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[thesurfshop19]

I completely agree ... the Patriots are heating up at the right time and look great.  I could dismiss the Jets and Bills wins based on quarterback play and all that, but not the Tampa win.

Check TB's success in frigid temperatures? The Bucs are terrible when traveling to cold weather.

I acknowledge and understand that, but it was still impressive for me.The fact that they won 28-0, even if we'll call Tampa a bad team due to the conditions, is pretty dominant. No, they haven't beaten a top-caliber AFC team in a while, but it's hard to be confident that they wouldn't be able to adjust.

I don't like reading "that loss doesn't count because we were missing this guy" (which I've seen a lot in this thread) ... the Patriots lost games against good teams earlier this season, period. But I don't know that I'd wager on a repeat loss.

I do like how Denver matches up, since they're 3-1 against Brady with the only loss being QB'd by Danny Kannell (edit: only bringing Kannell into it for informational purposes; Denver choked that game away, period). The Broncos beat them fair and square in the earlier game this year, too. But if I'm putting money down on that matchup, I'm still taking the Patriots.

 

[DerangedGridironGeek]

This thread reminds me of that little disclaimer on those investment commercials....."Past Performance is not an indicator of future value".  

Stop ANALyzing the numbers and start watching the games....Its a long NFL season full of ever shifting variables, so I have a hard time believing any person or website claiming to know this year's SB winner based on a few past numbers.  While Indy is the team I would fear most, I also question a posters' motive and intelligence when I hear things like "every team wants to face the SB Champs in the playoffs".....no matter how many numbers they shoot out of their ###.

Also, please stop with the Pat's fan bashing......you might think its funny and it makes you look cool.......but it is getting old and only highlights your ignorance.

This may be the best post I've ever read on these boards.They don't hand out out Lombardi's to statistcal leaders in Week 14. It's earned in the playoffs, and as we all know, anything can happen. The best statistical team doesn't always win; it's decided on the field.

SSOG reminds me of Kordell Stewart the year the Pats handed him his ####. The best team in the league? It's usually the one holding the trophy.

I know you're probably not responding to my particular posts (just a few posts above), but if you are ...The point is that one of the best statistically teams usually wins. In fact, in both 2003 and 2004 the Patriots were either #1 or #2 statistically. Those teams weren't plucky underdogs, and shouldn't be treated as such.

I personally put the Patriots #2 right now based on what I see, but I don't think it's a good idea to dismiss the numbers side of things entirely (which you may not be doing anyway).

Thx for the kind words Kit.Surfshop....I wasn't responding to your posts, because unlike some around here.....you at least seem objective and rational. I understand the importance of numbers, as they do tell some of the story.....but when using numbers based on the entire season, your telling part of a story that was written in week 2, 3, and so on. In order to accurately gauge the competition for this year's SB run, we also need to base our opinions on how we think these teams ARE playing RIGHT now...and how they WILL play in the future.

All the numbers in the world pointed to a TB win yesterday, and many experts agreed, but anybody that watched NE play in previous weeks could sense something brewing. They are getting healthy, gaining confidence, and starting to play like a team in all facets of the game......considering they are the SB Champs......this is something no rational NFL fan would just dismiss, unless they had other motives or bias.....but then they arent a true NFL fan, just another Homer.

 

[pizzatyme]

I completely agree ... the Patriots are heating up at the right time and look great.  I could dismiss the Jets and Bills wins based on quarterback play and all that, but not the Tampa win.

Check TB's success in frigid temperatures? The Bucs are terrible when traveling to cold weather.

I acknowledge and understand that, but it was still impressive for me.The fact that they won 28-0, even if we'll call Tampa a bad team due to the conditions, is pretty dominant. No, they haven't beaten a top-caliber AFC team in a while, but it's hard to be confident that they wouldn't be able to adjust.

I don't like reading "that loss doesn't count because we were missing this guy" (which I've seen a lot in this thread) ... the Patriots lost games against good teams earlier this season, period. But I don't know that I'd wager on a repeat loss.

I do like how Denver matches up, since they're 3-1 against Brady with the only loss being QB'd by Danny Kannell (edit: only bringing Kannell into it for informational purposes; Denver choked that game away, period). The Broncos beat them fair and square in the earlier game this year, too. But if I'm putting money down on that matchup, I'm still taking the Patriots.

As long as you're impressed, we can all rest easily! We'll get our chance to see just how good this version of the Patriots are when they go on the road in week #2 of the playoffs!

 

[bostonfred]

You're right, I really need to do a little bit of research. Because, you know, it's not like that's what I did when I checked that the Pats are 1-4 against teams still in the AFC race. Or that the Pats have the 3rd worst pass defense in the entire NFL. Or that the Patriots are only .500 against teams outside the AFC East.

You seem dead set on talking about the teams that beat the Patriots, but the Patriots team they beat is not the team that's going to be in the playoffs. Nobody's arguing that the Patriots had a tough start to the season, nor do I think you're arguing against the fact that the Patriots have improved with the return of many of their key players. In fact, I agree that the Patriots' defense was terrible, and that their running game was terrible. Which is why I'm sure you'll agree with me that Tom Brady was one of the most valuable players in the league this year.

Give me one objective statistic *FROM THIS SEASON* that says that the Pats are anything but the worst team of the 8 still standing in the AFC.

Sure. The Patriots are 7-2 in games when Seymour is healthy, 7-4 in games when Dillon is healthy, and 6-2 in games when Bruschi played. They're undefeated in games when Dillon, Seymour, and Bruschi all played. Of course, the Colts are undefeated in games when Robert Mathis played. When he didn't play, the team is 0-1. Looks like San Diego got away with something there.

Maybe the statistic that led to the Colts almost having an undefeated season is one where the Patriots certainly don't stand up - the Colts are #1 in fewest games missed by starters.

But here's my challenge to you: You put stats out there that say "the Patriots are a different team this year than last year", and I have put a hypothesis out there - the 2005 Patriots are as good as they've been the last few years when their key players are healthy, and were much worse when they lost many players to injury.

I've shown (and can show more) evidence that supports (but does not prove) my hypothesis. I challenge you to show me an alternate hypothesis that shows that the reason the Patriots are having a statistically worse season isn't just the loss of the key players who have since returned.

 

[duece2626]

Blinded homerism makes me wanna :X

 

[Kit Fisto]

Blinded homerism makes me wanna :X

If you're talking about Patriots homerism, nobody in here is saying we have the trophy locked up.It's posters that say the Pats have absolutely no chance because of meaningless stat x, y or z that everyone is taking issue with.

 

[Mr.Happy]

FACE THE FACTS!Pats are back!

 

[David Yudkin]

We can look at all sorts of stats, and no one is going to blink in which side they're on. Some are looking at early season Pats stats. Well here are some only from December . . .Pats (3-0)Points 26.3Yards 360Points Allowed 3.3Yards Allowed 148Turnover differential +3Den (2-1)Points 22.3Yards 381Points Allowed 19.3Yards Allowed 339Turnover differential +3Ind (2-1)Points 26Yards 343Points Allowed 15.7Yards Allowed 346Turnover differential +3Cin (3-0)Points 34Yards 343Points Allowed 22.7Yards Allowed 317Turnover differential +6While this really doesn't "prove" anything, it certainly does show that the Pats have been playing well. Granted, their opponents have been suspect, but they ate doing very well right now.IIRC, that makes the Pats record in December or later since 2001 29-3 (.906).

 

[Kit Fisto]

I completely agree ... the Patriots are heating up at the right time and look great.  I could dismiss the Jets and Bills wins based on quarterback play and all that, but not the Tampa win.

Check TB's success in frigid temperatures? The Bucs are terrible when traveling to cold weather.

Lose in frigid temperatures, sure. Getting held to 138 total yards is a completely different story.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You're right, while those Patriot teams weren't the "plucky underdogs" you describe, they weren't expected to beat the Colts in the '03 AFCC, nor the Steelers in the '04 AFCC either. Alot of "experts" said the Panthers front 4 would tear Russ Hochstein and our "no-name" OL apart, and that Troy Brown and Hank Poteat couldn't possibly contain Donovan McNabb.

I hate revisionist history. All of what you said is not true.The Patriots were not expected to beat the Colts in '03? Yes, they were. Many were picking the Colts. Many were also picking the Patriots. That game was generally considered a toss-up.

And after the '04 Patriots demolished the Colts in the 2nd round last year, pretty much everyone was picking them to beat the Steelers in the AFC title game and they did.

The Patriots were also favored to win over Carolina and Philadelphia.

So cut this "wah, we have never gotten any respect" crap. The Patriots have gotten plenty of respect over the years from fans and the media.

 

[Kit Fisto]

You're right, while those Patriot teams weren't the "plucky underdogs" you describe, they weren't expected to beat the Colts in the '03 AFCC, nor the Steelers in the '04 AFCC either. Alot of "experts" said the Panthers front 4 would tear Russ Hochstein and our "no-name" OL apart, and that Troy Brown and Hank Poteat couldn't possibly contain Donovan McNabb.

I hate revisionist history. All of what you said is not true.The Patriots were not expected to beat the Colts in '03? Yes, they were. Many were picking the Colts. Many were also picking the Patriots. That game was generally considered a toss-up.

And after the '04 Patriots demolished the Colts in the 2nd round last year, pretty much everyone was picking them to beat the Steelers in the AFC title game and they did.

The Patriots were also favored to win over Carolina and Philadelphia.

So cut this "wah, we have never gotten any respect" crap. The Patriots have gotten plenty of respect over the years from fans and the media.

The only issue Pats fans in here have is posters dismissing the Patriots because of their September/October record. It's obvious to everyone not looking to pick a fight that they're back and gaining momentum.But IIRC, in '04, many said no way could the no-name Patriots hang with the uber-talented, fantasy roster offense of the Colts. Once we did, it was generally said that the Colts had no D. We wouldn't know what to do against the stellar D of the Steelers.

 

[PMENFAN]

To be fair, let's look as the 3 opponents of the four in those 3 weeks. Combined records are after week 15NE, TB, Buffalo and the Jets (combined record 16-26)1-0 against contendersIndiSan Diego, J'ville (minus their QB) and Tennessee (combined record 23-19)1-1 against contendersCinciPittsburgh, Cleveland and Detroit (CR 18-24)1-0 against contendersDenver NYGiants, Balt, KC (cr 22-19)1-1 against playoff contendersOnly only Indy and Denver are playing teams that are above .500, or marginally better, over the 3 week span, NE is the only one dominating. Indy lost at home, Denver lost to the same Cheifs team on the road, as NE did earlier, in this span, and they beat the powerhouse Ravens 12-10. Cinci beat a reeling Pitt team that had lost 3 in a row. My point is this; The statistical domination the Pats have delivered is as impressive, because not everybody does it against the bad teams. The two weeks before NE beat Buffalo, the Bills had lost to Miami 24-23, and Carolina 13-9, then NE decimates that 35-7, with Buffalos score coming late with many of the NE starters watching, and trying to get guys some PT. Then the Broncos only win 28-17, in the same stadium where NE dominated. Jets over these same 4 weeksLost 24-20 against the finsBeat Oakland 26-10lost to NO 21-19Bucs? Beat Carolina 20-10Beat NO 10-3Lost to Chi 13-10They even scored 10 agaist the Bears, but could only muster a 0 against the Pats. People want to dismiss the Pats because of the competition, but they've done it 3 weeks in a row, and over the last 4 weeks, they're the only NFL team to do it to any 1 of these teams, never mind all 3. And because somebody will want to jump on it. The 4th week for NE was the 26-16 loss in KC, where NE pulled it together in the second half, holding KC scoreless the last 29 minutes of the game.

 

[PMENFAN]

The Patriots were not expected to beat the Colts in '03? Yes, they were. Many were picking the Colts. Many were also picking the Patriots. That game was generally considered a toss-up.And after the '04 Patriots demolished the Colts in the 2nd round last year, pretty much everyone was picking them to beat the Steelers in the AFC title game and they did.

In 03, the argument was that the Pats had won 12 in a row and couldn't possibly get past the colts. they were due for a down game. They didn't have the ground game to keep the Colts off the field. After shutting down the Colts, the Colts were so embarrassed after losing that they actually asked the league to change the interpretation of the no contact after 5 yard rule, and enforce it vehemently. The Colts were supposed to win, after losing the regular season game where they were stuffed on the goal line in the regular season. NE won in a blowout. In 04, the Pats were playing with Troy Brown, Randall Gay, Hank Poteat and Rodney Harrison in the backfield. I specifically remember the ESPN crew talking about it, and all picking the Colts. The memorable quote I recall was from Tommy Jackson, "IF NOT NOW, WHEN?" and he went on to discuss that if the Colts couldn't take out the Pats with that assemblage of talent in the defensive backfield, what would it take for them to win. Did everybody favor the Colts? I doubt it. But many, if not most did. Most also favored the Rams in 02, but not me. If you search my posts, you'll see that I said the way the Pats would be was to smash the ram receivers in the mouth on every catch. I didn't know they'd break Ike Bruces ribs on the first play, but they did what they needed to do. So, not everybody favored the Rams there either, but most did.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I like how the Patriots are playing right now. It should be an interesting postseason as they are going to have their work cut out for them. THe Jaguars are a quality club, and going to Indy with the COlts getting 2+ weeks to prepare for them is going to be tricky.That said, they have to be thought of as no worse than the 2nd best team in the AFC right now, even as the 4 seed. Colin

 

[bostonfred]

I like how the Patriots are playing right now. It should be an interesting postseason as they are going to have their work cut out for them. THe Jaguars are a quality club, and going to Indy with the COlts getting 2+ weeks to prepare for them is going to be tricky.

That said, they have to be thought of as no worse than the 2nd best team in the AFC right now, even as the 4 seed.

Colin

lol @ COlts. I think this is the most positive anyone could be about the Pats right now. I don't think anyone can call them the #1 team in the NFL at this point, although I don't think it's unreasonable to pick them to beat the Colts again this year.

I think Denver would and should be favored in a matchup, especially in Denver, and I'd actually be more nervous against them than the Colts because they've always given the Patriots trouble. But the way Denver has flamed out in the playoffs against the Colts the last couple years - not just getting beaten, but looking terribly flat - I don't think they can be considered a top seed.

I think San Diego could beat them again, as they're another team that's traditionally done well against the Pats, but I think the Pats would be favored.

Jacksonville has a great defense, but I think the Pats would/will be favored by close to a TD. I also think the Pats would be favored against Cincinatti and Pittsburgh.

If you asked me to bet any of those games, I'd take the team with Tom Brady until I see a reason not to. But I think any of them could beat the Patriots, and can understand why the Pats aren't considered #1 overall.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I like how the Patriots are playing right now. It should be an interesting postseason as they are going to have their work cut out for them. THe Jaguars are a quality club, and going to Indy with the COlts getting 2+ weeks to prepare for them is going to be tricky.

That said, they have to be thought of as no worse than the 2nd best team in the AFC right now, even as the 4 seed.

Colin

No one is talking about coaches in this thread either. I still give the Colts the edge over anyone in talent, hands down. But Bellicheck is a huge advantage for the Pats. I don't see how anyone else matches up with the Pats coaching staff. Doesnt Dungy have a history of crumbling in the playoffs? This loss to San Diego doesnt help either. Looks like a roadmap of how to beat the Colts at home. Put pressure on Manning and stop the run. Sure, easier said then done. But with the Pats defensive front 7 healthy again and all this momentum, it's a really interesting scenario.After all the injuries this year it's fun to root for the Pats right now. Things have really started to swing their way.

 

[Colin Dowling]

ESPN just showed that the Pats are 12:1 to win the Super Bowl, which is both absurd and enticing. The 2 time defending champs, getting healthy, playing the best they've played all year are 12:1 but the middling Broncos are 7:1? Eeeeeek.COlin

 

[Gr00vus]

the middling Broncos are 7:1? Eeeeeek.

COlin

Don't let the Broncos fans hear you say things like that - they can't handle the truth.Edited to add: There are no easy games in the AFC playoffs, all the teams are dangerous, I can think of great reasons not to want to play any of them.

 

[pizzatyme]

ESPN just showed that the Pats are 12:1 to win the Super Bowl, which is both absurd and enticing. The 2 time defending champs, getting healthy, playing the best they've played all year are 12:1 but the middling Broncos are 7:1? Eeeeeek.

COlin

Colin,I'll take your action! Lemme know how much you want to wager! I'f I don't pay up you can IP ban me for life!

 

[Shark Attack]

<---------------------- Shark Attack.

The Patriots are the team that everyone else on that side of the bracket wants to catch in the AFC playoffs. They're one-dimensional on offense and their D is mediocre.

and if you believe that you know nothing about the game Ponyboy~~~~~~~slap

 

[Shark Attack]

Here's what you need to know about NE's chance at a SB run:

Rushing Offense

1) DEN #2 in NFL

2) KC #4

3) SD #5

4) PIT #8

5) CIN #10

6) JAX #11

7) IND #12

8) NE #23

Rushing Defense

1) SD #1 in NFL

2) DEN #2

3) PIT #3

4) NE #6

5) KC #9

6) IND #10

7) JAX #14

8) CIN #17

Turnover Margin

1) CIN #1 in NFL

2) DEN #2

3) IND #3

4) JAX #6

5) PIT #9

6) KC #11

7) SD #21

8) NE #24

The game keeps evolving, but what stays consistent is a team's ability to run, it's ability to stop the run, and its ability to create additional possessions in relation to playoff success.

NE is hurting in a bad way in 2 of those categories, and is middle of the pack in the third, in comparison to the other AFC contenders.  This also makes IND look vulnerable for the playoffs.

As many people have tried explaining to me, regular season stats have no bearing on the post-season. To a certain extent this is true. The current Patriots team taking the field is not the same one that struggled the first two months of the season. They may not be the same team that won 3 Super Bowls either, for that matter.However, they have a ton of experience, great game planning, great coaching, and the wonder child at QB. No one will be doing cartwheels when they learn they have to play the Patriots in the playoffs.

thank you David for putting this so eloquently, just make sure ponygirl reads it..lol But its so true any team that actuially wants this Pat team come playoff time is in nothing but trouble. This team flat out knows how to win games and now have all the parts in place to do so. He says they cant run and get run on. What has he been watching that last few weeks? Who cares what happened the first half of the year? The run Dright now just might be the best in the game, Dillon and faulk are healthy the O line is playing great and Mr Clutch is really looking forward to this playoff run. what more could a Pat fan ask for? ( Oh Rodney were are yee)

 

[duece2626]

The run D right now just might be the best in the game

 

[Shark Attack]

The difference for this year's Patriot team is this. They will not have a bye, and would have to play two games on the road in the playoffs before the two week bye and the Super Bowl. The Pats have shown they can win, and win big on the road in the playoffs, but both those road victories were against the Steelers, so that needs to have an astrick next to them. And for the bye week, the Pats are in the position now where all they have to do is take week 17 off, as they have nothing to play for.

Patriots still have Brady, Belichick, Adam V, Seymour, and Dillon. Don't bury these guys just yet.

I think the lack of the first round bye will be their undoing. It's so hard to win two postseason games on the road to get to the Super Bowl. Damned near impossible.

PLEASE remember who we are talking about here. The Patriots are one of the best teams ever and are relatively fresh, most of their key players have all had lots of time off this year. The next two weeks games are like byes for them against the Jets and here vs the Phins. They have three weeks to prepare for the first round game which just might be here if Pitt can get through. I see no problem at all for this team to win on the road its something they do very well and no one on the team is phased by winning on the road. All the parts are present to win this thing again guys. where the games are played is almost meaningless when talking about this Patriots team. Just too many vets who play with ice water in there veins and one of the best coach's ever making up the game plans to worry about road games here.

 

[Shark Attack]

I completely agree ... the Patriots are heating up at the right time and look great.  I could dismiss the Jets and Bills wins based on quarterback play and all that, but not the Tampa win.

Check TB's success in frigid temperatures? The Bucs are terrible when traveling to cold weather.

Hmm its was a beautiful out here that day guy. Perfect football weather, the Bucs had the heads handed to them. ALL four Fox pre game guys..Jimmy Jones included picked the Bucs to win that game I am told, can anyone else confirm this for me as I was at the game..

 

[duece2626]

The difference for this year's Patriot team is this. They will not have a bye, and would have to play two games on the road in the playoffs before the two week bye and the Super Bowl. The Pats have shown they can win, and win big on the road in the playoffs, but both those road victories were against the Steelers, so that needs to have an astrick next to them. And for the bye week, the Pats are in the position now where all they have to do is take week 17 off, as they have nothing to play for.

Patriots still have Brady, Belichick, Adam V, Seymour, and Dillon. Don't bury these guys just yet.

I think the lack of the first round bye will be their undoing. It's so hard to win two postseason games on the road to get to the Super Bowl. Damned near impossible.

PLEASE remember who we are talking about here. The Patriots are one of the best teams ever and are relatively fresh, most of their key players have all had lots of time off this year. The next two weeks games are like byes for them against the Jets and here vs the Phins. They have three weeks to prepare for the first round game which just might be here if Pitt can get through. I see no problem at all for this team to win on the road its something they do very well and no one on the team is phased by winning on the road. All the parts are present to win this thing again guys. where the games are played is almost meaningless when talking about this Patriots team. Just too many vets who play with ice water in there veins and one of the best coach's ever making up the game plans to worry about road games here.

This guy is definately wearing his Patsie goggles

 

[4thAndForever]

The run D right now just might be the best in the game

Going into the Miami game, the Pats were ranked 27th in rushing defense. Six games later, they are now ranked 6th.

 

[Shark Attack]

I like how the Patriots are playing right now. It should be an interesting postseason as they are going to have their work cut out for them. THe Jaguars are a quality club, and going to Indy with the COlts getting 2+ weeks to prepare for them is going to be tricky.

That said, they have to be thought of as no worse than the 2nd best team in the AFC right now, even as the 4 seed.

Colin

Yep I just got the Pats at 15-1,6th choice, to win it all..now at 12-1 and think it might be one of the better plays this Playoff season

 

[4thAndForever]

I see someone has his "homer goggles" on tonight.

Blinded homerism makes me wanna :X

This guy is definately wearing his Patsie goggles

Do you have any more brilliant insight to add to this thread?

 

[Shark Attack]

The difference for this year's Patriot team is this. They will not have a bye, and would have to play two games on the road in the playoffs before the two week bye and the Super Bowl. The Pats have shown they can win, and win big on the road in the playoffs, but both those road victories were against the Steelers, so that needs to have an astrick next to them. And for the bye week, the Pats are in the position now where all they have to do is take week 17 off, as they have nothing to play for.

Patriots still have Brady, Belichick, Adam V, Seymour, and Dillon. Don't bury these guys just yet.

I think the lack of the first round bye will be their undoing. It's so hard to win two postseason games on the road to get to the Super Bowl. Damned near impossible.

PLEASE remember who we are talking about here. The Patriots are one of the best teams ever and are relatively fresh, most of their key players have all had lots of time off this year. The next two weeks games are like byes for them against the Jets and here vs the Phins. They have three weeks to prepare for the first round game which just might be here if Pitt can get through. I see no problem at all for this team to win on the road its something they do very well and no one on the team is phased by winning on the road. All the parts are present to win this thing again guys. where the games are played is almost meaningless when talking about this Patriots team. Just too many vets who play with ice water in there veins and one of the best coach's ever making up the game plans to worry about road games here.

This guy is definately wearing his Patsie goggles

wow how soon some forget whats happened in the NFL this century.

 

[duece2626]

The difference for this year's Patriot team is this. They will not have a bye, and would have to play two games on the road in the playoffs before the two week bye and the Super Bowl. The Pats have shown they can win, and win big on the road in the playoffs, but both those road victories were against the Steelers, so that needs to have an astrick next to them. And for the bye week, the Pats are in the position now where all they have to do is take week 17 off, as they have nothing to play for.

Patriots still have Brady, Belichick, Adam V, Seymour, and Dillon. Don't bury these guys just yet.

I think the lack of the first round bye will be their undoing. It's so hard to win two postseason games on the road to get to the Super Bowl. Damned near impossible.

PLEASE remember who we are talking about here. The Patriots are one of the best teams ever and are relatively fresh, most of their key players have all had lots of time off this year. The next two weeks games are like byes for them against the Jets and here vs the Phins. They have three weeks to prepare for the first round game which just might be here if Pitt can get through. I see no problem at all for this team to win on the road its something they do very well and no one on the team is phased by winning on the road. All the parts are present to win this thing again guys. where the games are played is almost meaningless when talking about this Patriots team. Just too many vets who play with ice water in there veins and one of the best coach's ever making up the game plans to worry about road games here.

This guy is definately wearing his Patsie goggles

wow how soon some forget whats happened in the NFL this century.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to bumb this thread back up when your beloved Patsies go down.

 

[bostonfred]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to bumb this thread back up when your beloved Patsies go down.

bumb? I'm surprised. I expected you to write bump, but you wrote bumb. It can't be a typo, since you've seemed so intelligent with your other posts in this thread.

 

[Shark Attack]

The difference for this year's Patriot team is this. They will not have a bye, and would have to play two games on the road in the playoffs before the two week bye and the Super Bowl. The Pats have shown they can win, and win big on the road in the playoffs, but both those road victories were against the Steelers, so that needs to have an astrick next to them. And for the bye week, the Pats are in the position now where all they have to do is take week 17 off, as they have nothing to play for.

Patriots still have Brady, Belichick, Adam V, Seymour, and Dillon. Don't bury these guys just yet.

I think the lack of the first round bye will be their undoing. It's so hard to win two postseason games on the road to get to the Super Bowl. Damned near impossible.

PLEASE remember who we are talking about here. The Patriots are one of the best teams ever and are relatively fresh, most of their key players have all had lots of time off this year. The next two weeks games are like byes for them against the Jets and here vs the Phins. They have three weeks to prepare for the first round game which just might be here if Pitt can get through. I see no problem at all for this team to win on the road its something they do very well and no one on the team is phased by winning on the road. All the parts are present to win this thing again guys. where the games are played is almost meaningless when talking about this Patriots team. Just too many vets who play with ice water in there veins and one of the best coach's ever making up the game plans to worry about road games here.

This guy is definately wearing his Patsie goggles

wow how soon some forget whats happened in the NFL this century.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to bumb this thread back up when your beloved Patsies go down.

three out of the last four will; keep us Pats fans happy no matter..they way this season has gone I would say we'll be happy with what we get but dont be surprised if this team does not lose again this year..

 

[Pat Patriot]

There is some middle of the road posts in here but more radicals postings from both sides of the argument.The PATS automatically get a home game in the 1st round as the division winner. Almost completely locked into a date with the Jaguars.The Jaguars will give a good fight and I might take them getting 7 points (think Tennessee 2 years ago on a frigid Saturday night. Tooth and nail game and then the Pats took out the Colts in the AFCC game the next week).I am not predicting a Pats victory against the Colts, I just WANT this game. I think it will be a GREAT game and want this game bad.The AFC is very deep. It will take an ultimate effort out of the Pats to beat the Colts and I could definitely see them losing the next week in the AFCC to Denver or Cincy (not to Pittsburgh if Pitt should get that far).The Pats are hot but 3 games with 2 on the road will be tough. I dont think we get a SB win this year but I just want to see them play the Colts again in what would be a HUGE game.

 

[duece2626]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to bumb this thread back up when your beloved Patsies go down.

bumb? I'm surprised. I expected you to write bump, but you wrote bumb. It can't be a typo, since you've seemed so intelligent with your other posts in this thread.

LOL, sue me for mispelling a word. Didn't know the spelling police was out in full force!!! Oh yeah, the Pats won't make it out of the 2nd round, write it down!!!

 

[nase]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to bumb this thread back up when your beloved Patsies go down.

bumb? I'm surprised. I expected you to write bump, but you wrote bumb. It can't be a typo, since you've seemed so intelligent with your other posts in this thread.

LOL, sue me for mispelling a word. Didn't know the spelling police was out in full force!!! Oh yeah, the Pats won't make it out of the 2nd round, write it down!!!

That's a real ballsy play you know...considering New England would be going into Indy as an UNDERDOG. Though if you were to say that NE will lose in the first round if they were favored, then that might be something worth actually noting.And how do you misspell a 4-letter word like "bump?" i could understand "bumo" or "bum[" where those keys are next to "p" on the keyboard but "b" is down by the space bar.

 

[Shark Attack]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to bumb this thread back up when your beloved Patsies go down.

bumb? I'm surprised. I expected you to write bump, but you wrote bumb. It can't be a typo, since you've seemed so intelligent with your other posts in this thread.

LOL, sue me for mispelling a word. Didn't know the spelling police was out in full force!!! Oh yeah, the Pats won't make it out of the 2nd round, write it down!!!

If that SD defense can stuff Indy in there stadium then the Pats can also. The D's are very similar both are tough up front and iffy in the back so don't count out the Patriots yet guy.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to bumb this thread back up when your beloved Patsies go down.

bumb? I'm surprised. I expected you to write bump, but you wrote bumb. It can't be a typo, since you've seemed so intelligent with your other posts in this thread.

LOL, sue me for mispelling a word. Didn't know the spelling police was out in full force!!! Oh yeah, the Pats won't make it out of the 2nd round, write it down!!!

This is a prime example of someone who contributes nothing to the conversation/debate other than to try and incite. These are the posters Deranged was talking about. You're not all that cool or funny. You're tired.My guess is 19 yrs. old or under.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I also find it disturbingly funny to read Patriots bashers dismiss their history, but treat their September/October struggles as the indicator.Can't have it both ways fellas.

 

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Didn't know the spelling police was out in full force!!!

No, but the grammar police is.

 

[harrycarey]

As a Colts fan i hate to admit it, but the pats are going to win the Super Bowl. Everything is aligned just like last year when the Steelers went 15-1 and whipped the Patriots in the regular season only to have the pats come to their place and win in the playoffs.

 

[nase]

As a Colts fan i hate to admit it, but the pats are going to win the Super Bowl. Everything is aligned just like last year when the Steelers went 15-1 and whipped the Patriots in the regular season only to have the pats come to their place and win in the playoffs.

perhaps you're trying to jinx the patriots?

 

[harrycarey]

As a Colts fan i hate to admit it, but the pats are going to win the Super Bowl. Everything is aligned just like last year when the Steelers went 15-1 and whipped the Patriots in the regular season only to have the pats come to their place and win in the playoffs.

perhaps you're trying to jinx the patriots?

The Patriots are beyond the power of the jinx.. I'm just stating facts.

 

[Kit Fisto]

And let's not forget: Nobody beats the Patriots twice in the same year. There's a stat Patriots-bashers seem to conveniently forget.

 

[Shark Attack]

The difference for this year's Patriot team is this. They will not have a bye, and would have to play two games on the road in the playoffs before the two week bye and the Super Bowl. The Pats have shown they can win, and win big on the road in the playoffs, but both those road victories were against the Steelers, so that needs to have an astrick next to them. And for the bye week, the Pats are in the position now where all they have to do is take week 17 off, as they have nothing to play for.

Patriots still have Brady, Belichick, Adam V, Seymour, and Dillon. Don't bury these guys just yet.

I think the lack of the first round bye will be their undoing. It's so hard to win two postseason games on the road to get to the Super Bowl. Damned near impossible.

PLEASE remember who we are talking about here. The Patriots are one of the best teams ever and are relatively fresh, most of their key players have all had lots of time off this year. The next two weeks games are like byes for them against the Jets and here vs the Phins. They have three weeks to prepare for the first round game which just might be here if Pitt can get through. I see no problem at all for this team to win on the road its something they do very well and no one on the team is phased by winning on the road. All the parts are present to win this thing again guys. where the games are played is almost meaningless when talking about this Patriots team. Just too many vets who play with ice water in there veins and one of the best coach's ever making up the game plans to worry about road games here.

This guy is definately wearing his Patsie goggles

maybe so but what I am saying is pretty much right on.

 

[Colin Dowling]

And let's not forget: Nobody beats the Patriots twice in the same year.

There's a stat Patriots-bashers seem to conveniently forget.

Actually, people used to pound the Pats twice in the same year with alarming regularity.

 

[PMENFAN]

And let's not forget: Nobody beats the Patriots twice in the same year.

There's a stat Patriots-bashers seem to conveniently forget.

Actually, people used to pound the Pats twice in the same year with alarming regularity.

Yes, 7 years ago. IN the past 6 years, nobody has beaten the Pats 2x in the same year. And, never in the 2nd game of a year. Every team has their down years. I remember a few seasons of the Colts, not too long ago, where they were a gimme game, and the Rams, and the Cowboys, and the Packers, and the 49ers, and many others that have won championships in the last decade. .

 

[thesurfshop19]

And let's not forget: Nobody beats the Patriots twice in the same year.

There's a stat Patriots-bashers seem to conveniently forget.

Actually, people used to pound the Pats twice in the same year with alarming regularity.

Yes, 7 years ago. IN the past 6 years, nobody has beaten the Pats 2x in the same year. And, never in the 2nd game of a year. Every team has their down years. I remember a few seasons of the Colts, not too long ago, where they were a gimme game, and the Rams, and the Cowboys, and the Packers, and the 49ers, and many others that have won championships in the last decade. .

Your 2nd part of the 1st statement is slightly wrong ... the Jets beat the Patriots in the 2nd game of 2002 and the Dolphins beat the Patriots in the 2nd game of 2004.Still an interesting stat, though! It's not as hard to do as you'd think (for example, the playoff winless Broncos haven't lost 2 times to the same team since 2002 against Oakland) but it's still a great accomplishment.

I remember those Colts ... from 1995 through 1997, they beat the defending champ (Niners, Cowboys, Packers) each season. Pretty funny.