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Yes, Gen Z is staring at you. The question is why. (2 Viewers)

BobbyLayne

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As a boomer father to two zoomers, I found this article very interesting. I get the Gen Z stare often (lol) - at home, work, when speaking with servers, et al.

I have to confess it is confusing to me; I don't fully understand how a blank stare has devolved into a form of communication. Intuitively, it is not a form of engagement; it's the opposite.

But I'm probably also just feeling old. There are things I don't get even though I pride myself on being open minded and curious new perspectives.

What is the Gen Z stare - NYT Style section

A generational debate has started over Gen Z’s tendency to respond to various social situations with a long and intentional stare.


When Valerie Jefferson, 23, posted a video about the “Gen Z stare” on TikTok, she did not expect it to start a fight. Her video, which documented one interpretation of the meaning of the stare — the blank look of someone in a service job who is handling frustrating requests from a customer — unleashed a torrent of intergenerational debates.

“Millennials finally got something to say about Gen Z and I think they ran with it and Gen Z was not happy,” Ms. Jefferson said of the two generations duking it out in the comments section of her video, which now has more than three million views.

Ms. Jefferson’s video was one of dozens of recent clips racking up millions of views over the last few weeks on the concept of the Gen Z stare, which many social media users have said is the blank stare that members of younger generations give in situations where a verbal response would be more common. There are plenty of examples from retail, dining or other customer-facing jobs, but many social media users say it is a broader phenomenon, too.

In a TikTok video, Riley Despot, 30, described an experience she had taking her daughter to a golf lesson with a young teenager. In the video, Ms. Despot said she greeted the instructor and thanked her for agreeing to teach her daughter how to play golf. In response, she said she was met with a stare and a “yeah.”

I was just confused after the interaction,” she said. “I did some self-reflection and I was like, ‘Did I do something wrong? Did I not read the social situation right?’”

The stare seems to have supporters and detractors, and even Gen Z-ers themselves can’t seem to decide exactly what it is. (Ms. Jefferson said commenters helped convince her that her initial impression of the stare she documented in her video was wrong.)

Efe Ahworegba, 19, a content creator whose video on the subject has more than 11 million views, said the stare was challenging the way customers often treat people in the food service and retail industries.

“The Gen Z stare is basically us saying the customer is not always right,” Ms. Ahworegba said.

She was inspired to share her story after coming across a post where someone who appeared to be a millennial or Gen Xer described a situation in which they were on the business end of the Gen Z stare.

Ms. Ahworegba thought the scenario had a “sense of entitlement” — hence the stare — and that it was “not because of a person’s lack of ability to communicate.”

“They just didn’t want to communicate with someone who’s not using their own brain cells,” she said.

It’s unclear exactly how and when the phrase was coined, but several social media users said they first came across it on TikTok in the last few weeks. And the cause? That’s also up for debate.

Lanie Beams, 25, who felt qualified to make a TikTok on the topic because she is Gen Z herself, said there was a wide range of causes people were identifying, including vaping, iPad usage and the Covid-19 pandemic.

“Everyone’s blaming it on something else,” Ms. Beams said.

Several social media users also pointed to the idea that the stare had roots in anxiety.

“It almost feels like a resurgence of stranger danger,” said Jordan MacIsaac, a 24-year-old bartender. “Like, people just don’t know how to make small talk or interact with people they don’t know.”

Brooke Adams, a 28-year-old content creator who said she identified as a millennial (but leaned toward Gen Z when it came to technology), said she thought Gen Z-ers who missed parts of their high school experience because of Covid struggled with small talk, saying thank you and “just those little things that I think so many of us that were maybe older Gen Z and maybe more millennial are used to.”

Though it’s possible Covid has played some role in Gen Z’s social behavior, the generation’s significant declines in face-to-face interaction have largely been a result of spending so much more time online, said Jean Twenge, the author of “Generations: The Real Differences Between Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers and Silents — And What They Mean for America’s Future.”

“Social skills take thousands and thousands of hours to develop and adolescence is a critical period for developing social skills,” Dr. Twenge said. “And Gen Z has spent much less time with their peers in person during that critical stage.”

Ms. Ahworegba had a simpler explanation, saying her Gen Z peers often felt like they did not “owe” anyone conversation.

“I know everybody’s probably tired at their job, but giving a simple greeting can change the interaction” she said, explaining that even saying “hi” could help foster community.

“But if they are talking to you any type of way, I do believe you can give someone the Gen Z stare, if that’s what you feel like,” Ms. Ahworegba added.

Nicole Stock reports on internet culture and other lifestyle news for the Style section of The Times.
 
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.



Socrates

https://www.bartleby.com/lit-hub/respectfully-quoted/socrates-469399-b-c/


Sorry, I just find it funny when older people bash the younger generation.
 
Several social media users also pointed to the idea that the stare had roots in anxiety.

“It almost feels like a resurgence of stranger danger,” said Jordan MacIsaac, a 24-year-old bartender. “Like, people just don’t know how to make small talk or interact with people they don’t know.”

Brooke Adams, a 28-year-old content creator who said she identified as a millennial (but leaned toward Gen Z when it came to technology), said she thought Gen Z-ers who missed parts of their high school experience because of Covid struggled with small talk, saying thank you and “just those little things that I think so many of us that were maybe older Gen Z and maybe more millennial are used to.”

I was going to immediately chalk it up to this and not the less charitable explanation. First thing I thought of was, "they're looking for the perfect thing to say, can't find it, and are frustrated that they can't find it, or that a job and its implied hierarchies prevent them from saying anything beyond courteous small talk." And I don't mean they're looking to cuss you, the customer, out. They're trying to be too perfect and give small talk substance and therefore treat the other person as an end unto herself and not a means to get what they want.

These kids are either very ruthless or very Kantian, and I lean towards the latter.
 
Several social media users also pointed to the idea that the stare had roots in anxiety.

“It almost feels like a resurgence of stranger danger,” said Jordan MacIsaac, a 24-year-old bartender. “Like, people just don’t know how to make small talk or interact with people they don’t know.”

Brooke Adams, a 28-year-old content creator who said she identified as a millennial (but leaned toward Gen Z when it came to technology), said she thought Gen Z-ers who missed parts of their high school experience because of Covid struggled with small talk, saying thank you and “just those little things that I think so many of us that were maybe older Gen Z and maybe more millennial are used to.”

I was going to immediately chalk it up to this and not the less charitable explanation. First thing I thought of was, "they're looking for the perfect thing to say, can't find it, and are frustrated that they can't find it, or that a job and its implied hierarchies prevent them from saying anything beyond courteous small talk." And I don't mean they're looking to cuss you, the customer, out. They're trying to be too perfect and give small talk substance and therefore treat the other person as an end unto herself and not a means to get what they want.

These kids are either very ruthless or very Kantian, and I lean towards the latter.
Okay, but let's look at the original interaction in the story:
In the video, Ms. Despot said she greeted the instructor and thanked her for agreeing to teach her daughter how to play golf. In response, she said she was met with a stare and a “yeah.”
I'm not sure what to say if it's a struggle to come up with "You're welcome."
 
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.



Socrates

https://www.bartleby.com/lit-hub/respectfully-quoted/socrates-469399-b-c/


Sorry, I just find it funny when older people bash the younger generation.

A quote I often paraphrase when folks are bashing younger generations. Thought I was going for something more nuanced, but maybe I missed.

:shrug:
 
OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".

The text "yep" can mean so many things. I've said that to a million things. The thing I most often mean by it (and this is totally just me so don't take this as a universal) is that I think the other person should call if we're having a detailed convo because I can't text on that little phone keyboard for jack-you-know-what.

It also means "I can't text right now or haven't gotten to it" at times without being rude.

It means a bunch of stuff, but if you think it's fairly truncated and taciturn, then you're probably correct. It gives off that vibe.

Okay, but let's look at the original interaction in the story:
In the video, Ms. Despot said she greeted the instructor and thanked her for agreeing to teach her daughter how to play golf. In response, she said she was met with a stare and a “yeah.”
I'm not sure what to say if it's a struggle to come up with "You're welcome."

This is a fair point and I didn't really catch it at first. "You're welcome" is so simple, but I've been so awkward at times that I have messed up some awfully easy interactions due to something totally beyond the conversation at hand or something I've got going on with myself . . . which leads me to an actual critique of Gen Z.

They don't seem particularly good at getting out of their own heads. They really immolate and think that everything relates back to them. Now, this can be indicative of narcissism or self-centered thinking patterns, but there are a bunch of things that account for their "I" focus, and it isn't always their fault. It might behoove them to practice some AA platitudes (believe it or not) about doing and not ruminating so much. Get out there, perform an action or two, hang out with some friends, interact with some strangers, volunteer. Get out of your own head because for a lot of people, ruminating is no good for them. I'm included in that especially. If I'm in my own head and not either moving in service of something or just working and accomplishing something, then I'm in trouble.
 
OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".
To me this is (part of) the root of the issue. Younger people engage far more electronically now than in person, and they are now matching their in-person style to their online style.
 
A quote I often paraphrase when folks are bashing younger generations. Thought I was going for something more nuanced, but maybe I missed.

:shrug:

It is more nuanced, you are correct. My verb of "bashing" was probably not the correct word. I should have used "nitpicking social norms".
 
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OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".
To me this is (part of) the root of the issue. Younger people engage far more electronically now than in person, and they are now matching their in-person style to their online style.
Maybe a "Yup" is no different than a social media "Like" or a text message (y)

"In fact, if I bother to type 'Yup' then I've given you MORE than a thumbs up...so you should be thankful to me!" lol
 
Kids growing up on devices. That is what we are seeing.

And parents who allowed it to happen have no right to complain when kids can't communicate. Throw Covid in there + their device + social media and this is what we get.

Oh, and us old farts need to understand this and start changing how we interact with people. It goes both ways.

In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
 
Kids growing up on devices. That is what we are seeing.

And parents who allowed it to happen have no right to complain when kids can't communicate. Throw Covid in there + their device + social media and this is what we get.

Oh, and us old farts need to understand this and start changing how we interact with people. It goes both ways.

In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
Even Raiders and Eagles fans?
 
I'm not close to gen Z age and I've been using the stare for years. Kinda sad they've picked on up on it. I find with the most self-absorbed it has to extend to a super uncomfortable length of time for them to pick up on it. Great way to deal with the talkers.
 
Kids growing up on devices. That is what we are seeing.

And parents who allowed it to happen have no right to complain when kids can't communicate. Throw Covid in there + their device + social media and this is what we get.

Oh, and us old farts need to understand this and start changing how we interact with people. It goes both ways.

In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
Even Raiders and Eagles fans?
watch yourself bud....
 
Get out of your own head because for a lot of people, ruminating is no good for them. I'm included in that especially. If I'm in my own head and not either moving in service of something or just working and accomplishing something, then I'm in trouble.
From my POV the Millennials have a bit of this as well, but it is really amped up in the average Gen Zer. The amount of scrutiny that can be applied to a throwaway line during a random social interaction by the younger set really threw me for a loop the first time I witnessed it. I'm sure there's a lesson for us older folk in there as well in that maybe we should be a little more circumspect about exactly how we communicate, but I don't think focusing on small things of everyday life as if they're the Rosetta Stone containing some deep meaning is a fruitful exercise in general.
 
I'm sure there's a lesson for us older folk in there as well in that maybe we should be a little more circumspect about exactly how we communicate, but I don't think focusing on small things of everyday life as if they're the Rosetta Stone containing some deep meaning is a fruitful exercise in general.

You know how punk and hardcore music (hip hop also) sort of won the day in history as far as pop music goes? I think that the attitudes along with it (the incredibly introspective, let’s spend two hours breaking down a five-minute conversation) won out also.

It’s not a productive (eta* wrong word there—I mean not a good mental outlook to have for one’s self) way to be. This isn’t to rip on them. They’re getting external approval/disapproval for things that make them extra cautious and analytical. It leads to a host of social problems and ills. They need a better ability to recognize when thought is appropriate and when to let it go. And I think we failed them, honestly. But forget blame. It’s very corrective. Get out and do things. Don’t ruminate.
 
In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
This is really the biggest issue with people these days. This just doesn't happen anymore.
Disagree with the bolded. I see people being kind to each other multiple times a day.

On-line can be a different story.
On line is definitely different but when it come to some pretty simple interactions when dealing with the political climate/topics things get way out of hand quickly (just think of this boards discussions sometimes) because people aren't respectful to each other. This happens face to face more and more often as the political lines get drawn in the sand.

It's very sad to me and I see it every day.
 
In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
This is really the biggest issue with people these days. This just doesn't happen anymore.
Disagree with the bolded. I see people being kind to each other multiple times a day.

On-line can be a different story.
On line is definitely different but when it come to some pretty simple interactions when dealing with the political climate/topics things get way out of hand quickly (just think of this boards discussions sometimes) because people aren't respectful to each other. This happens face to face more and more often as the political lines get drawn in the sand.

It's very sad to me and I see it every day.
Are you talking politics/social issues to folks you see when you're out and about? Like a random cashier?
 
In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
This is really the biggest issue with people these days. This just doesn't happen anymore.
Disagree with the bolded. I see people being kind to each other multiple times a day.

On-line can be a different story.
On line is definitely different but when it come to some pretty simple interactions when dealing with the political climate/topics things get way out of hand quickly (just think of this boards discussions sometimes) because people aren't respectful to each other. This happens face to face more and more often as the political lines get drawn in the sand.

It's very sad to me and I see it every day.
Are you talking politics/social issues to folks you see when you're out and about? Like a random cashier?
I am not. But I see people discussing getting heated and dismissing others for opinions over these type things.

I try and stay out of any and all political discussion. Just not worth it.
 
Kids growing up on devices. That is what we are seeing.

And parents who allowed it to happen have no right to complain when kids can't communicate. Throw Covid in there + their device + social media and this is what we get.

Oh, and us old farts need to understand this and start changing how we interact with people. It goes both ways.

In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
Even Raiders and Eagles fans?
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OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".
I'm probably pro- your friend here. My texting habits drive my wife crazy.

"Did you get my text?"
"Yeah."
"Why didn't you respond?"
"There was nothing to respond to. There was no question to respond to and no reason to need to send a response."
"You should still respond."
"Yeah, that's not gonna happen."

How do we ever end a text chain if we all always respond to EVERYTHING? Do I need to append, "And that's all I have to say about that," to every text?

THIS seems like the appropriate time for that stare. I might need to create a gif of me staring and just start responding with it. Gen Z might be onto something here.
 
OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".
"Yep" is one of the suggested responses to a question that comes up on my Android phone. I prefer the "Yes" because I'm more formal like that. In this case I would read the response like, "I don't have time to read that right now and may or may not get back to it later." :shrug:
 
Kids growing up on devices. That is what we are seeing.

And parents who allowed it to happen have no right to complain when kids can't communicate. Throw Covid in there + their device + social media and this is what we get.

Oh, and us old farts need to understand this and start changing how we interact with people. It goes both ways.

In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
Yup
 
OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".
I'm probably pro- your friend here. My texting habits drive my wife crazy.

"Did you get my text?"
"Yeah."
"Why didn't you respond?"
"There was nothing to respond to. There was no question to respond to and no reason to need to send a response."
"You should still respond."
"Yeah, that's not gonna happen."

How do we ever end a text chain if we all always respond to EVERYTHING? Do I need to append, "And that's all I have to say about that," to every text?

THIS seems like the appropriate time for that stare. I might need to create a gif of me staring and just start responding with it. Gen Z might be onto something here.
🤝 my step dad sent me a long text the other day, that really didn't require a response. i went with "yea" seemed to get the job done
 
Is this just the rude stare indicating they have no clue what you are talking about?
my 16 year old says "it's when you literally can't even anymore with a person"

clarified as "the person talking to me is so stupid that i can't believe it. like, when you're talking to old people and they ask dumb questions.. i need time to process how dumb they are before i answer."
 
Is this just the rude stare indicating they have no clue what you are talking about?
my 16 year old says "it's when you literally can't even anymore with a person"

clarified as "the person talking to me is so stupid that i can't believe it. like, when you're talking to old people and they ask dumb questions.. i need time to process how dumb they are before i answer."
This is awesome. As the other person is thinking, "this guy is so dumb they can't even answer or acknowledge a simple question and will just stare with a dumb a$$ look on their face"

communication lines are broken..hahahaha
 
OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".
I'm probably pro- your friend here. My texting habits drive my wife crazy.

"Did you get my text?"
"Yeah."
"Why didn't you respond?"
"There was nothing to respond to. There was no question to respond to and no reason to need to send a response."
"You should still respond."
"Yeah, that's not gonna happen."

How do we ever end a text chain if we all always respond to EVERYTHING? Do I need to append, "And that's all I have to say about that," to every text?

THIS seems like the appropriate time for that stare. I might need to create a gif of me staring and just start responding with it. Gen Z might be onto something here.
🤝 my step dad sent me a long text the other day, that really didn't require a response. i went with "yea" seemed to get the job done
The friend in question works is sales and sales recruiting. He talks about how the KPIs aren't that different from industry to industry. Cites numbers ALL...THE...TIME.

Our last text exchange went like:

Me: Met a Costco hiring manager and he said his stats are for every 200 people they interview (didn't say how many applications) they hire 50 and only 10 stick as good employees
Him: Yep

We didn't solve String Theory or the Fermi Paradox or anything. But it was confirmation for what he REPEATEDLY talks about. "Yep" felt like an "I already knew that" pat on the head.
 
Is this just the rude stare indicating they have no clue what you are talking about?
my 16 year old says "it's when you literally can't even anymore with a person"

clarified as "the person talking to me is so stupid that i can't believe it. like, when you're talking to old people and they ask dumb questions.. i need time to process how dumb they are before i answer."
Well like they say- It is better to sit silently and only appear stupid than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.
 
In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
This is really the biggest issue with people these days. This just doesn't happen anymore.
Disagree with the bolded. I see people being kind to each other multiple times a day.

On-line can be a different story.
On line is definitely different but when it come to some pretty simple interactions when dealing with the political climate/topics things get way out of hand quickly (just think of this boards discussions sometimes) because people aren't respectful to each other. This happens face to face more and more often as the political lines get drawn in the sand.

It's very sad to me and I see it every day.
I see it way less face to face, but I think it does still spill over a bit. Mostly what I see IRL that I think reflects the online culture is a couple things - thinking people are bad/evil for feeling X about a topic, and more importantly - hyperbole. I see this breaking down interactions all the time and putting people against each other when there is no good reason for it.
 
In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
This is really the biggest issue with people these days. This just doesn't happen anymore.
Disagree with the bolded. I see people being kind to each other multiple times a day.

On-line can be a different story.
On line is definitely different but when it come to some pretty simple interactions when dealing with the political climate/topics things get way out of hand quickly (just think of this boards discussions sometimes) because people aren't respectful to each other. This happens face to face more and more often as the political lines get drawn in the sand.

It's very sad to me and I see it every day.
I see it way less face to face, but I think it does still spill over a bit. Mostly what I see IRL that I think reflects the online culture is a couple things - thinking people are bad/evil for feeling X about a topic, and more importantly - hyperbole. I see this breaking down interactions all the time and putting people against each other when there is no good reason for it.
Well put. This is exactly what I am talking about. Especially the "thinking people are bad/evil for feeling X about a topic"
 
OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".
I'm probably pro- your friend here. My texting habits drive my wife crazy.

"Did you get my text?"
"Yeah."
"Why didn't you respond?"
"There was nothing to respond to. There was no question to respond to and no reason to need to send a response."
"You should still respond."
"Yeah, that's not gonna happen."

How do we ever end a text chain if we all always respond to EVERYTHING? Do I need to append, "And that's all I have to say about that," to every text?

THIS seems like the appropriate time for that stare. I might need to create a gif of me staring and just start responding with it. Gen Z might be onto something here.
Giving the last response the thumbs up sign or something like that is how I signal I am not planning to respond further.
 
OTOH, my 51 year old Gen X friend when receiving a text from me that has a developed thought or a linked article relating to what we were talking about in depth just minutes or hours before will almost always respond with a..."Yep".
I'm probably pro- your friend here. My texting habits drive my wife crazy.

"Did you get my text?"
"Yeah."
"Why didn't you respond?"
"There was nothing to respond to. There was no question to respond to and no reason to need to send a response."
"You should still respond."
"Yeah, that's not gonna happen."

How do we ever end a text chain if we all always respond to EVERYTHING? Do I need to append, "And that's all I have to say about that," to every text?

THIS seems like the appropriate time for that stare. I might need to create a gif of me staring and just start responding with it. Gen Z might be onto something here.
Giving the last response the thumbs up sign or something like that is how I signal I am not planning to respond further.
(y)
 
so kids and young adults are awkward? i'll make sure and write that down.

as a parent of a 19 year old, this 100% falls on the parents imho. my daughter has excellent social skills. but we've worked on them all her life.
My soon to be 15 year old daughter has been working in a bar/restaurant since last July.

She's definitely learned how to communicate there. Some of her stories.....:lol:
 
Kids growing up on devices. That is what we are seeing.

And parents who allowed it to happen have no right to complain when kids can't communicate. Throw Covid in there + their device + social media and this is what we get.

Oh, and us old farts need to understand this and start changing how we interact with people. It goes both ways.

In short, be kind and respectful to everyone.
It's not so much that the "parents" allowed it......it was a tidal wave that took us out. We have to navigate it, and it's hard.
 
so kids and young adults are awkward? i'll make sure and write that down.

as a parent of a 19 year old, this 100% falls on the parents imho. my daughter has excellent social skills. but we've worked on them all her life.
My soon to be 15 year old daughter has been working in a bar/restaurant since last July.

She's definitely learned how to communicate there. Some of her stories.....:lol:
mine has worked since she was 16. in the same field at a very high price point. which equals demanding guests
 
Is this just the rude stare indicating they have no clue what you are talking about?
my 16 year old says "it's when you literally can't even anymore with a person"

clarified as "the person talking to me is so stupid that i can't believe it. like, when you're talking to old people and they ask dumb questions.. i need time to process how dumb they are before i answer."
This is awesome. As the other person is thinking, "this guy is so dumb they can't even answer or acknowledge a simple question and will just stare with a dumb a$$ look on their face"

communication lines are broken..hahahaha
in fact, i raised this point with my kid annnnnnnnnnnnd she stared at me and said "yeah... you're old"
 
The older generations will always ***** about the younger generation.

Kids are awkward nowadays? Welcome to always.
In my day we were ruining the world with our video games, rap music, and television watching.
We made up words as well. Cool, awesome and instead of thank you we said no problem.

The same teenagers and young adults everyone is complaining about now will be doing the same thing about out future generations in 20 to 30 years. Just like it has always been.
 
we talk about this kind of thing with the kids. my wife is very much "this is how it was for me, this is how it should be for you, too"

whereas i'm much more "this is how it was for me.. doesn't mean it has to be that way for you."


so, while i think social skills matter (we're all at different levels) i'm not going to tell my kids that they should speak only when spoken to, listen to their elders, be respectful to everyone even if they aren't to you. they aren't me and just because that's how i was raised doesn't make it right. they are learning to be their own people with some guidelines of human decency & turning out pretty well but i don't agree with the notion that they HAVE to act a certain way because that's how i was raised :shrug:

so if they want to stare blankly at some muppet that tries to be disrespectful, or condescending, they don't have to feel pressured to eat that nonsense just because the guy is 52 with a buzzcut. respect goes both ways.
 
The older generations will always ***** about the younger generation.

Kids are awkward nowadays? Welcome to always.
In my day we were ruining the world with our video games, rap music, and television watching.
We made up words as well. Cool, awesome and instead of thank you we said no problem.

The same teenagers and young adults everyone is complaining about now will be doing the same thing about out future generations in 20 to 30 years. Just like it has always been.

True. Also, whenever I hear people gripe about the younger generation my response is always, well didnt you have a part in raising them? Maybe its your generation that is bad at parenting.

Of course, I have no kids, so I am not to blame.
 

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