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“Unlikely” wasn’t my takeaway. I think it was as responsible conjecture from a guy who knows the ropes that Tyreek’s situation looks more favorable than it might have a month ago but, depending on the state of numerous variables still unknown to us, he is still at substantial risk of prolonged, if not indefinite suspension.
Ok. Please be a little more certain next time before you claim "I'm sorry but FBG is not the ones to listen to on this situation. They have been as wrong as you could be from the beginning."
Ok I will but to be clear I am certain it was an FBG article and they had a little section at the bottom on Tyreek by himself. It was the WR tiers article put out last week or the week before. I just can't find that article.
Man, after hearing the full version, why in the world did the TV station only played the parts that they did other than trying to get ratings and probably was under the impression that the full version would never come out. Listen to the full version and remember Tyreek has no clue at all that this is being recorded. No wonder that his lawyers wanted the NFL to hear the full version. Lucky for them they were able to get the full version. But what if they weren’t able to get a copy of the full version, Tyreek would really be screwed.
Because the media has zero professionalism nor accountability. It's a travesty what these people get away with today.
I've been in the neutral "let's wait until we get all the details" camp but this is a stretch. You could maybe try to argue defamation, which then starts to get down the slippery slope of what is and isn't considered legally "false." Hill said what he said on tape. This is incontrovertible. It's not false. But by providing select clips in a certain context, did the station intentionally - and I'm not a lawyer but can dust off some comm law classes from Syracuse - and with actual malice release just one portion to serve their own agenda? That would be the key question.
Who knows when they had the unedited version or if they knowingly were playing the edited version but if they knew they probably cost him 20 million dollars. He might want to look into it.
According to the news lady that broke all the information about T. Hill in April...On April 25th she tweeted that she had the audio for a couple days, she only released it when he was not charged and her "source" wanted her to.Milkman said:
Well I hope it was worth it. She should at the very least be fired and if I was Tyreek I'd sue them for the money I lost. I'd go after them. That's at the very least completely unprofessional and at its worst they were knowingly framing Tyreek.
I don't know how the full audio impacts Hill. I agree it does make the text messages look fake; but it also changes, somewhat, the context of the original audio clips that were released a while back.
I can't see Roger dinging Tyreek points for denying these old prior accusations in a private conversation to the one person in the world who was a witness to the actions he was accused of. When there are only two people in the elevator, they both know who farted.
I’d agree with you, if RG’s past actions were fair. I don’t believe they have been, so I have a hard time expecting that in the future.
Looks likes Tyreek has totally distanced himself from his girlfriend. Just needs to establish child support/custody now. I'm sure most people are not aware that she did the same thing basically in 2015. This is an article that it is mentioned in:
Guessing they are not getting back after this. Probably better for Hill's career. Not so much the child/children.
There was a time when we called it journalism. Then the professionalism, integrity, and accountability evaporated. Now it's just "media" which is quite accurate. It's outlets of mass dissemination of information without any intention of accuracy.
You don't have to be biased to buy into the fact that low-income defendants, especially young black males, get shafted by our legal system. I don't have an opinion either way because we'll never get any quality facts at this point but this happens every day in this country.jesseasi said:
We can hope that one day the pendulum will swing back to a place in which the clicks go to those who were accurate and responsible in the past... In football analysis and otherwise.
With a public defender, I’m not sure too many people accused of what Tyreek was being accused of, would plead not guilty. That plea agreement would be too hard to turn down, even if you were innocent. Probation for 3 years, after that, the charges are dismissed. No way I would fight those charges, even if I was innocent. I’m not saying that public defenders are horrible lawyers, I just think, with their caseloads, that they are not able to give the time and resource that a private attorney does. And I’m not saying Tyreek is innocent either.
If Tyreek would have moved on and stayed away from this girl I'd say it was 50/50 he was innocent. There is zero chance he would have stuck around w/ this girl if he was innocent and got kicked out of OSU and his draft stock plunged for something he didn't do because of her. I can see her sticking around if he did it for a pay day.
It seems like one of them is abusive in the relationship, psychologically, physically, or both. From all the conflicting stories I'm not sure which way it goes. It doesn't surprise me that neither of them has left the relationship before now, because it's often quite hard for the abused to leave the abuser. No matter who is at fault, it seems like it's for the best that they not stay together.
oh my...jesseasi said:
What is the theory here on the original incident? That Espinal choked herself out and punched her self in her pregnant belly?
if you click on the link and read it it talks about possibly no evidence of being punched in the belly....and her possibly self inflicting the wounds to her face and lip....and why Hill may have taken the deal even if he didn't do it....
I was under the impression they got back together after their son was born. I’m only basing that on the fact she sued him in 2015 in a paternity suit. Not sure how soon after the birth did they started seeing each other again. They did break up for awhile, not sure why he would have ever gotten back together with her, maybe for their boy, who knows. I’m not trying to defend him, hopefully, whichever one of them is lying, will get religious and feel the need to tell the truth.
That's the thing about getting religious, though. You are forgiven for previous sins and the slate is wiped clean. This isn't AA where you are supposed to apologize for your previous behavior.
If only it were that simple. He was 20 years old and in love (or at least in lust). This is the mother of his unborn child. We don't know why he stayed with her. There's even the "but Tyreek, I told the prosecutor I don't want to press charges, that I won't testify". Once a DA has the narrative available, facts don't matter. Any DA worth his salt will wipe the floor with against a PD when he's got an initial complaint of domestic abuse backed by hospital records that look anywhere near supporting it.
The current narrative is that he told her he was going to break things off, and then later that night she showed up at the hospital with bruises on her face. One of the nurses (anonymous) said that they and other workers (but not all) thought the wounds looked self inflicted, and that there had been no punch to the stomach.
He's not suspended. The team told him to stay home during OTA's, which is kind of a little like a de facto suspension, but there's nothing official out there yet. I don't think anyone "has" to do anything at this point.
The longer they wait the more it seems the suspension will be on the longer side. There is just no upside to waiting until we are into the preseason.
Sounds like you're lucky enough not to know people in highly disfunctional relationships. It gets even harder with kids involved. Your confident "zero chance" commentary is hilariously ignorant though. If only you were correct about people as a rule staying away from people who are destructive towards them. But you aren't.
Really, there's no official team suspension right now? That's odd, he's got the suspended symbol on MFL sites.
https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NFL/2019/04/26/Chiefs-deeply-disturbed-by-Tyreek-Hill-audio-WR-barred-from-team-activities/2471556289082/
I don't know who if anyone of those 2 is telling the truth. I listened to the recording and all I heard was those 2 accusing each other of lying and abusing the child except he did threaten her. One thing I just saw on Wikipedia is that Hill pleaded guilty to the 2014 incident. His words in the tape denying any violence to her don't jibe with the guilty plea.
