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QB	WSL1	WSL2	WSL3	WSL4	ADPDrew Brees	1	1	1	1	1Peyton Maning	2	2	2	2	2Phil Rivers	3	3	3	4	3.25Jay Cutler	4	6	4	6	5Aaron Rodgers	5	7	5	5	5.5Tony Romo	6	5	7	7	6.25Tom Brady	10	4	6	8	7Kurt Warner	8	10	9	3	7.5Donovan McNabb	7	8	8	9	8Matt Schaub	9	11	10	10	10Big Ben	11	9	11	11	10.5Eli Manning	12	13	14	13	13Carson Palmer	13	12	12	19	14Matt Ryan	14	14	15	14	14.25David Garrard	15	15	13	16	14.75Chad Pennington	17	16	16	15	16Joe Flacco	16	17	23	17	18.25Tyler Thigpen	19	25	17	12	18.25Matt Hasslebeck	22	18	18	22	20Jason Campbell	20	20	19	24	20.75Jamarcus Russell	18	19	26	21	21Jake Delhomme	23	22	24	18	21.75Brady Quinn	21	21	21	25	22Matt Cassel	24	23	22	23	23Kyle Orton	27	27	27	20	25.25Shaun Hill	30	26	20		25.33333333MarcBulger	25	24	28	27	26Trent Edwards	26	28	25	26	26.25Jon Kitna	28	30	29		29Kerry Collins	29	29	30		29.33333333

 

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RB

WSL1	WSL2	WSL3	WSL4	ADPAdrian Peterson	1	1	1	1	1Michael Turner	3	3	4	3	3.25DeAngelo Williams	7	2	3	4	4Matt Forte	2	9	2	5	4.5Steven Jackson	4	5	7	2	4.5Maurice Jones-Drew	5	4	6	7	5.5Brian Westbrook	6	6	5	6	5.75Chris Johnson	8	7	8	8	7.75LaDainian Tomlinson	11	8	9	13	10.25Clinton Portis	9	10	10	12	10.25Steve Slaton	10	13	12	9	11Marion Barber III	12	14	11	11	12Frank Gore	13	12	13	10	12Marshawn Lynch	14	11	14	14	13.25Brandon Jacobs	17	15	15	15	15.5Ronnie Brown	15	17	20	16	17Reggie Bush	16	18	17	18	17.25Joseph Addai	20	19	16	17	18Thomas Jones	22	16	18	19	18.75Pierre Thomas	19	22	19	20	20Kevin Smith	21	21	21	23	21.5Darren McFadden	18	23	26	22	22.25Larry Johnson	25	20	22	25	23Ryan Grant	23	24	24	21	23John Stewart	26	26	23	24	24.75Willie Parker	24	25	25	27	25.25LenDale White	28	27	27	30	28Tim Hightower	29	29	29	26	28.25Jamal Lewis	27	28	31	32	29.5Knowshon Moreno	32	30	30	29	30.25Derrick Ward	34	32	32	28	31.5Willis McGahee	31	31	28	42	33LeRon McClain	35	35	34	34	34.5Chris Wells	40	33	36	31	35Darrne Sproles	39	34	35	33	35.25Cedric Benson	30	42	33	37	35.5Leon Washington	37	36	41	35	37.25Jerious Norwood		37	38		37.5Ernie Graham	33	38	40	40	37.75LeShaun McCoy		39	39	38	39Laurence Maroney	36	46	43		41.66666667Fred Jackson	38	44	46		42.66666667Rashard Mendenhall		43	47	39	45

 

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WR	WSL1	WSL2	WSL3	WSL4	ADPLarry Fitzgerald	1	1	1	1	1Andre Johnson	2	2	2	2	2Reggie Wayne 	3	3	5	8	4.75Calvin Johnson	4	5	7	5	5.25Brandon Marshall	5	6	6	6	5.75Steve Smith 	6	7	8	3	6Randy Moss	10	9	3	4	6.5Roddy White	8	4	10	7	7.25Greg Jennings	9	10	9	10	9.5Andquan Boldin	11	8	12	9	10Marques Colston	7	12	11	11	10.25Terrell Owens 	15	11	4	17	11.75Wes Welker	12	14	13	12	12.75Dwayne Bowe	18	13	14	13	14.5TJ Hous	14	16	15	14	14.75Chad Johnson	17	15	20	15	16.75Eddie Royal	16	18	19	18	17.75Braylon Edwards	20	17	16	20	18.25Antonio Bryant	19	23	17	16	18.75Lee Evans 	22	19	18	21	20Vincent Jackson	21	20	21	23	21.25Lance Moore	13	31	27	22	23.25Santana Moss	27	22	23	26	24.5DeSean Jackson	25	24	22	30	25.25Jerricho Cotchery	23	27	24	27	25.25Santonio Holmes	29	26	28	19	25.5Hines Ward	26	25	29	25	26.25Roy Williams	24	30	33	24	27.75Anthony Gonzales 	31	29	25	28	28.25Bernard Berrian	32	21	36	32	30.25Derrick Mason	28	34	31	31	31Donald Driver	35	28	32	33	32Kevin Walter	36	33	34	29	33Steve Breaston	30	35	37	36	34.5Michael Crabtree	40	38	26	34	34.5Lavernous Coles	34	32	38	38	35.5Torry Holt	33	36	35	41	36.25Donnie Avery	37	37	41	35	37.5Plaxico 	42	43	30	37	38Deion Branch	38	39	43	44	41Kevin Curtis	43	40	39	45	41.75Mark Clayton	41	42	47	40	42.5Tedd Ginn JR	39	48	44	39	42.5Matt Jones	45	45	40	42	43Justin Gage	50	41	42	48	45.25Chris Chambers	44	46	45	46	45.25Devin Hester	49	47	48		48Issac Bruce	46	49	52		49Nate Burleson	55	44	51	49	49.75Mushin Muhammed 	52	51	49		50.66666667Steve Smith(NYG)	54	53	54	43	51Dominik Hixon	47	54	59		53.33333333Mike Jenkins	51	52	57		53.33333333Marv Harrison	60	57	46		54.33333333davone bess	53	50	61		54.66666667Jeremy Maclin	64	55	53	47	54.75Greg Camarillo	48	56	68		57.33333333Antwaan Randle-el	56	64	56		58.66666667Percy Harvin	58	68	50		58.66666667Nate Washington		58	60		59Sidney Rice	57	67	58		60.66666667Bobby Engram	59	65	70		64.66666667

 

[glumpy]

Might coulda waited until you had all four to work with.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

random thoughts:

I suck at formatting

Phil Rivers is overrated

MB3 is underrated

Colston looks to be great WR value this season

People jumped on Antonio Bryant way too early

The Rookie RBs all look to be solid value all averaging 30+ in the ADP we all know that at least one will finish top 20

The RB's 1 -16

Adrian Peterson

Michael Turner

DeAngelo Williams

Matt Forte

Maurice Jones-Drew

Steven Jackson

Brian Westbrook

Chris Johnson

LaDainian Tomlinson

Clinton Portis

Steve Slaton

Marion Barber III

Frank Gore

Marshawn Lynch

Brandon Jacobs

Reggie Bush

I just see a ton of landminds in there this season

 

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sorry glump!

 

[ravnzfan]

random thoughts: I suck at formattingPhil Rivers is overratedMB3 is underratedColston looks to be great WR value this seasonPeople jumped on Antonio Bryant way too earlyThe Rookie RBs all look to be solid value all averaging 30+ in the ADP we all know that at least one will finish top 20The RB's 1 -16 Adrian PetersonMichael TurnerDeAngelo WilliamsMatt ForteMaurice Jones-DrewSteven JacksonBrian WestbrookChris JohnsonLaDainian TomlinsonClinton PortisSteve SlatonMarion Barber IIIFrank GoreMarshawn LynchBrandon JacobsReggie BushI just see a ton of landminds in there this season

OUTSTANDING work sniff-a-doodle!trying for a paid staff position, or what now that our draft is over, I have to ask regarding Mr Bryant...while last season's finish @WR9 is likely a career year--I get that--@WR19, who do we move ahead of him and where do you see him....WR25....30...35+?I'll hang up and listen

 

[Toads]

ADP is a correlate that ranks players relative to the their Average Draft Position.

What you've published is a ranking relative to player position; where players are drafted within a player position.

There's a difference.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

ADP is a correlate that ranks players relative to the their Average Draft Position.

What you've published is a ranking relative to player position; where players are drafted within a player position.

There's a difference.

lol

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

random thoughts: I suck at formattingPhil Rivers is overratedMB3 is underratedColston looks to be great WR value this seasonPeople jumped on Antonio Bryant way too earlyThe Rookie RBs all look to be solid value all averaging 30+ in the ADP we all know that at least one will finish top 20The RB's 1 -16 Adrian PetersonMichael TurnerDeAngelo WilliamsMatt ForteMaurice Jones-DrewSteven JacksonBrian WestbrookChris JohnsonLaDainian TomlinsonClinton PortisSteve SlatonMarion Barber IIIFrank GoreMarshawn LynchBrandon JacobsReggie BushI just see a ton of landminds in there this season

OUTSTANDING work sniff-a-doodle!trying for a paid staff position, or what now that our draft is over, I have to ask regarding Mr Bryant...while last season's finish @WR9 is likely a career year--I get that--@WR19, who do we move ahead of him and where do you see him....WR25....30...35+?I'll hang up and listen

nah FBG couldnt afford me LOLI think Bryant caught the perfect storm.He might not be back in tampa, garcia might not be back, gruden is gone for sure. Plus he's a known character risk. to quote you way to risky

 

[Toads]

Might coulda waited until you had all four to work with.

Who woulda thought of that?It's not a perfect world.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

i was just trying to generate some discussion.

most people in your draft should have had those numbers worked out by now.

sorry to disappoint

 

[glumpy]

i was just trying to generate some discussion.most people in your draft should have had those numbers worked out by now.sorry to disappoint

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Thanks BSS.

I think this view is the best for now as it is all relative value.

ADP doesn't mean much as it is (A) survivor, (B) 16 teams and © 2 Pts PPR for TEs.

I'd rather see what QB is considered Top 10, Top 20, etc. and so on.

I'm considering Eddie Royal as my Roddy White this year. He could repeat, explode or nto justify that draft spot whatsoever.

Personally I don't see much of any upside in taking him in the Top 15-20. He finished there and I don't see him as Top 10 next year - and if he is, it'd be by a slim margin. So basically I think you're buying too high if you draft him in your Top 15.

Antonio Bryant's far, far worse. Good luck with him and without Garcia? That could be an ugly pick.

 

[Toads]

i was just trying to generate some discussion.

most people in your draft should have had those numbers worked out by now.

sorry to disappoint

Why totally disregard a forth:1) source and

2) ongoing process?

It's as if WSL #4 doesn't exist. The sixteen guys laboring there have a perspective that's just as valid for your purpose as that of the first three processes. Their perspective has also changed just a bit.....WSL #4 is a couple of weeks different in it's information flow. News events have changed the layout; tweaked it just "a little bit."

WSL-#4 "has it all worked out" through nine plus rounds. Why not included it in your study? Why not wait a day, have it catch up to your reporting limits and have it not be biased by your report?

You served your purpose: you generated some discussion.

And, DeShaun Jackson spells his first name DeSean.

 

[Toads]

Thanks BSS.

I think this view is the best for now as it is all relative value.

ADP doesn't mean much as it is (A) survivor, (B) 16 teams and © 2 Pts PPR for TEs.

I'd rather see what QB is considered Top 10, Top 20, etc. and so on.

I'm considering Eddie Royal as my Roddy White this year. He could repeat, explode or not justify that draft spot whatsoever.

Personally I don't see much of any upside in taking him in the Top 15-20. He finished there and I don't see him as Top 10 next year - and if he is, it'd be by a slim margin. So basically I think you're buying too high if you draft him in your Top 15.

Antonio Bryant's far, far worse. Good luck with him and without Garcia? That could be an ugly pick.

Jeff, you got that right.Scheme change, regime change here. He could end up as Wes Welker reincarnated or get his targets reduced accordingly. It depends on his roll in the NEP clone OFF.

If he's occupying the deep threat receiver, he's got a limited use pattern (see Moss, Randy). If he's occupying the intermediate receiver, he's got a limited use pattern (see Gafney, Jabar). If he's the short range pass-instead-of-run receiver option, he's got a high use pattern.

We just need to figure out which receiver position he'll occupy.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

i was just trying to generate some discussion.

most people in your draft should have had those numbers worked out by now.

sorry to disappoint

Why totally disregard a forth:1) source and

2) ongoing process?

It's as if WSL #4 doesn't exist. The sixteen guys laboring there have a perspective that's just as valid for your purpose as that of the first three processes. Their perspective has also changed just a bit.....WSL #4 is a couple of weeks different in it's information flow. News events have changed the layout; tweaked it just "a little bit."

WSL-#4 "has it all worked out" through nine plus rounds. Why not included it in your study? Why not wait a day, have it catch up to your reporting limits and have it not be biased by your report?

You served your purpose: you generated some discussion.

And, DeShaun Jackson spells his first name DeSean.

While I encourage your enthusiasm, temper your expectations. WSL4 will likely be folded into the results once the later rounds hit.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

i was just trying to generate some discussion.

most people in your draft should have had those numbers worked out by now.

sorry to disappoint

Why totally disregard a forth:1) source and

2) ongoing process?

It's as if WSL #4 doesn't exist. The sixteen guys laboring there have a perspective that's just as valid for your purpose as that of the first three processes. Their perspective has also changed just a bit.....WSL #4 is a couple of weeks different in it's information flow. News events have changed the layout; tweaked it just "a little bit."

WSL-#4 "has it all worked out" through nine plus rounds. Why not included it in your study? Why not wait a day, have it catch up to your reporting limits and have it not be biased by your report?

You served your purpose: you generated some discussion.

And, DeShaun Jackson spells his first name DeSean.

it would take about 5 minutes to add wsl4 in.and I just might!

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

i was just trying to generate some discussion.

most people in your draft should have had those numbers worked out by now.

sorry to disappoint

Why totally disregard a forth:1) source and

2) ongoing process?

It's as if WSL #4 doesn't exist. The sixteen guys laboring there have a perspective that's just as valid for your purpose as that of the first three processes. Their perspective has also changed just a bit.....WSL #4 is a couple of weeks different in it's information flow. News events have changed the layout; tweaked it just "a little bit."

WSL-#4 "has it all worked out" through nine plus rounds. Why not included it in your study? Why not wait a day, have it catch up to your reporting limits and have it not be biased by your report?

You served your purpose: you generated some discussion.

And, DeShaun Jackson spells his first name DeSean.

can you confirm or deny the spelling of LeShaun McCoy?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

bump

edit to add the league 4 hacks!!!! LOL

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

bumpedit to add the league 4 hacks!!!! LOL

Hey watch it. We ain't no stinkin' Hacks. Weese all play golf pretty good. Probably got some guys that'd be on the PGA tour if dey weren't here draftin'.

 

[Toads]

bump

edit to add the league 4 hacks!!!! LOL

Hey watch it. We ain't no stinkin' Hacks. Weese all play golf pretty good. Probably got some guys that'd be on the PGA tour if dey weren't here draftin'.

Thanks for the update.It's nice to be put into the blender and have our round #9 HOMOGOENIZED. Nothing quite like being able to see what the other guys thought you missed.

McGahee lasted till the 8-9 turn....either for a reason or the cat was out of the bag. Gee, wonder which?

The next logical step is to update to pump out the latter half of the draft as it completes in WSL (#1-#3). Do us a BIG favor and let us think for ourselves.

 

[the_sig]

bump

edit to add the league 4 hacks!!!! LOL

Hey watch it. We ain't no stinkin' Hacks. Weese all play golf pretty good. Probably got some guys that'd be on the PGA tour if dey weren't here draftin'.

Thanks for the update.It's nice to be put into the blender and have our round #9 HOMOGOENIZED. Nothing quite like being able to see what the other guys thought you missed.

McGahee lasted till the 8-9 turn....either for a reason or the cat was out of the bag. Gee, wonder which?

The next logical step is to update to pump out the latter half of the draft as it completes in WSL (#1-#3). Do us a BIG favor and let us think for ourselves.

I figured for sure you were watching the RB's like a hawk @ the 8-9 turn as you only had Ronnie Brown on your roster for RB at that point. I was surprised you didn't take him with your 8.15 pick before he got to me with my 8.16/9.01 set of picks. I had planned to take Chester Taylor to cuff to ADP, as he went @ 9.01 in basically every other WSL draft...that was my plan anyways. With him going just before that spot, I looked at my list and figured McGahee would make a fine RB4

 

[Bri]

shaun hill is far better than his ADP on a per game basis

thanks for posting this BSS, it's interesting

 

[Bri]

eli without plax?

 

[Toads]

bump

edit to add the league 4 hacks!!!! LOL

Hey watch it. We ain't no stinkin' Hacks. Weese all play golf pretty good. Probably got some guys that'd be on the PGA tour if dey weren't here draftin'.

Thanks for the update.It's nice to be put into the blender and have our round #9 HOMOGOENIZED. Nothing quite like being able to see what the other guys thought you missed.

McGahee lasted till the 8-9 turn....either for a reason or the cat was out of the bag. Gee, wonder which?

The next logical step is to update to pump out the latter half of the draft as it completes in WSL (#1-#3). Do us a BIG favor and let us think for ourselves.

I figured for sure you were watching the RB's like a hawk @ the 8-9 turn as you only had Ronnie Brown on your roster for RB at that point. I was surprised you didn't take him with your 8.15 pick before he got to me with my 8.16/9.01 set of picks. I had planned to take Chester Taylor to cuff to ADP, as he went @ 9.01 in basically every other WSL draft...that was my plan anyways. With him going just before that spot, I looked at my list and figured McGahee would make a fine RB4

This is interesating to see how guys make decisions.In every competition I enter in FFB Land, I try to make it without RB's being my #1 priority. I do this almost to a fault. In variably, my goal is to "break even" at the RB position.

That works OK in most Leagues because there's sufficient waiver wire fodder.....of which none exists here.

I'm also interested in seeing how the teams develop, how guys make decissions and where players fall in the progression.

Of most interest, though, is "the where they fall" deal. In this type of draft, there's a bias towards the center....the guys there have a short fuse....eight or nine picks apart. The guys on the end have a 30 pick window....and that's a long time to sit and contemplate whether you want MaGahee, Willis as a team member.

Invariably, the competition comes down to who picks a winner, or several, in the 17th-20th rounds

Added By Edit: You shoulda taken Chester.

 

[Bri]

Did Lance Moore go before Housh in the draft denoted by the first column of that WR chart?

If so, why? what team are you pencilling each of them to be playing for etc.

Thanks

 

[Toads]

Did Lance Moore go before Housh in the draft denoted by the first column of that WR chart?

If so, why? what team are you pencilling each of them to be playing for etc.

Thanks

Results are in the WSL-1 thread.The guy that snapped him as the #13 pick chose Lance "Freakin' " Moore, right before Housh as the #14 pick at WR.

This represented an obvious Homer, "Game #17", Hangover pick.

 

[the_sig]

Added By Edit: You shoulda taken Chester.

As I mentioned, I wanted to take Chester (as I have ADP) but I sure wasn't gonna take him at the 6.16/7.01 turn. Like I said, he lasted to my 8.16/9.01 picks in all prior WSL drafts, so I expected him to be there. Once I saw Chester go earlier in the 8th rd, and realized McGahee was still there, I was fine with McGahee over Chester as my RB4.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

With 16 teams and my first two rounds were 1.15 and 2.02. Yeah 2 picks close together but there's a long wait until the picks roll around again throughout the draft. Invariably the talent goes quick with 16 teams. Not like 12 teams where you can still catchup if you falter along the the way.My fault is I don't belong in any 16 team leagues or do many 16 team drafts. It is something however I will be looking to get involved in in the future. It definitely presents it's own set of circumstances.I'm surely gonna have to get lucky with my wr's of S.Holmes, coke sniffer M.Jones and AARP member Mushin Muhammed. It's going to be a whole different game doing 16 teams but I'm mired in 10 and 12 team leagues. 16 will be refreshing and learning a whole new thought process when drafting will be nice.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Did Lance Moore go before Housh in the draft denoted by the first column of that WR chart?If so, why? what team are you pencilling each of them to be playing for etc. Thanks

yes lance moore went at WR13 in WSL1, and he had buyers remorse almost immediately. Lets just say he jumped the gun there.

 

[ravnzfan]

Did Lance Moore go before Housh in the draft denoted by the first column of that WR chart?

If so, why? what team are you pencilling each of them to be playing for etc.

Thanks

yes lance moore went at WR13 in WSL1, and he had buyers remorse almost immediately. Lets just say he jumped the gun there.

1)fixed2)and I catch grief for grabbing Antonio Bryant WR19 (my WR2@3.14)?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Did Lance Moore go before Housh in the draft denoted by the first column of that WR chart?

If so, why? what team are you pencilling each of them to be playing for etc.

Thanks

yes lance moore went at WR13 in WSL1, and he had buyers remorse almost immediately. Lets just say he jumped the gun there.

1)fixed2)and I catch grief for grabbing Antonio Bryant WR19 (my WR2@3.14)?

I would have rather had Braylon who I got at WR20 or Bowe who I think went right before you took Bryant.