You think Bountygate hasn't been done before, try again (1 Viewer)

[SmoovySmoov]

So either you are coaching that or your players are stupid. That's what I'm going to say. In this case I believe they were coached. That's why I never got along with Forrest Gregg. To this day I don't respect him for that reason. . . . When the play is over and you pick somebody up and slam them on the ground. 'Oh, big deal' (Martin says). I'm a tough guy.' You're not a tough guy. You're a dumb guy."

I'm not getting into the Bears fan / Packer fan pissing contest, but the above is just one of the many reasons I love Ditka.

 

[Mello]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

Who is this public? Where were they 20 years ago? I have yet to meet a single real life person that's legitimately upset about this. Well, other than a few Saints' fans worried about the punishment. Just another story the media is blowing up on their own.

 

[sho nuff]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

Who is this public? Where were they 20 years ago? I have yet to meet a single real life person that's legitimately upset about this. Well, other than a few Saints' fans worried about the punishment. Just another story the media is blowing up on their own.

The media is blowing it up on their own?Yeah...not a big story considering the likely punishments.

 

[General Tso]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

I'm sure somebody has already posted this but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

Wow didn't know that

So you honestly did not know or thought people did not know this has happened before?

I didn't know about the issues between Eagles/Cowboys in the late 80's - early 90's, no.

Only Buddy Ryan would put a target on a kicker's back.

Those Buddy Ryan days sure were interesting. The takeout of the kicker, while pathetic, was actually kind of comical, and the media played it up as such. Bounty Bowl 2 was an absolute fiasco with the Philly fans throwing iceballs at everyone - refs, players, coaches, broadcasters... Even Governor Randall showed how classless Eagles fans are by getting involved and then gleefully admitting it on live tv. I still remember Jimmy Johnson running for his life off the field.Buddy never formally admitted to the bounty, but a couple years ago I ran into Rex Ryan in Philly and I couldn't pass up asking him the question about his Dad. He smiled, gave me a wink and said, "Come on, you don't think my Dad would do something like that do you?". I'm a Pats fan, but at that moment I became a Rex Ryan fan as well.

 

[pk4239]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1065608/index.htm

From day one, Packer-Bear games—the first game was played in 1921—have tended to be slugfests. Last season the rivalry intensified. In the first meeting, a Monday night game on Oct. 21 (1985) at Soldier Field, coach Mike Ditka used William Perry in the backfield. The Fridge put the finishing touches on a 23-7 humiliation of the Packers by scoring his first TD.

In that game, after Green Bay's Lynn Dickey threw an interception in the first half, Dan Hampton and Steve McMichael chased the Packer quarterback and gave him a couple of extra shots to the head. In the rematch, won 16-10 by the Bears, there were seven personal fouls overall.

After that game, the Packers took up a new battle cry: When a quarterback throws an interception in practice, a defensive player will shout from the sidelines, "Get the quarterback!"

Martin, who in the Nov. 23 game wore a towel that bore a hit list targeting McMahon, Walter Payton, Dennis Gentry, Willie Gault and Jay Hilgenberg, said that cry ran through his mind. "I had worked myself into a totally irrational state," he said. "In the heat of battle, I lost it. Because of the intensity, I didn't know what I was doing." Of the hit list, he said, "Those were the key guys on the team we had to play well against and maybe take a couple out of the game." But he claims the Packers didn't mean to injure anyone. Instead he said those were players who had to be controlled in order for Green Bay to win.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1065608/index.htm

From day one, Packer-Bear games—the first game was played in 1921—have tended to be slugfests. Last season the rivalry intensified. In the first meeting, a Monday night game on Oct. 21 (1985) at Soldier Field, coach Mike Ditka used William Perry in the backfield. The Fridge put the finishing touches on a 23-7 humiliation of the Packers by scoring his first TD.

In that game, after Green Bay's Lynn Dickey threw an interception in the first half, Dan Hampton and Steve McMichael chased the Packer quarterback and gave him a couple of extra shots to the head. In the rematch, won 16-10 by the Bears, there were seven personal fouls overall.

After that game, the Packers took up a new battle cry: When a quarterback throws an interception in practice, a defensive player will shout from the sidelines, "Get the quarterback!"

Martin, who in the Nov. 23 game wore a towel that bore a hit list targeting McMahon, Walter Payton, Dennis Gentry, Willie Gault and Jay Hilgenberg, said that cry ran through his mind. "I had worked myself into a totally irrational state," he said. "In the heat of battle, I lost it. Because of the intensity, I didn't know what I was doing." Of the hit list, he said, "Those were the key guys on the team we had to play well against and maybe take a couple out of the game." But he claims the Packers didn't mean to injure anyone. Instead he said those were players who had to be controlled in order for Green Bay to win.

This makes zero sense.1) The Packers defender caught the interception on the ground and was touched very quickly

2) Martin picked up McMahon from behind and threw him down on his injured shoulder. That in no possible way is blocking.

3) Martin is backpedaling.

4) This is more evidence that these types of things were coached by Forest Gregg.

 

[Sabertooth]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1065608/index.htm

From day one, Packer-Bear games—the first game was played in 1921—have tended to be slugfests. Last season the rivalry intensified. In the first meeting, a Monday night game on Oct. 21 (1985) at Soldier Field, coach Mike Ditka used William Perry in the backfield. The Fridge put the finishing touches on a 23-7 humiliation of the Packers by scoring his first TD.

In that game, after Green Bay's Lynn Dickey threw an interception in the first half, Dan Hampton and Steve McMichael chased the Packer quarterback and gave him a couple of extra shots to the head. In the rematch, won 16-10 by the Bears, there were seven personal fouls overall.

After that game, the Packers took up a new battle cry: When a quarterback throws an interception in practice, a defensive player will shout from the sidelines, "Get the quarterback!"

Martin, who in the Nov. 23 game wore a towel that bore a hit list targeting McMahon, Walter Payton, Dennis Gentry, Willie Gault and Jay Hilgenberg, said that cry ran through his mind. "I had worked myself into a totally irrational state," he said. "In the heat of battle, I lost it. Because of the intensity, I didn't know what I was doing." Of the hit list, he said, "Those were the key guys on the team we had to play well against and maybe take a couple out of the game." But he claims the Packers didn't mean to injure anyone. Instead he said those were players who had to be controlled in order for Green Bay to win.

This makes zero sense.1) The Packers defender caught the interception on the ground and was touched very quickly

2) Martin picked up McMahon from behind and threw him down on his injured shoulder. That in no possible way is blocking.

3) Martin is backpedaling.

4) This is more evidence speculation that these types of things were coached by Forest Gregg.

Fixed that for you. Mike Ditka isn't exactly Jack McCoy.

 

[sho nuff]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1065608/index.htm

From day one, Packer-Bear games—the first game was played in 1921—have tended to be slugfests. Last season the rivalry intensified. In the first meeting, a Monday night game on Oct. 21 (1985) at Soldier Field, coach Mike Ditka used William Perry in the backfield. The Fridge put the finishing touches on a 23-7 humiliation of the Packers by scoring his first TD.

In that game, after Green Bay's Lynn Dickey threw an interception in the first half, Dan Hampton and Steve McMichael chased the Packer quarterback and gave him a couple of extra shots to the head. In the rematch, won 16-10 by the Bears, there were seven personal fouls overall.

After that game, the Packers took up a new battle cry: When a quarterback throws an interception in practice, a defensive player will shout from the sidelines, "Get the quarterback!"

Martin, who in the Nov. 23 game wore a towel that bore a hit list targeting McMahon, Walter Payton, Dennis Gentry, Willie Gault and Jay Hilgenberg, said that cry ran through his mind. "I had worked myself into a totally irrational state," he said. "In the heat of battle, I lost it. Because of the intensity, I didn't know what I was doing." Of the hit list, he said, "Those were the key guys on the team we had to play well against and maybe take a couple out of the game." But he claims the Packers didn't mean to injure anyone. Instead he said those were players who had to be controlled in order for Green Bay to win.

This makes zero sense.1) The Packers defender caught the interception on the ground and was touched very quickly

2) Martin picked up McMahon from behind and threw him down on his injured shoulder. That in no possible way is blocking.

3) Martin is backpedaling.

4) This is more evidence that these types of things were coached by Forest Gregg.

4) get the QB after an INT is not the same thing as this bounty thing...its pretty common a QB better watchout after an INT because a defender is going to look to "throw a block" at the QB.None of this was evidence that Gregg was coaching them to body slam guys, cheap shot them, or hit them late and illegally.

Nice try.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

After that game, the Packers took up a new battle cry: When a quarterback throws an interception in practice, a defensive player will shout from the sidelines, "Get the quarterback!"

It happens in practice, but doesn't come from the coaches...ok.

 

[fatness]

 

[sho nuff]

After that game, the Packers took up a new battle cry: When a quarterback throws an interception in practice, a defensive player will shout from the sidelines, "Get the quarterback!"

It happens in practice, but doesn't come from the coaches...ok.

Again...this is common practice.Get the QB does not mean "pick him up, body slam him and cheap shot him".

Its a common practice now when a QB throws an INT, defenders look to get a hit on the QB "blocking" him during a "return" no matter if he is close to the play or not.

This is not the same thing as cheap shotting him, hitting him illegally, or doing what Martin did.

You again are reaching here.

 

[Amused to Death]

I would venture to guess that the concept of bounties has been around for a long time. I'm pretty sure there have been bounties for making big plays. I don't know if it would have been very common to put one in for injuries. The problem in this case is they got caught and it has become a huge public nightmare. The NFL isn't going to have any choice but come down hard on this one to save face.

I'm sure somebody has already posted this but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_Bowl

"I have absolutely no respect for the way they played the game, I would have said something to Buddy, but he wouldn't stand on the field long enough. He put his big, fat rear end into the dressing room." - Jimmy Johnson"I resent that. I've been on a diet, lost a couple of pounds. I thought I was looking good." - Buddy's response