You think Bountygate hasn't been done before, try again (1 Viewer)

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

 

[The Comedian]

Cool story bro.

 

[Zimm]

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

It was a dirty hit for sure. What makes you think a bounty was involved?

It was more than dirty, 4 seconds after the ball was let go.The encouragement on the lead me to believe it wasn't frowned upon by teammates, would that include money...who knows.

 

[sho nuff]

It was a dirty hit for sure. What makes you think a bounty was involved?

It was more than dirty, 4 seconds after the ball was let go.The encouragement on the lead me to believe it wasn't frowned upon by teammates, would that include money...who knows.

So basically all speculation over a play from 25 years ago?

 

[CapnJB]

Obviously a fake. Youtube wasn't around in 1986.

 

[Buffaloes]

can we go ahead and stop adding '-gate' to the end of all these scandals?

 

[belljr]

um bounty bowl

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/1989-bounty-bowl-had-much-different-vibe-current-001931370.html

 

[comfortably numb]

can we go ahead and stop adding '-gate' to the end of all these scandals?

Let's call it "stop-endingate"

 

[Sabertooth]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

Link to the part where he got paid by the Packers for all that.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

Link to the part where he got paid by the Packers for all that.

Roger Goodell wasn't commish back then

 

[matuski]

It was a dirty hit for sure. What makes you think a bounty was involved?

It was more than dirty, 4 seconds after the ball was let go.The encouragement on the lead me to believe it wasn't frowned upon by teammates, would that include money...who knows.

So basically all speculation over a play from 25 years ago?

apparently

 

[Warhogs]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

I'm sure somebody has already posted this but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

I'm sure somebody has already posted this but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

Wow didn't know that

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Wow didn't know that

It wasn't a huge story at the time, which tells you a lot about how much things have changed vis-a-vis the current situation. There was also the Ravens thing just a couple years ago.

 

[Sabertooth]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

Link to the part where he got paid by the Packers for all that.

Roger Goodell wasn't commish back then

So there isn't one. Got it. You sir, fail.

 

[Warhogs]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

I'm sure somebody has already posted this but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

Wow didn't know that

So you honestly did not know or thought people did not know this has happened before?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

Link to the part where he got paid by the Packers for all that.

Roger Goodell wasn't commish back then

So there isn't one. Got it. You sir, fail.

You don't think what happened on that play was wrong?

 

[sho nuff]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

Link to the part where he got paid by the Packers for all that.

Roger Goodell wasn't commish back then

So there isn't one. Got it. You sir, fail.

You don't think what happened on that play was wrong?

Sure it was...very dirty play.But what does that have to do with the current Saint's situation or how does it being dirty prove that "bountygate has not been done before"?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Sure it was...very dirty play.But what does that have to do with the current Saint's situation or how does it being dirty prove that "bountygate has not been done before"?

Hit-list showing targeted players=checkDirty play=checkSupport/encouragement from teammates on the sideline=checkDid he get paid? I don't know that but it didn't looked frowned upon by Green Bay.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

I'm sure somebody has already posted this but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

Wow didn't know that

So you honestly did not know or thought people did not know this has happened before?

I didn't know about the issues between Eagles/Cowboys in the late 80's - early 90's, no.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

I'm sure somebody has already posted this but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

Wow didn't know that

So you honestly did not know or thought people did not know this has happened before?

I didn't know about the issues between Eagles/Cowboys in the late 80's - early 90's, no.

Only Buddy Ryan would put a target on a kicker's back.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

Link to the part where he got paid by the Packers for all that.

Roger Goodell wasn't commish back then

So there isn't one. Got it. You sir, fail.

If you can't read between the lines then your glasses are coke bottles.-A cellar dweller team vs a Super Bowl contender

-Late in the season

-Most dirty play i've ever seen

-Ends starting QB's season on super bowl contener

-High Fives on the sideline from the cellar dweller team

Yeah absolutely no coincidence

 

[Autumn Wind]

And what does this have to do with what the Saints did? Is this supposed to make us think they shouldn't be nailed? I don't find "but they did it fiiiiirst!" to be a persuasive argument.

 

[imagroid]

So you create a thread about how bounties have been around for awhile, but instead of referencing games actually referred to as "bounty bowls" you chose a game where the packers ruined yet another bears season. Who's the homer?

 

[Godsbrother]

The Ravens admitted to having bounties on Hines Ward and Rashard Mendenhall a few years ago.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

So you create a thread about how bounties have been around for awhile, but instead of referencing games actually referred to as "bounty bowls" you chose a game where the packers ruined yet another bears season. Who's the homer?

You clearly didn't watch the play

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

So, since the Packers are owned by their fans, lets ban Packer fans from the NFL for life! Sounds like a plan to me!!

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

And what does this have to do with what the Saints did? Is this supposed to make us think they shouldn't be nailed? I don't find "but they did it fiiiiirst!" to be a persuasive argument.

I never said such a thing and i'm not sure what the penalty should be. Charles Martin only got suspended for 2 games for this incident.

 

[imagroid]

So you create a thread about how bounties have been around for awhile, but instead of referencing games actually referred to as "bounty bowls" you chose a game where the packers ruined yet another bears season. Who's the homer?

You clearly didn't watch the play

I did and it's a dirty play. Finding a bit hard to believe that the intent here is to shed light on the prevalence of bounty systems in the past. Looks more like a bears fan decided to throw a little mud in the direction of a rival.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

So you create a thread about how bounties have been around for awhile, but instead of referencing games actually referred to as "bounty bowls" you chose a game where the packers ruined yet another bears season. Who's the homer?

You clearly didn't watch the play

I did and it's a dirty play. Finding a bit hard to believe that the intent here is to shed light on the prevalence of bounty systems in the past. Looks more like a bears fan decided to throw a little mud in the direction of a rival.

1) Intent is to show it was possible in this instance.2) It brought forth the other bounty-bowl posts as well.3) If you don't like discussions and searching for a fishing trip look elsewhere.

 

[belljr]

um bounty bowl http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/1989-bounty-bowl-had-much-different-vibe-current-001931370.html

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

I'm sure somebody has already posted this but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

 

[Sabertooth]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

Link to the part where he got paid by the Packers for all that.

Roger Goodell wasn't commish back then

So there isn't one. Got it. You sir, fail.

You don't think what happened on that play was wrong?

I thought you were saying there was a bounty paid by the team. Obviously what was done was wrong. I don't think there is anything or anyone disputing that. But that was a person doing something, not an entire organization doing it. There is a big difference. It was cheap shot and a weak cowardly act. I don't think you'll find many Packer fans in disagreement with that.

 

[imagroid]

The title of your thread would indicate that you view it as more than a possibility.

You are indicting an entire organization for using bounties based in your perceived "possibility".

I enjoy discussion. Discussion based around topic that has substance. This is merely a feable attempt by a bears homer to smear the reputation of a rival. We have plenty of that nonsense here.

 

[belljr]

I think 1954 was the first documented bounty and it wasn't even in the NFL...

I mean that's the only explanation right...

 

[Sabertooth]

Martin was traded away the next season FWIW. Just saying.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The title of your thread would indicate that you view it as more than a possibility. You are indicting an entire organization for using bounties based in your perceived "possibility". I enjoy discussion. Discussion based around topic that has substance. This is merely a feable attempt by a bears homer to smear the reputation of a rival. We have plenty of that nonsense here.

Please tell me what else i'm thinking

 

[imagroid]

The title of your thread would indicate that you view it as more than a possibility. You are indicting an entire organization for using bounties based in your perceived "possibility". I enjoy discussion. Discussion based around topic that has substance. This is merely a feable attempt by a bears homer to smear the reputation of a rival. We have plenty of that nonsense here.

Please tell me what else i'm thinking

Typically when someone writes something, it comes from their brain. Must not be the case when those words come from their ###.

 

[Shane Falco]

Week 12 1986

Chicago Bears(9-2) vs Green Bay Packers(2-9)

Chicago is coming off of a 15-1 1985 season which they won the Super Bowl.

Bears starting QB Jim McMahon comes into the game with a sore right throwing shoulder.

Packers DE Charles Martin enters the game with a hit-list of Bears offensive players that he wanted to hurt See picture for details

Just watch, makes me sick

-Also watch all the high fives he gets after the play at the end of the clip. Looks very "discouraged".

This directly led to Chicago not being a contender in the playoffs and to repeat their Super Bowl of 1985.

Link to the part where he got paid by the Packers for all that.

Roger Goodell wasn't commish back then

So there isn't one. Got it. You sir, fail.

If you can't read between the lines then your glasses are coke bottles.-A cellar dweller team vs a Super Bowl contender

-Late in the season

-Most dirty play i've ever seen

-Ends starting QB's season on super bowl contener

-High Fives on the sideline from the cellar dweller team

Yeah absolutely no coincidence

you should check out the footage of the Packers Bryce Paup and his late hit on Cunningham too. Seems to be a trend with them...Oh and the "new" commercial with Mean Joe Greene throwing his jersey to a fan... its a re-make.

 

[The Westin]

Are we calling every dirty hit a bounty now?

 

[sho nuff]

Sure it was...very dirty play.But what does that have to do with the current Saint's situation or how does it being dirty prove that "bountygate has not been done before"?

Hit-list showing targeted players=checkDirty play=checkSupport/encouragement from teammates on the sideline=checkDid he get paid? I don't know that but it didn't looked frowned upon by Green Bay.

Systemic issue involving a prominent member of the coaching staff = nope.Told to stop it by the league...said he would...then kept doing it = nope.Same time frame of the NFL currently trying to push player safety = nope.The guy was a dirty player...thats about it.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Sure it was...very dirty play.

But what does that have to do with the current Saint's situation or how does it being dirty prove that "bountygate has not been done before"?

Hit-list showing targeted players=checkDirty play=check

Support/encouragement from teammates on the sideline=check

Did he get paid? I don't know that but it didn't looked frowned upon by Green Bay.

Systemic issue involving a prominent member of the coaching staff = nope.

Told to stop it by the league...said he would...then kept doing it = nope.

Same time frame of the NFL currently trying to push player safety = nope.

The guy was a dirty player...thats about it.

Ditka thought it was coached"And it was ugly. You can't try to hurt people and they tried to hurt some of our guys. (Running back) Matt Suhey is lucky he didn't get hurt badly. And when McMahon was picked up by Charles Martin and thrown down, he was lucky he wasn't hurt very badly.

"These things were after the play, after the fact. So either you are coaching that or your players are stupid. That's what I'm going to say. In this case I believe they were coached. That's why I never got along with Forrest Gregg. To this day I don't respect him for that reason. . . . When the play is over and you pick somebody up and slam them on the ground. 'Oh, big deal' (Martin says). I'm a tough guy.' You're not a tough guy. You're a dumb guy."

In the next link it's indicated that Gregg told them to go beyond the rules.

Read pg 180 "Packer Whackers"

 

[sho nuff]

Well if Ditka said it...and a former Bear player said he thought he heard it through the grapevine that it was coached...then it must be just like the Saints...never mind the complete different era of the NFL and what was considered acceptable behavior and all.



Face it...you are grasping at straws here and everyone has pointed this out to you...not just Packers with their homer glasses on.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Well if Ditka said it...and a former Bear player said he thought he heard it through the grapevine that it was coached...then it must be just like the Saints...never mind the complete different era of the NFL and what was considered acceptable behavior and all. Face it...you are grasping at straws here and everyone has pointed this out to you...not just Packers with their homer glasses on.

Almost everyone that has had an issue is a packers fan:-Sho Nuff-Westin-Imagroid-SabertoothJust sayin Not much more I can do than point out the entire situation and links that the coach taught them to hurt other players.

 

[sho nuff]

Well if Ditka said it...and a former Bear player said he thought he heard it through the grapevine that it was coached...then it must be just like the Saints...never mind the complete different era of the NFL and what was considered acceptable behavior and all. Face it...you are grasping at straws here and everyone has pointed this out to you...not just Packers with their homer glasses on.

Almost everyone that has had an issue is a packers fan:-Sho Nuff-Westin-Imagroid-SabertoothJust sayin Not much more I can do than point out the entire situation and links that the coach taught them to hurt other players.

The ComedianBusterTBroncoZimmmatuskiAutumn Windimagroid is a Packers fan? Not really sure about that one.And the only one to agree its the same is...well...you.You posted on link by a former Bear that he "heard through the grapevine something along the lines of".Wow...strong link there.And again...bit different in 1986 to 2012.How it came off...as another posted...was a Bears fan taking a shot at a division rival.Again...it was a dirty hit...but does not appear to be anything close to the systemic issue that went on with Gregg Williams.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Well if Ditka said it...and a former Bear player said he thought he heard it through the grapevine that it was coached...then it must be just like the Saints...never mind the complete different era of the NFL and what was considered acceptable behavior and all.



Face it...you are grasping at straws here and everyone has pointed this out to you...not just Packers with their homer glasses on.

Almost everyone that has had an issue is a packers fan:-Sho Nuff

-Westin

-Imagroid

-Sabertooth

Just sayin

Not much more I can do than point out the entire situation and links that the coach taught them to hurt other players.

The ComedianBusterTBronco

Zimm

matuski

Autumn Wind

imagroid is a Packers fan? Not really sure about that one.

And the only one to agree its the same is...well...you.

You posted on link by a former Bear that he "heard through the grapevine something along the lines of".

Wow...strong link there.



And again...bit different in 1986 to 2012.

How it came off...as another posted...was a Bears fan taking a shot at a division rival.

Again...it was a dirty hit...but does not appear to be anything close to the systemic issue that went on with Gregg Williams.

His profile says packers fan.Either way, no I don't have proof they got paid. If I did, then the current Saints would be repeating a past big issue in the NFL instead of getting caught for the first time. Kind of like Steroids with Bonds, but people found out about Canseco etc.

I thought it had a coincidence, maybe it didn't. In the end it's a message board.

 

[Sabertooth]

Well if Ditka said it...and a former Bear player said he thought he heard it through the grapevine that it was coached...then it must be just like the Saints...never mind the complete different era of the NFL and what was considered acceptable behavior and all. Face it...you are grasping at straws here and everyone has pointed this out to you...not just Packers with their homer glasses on.

Almost everyone that has had an issue is a packers fan:-Sho Nuff-Westin-Imagroid-SabertoothJust sayin Not much more I can do than point out the entire situation and links that the coach taught them to hurt other players.

I guess this is your gallant retreat. Pathetic.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Well if Ditka said it...and a former Bear player said he thought he heard it through the grapevine that it was coached...then it must be just like the Saints...never mind the complete different era of the NFL and what was considered acceptable behavior and all. Face it...you are grasping at straws here and everyone has pointed this out to you...not just Packers with their homer glasses on.

Almost everyone that has had an issue is a packers fan:-Sho Nuff-Westin-Imagroid-SabertoothJust sayin Not much more I can do than point out the entire situation and links that the coach taught them to hurt other players.

I guess this is your gallant retreat. Pathetic.

Do you feel better about yourself now?

 

[Sabertooth]

Well if Ditka said it...and a former Bear player said he thought he heard it through the grapevine that it was coached...then it must be just like the Saints...never mind the complete different era of the NFL and what was considered acceptable behavior and all. Face it...you are grasping at straws here and everyone has pointed this out to you...not just Packers with their homer glasses on.

Almost everyone that has had an issue is a packers fan:-Sho Nuff-Westin-Imagroid-SabertoothJust sayin Not much more I can do than point out the entire situation and links that the coach taught them to hurt other players.

I guess this is your gallant retreat. Pathetic.

Do you feel better about yourself now?