concern is that he has played too many snaps with limited targets.  The only reason he has 14 less snaps than D.K. over the last 3 is because he didn't play in OT in week 10.  He has played more snaps in the last 2 weeks than everyone except the OL and Wilson, but has only 5 targets.  Why would that be?  To me, injured and not getting separation is the most likely cause.  One thing that reinforces this assumption - he stopped returning kicks and punts after his week 10 injury.  David Moore & Travis Homer have taken over kick/punt return duties.  Why would Tyler, who has been their full-time returner since he was a rookie in 2015, suddenly stop?  I can assure you it's not because they finally realized it's not smart to risk one of your best players.

 
Man. PPR Beasley or Lockett... can’t believe I’m even considering this. Lots of good points in this thread. What we don’t know certain is if that contusion is still holding him back a week later.

 
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Kwai Chang Caine said:
Man. PPR Beasley or Lockett... can’t believe I’m even considering this. Lots of good points in this thread. What we don’t know certain is if that contusion is still holding him back a week later.
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What we do know for certain is after 267 combined kick & punt returns, Pete Carroll has decided to relieve him of those duties since the injury near the end of the game in week 10.  Now why would he do that?

 
TheWinz said:
What we do know for certain is after 267 combined kick & punt returns, Pete Carroll has decided to relieve him of those duties since the injury near the end of the game in week 10.  Now why would he do that?
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four possible reasons (perhaps in reverse order of likelihood):

1) they don't want to risk one of their best players returning kicks

2) Moore and Horner are better returners than Lockett

3) to reduce the chances Lockett gets hurt again moving toward the playoffs (a variant of #1, but shorter-term in nature)

4) because he's still hurt

 
davidwb said:
four possible reasons (perhaps in reverse order of likelihood):

1) they don't want to risk one of their best players returning kicks

2) Moore and Horner are better returners than Lockett

3) to reduce the chances Lockett gets hurt again moving toward the playoffs (a variant of #1, but shorter-term in nature)

4) because he's still hurt
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It’s either 3 and/ or 4

 
I’m playing Metcalf over Lockett. Probably a coin toss between the two, but Wilson has been looking  the rookie’s way more and more even before Lockett got hurt. 

 
Wish I could afford the risk of a bounceback from Lockett, but I have too many other question marks (Cook, Jacobs) to risk another donut. Probably rolling with James Washington.

 
Man In The Box said:
Wish I could afford the risk of a bounceback from Lockett, but I have too many other question marks (Cook, Jacobs) to risk another donut. Probably rolling with James Washington.
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Now that’s also a dilemma I have in a standard league. But in that league I’m already in. Just don’t know seeding yet. If I were you, id use Washington if I felt I was an underdog. But make no mistake—even though Arizona sucks, you are putting your faith in the hands of a third string QB versus maybe the best in the game.

 
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Kwai Chang Caine said:
Now that’s also a dilemma I have in a standard league. But in that league I’m already in. Just don’t know seeding yet. If I were you, id use Washington if I felt I was an underdog. But make no mistake—even though Arizona sucks, you are putting your faith in the hands of a third string QB versus maybe the best in the game.
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It's a tough decision for sure. I'm bitter because I would most likely have a bye if I got any substantial production from Lockett the last two weeks. He's not my favorite player at the moment lol.

I also have Wilson :oldunsure:

 
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davidwb said:
four possible reasons (perhaps in reverse order of likelihood):

1) they don't want to risk one of their best players returning kicks - he's been doing it for 5 years now, so this can't be the reason

2) Moore and Horner are better returners than Lockett - not a chance, unless Lockett is slowed by something

3) to reduce the chances Lockett gets hurt again moving toward the playoffs (a variant of #1, but shorter-term in nature) - if this were the case, Lockett wouldn't be on the field for as many snaps as he has been the last 2 weeks

4) because he's still hurt - BINGO
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Kwai Chang Caine said:
Now that’s also a dilemma I have in a standard league. But in that league I’m already in. Just don’t know seeding yet. If I were you, id use Washington if I felt I was an underdog. But make no mistake—even though Arizona sucks, you are putting your faith in the hands of a third string QB versus maybe the best in the game.
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To a certain degree, sure.  But your faith is in the WR, not the QB.  Wilson can have the best game of his life and Lockett can still have a goose egg if he is hampered.  FWIW, I have decided on both Robby Anderson and Zach Pascal over Lockett this week.  I am a pretty big "always start your studs" guy, but when the targets just aren't there, your stud will have a hard time scoring.

Sadly, I also have Thielen and Hilton.  I have been playing the wire for many weeks now.  A few hits - a few misses.

 
I'm starting him in two out of three leagues I have him...Given the number of snaps he's had in the past two weeks, I think he's probably relatively "healthy" now and CBS expects Ramsey to shadow Metcalf.

1) starting Lockett over Crowder, Shephard, and Westbrook

2) starting Locket over Washington and Kirk

3) sitting Lockett for Sutton, Parker, and Jeffrey.

Still thinking about subbing Crowder for him in #1 and Washington for him in #2. Uncertainty abounds!

 
davidwb said:
I'm starting him in two out of three leagues I have him...Given the number of snaps he's had in the past two weeks, I think he's probably relatively "healthy" now and CBS expects Ramsey to shadow Metcalf.

1) starting Lockett over Crowder, Shephard, and Westbrook

2) starting Locket over Washington and Kirk

3) sitting Lockett for Sutton, Parker, and Jeffrey.

Still thinking about subbing Crowder for him in #1 and Washington for him in #2. Uncertainty abounds!
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I have similar decisions. Definitely rolling with Sutton over him. I'm torn on Lockett or Crowder, I have a feeling Crowder is going to have a day.

 
Ugh, too many inconsistent WR's and I can't afford single digits.

Need to decide to sit one of Lockett, Chark, and Pascal.  Right now may  be a coin flip between Lockett and Chark.

 
Starting Lockett and DK Metcalf in one league.

Would love to see a shoot out in LA tonight.

At the very least one of these guys scores.

 
As of now I am starting Penny over Lockett in the Flex (.5 ppr) and I also have Carson starting.  Too many weeks of getting 4-6 targets.  

Tough decision but feel Penny will get his touches. 

 
TheWinz said:
I think it takes more stones to start Lockett.  If I need 10 points, I would start any number of guys over Lockett.  If I need 20+, I'd roll with Lockett.
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Agree. I’m agonizing over Lockett versus Beasley. I think I’m gonna need the ceiling. I have 7 minuets to decide...

 
Lehigh98 said:
Ugh, too many inconsistent WR's and I can't afford single digits.

Need to decide to sit one of Lockett, Chark, and Pascal.  Right now may  be a coin flip between Lockett and Chark.
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And of course I didn't even consider Emmanuel Sanders who's lighting it up on my bench (6pts for passing TDs).   :wall:

 
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Tyler Lockett caught 4-of-5 targets for 43 yards in Week 14 against the Rams.

It's an improvement from last week, when Lockett was held catchless on three targets. He continued to get outplayed by both D.K Metcalf and Jacob Hollister. Lockett has been held under 50 yards in four straight weeks. He's a boom-or-bust FLEX for the fantasy semifinals.

Dec 8, 2019, 11:58 PM ET
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oddsbodkins said:
Stapled to the bench rest of the way. It's ridiculous how they use this guy.
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I'm not sure I'll have a choice but to start him in the semis. It would be him vs. some waiver wire scrub.

At least things started trending up every so slightly in terms of both targets, receptions, and yards.

The matchup is there for SEA to absolutely crush CAR and maybe K. Allen can keep it close enough so Wilson has to keep throwing.

 
I was inspired by his usage last night.  CAR has given up the 11th most to WR's in my league scoring, and I am seriously considering starting him.  On the flip side, CAR has allowed the most fantasy points to RB's, so SEA may keep it on the ground quite a bit.  The flip side to that is Penny may be out.  Another positive is the SEA/CAR game is an early one, so at least you won't have to suffer the decision too long.

 
If you take out his top two games he’s outside the top 50.  Also we all knew he had unsustainable efficiency on very low usage for a year and a half.  The chickens have come to roost Bobby. 
edited to add I’m starting James White from now on.  

 
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Anyone who watched the game can tell you... it's Russ. He missed two shots to him, one where Lockett had a 50+ yard TD bomb but he had to slow down and the defender caught up. Ramsey was on Metcalf and Moore/Turner most of the night, Lockett had Hill on him and Russ just didn't make it a point to involve him until the 2nd half. Russ was just off/not in sync with a lot of throws. It's definitely not like Lockett was a decoy either; he got in and out of his routes fast and got open more than once. It's also possible Russell found a new featured WR in Metcalf.

 
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The Frankman said:
It's also possible Russell found a new featured WR in Metcalf.
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I think people may be overlooking this aspect. While Lockett’s dropoff could be Wilson missing Lockett deep or Lockett still not 100%, there is also the possibility that Russell likes to throw to the rookie. Lockett will rarely drop anything, but for him to be productive, Russ needs to put the ball where it needs to be. Metcalf is such a freak of nature that Russ can probably just put in his vicinity, and this helps a lot if he doesn’t have a lot of time to throw.

In this offense, there has rarely been a lot of volume to go around, and if Metcalf is getting his, there’s not a lot left to go around.

 
zamboni said:
I think people may be overlooking this aspect. While Lockett’s dropoff could be Wilson missing Lockett deep or Lockett still not 100%, there is also the possibility that Russell likes to throw to the rookie. Lockett will rarely drop anything, but for him to be productive, Russ needs to put the ball where it needs to be. Metcalf is such a freak of nature that Russ can probably just put in his vicinity, and this helps a lot if he doesn’t have a lot of time to throw.

In this offense, there has rarely been a lot of volume to go around, and if Metcalf is getting his, there’s not a lot left to go around.
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This is what I see as well.  Metcalf is the WR 1 in Seatle now.   

 
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