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Yet another "should a trade be veto'd thread"... (1 Viewer)

fasteddie_21

2006 NM Poker Champ
So this is a $$$ league ($1500 for 1st) and a situation has arisen that kinda has our league in an uproar right now, and, tbh, I can understand why:

Team A is 5-3 and tied for first place (5 way tie) and is trading away McNabb & Santonio Holmes

Team B is 1-7 and is pretty much a lost cause for making our 4-team playoffs. He is trading away, to Team A, Peyton Manning and T. O.

Now, I'm all for the whole 'you make your own bed' regarding trades, but this one really doesn't feel right. Holmes has not done anything this year and has since been suspended (at least 1 game...maybe more?). Granted TO hasn't been that great since Romo went down, but Romo is coming back in 2 weeks and then should be his same old self. The trade is essentially, TO for Holmes.

Where would you stand on this trade. IMO the main reason this is even an issue is records and the fact that Team B basically is out of it....

 
No no keepers (redraft). And fwiw, I did NOT veto the trade, but it got rejected due to 1/2 the league veto'ing it. I just thought it would make for some decent discussion. Also, I am not one of the teams involved, but the league is pretty vocal about this one. I thought about it and didn't think it was so one-sided to affect the balance of the league (and I'm one of the 1st place teams as well), but it gave me pause for a few seconds but I didn't veto.

 
I got one even better.

Team A: 1st place

Team B: 12th place

Team A gave up:

Roy E. Williams, Dal WR

Chansi Stuckey, NYJ WR

Edgerrin James, Ari RB

Ricky Williams, Mia RB

Team B gave up:

Thomas Jones, NYJ RB

Josh Brown, StL K

Bernard Berrian, Min WR

Donald Lee, GB TE

Its a redraft and playoff league.

 
It's lopsided, but not vetoable. People have differing views about the future. At the beginning of the season, would you have considered Vincent Jackson for Randy Moss a fair trade? As of now, VJ has outscored RM.

 
If this trade were made between two top teams (i.e. two teams tied for 1st), would anyone think twice about it?

Do you have any rules in place about teams in last place or "out of it" not being able to trade?

If the answer is no to both of these (which I assume it will be), then no one can say anything. Just because a team is in last place doesn't mean he can't make a trade. If he can't trade and there's no incentive for him to win, then why is he even still in the league and doing anything? Just to set lineups?

 
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No no keepers (redraft). And fwiw, I did NOT veto the trade, but it got rejected due to 1/2 the league veto'ing it. I just thought it would make for some decent discussion. Also, I am not one of the teams involved, but the league is pretty vocal about this one. I thought about it and didn't think it was so one-sided to affect the balance of the league (and I'm one of the 1st place teams as well), but it gave me pause for a few seconds but I didn't veto.
I would not play in a league where other owners could vote on and veto trades. :no:Holmes for TO DOES suck, though. :yucky:
 
So this is a $$$ league ($1500 for 1st) and a situation has arisen that kinda has our league in an uproar right now, and, tbh, I can understand why:Team A is 5-3 and tied for first place (5 way tie) and is trading away McNabb & Santonio HolmesTeam B is 1-7 and is pretty much a lost cause for making our 4-team playoffs. He is trading away, to Team A, Peyton Manning and T. O.Now, I'm all for the whole 'you make your own bed' regarding trades, but this one really doesn't feel right. Holmes has not done anything this year and has since been suspended (at least 1 game...maybe more?). Granted TO hasn't been that great since Romo went down, but Romo is coming back in 2 weeks and then should be his same old self. The trade is essentially, TO for Holmes.Where would you stand on this trade. IMO the main reason this is even an issue is records and the fact that Team B basically is out of it....
Assuming that you play in a league with a collection of whiny tools that gripe about any trade that a strong team makes, this should absolutely be veto'd.In my leagues, we allow teams that are "out of it" to make trades, pick up players on waivers, and generally continue playing fantasy football. We grant teams that are winning the same freedoms. It's fun.
 
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Heh, I guess I should have mentioned that this is a 2p2 league, so it was with a bunch of whiny tools :excited:

my other 3 leagues are a local one I run and two Phenoms, so I think it's ok to have one of these leagues. But, fwiw, had I known it was going to be an ordeal w/ some of these guys, I wouldn't have joined it. C'est la vie.

Thanks for the feedback, fellas.

 
Everyone else says don't veto, so I will play devil's advocate...

Peyton vs Roethlisberger

Peyton has played the tougher schedule thus far, yet he has has 400 more passing yards. Yes, he has 2 more INT's, but Ben has 3 fumbles to Peyton's 0. Peyton also has a rushing TD. Here is the kicker - upcoming schedules. Weeks 14 thru 16 - Peyton faces CIN, DET, and JAX. Ben faces DAL, BAL, and TEN. How is Ben supposed to keep up with Peyton in the 2nd half of the season when he can't even keep up with him with an easier schedule?

Owens vs Holmes

Owens is currently WR15 in my league, and Holmes is WR44. Neither of them are injured, but Holmes just got suspended for weed. He's sure to keep toking and get suspended again, thus reducing the value of Ben even further. Romo is gonna return in week 11 with a vengeance, and Owens will erupt for a series of monster games.

This trade has stink written all over it. "Let's make one monster team and share the winnings. And hey, I know the league will go bonkers, but we'll just call them whiners, and tell them all that they wouldn't complain if the trade was reversed." That's exactly where I have the problem - of course the league wouldn't complain if the trade was reversed, because they would know that a strong team just got weaker.

It's an obvious attempt to make a strong team stronger and a weak team weaker, and they didn't even veil it. VETO this trade now!

 
Everyone else says don't veto, so I will play devil's advocate...Peyton vs RoethlisbergerPeyton has played the tougher schedule thus far, yet he has has 400 more passing yards. Yes, he has 2 more INT's, but Ben has 3 fumbles to Peyton's 0. Peyton also has a rushing TD. Here is the kicker - upcoming schedules. Weeks 14 thru 16 - Peyton faces CIN, DET, and JAX. Ben faces DAL, BAL, and TEN. How is Ben supposed to keep up with Peyton in the 2nd half of the season when he can't even keep up with him with an easier schedule?Owens vs HolmesOwens is currently WR15 in my league, and Holmes is WR44. Neither of them are injured, but Holmes just got suspended for weed. He's sure to keep toking and get suspended again, thus reducing the value of Ben even further. Romo is gonna return in week 11 with a vengeance, and Owens will erupt for a series of monster games.This trade has stink written all over it. "Let's make one monster team and share the winnings. And hey, I know the league will go bonkers, but we'll just call them whiners, and tell them all that they wouldn't complain if the trade was reversed." That's exactly where I have the problem - of course the league wouldn't complain if the trade was reversed, because they would know that a strong team just got weaker.It's an obvious attempt to make a strong team stronger and a weak team weaker, and they didn't even veil it. VETO this trade now!
Thanks for the input, and not to be a kill-joy, but it's McNabb, not Roeth.
 
No no keepers (redraft). And fwiw, I did NOT veto the trade, but it got rejected due to 1/2 the league veto'ing it. I just thought it would make for some decent discussion. Also, I am not one of the teams involved, but the league is pretty vocal about this one. I thought about it and didn't think it was so one-sided to affect the balance of the league (and I'm one of the 1st place teams as well), but it gave me pause for a few seconds but I didn't veto.
Exact reason why having a rule that involves voting trades as ok or not is a stupid rule. Especially in a face to face league.
 
No no keepers (redraft). And fwiw, I did NOT veto the trade, but it got rejected due to 1/2 the league veto'ing it. I just thought it would make for some decent discussion. Also, I am not one of the teams involved, but the league is pretty vocal about this one. I thought about it and didn't think it was so one-sided to affect the balance of the league (and I'm one of the 1st place teams as well), but it gave me pause for a few seconds but I didn't veto.
Exact reason why having a rule that involves voting trades as ok or not is a stupid rule. Especially in a face to face league.
I totally agree. The league was kinda thrown together the last week of August and the lack of rules etc. is a serious point of frustration for me. I've tried to get the Commish to clarify some rules, but he hasn't/won't, so it's a one-and-done year for me, but it is what it is. Lesson learned. This is the twoplustwo league, not the local league I run.
 
Everyone else says don't veto, so I will play devil's advocate...Peyton vs RoethlisbergerPeyton has played the tougher schedule thus far, yet he has has 400 more passing yards. Yes, he has 2 more INT's, but Ben has 3 fumbles to Peyton's 0. Peyton also has a rushing TD. Here is the kicker - upcoming schedules. Weeks 14 thru 16 - Peyton faces CIN, DET, and JAX. Ben faces DAL, BAL, and TEN. How is Ben supposed to keep up with Peyton in the 2nd half of the season when he can't even keep up with him with an easier schedule?Owens vs HolmesOwens is currently WR15 in my league, and Holmes is WR44. Neither of them are injured, but Holmes just got suspended for weed. He's sure to keep toking and get suspended again, thus reducing the value of Ben even further. Romo is gonna return in week 11 with a vengeance, and Owens will erupt for a series of monster games.This trade has stink written all over it. "Let's make one monster team and share the winnings. And hey, I know the league will go bonkers, but we'll just call them whiners, and tell them all that they wouldn't complain if the trade was reversed." That's exactly where I have the problem - of course the league wouldn't complain if the trade was reversed, because they would know that a strong team just got weaker.It's an obvious attempt to make a strong team stronger and a weak team weaker, and they didn't even veil it. VETO this trade now!
Thanks for the input, and not to be a kill-joy, but it's McNabb, not Roeth.
Well, crap. All that typing for nothing then...
 
According to Dodd's Top 200 Forward, McNabb+Holmes = 1170 points, Romo+T.O. = 1193 points. Seems pretty fair to me.

 
I think this trade is fair on it's face value no matter what type of league. I would not be at all worried about it.

 
No no keepers (redraft). And fwiw, I did NOT veto the trade, but it got rejected due to 1/2 the league veto'ing it. I just thought it would make for some decent discussion. Also, I am not one of the teams involved, but the league is pretty vocal about this one. I thought about it and didn't think it was so one-sided to affect the balance of the league (and I'm one of the 1st place teams as well), but it gave me pause for a few seconds but I didn't veto.
Exact reason why having a rule that involves voting trades as ok or not is a stupid rule. Especially in a face to face league.
Strong reason why I believe in the "put up or shut up" rule. Of course it only works in Dynasty. In my league this trade would be tracked for the remainder of the year and if McNabb/Santonio outscore Manning/TO on a FP/games played basis, those voting to veto would lose their 1st round pick. You learn the difference between lobsided and personal bias REAL quick with this rule.
 
According to Dodd's Top 200 Forward, McNabb+Holmes = 1170 points, Romo+T.O. = 1193 points. Seems pretty fair to me.
Romo?
lol. Oops. Several of us have reading comprehension problems today.
But the point is valid. Manning is 230 pts higher than Romo, so there is a a notable advantage, but you can't get most of your value out of T.O. until Romo returns. A 5-3 team can afford to wait, a 1-7 team can't.
 
No no keepers (redraft). And fwiw, I did NOT veto the trade, but it got rejected due to 1/2 the league veto'ing it. I just thought it would make for some decent discussion. Also, I am not one of the teams involved, but the league is pretty vocal about this one. I thought about it and didn't think it was so one-sided to affect the balance of the league (and I'm one of the 1st place teams as well), but it gave me pause for a few seconds but I didn't veto.
I'd ditch that league. It's full of idiots.
 

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