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You Can't Be Kidding Me With Sanders (3 Viewers)

What if instead of being gulped up by one of the two existing parties it gulped up one of them, fundamentally altering their philosophy and their party platforms?

I am not advocating, necessarily, a continuously extant third party.  I am advocating for something not status quo.
Yes, I should have made that clear.  I think the mean we'd regress to is two parties, in whatever fashion. 

And I can dig the advocacy for changing the status quo.  I'd love to look at something like ranking candidates on a ballot with 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice, etc.  Someone a lot smarter than me could work out the details and the downstream effects.

 
The data I saw suggested only about 74% of Bernie supporters ended up voting for Hillary.  I don't know what that percentage was for Hillary supporters and Obama in '08.  Do you know?  I'm genuinely curious, as some who didn't support Hillary in '08 but did in '16.   
The American National Elections Study found that 77% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 and 79% of Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008. Statistically identical rates considering the 5% margin of error.

 
I'm voting for Sanders over Trump and would have in the last election (went 3rd party).

Sure, the majority of Sanders' political stances are different than mine.  However, the thing that most matters to me in a President is integrity, and Trump has none.  

 
The American National Elections Study found that 77% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in 2016 and 79% of Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 2008. Statistically identical rates considering the 5% margin of error.
Thank you.  I remember being very bitter about Hillary's pettiness and refusal to be a team player immediately following Obama clinching the nomination.  Bernie's was worse, in my opinion.  

 
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The data I saw suggested only about 74% of Bernie supporters ended up voting for Hillary.  I don't know what that percentage was for Hillary supporters and Obama in '08.  Do you know?  I'm genuinely curious, as some who didn't support Hillary in '08 but did in '16.   
Sorry man.  I was repeating a stat posted by another poster here who i trust.

NPR says 1 in 10 Sanders voters went Trump https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds  I feel pretty good about NPR reporting.

I can't vouch for this source, but they are saying 15% of Clinton voters defected to McCain v. 12% of Sanders supporters to Trump.  The 12% number they use aligns with NPR.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/09/clinton-sanders-primary-new-book

 
Thank you.  I remember being very bitter about Hillary's pettiness and refusal to be a team player immediately following Obama clinching the nomination.  Bernie's was worse, in my opinion.  
Not a Dem here, but I was of the understanding that Hillary was surprised to lose to Obama, but it seemed all on the up and up.

Bernie's loss seemed to come about through some underhanded tactics by Hillary's team and there were some very sour grapes over the way it went down from within his campaign and staff.

 
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Thank you.  I remember being very bitter about Hillary's pettiness and refusal to be a team player immediately following Obama clinching the nomination.  Bernie's was worse, in my opinion.  
Biggest problem with the Dems is they are more concerned with the primary than the general election. Even though a lot of the GOP hated Trump, they were smart enough to get behind a winning ticket. 

 
Not a Dem here, but I was of the understanding that Hillary was surprised to lose to Obama, but it seemed all on the up and up.

Bernie's loss seemed to come about through some underhanded tactics by Hillary's team and there were some very sour grapes over the way it went down from within his campaign and staff.
As a long time liberal Democrat, the bold is whiny Bernie-BS (I'm not saying you're whiny or BSing, just that the narrative is).  Hillary got more votes and won the primary fair and square.  

Another difference between the Hillary and Bernie support after their primary losses - Obama won big so Hillary's pettiness was easily dismissed and forgotten.  Bernie's pettiness likely cost Hillary the election and we got 4 years of Trump because of his and his supporters nonsense.  

 
As a long time liberal Democrat, the bold is whiny Bernie-BS (I'm not saying you're whiny or BSing, just that the narrative is).  Hillary got more votes and won the primary fair and square.  

Another difference between the Hillary and Bernie support after their primary losses - Obama won big so Hillary's pettiness was easily dismissed and forgotten.  Bernie's pettiness likely cost Hillary the election and we got 4 years of Trump because of his and his supporters nonsense.  
Look at how the DNC and mainstream/corporate dems on MSNBC are treating Bernie right now. I don't think it's that big of a stretch.

 
What did Sanders say about the Cuban missile crisis?
I don't think he commented on that recently.  He did just have an interview where he spoke in a positive voice about some of Castro's policies (such as his literacy program).

I have to say, I see his point.  I've been to Cuba twice now.  It's kind of surreal to see a country that provides basic (basic) housing, education, food, and medical care for its citizens. But that said, the country still seems frozen in time from the early 60's.  There's no incentive/motivation to try to advance yourself and succeed, but at least the bottom end is addressed .at a basic level (e.g., rations include milk for children ..through the age of 7, iirc).  Why can't we do better with that?  

(That said, they only survived for decades with Russian support, and then the Chinese after that.  They're currently back in a period of severe rationing.  For our group's last dinner there, one of the hosts had to stand in a line at a market for three hours to buy chicken for our meal.  It is not a pretty economic picture.) 

 
Funny thing is Bernie isn't nearly as "crazy" as everyone makes him out to be.

Are any of his proposed policies not already working successfully in many other countries?
They work, but they're occupied by Nazis and executing MSM members in prominent downtown areas from what I hear. Oh and they're all waiting in breadlines.

 
I don't think he commented on that recently.  He did just have an interview where he spoke in a positive voice about some of Castro's policies (such as his literacy program).

I have to say, I see his point.  I've been to Cuba twice now.  It's kind of surreal to see a country that provides basic (basic) housing, education, food, and medical care for its citizens. But that said, the country still seems frozen in time from the early 60's.  There's no incentive/motivation to try to advance yourself and succeed, but at least the bottom end is addressed .at a basic level (e.g., rations include milk for children ..through the age of 7, iirc).  Why can't we do better with that?  

(That said, they only survived for decades with Russian support, and then the Chinese after that.  They're currently back in a period of severe rationing.  For our group's last dinner there, one of the hosts had to stand in a line at a market for three hours to buy chicken for our meal.  It is not a pretty economic picture.) 
Why can't we do better than having to ration out milk to children?  Are you serious?

 
Why can't we do better than having to ration out milk to children?  Are you serious?
That wasn't what he meant. I think you know that. I hope you know that.

One of the main reasons Cuba has a terrible economy is our 50 years of economic sanctions. Another reason is that Cuba is actually Socialist, with a capital S (as in "communist"). In other words, the government owns the means of production and private enterprise is effectively illegal.

Either one is difficult. The combination is a disaster.

 
Why can't we do better than having to ration out milk to children?  Are you serious?
They (Cuba) ration all basic food stocks, including milk.  There's a rationing store right across from the church where I've stayed in the village of Los Palos.  I've seen some residents selling extras, such as vegetables, on their front porch, but even then, the prices are set/controlled by the government.  When driving along the highways, it's common to see farmers standing along the road hawking onions and such ...we see the farmers, lots of hitchhikers (they do tend to pick up their comrades), and the occasional ox-drawn cart.    

When a couple gets married, they basically move into one of the parent's homes.  They can't just go out and buy their own place.  This leads to many multi-generational homes, and very close-knit societies, but these homes aren't exactly spacious.  All in all, it's quite a micro-economy.

 
Sanders lost bladder control?

Vegas odds have Trump an underdog to Bloomberg and a favorite against Sanders, so yeah.
You can get better odds taking the field right now than you can taking Bernie straight up against Trump. I wonder if that has to do with Bernie’s age and health. 

 
You can get better odds taking the field right now than you can taking Bernie straight up against Trump. I wonder if that has to do with Bernie’s age and health. 
IMO it has to do with the mix including Bloomberg, who appears to be a solid 2nd right now.  Boggles my mind that he has any support given his past statements and the virtue signaling so prevalent on the blue team.

 
Look at how the DNC and mainstream/corporate dems on MSNBC are treating Bernie right now. I don't think it's that big of a stretch.
I think a lot of mainstream Democrats are concerned about Bernie’s electability and it’s the topic of a lot of discussion on MSNBC.  How is that unfair?  As someone who will be happy supporting Bernie, I absolutely have worries about Bernie’s ability to net more votes than more moderate options like Warren, Kloubacher, and Pete.  Don’t you?  

 
I hope I’m WAY OFF, just like I was in 2016 when I thought there was little chance my fellow Americans would actually vote for Trump.  I hope Sanders wins in an absolute landslide, and the young people, who historically never turn out, turn out in droves.  

 
We need to do a better job of educating our youth on the repercussions of socialism...this much is obvious.
Bernie wouldn’t get any crazy polices through Congress: A little pendulum swing back from the crazy wealth that has settled in the top .1% is just fine, we’ll be ok.

 
Defending Cuba is a sign of pathology. Sandersism is a pathological construct to be sure. Glad the Democrats have handed Stalinism-lite the reins. 
I just wanna hear Bernie wax poetic more about Castro’s beautiful literacy program in Cuba. 

 
Bernie wouldn’t get any crazy polices through Congress: A little pendulum swing back from the crazy wealth that has settled in the top .1% is just fine, we’ll be ok.
OK. I agree. So what does he get through? Is he going to back and sponsor a more moderate bill on healthcare with a public option and Medicare expansion/age lowering? Or do we kick the can down the road another 4 years and try again? 

 
Bernie wouldn’t get any crazy polices through Congress: A little pendulum swing back from the crazy wealth that has settled in the top .1% is just fine, we’ll be ok.
I can’t tell you how times I’ve said that around here. It’s also absolutely fascinating to me that the same people who laugh when others say Trump is authoritarian and turning America into a dictatorship are exactly the same people who say Bernie will turn America socialist.  It’s mind boggling really. 

 
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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said that around here. It’s also absolutely fascinating to me that the same people who laugh when others say Trump is authoritarian and turning America into a dictatorship are exactly the same people who say Bernie will turn America socialist.  It’s mind boggling really. 


The Trump "authoritarianism" schtick is so overblown.


We need to do a better job of educating our youth on the repercussions of socialism...this much is obvious.
Case and point....

 
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