WR Tyreek Hill, MIA (10 Viewers)

[ffmail4me]

I just hope someone responsible adopts this kid. I want Hill to play football because he's fun to watch, but he doesn't deserve to be a father, that seems pretty obvious at this point. 

 

[Football Jones]

But the taped conversation, they both talked about her being upstairs and him being alone with the kid downstairs. 

Actually, I believe Tyreek said he didn’t know what happened to his arm.

She also stated in a text she abused him. If they’re going to fake it, they would’ve said something that indicated an accident to benefit them both.

What to believe? I dunno.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Actually, I believe Tyreek said he didn’t know what happened to his arm.

She also stated in a text she abused him. If they’re going to fake it, they would’ve said something that indicated an accident to benefit them both.

What to believe? I dunno.

Yeah, believe some texts that he could have made himself over a recorded conversation where he also threatened her. That wasn’t faked. Wishful thinking.

 

[Football Jones]

Yeah, believe some texts that he could have over a recorded conversation where he also threatened her. That wasn’t faked. Wishful thinking.

I’m not excusing what he said, but correlating a heated comment with child abuse is really stretching it.

Lots of emotion in this thread & some posters have taken an undeserved beating, IMO. Let’s see how this fleshes out. 

I don’t see how anyone can come to a concrete conclusion right now, especially with the latest developments (her tweet, etc.).

That’s all I’m saying.

 

[voiceofunreason]

I’m not excusing what he said, but correlating a heated comment with child abuse is really stretching it.

Lots of emotion in this thread & some posters have taken an undeserved beating, IMO. Let’s see how this fleshes out. 

I don’t see how anyone can come to a concrete conclusion right now, especially with the latest developments (her tweet, etc.).

That’s all I’m saying.

So he forgot that his wife broke his kids arm during their taped conversation?

 

[Football Jones]

So he forgot that his wife broke his kids arm during their taped conversation?

LOL. I just told you Tyreek said he didn’t know how his kid broke his arm. What are you not getting?

At this point, they both look really bad & as far as straight child abuse, the chances she did it just went WAY up with these latest developments.

 

[voiceofunreason]

LOL. I just told you Tyreek said he didn’t know how his kid broke his arm. What are you not getting?

At this point, they both look really bad & as far as straight child abuse, the chances she did it just went WAY up with these latest developments.

I apologize to soulfly. I thought the whole Gordon thread was the worst.

 

[NightStalkers]

I’m not excusing what he said, but correlating a heated comment with child abuse is really stretching it.

Lots of emotion in this thread & some posters have taken an undeserved beating, IMO. Let’s see how this fleshes out. 

I don’t see how anyone can come to a concrete conclusion right now, especially with the latest developments (her tweet, etc.).

That’s all I’m saying.

To me this is not totally true.  He threatened her  by saying you should be terrified of me …..  That alone is damning for the league.  He has a prior conviction for DV.  This can be considered in any discipline he gets.  Its in the CBA.  She spent the whole time in the recording accusing him.  The league is not putting the mother on trail.  Hill has to convince Goodell that he is totally innocent.  The burden of proof is on Hill not the league to say he didn't do this, as the state has said he is not a fit parent or he would have gotten custody if the state believed him.  The league doesn't have to convince a jury in a he said she said.  The league can ban him forever.  If he admits that he did it the state of Kansas will get him.  If he lies or doesn't testify the league can suspend him for that alone.  He has very little chance to get out of this once that recording came out.  Even if he gets just a year he can be informally banished like Ray Rice.  This is a 3 year old and likely the doctor's have talked to the kid when he went to the hospital.  They are trained to look for abuse.  In my opinion he has played his last down in the NFL

 

[Football Jones]

To me this is not totally true.  He threatened her  by saying you should be terrified of me …..  That alone is damning for the league.  He has a prior conviction for DV.  This can be considered in any discipline he gets.  Its in the CBA.  She spent the whole time in the recording accusing him.  The league is not putting the mother on trail.  Hill has to convince Goodell that he is totally innocent.  The burden of proof is on Hill not the league to say he didn't do this, as the state has said he is not a fit parent or he would have gotten custody if the state believed him.  The league doesn't have to convince a jury in a he said she said.  The league can ban him forever.  If he admits that he did it the state of Kansas will get him.  If he lies or doesn't testify the league can suspend him for that alone.  He has very little chance to get out of this once that recording came out.  Even if he gets just a year he can be informally banished like Ray Rice.  This is a 3 year old and likely the doctor's have talked to the kid when he went to the hospital.  They are trained to look for abuse.  In my opinion he has played his last down in the NFL

Very highly unlikely Hill has played his last down. That said, he could be in for a year if things don’t really fall his way.

BTW, supposedly the hospital passed it off as an accident. Just so many unknowns right now.

Personally, I’m not ready to say for sure what happened. I don’t see how anyone can make a final determination at this point, but to each his own.

 

[Football Jones]

I apologize to soulfly. I thought the whole Gordon thread was the worst. You, meno and the ref have destroyed that and are just so much farther ahead.

And no lol, the whole thing isn’t funny to most of us. She said she was upstairs while he was downstairs with their kid when it happened. And he never argued with her. But keep making excuses for him. Maybe a parallel dimension Hill did it and they just think it was him.

Now you’re saying I think it’s funny & I’m making excuses for him.

You believe it’s cut & dried, which for those of us not involved in the investigation is a bold statement considering the latest developments. 

Before I get banned, let’s agree to disagree.

 

[NightStalkers]

Very highly unlikely Hill has played his last down. That said, he could be in for a year if things don’t really fall his way.

BTW, supposedly the hospital passed it off as an accident. Just so many unknowns right now.

Personally, I’m not ready to say for sure what happened. I don’t see how anyone can make a final determination at this point, but to each his own.

I guess my main point is that NFL is not a courtroom.  Even if he is totally innocent the fact that the state took the kid away and the threat to the mother puts the entire emphasis on Hill to be  proven completely innocent to the league and that will be hard about what he talked about in the recording.  Regardless of politics involved Kapernick is still not playing in the league and he didn't violate the CBA.  All he did was put the league in position to lose money.  That is a cardinal sin for the NFL.  No one is above the bottom line of the league.  Like you said in some aspects there is a big mess here between the two  parents but Hill can potentially cost the league money and that is the big thing on why I think the way I do as far as him not playing again.  

 

[Football Jones]

I guess my main point is that NFL is not a courtroom.  Even if he is totally innocent the fact that the state took the kid away and the threat to the mother puts the entire emphasis on Hill to be  proven completely innocent to the league and that will be hard about what he talked about in the recording.  Regardless of politics involved Kapernick is still not playing in the league and he didn't violate the CBA.  All he did was put the league in position to lose money.  That is a cardinal sin for the NFL.  No one is above the bottom line of the league.  Like you said in some aspects there is a big mess here between the two  parents but Hill can potentially cost the league money and that is the big thing on why I think the way I do as far as him not playing again.  

You could be right if things get vetted out.

No doubt about that.

 

[NightStalkers]

You could be right if things get vetted out.

No doubt about that.

For me I never owned him unless he was basically free.  Guys like Mixon, Hunt, Zeke are just too expensive to lose the dynasty value hence I don't have any of them.  I am not sure what the line is as far as character on a dynasty team but I know the risk mitigation is something people don't always consider...

 

[ChiefD]

Jesus H. SaveTheMoney....

Fellas, they are trying so hard to save the contract. That is all that is going on here. Hill is the one with the violence background - not her. And now they know they were literally days from him signing a massive contract.

Those two are so trying to cover for each other it is comical at this point. All this BS coming out is to try and save his career and the money.

That’s it. This dude is guilty as hell. 

 

[Milkman]

No way he's out of the league without charges or more evidence than we have. Which the DA likely has all the evidence there is going to be and didn't press charges. Rumor has it even after the recording was released they didn't officially reopen the case. 

Chances are good he's playing this year if nothing else comes out.......

I have no idea if he's guilty or not. He might just be dumb. People think of things they should have said during a verbal argument all the time after the fact. 

 

[FF Ninja]

I'm sure they wrote everything out in perfect grammatical English. Hill doesn't speak that way but when he send text messages he sure does.

This was the first thing that crossed my mind, too. Would be funny to see the rest of his text messages just to see how incongruent the language is with that text.

Right? If 'reek only calls her "bro" verbally, why would anyone believe he'd type out her name, let alone use proper sentence structure?

fwiw....it states in there that the text messages have been forensically reviewed and verified to be authentic...and they go back over a period of time, not just recently......and I guess with everything going on once the investigation started a long time ago.... if I was Tyreek I would be crossing my I's and dotting my T's in a text message exchange that I knew could be reproduced letter by letter and used at some point.....so I would be minding my P's and Q's with things that are digitally written.....he probably and (obviously ) felt differently about things that were said verbally, not knowing he was being recorded....and thought anything that was said would be somebody's word against his....again not defending Hill, but I could see how his tone and choice of words would be different in texts then it would be verbally...

That's assuming he could write/speak that well if he wanted to, but it sure as hell doesn't explain how proper her response was.

 

[kface]

The guy has clear anger issues and with his past it's the proverbial 'where there is smoke there is fire'

At this point it's the equivalent of 'i don't know how this stolen merchandise got in my car'

 

[BassNBrew]

The guy has clear anger issues and with his past it's the proverbial 'where there is smoke there is fire'

At this point it's the equivalent of 'i don't know how this stolen merchandise got in my the family car'

One small change there.

 

[Jayrok]

Jussie Smollett believes the texts are authentic. 

 

[fruity pebbles]

If there wasn’t an innocent three year old at the center of this, the whole thing would be comical.

 

[Jayrok]

Jesus H. SaveTheMoney....

Fellas, they are trying so hard to save the contract. That is all that is going on here. Hill is the one with the violence background - not her. And now they know they were literally days from him signing a massive contract.

Those two are so trying to cover for each other it is comical at this point. All this BS coming out is to try and save his career and the money.

That’s it. This dude is guilty as hell. 

Yep. She realized the cash flow is being threatened.  If he wasn't in the league she'd already ran over him in the bus multiple times.  

 

[Faust]

Tyreek Hill's letter raises questions but this is clear: He'll stay in NFL if he isn't charged

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Tyreek Hill's letter raises questions but this is clear: He'll stay in NFL if he isn't charged

Yep far too talented....

 

[menobrown]

Tyreek Hill's letter raises questions but this is clear: He'll stay in NFL if he isn't charged

Good article but I've always considered it a given if he's not charged he keeps playing, quite possibly even in 2019.  No idea if he could ever come back from a conviction.

 

[Young 8]

Tyreek Hill's letter raises questions but this is clear: He'll stay in NFL if he isn't charged

"So you're telling me there's a chance"

 

[Soulfly3]

@AdamSchefter

Chiefs were so determined to add more WR talent that they gave undrafted Syracuse WR Jamal Custis over $100K in guaranteed money, believed to be the highest guarantee for any undrafted WR over the past two drafts, per source.

 

[kittenmittens]

"So you're telling me there's a chance"

I think he's definitely suspended.  I think the question is for how long and does he remain on the Chiefs.

Even if he didn't do anything, he brought bad PR to the shield. 

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think he's definitely suspended.  I think the question is for how long and does he remain on the Chiefs.

Even if he didn't do anything, he brought bad PR to the shield. 

6 to 8 game suspension if they dont charge/convict

 

[Milkman]

I think he's definitely suspended.  I think the question is for how long and does he remain on the Chiefs.

Even if he didn't do anything, he brought bad PR to the shield. 

4-6 games with him getting it reduced by 2 games. Stays a chief. As of right now. Who knows what comes out next. Could change everything.......

 

[menobrown]

I think it's likely he gets a 6 game suspension if not charged but I'm not ruling out they would deem this as his second offense which would likely lead to an indefinite suspension which is basically a year suspension if stays out of trouble.

When that audio dropped I made peace with him not being on my teams in 2019 and just hoped he'd be on them in 2020. Things change a lot on the Tyreek Hill roller coaster ride but fact Chiefs have not released him and various reports suggest the case may in fact not have been reopened make me feel way better about his career not being over then I did when that audio dropped. Also now have at least some hope he can actually play in 2019.

 

[Milkman]

8 games of Tyreek would still be huge for the FF season. 2-3 games to get back in the groove and then nuclear for weeks 13-17.........

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Just for fun...

1. If you were the owners of the Chiefs what would you do RIGHT NOW with Hill?

2. If you were Roger/NFL what would you do RIGHT NOW with Hill?

Hope to hear from some of the more active in this thread......but probably won’t....because part of the answer will probably include....”Just what they are doing right now cause I’d wait to hear more details”....which wasn’t the case for many in here days/weeks ago when slamming on the Chiefs and the league...

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I think it's likely he gets a 6 game suspension if not charged but I'm not ruling out they would deem this as his second offense which would likely lead to an indefinite suspension which is basically a year suspension if stays out of trouble.

When that audio dropped I made peace with him not being on my teams in 2019 and just hoped he'd be on them in 2020. Things change a lot on the Tyreek Hill roller coaster ride but fact Chiefs have not released him and various reports suggest the case may in fact not have been reopened make me feel way better about his career not being over then I did when that audio dropped. Also now have at least some hope he can actually play in 2019.

So are you saying he would be suspended the 6 solely based on what he said in the recording....him saying you should be scared of me too #####...?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

6 to 8 game suspension if they dont charge/convict

Just because he told her to be scared of him in the audio...?....serious question

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So are you saying he would be suspended the 6 solely based on what he said in the recording....him saying you should be scared of me too #####...?

 Nope....he gets 6 to 8 games for putting the shield in a bad light.....you know how this works ref....

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Just because he told her to be scared of him in the audio...?....serious question

He has been investigated by the police 3 timez now....

 

[Dez]

Hill went at 6.1 in the FFPC live on air draft I am watching right now.  Went in 17th round in RTS the other day.

 

[Milkman]

The audio was really bad as far as public perception. He's going to be suspended for that. How long? We're all guessing but I suppose the NFL will be forced to drop the hammer a bit. 

If there was no audio there would be a lot of mad posters in here after the NFL let him off the hook. 

 

[menobrown]

So are you saying he would be suspended the 6 solely based on what he said in the recording....him saying you should be scared of me too #####...?

Honestly that's a pretty odd question to me considering I've never even brought up that comment from Hill.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

 Nope....he gets 6 to 8 games for putting the shield in a bad light.....you know how this works ref....

Talib admitted he was so drunk and stoned he “didn’t remember” shooting himself in a public park outside a strip club where shots just “coincidently went off as well earlier” ...at least that is his “story”....endangering I dont know how many people with death.....and he got nothing.....I would have thought that would put the shield in a bad light too....

We’ll see....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Honestly that's a pretty odd question to me considering I've never even brought up that comment from Hill.

You said 6 games “if not charged” and then said “after the audio dropped” you just assumed you wouldn’t have him for 2019....so was just putting the pieces together....

 

[NightStalkers]

I think you guys need to look at an article posted on pg 61 of this thread

https://sports.yahoo.com/tyreek-hill-avoids-child-abuse-030338446.html

Among the article is this:

Goodell can decide, based on factors he deems relevant, whether Hill engaged in wrongdoing. Goodell also has full discretion in determining an appropriate punishment. According to league protocols for first-time offenses of family violence, players are expected to receive “a baseline suspension without pay of six games.” However, this punishment can be enhanced or reduced if Goodell finds “aggravating or mitigating factors.” The fact that Hill had a prior violent incident with Espinal could lead the commissioner to impose a more severe punishment.

This was published before the recording came out.  His and her own words are in the public domain now.  Goodell is not bound by law and order in a court.  All he has to do is believe the recording of her accusing him of the abuse.  He can ignore the recent text from his lawyer.  The commissioner has complete authority to do whatever he feels is justified by the CBA.  Why would Goodell take the business risk of allowing a possible child abuser who has a previous DV conviction to potentially have the league look bad by letting him play again?  Remember he has no visitation rights to the child now.  The mother has supervised rights of visitation.  The state seems to know who did this, just a question of whether they can gather enough to charge Hill.  

In my opinion he has a better chance of getting his pay this year on the commissioners list while on appeal than getting another contract.  Most of the people that think he will be back point to the fact that teams can't help themselves and bring Hill back after a while.  That is up to Goodell not the teams.  The league just settled with Kapernick over basically putting the word out that they didn't want him back.  I would like someone to make a convincing business argument over why the league should take the chance with someone who is being accused of abuse of a 3 year old? 

Hill could be the 1 in a 1000 that could be completely innocent.  How is that going to be proved to Goodell after the recording from the mother saying what she said?  It's not a court,  Goodell basically can take the stance that the recording said he was alone with the child when the arm was broken and he can literally ignore anything else. Peterson got a year for his abuse.  The league is still getting crap for that and he didn't have the past DV history to my knowledge.   So it comes back to the business question why would the league take the chance?  

 

[BassNBrew]

So are you saying he would be suspended the 6 solely based on what he said in the recording....him saying you should be scared of me too #####...?

For him being banned from having contact with his kid because the kid was abused.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

For him being banned from having contact with his kid because the kid was abused.

They still don’t know what actually happened.....precautionary.....till they figure it out.....still could be Hill did nothing (arm)

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Talib admitted he was so drunk and stoned he “didn’t remember” shooting himself in a public park outside a strip club where shots just “coincidently went off as well earlier” ...at least that is his “story”....endangering I dont know how many people with death.....and he got nothing.....I would have thought that would put the shield in a bad light too....

We’ll see....

The times have changed my friend. What happened then doesn’t compare to what happens today

 

[Riddick02]

Just for fun...

1. If you were the owners of the Chiefs what would you do RIGHT NOW with Hill?

2. If you were Roger/NFL what would you do RIGHT NOW with Hill?

Hope to hear from some of the more active in this thread......but probably won’t....because part of the answer will probably include....”Just what they are doing right now cause I’d wait to hear more details”....which wasn’t the case for many in here days/weeks ago when slamming on the Chiefs and the league...

1. Release him. 

2. Exempt list until the conclusion of the NFL investigation.  At which time he will be suspended at least 6 games per the NFL's domestic violence policy with the possibility of indefinite suspension or ban depending on the investigation results and recommendations. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The times have changed my friend. What happened then doesn’t compare to what happens today

It was like less then 3 years ago

 

[Stinkin Ref]

1. Release him. 

2. Exempt list until the conclusion of the NFL investigation.  At which time he will be suspended at least 6 games per the NFL's domestic violence policy with the possibility of indefinite suspension or ban depending on the investigation results and recommendations. 

Cool...so why do you think the people that do this for a living haven’t done it yet....

1. do you think the other 31 teams would do it

2. So twice in your response you mention conclusion of investigation.....so not RIGHT NOW 

got it

so pretty much the people involved are doing what we would expect them to do......wait till it’s vetted out and then make kind of big decisions when they need too instead of snap decisions when information is still being  discovered almost every day.....crazy concept huh....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I think you guys need to look at an article posted on pg 61 of this thread

https://sports.yahoo.com/tyreek-hill-avoids-child-abuse-030338446.html

Among the article is this:

Goodell can decide, based on factors he deems relevant, whether Hill engaged in wrongdoing. Goodell also has full discretion in determining an appropriate punishment. According to league protocols for first-time offenses of family violence, players are expected to receive “a baseline suspension without pay of six games.” However, this punishment can be enhanced or reduced if Goodell finds “aggravating or mitigating factors.” The fact that Hill had a prior violent incident with Espinal could lead the commissioner to impose a more severe punishment.

This was published before the recording came out.  His and her own words are in the public domain now.  Goodell is not bound by law and order in a court.  All he has to do is believe the recording of her accusing him of the abuse.  He can ignore the recent text from his lawyer.  The commissioner has complete authority to do whatever he feels is justified by the CBA.  Why would Goodell take the business risk of allowing a possible child abuser who has a previous DV conviction to potentially have the league look bad by letting him play again?  Remember he has no visitation rights to the child now.  The mother has supervised rights of visitation.  The state seems to know who did this, just a question of whether they can gather enough to charge Hill.  

In my opinion he has a better chance of getting his pay this year on the commissioners list while on appeal than getting another contract.  Most of the people that think he will be back point to the fact that teams can't help themselves and bring Hill back after a while.  That is up to Goodell not the teams.  The league just settled with Kapernick over basically putting the word out that they didn't want him back.  I would like someone to make a convincing business argument over why the league should take the chance with someone who is being accused of abuse of a 3 year old? 

Hill could be the 1 in a 1000 that could be completely innocent.  How is that going to be proved to Goodell after the recording from the mother saying what she said?  It's not a court,  Goodell basically can take the stance that the recording said he was alone with the child when the arm was broken and he can literally ignore anything else. Peterson got a year for his abuse.  The league is still getting crap for that and he didn't have the past DV history to my knowledge.   So it comes back to the business question why would the league take the chance?  

So believe what she says in a conversation that she has pre planned to record.....but ignore/don’t believe the texts .....

sounds reasonable to me...

.....

 

[Football Jones]

The verified time-stamped texts are the most damning evidence so far. Hill admitted to nothing in the audio & Crystal said she didn’t see how the broken arm went down. The audio is actually pretty worthless as far as the abuse allegation (broken arm).

I do know this...if the texts were swapped around & Hill admitted he did it, people would be ready to hang him on the spot.

Hill may very well be a scumbag who hasn’t learned his lesson, but there’s some real concerns now whether he did it.