Young to turn pro (2 Viewers)

[5Rings]

I think Young is better than Vick was when he came out early.

I think if the Texans cannot trade down (which I guarantee is what they want to do), they will surprise people and take Vince Young (kind of like how Miami talked about wanting Braylon Edwards and took Ronnie Brown).

Young would be so much better than Carr in that offense. It's a run-blocking offensive line that can't pass protect. Perfect!

Here's how I see it happening if Houston can't trade down

Houston - Vince Young

New Orleans - Matt Leinart

Tennessee - DBrickshaw Ferguson

New York Jets - Reggie Bush

Green Bay - DeAngelo Williams

Oakland - Jimmy Williams

San Fran - AJ Hawk

However, I think Houston will trade down and this is what will happen:

Tennessee (via Houston) - Vince Young

New York Jets (via New Orleans) - Reggie Bush

Houston (via Tennessee) - D'Brickshaw Ferguson

New Orleans (via NYJ) - Matt Leinart

Green Bay- DeAngelo Williams

Oakland - Jimmy Williams

San Fran - AJ Hawk

Tennessee will want to get Vince Young to be mentored by McNair, so they trade up with Houston to take him. The Jets, realizing that the Texans can still snag Reggie Bush, are forced to trade up with New Orleans to get their man. The Texans "settle" with their franchise LT and New Orleans gets a franchise QB.

I could see it shaking out this way.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

You can never have too many good RB's. A combo of Bush/Davis is a great commodity.

You can have too many when you're drafting them at the expense of drafting linemen, and your O-Line sucks a*s.

 

[-OZ-]

Im obviously referring to the meltdown pitch when Bush advanced the ball down to inside the 20 and somehow had a 'momentary lapse of reason', aka a MELTDOWN, throwing the ball backwards while getting drilled. Do we not know a meltdown when we see one?

I'm not going as far as to call it a "MELTDOWN". A bad play, sure. For all we know though, they may have practiced a play like that and the other guy should have been alert. (doubtful, but we do not know). Everything I've seen from this kid has impressed me except that play, so I'm not going to hang him up for it.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

1)texas wins the national championship and there are still posts blasting the coaching staff and its lack of development of players.2) VY leads the nation in passer rating and yet there are still posts saying he needs to come back to work on his throwing.theres just nothing we can do to impress you non-Horns i guess. but you know what..im ok with that. give em hell VY.

 

[Jason Wood]

Phil Simms was on NFL Today with Mike Francesa this morning and said he thinks Young is a HUGE risk. That people [myself included] got all excited about his 30 or 40 performance but that almost none of the throws he made in that game will be available in the pros. He also said that after watching film on him, Young is a "safe, tentative" thrower and that's a recipe for disaster in the NFL.

Take it for what it's worth, but he conceded that Young will be a very high pick and COULD evolve, but that he's got a ton of work and is far, FAR from being ready to help an NFL franchise.

Sounds like Phil is just looking at one game.Stupid.

To be fair, Simms was asked whether his EXISTING concerns about Vince Young's pro prospects were in any way altered by his performance in the Rose Bowl. That's why Phil singled out the 30 of 40 passing performance.And let's be honest, it's ONE GAME that has most of us singing Young's praises. The debate about whether Young a) should come out this year and b) would be a top pro were GREATLY fragmented until he won the Rose Bowl. Now it seems much more the consensus that he's going to be the man [or at least has the chance to be a great pro.]

 

[-OZ-]

And let's be honest, it's ONE GAME that has most of us singing Young's praises. The debate about whether Young a) should come out this year and b) would be a top pro were GREATLY fragmented until he won the Rose Bowl. Now it seems much more the consensus that he's going to be the man [or at least has the chance to be a great pro.]

Yep, but when that one game is against the team that was touted as the best ever, can you blame us? FWIW, I was one of the first to say he should declare, Colin (IIRC) pointed out that no player had declared under Brown's watch (an interesting fact). I think a lot of the fragmentation came from that.

 

[Red Apples]

And let's be honest, it's ONE GAME that has most of us singing Young's praises. The debate about whether Young a) should come out this year and b) would be a top pro were GREATLY fragmented until he won the Rose Bowl. Now it seems much more the consensus that he's going to be the man [or at least has the chance to be a great pro.]

Yep, but when that one game is against the team that was touted as the best ever, can you blame us? FWIW, I was one of the first to say he should declare, Colin (IIRC) pointed out that no player had declared under Brown's watch (an interesting fact). I think a lot of the fragmentation came from that.

nobody was saying USC has the greatest d ever, in fact, most peeps concede USC had no d whatsoever.

 

[-OZ-]

And let's be honest, it's ONE GAME that has most of us singing Young's praises. The debate about whether Young a) should come out this year and b) would be a top pro were GREATLY fragmented until he won the Rose Bowl. Now it seems much more the consensus that he's going to be the man [or at least has the chance to be a great pro.]

Yep, but when that one game is against the team that was touted as the best ever, can you blame us? FWIW, I was one of the first to say he should declare, Colin (IIRC) pointed out that no player had declared under Brown's watch (an interesting fact). I think a lot of the fragmentation came from that.

nobody was saying USC has the greatest d ever, in fact, most peeps concede USC had no d whatsoever.

You're right there, but have you been watching ESPN in the AM? I missed the last couple, but the "experts" had them beating every other champion. So one man outscored the best offense ever? Still, very impressive.

 

[kingmalaki]

Phil Simms was on NFL Today with Mike Francesa this morning and said he thinks Young is a HUGE risk. That people [myself included] got all excited about his 30 or 40 performance but that almost none of the throws he made in that game will be available in the pros. He also said that after watching film on him, Young is a "safe, tentative" thrower and that's a recipe for disaster in the NFL.

Take it for what it's worth, but he conceded that Young will be a very high pick and COULD evolve, but that he's got a ton of work and is far, FAR from being ready to help an NFL franchise.

Sounds like Phil is just looking at one game.Stupid.

To be fair, Simms was asked whether his EXISTING concerns about Vince Young's pro prospects were in any way altered by his performance in the Rose Bowl. That's why Phil singled out the 30 of 40 passing performance.And let's be honest, it's ONE GAME that has most of us singing Young's praises. The debate about whether Young a) should come out this year and b) would be a top pro were GREATLY fragmented until he won the Rose Bowl. Now it seems much more the consensus that he's going to be the man [or at least has the chance to be a great pro.]

I disagree with the "1 game". Prior to winning the Rose Bowl, most thought Vince was going back to school. That's why he wasn't on the radar.He has been putting up all world numbers all season....

 

[kingmalaki]

I think Young is better than Vick was when he came out early.

I think if the Texans cannot trade down (which I guarantee is what they want to do), they will surprise people and take Vince Young (kind of like how Miami talked about wanting Braylon Edwards and took Ronnie Brown).

Young would be so much better than Carr in that offense. It's a run-blocking offensive line that can't pass protect. Perfect!

Here's how I see it happening if Houston can't trade down

Houston - Vince Young

New Orleans - Matt Leinart

Tennessee - DBrickshaw Ferguson

New York Jets - Reggie Bush

Green Bay - DeAngelo Williams

Oakland - Jimmy Williams

San Fran - AJ Hawk

However, I think Houston will trade down and this is what will happen:

Tennessee (via Houston) - Vince Young

New York Jets (via New Orleans) - Reggie Bush

Houston (via Tennessee) - D'Brickshaw Ferguson

New Orleans (via NYJ) - Matt Leinart

Green Bay- DeAngelo Williams

Oakland - Jimmy Williams

San Fran - AJ Hawk

Tennessee will want to get Vince Young to be mentored by McNair, so they trade up with Houston to take him. The Jets, realizing that the Texans can still snag Reggie Bush, are forced to trade up with New Orleans to get their man. The Texans "settle" with their franchise LT and New Orleans gets a franchise QB.

They will kill Casserly here if he comes out of this draft without VY or Bush. We already think he's an idiot....There will be a lot of pressure on the Texans to draft VY. His press conference was the leading story on EVERY Houston news channel tonight. Huge VY/Bush debate going on right now...and it's only January....

 

[cstu]

Houston better think long and hard about this guy as their NEW franchise QB. He's a big guy with an ACCURATE arm who can throw with TOUCH. David Carr is a BUM and will never be a franchise QB. Reggie Bush is a SMALL RB who will never be a franchise guy, imo. Simple question....would you rather have a BIG, bigtime Q or a SMALL part-time RB who had a meltdown in the biggest game of his life? Vince Young to Houston is kindof a no-brainer....kindof why I think they WONT choose him. Thats the kind of silly stuff BAD teams do.

please tell me you're kidding

Im obviously referring to the meltdown pitch when Bush advanced the ball down to inside the 20 and somehow had a 'momentary lapse of reason', aka a MELTDOWN, throwing the ball backwards while getting drilled. Do we not know a meltdown when we see one?

I believe Bush has did the same thing earlier this year and it worked.

 

[Keysersoze666]

Houston better think long and hard about this guy as their NEW franchise QB.  He's a big guy with an ACCURATE arm who can throw with TOUCH.  David Carr is a BUM and will never be a franchise QB.  Reggie Bush is a SMALL RB who will never be a franchise guy, imo.  Simple question....would you rather have a BIG, bigtime Q or a SMALL part-time RB who had a meltdown in the biggest game of his life?  Vince Young to Houston is kindof a no-brainer....kindof why I think they WONT choose him.  Thats the kind of silly stuff BAD teams do.

please tell me you're kidding

Im obviously referring to the meltdown pitch when Bush advanced the ball down to inside the 20 and somehow had a 'momentary lapse of reason', aka a MELTDOWN, throwing the ball backwards while getting drilled. Do we not know a meltdown when we see one?

So that one play is enough to make you think he wont be a good NFL RB?

The only comparable play in history I can remember is Chris Webber calling Time out when they had no time outs in the College Championship. Webber went on to become a pretty solid pro, Bush will be solid, yet unspectacular, like a Warrick Dunn.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm sorry Noah, I don't know you and don't mean this to be SO personal, but your analogy is so silly that I can't help but laugh. To compare Webber's gaffe with Bush's ill-timed pitch creates nothing but a GIGGLE.To then go on and assume that their pro careers would somehow be tied to YOUR inaccurate analogy is even funnier. I'm sure you didn't mean it this way and therefore I grant you a PASS (Free timeout if you are Webber) which you can correct as you see fit.

 

[jwvdcw]

I know that it's hard for Young to turn down the money, because he will be chosen early, but he needs another year to refine his skills to be more suited to the pro game. He won't be able to do to NFL linebackers what he did to college linebackers. Vince Young's ability in the passing game is still a work in progress.

I've always wondered why people saying this:If a player needs to improve an area of their game, then can't they improve more by being coached by the best coaches in the world and playing against the top competition of the NFL? Why would staying in college and playing against inferior competition that doesn't really challenge you to improve(for example Young wouldn't need to improve his passing because he could just run all day long) help more?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

And let's be honest, it's ONE GAME that has most of us singing Young's praises.

Well, many of us who've seen every game he's played, esp this year, have been singing his praises for a long time.

He has been putting up all world numbers all season....

All season. No doubt.

I've always wondered why people saying this:If a player needs to improve an area of their game, then can't they improve more by being coached by the best coaches in the world and playing against the top competition of the NFL? Why would staying in college and playing against inferior competition that doesn't really challenge you to improve(for example Young wouldn't need to improve his passing because he could just run all day long) help more?

nobody was saying USC has the greatest d ever, in fact, most peeps concede USC had no d whatsoever.

I wouldn't say SC had no D whatsoever, but they certainly weren't very good. VY and Texas played far better D's during the season and absolutely shredded them beyond all hope. The best D they played was Ohio St, whom they beat on the road. Texas didn't shred 'em, but...they sold out with their outstanding front 7 to take away the run and Vince beat 'em with his arm, including a beautiful game-winner to Sweed in the corner.He's certainly not ready to start in the NFL, but he's ready to come out and be tutored by McNair and Chow.

 

[B-Deep]

"He has the blessing of God, the pastor and his family," said Yolanda Lezine, Young's godmother and the family media's spokeswoman.

Wow,I guess this proves once and for all that God is not a Longhorns fan...

 

[Urinal Mint]

I still question his ability to learn a full NFL playbook. The playbook at UTexas was pretty simple because of his escapability... which he won't have in the pros.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

I still question his ability to learn a full NFL playbook.  The playbook at UTexas was pretty simple because of his escapability... which he won't have in the pros.

Stock aggy reply.I was waiting for the "Radio" reference.

BTW, you don't think he'll have escapability in the pros? Then I guess nobody has escapability in the pros. LMAO.

 

[John 14:6]

You can never have too many good RB's. A combo of Bush/Davis is a great commodity.

You can have too many when you're drafting them at the expense of drafting linemen, and your O-Line sucks a*s.

You can never have too many good RBs in FANTASY football. I recall conversations the last few years pointing out how the teams with top RBs did in the playoffs, if they even made it. For example, this year the Chiefs and Chargers missed the playoffs despite great RB performances. I think it was just last year (or the year before) where something like the top 5 fantasy RBs all missed the NFL playoffs.

 

[Urinal Mint]

It really has nothing to do with me being an A&M fan. I cheer for UT all but one game of the year.

Any objective fan can't help but notice how bland UT's playbook is. UT doesn't need a deep playbook with Young at QB because he can break any play wide open with his feet. That's why I question his ability to learn a pro playbook. It's something most rookies struggle with, anyway.

I think we've all seen Mike Vick and the Falcons suffer in the pros because he can't get away from pressure the way he could in college.

I still question his ability to learn a full NFL playbook. The playbook at UTexas was pretty simple because of his escapability... which he won't have in the pros.

Stock aggy reply.I was waiting for the "Radio" reference.

BTW, you don't think he'll have escapability in the pros? Then I guess nobody has escapability in the pros. LMAO.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Just to add to previous posts on Vince Young vs Reggie Bush, or in other words the two most likely #1 overall picks potentially going to Houston. Im going to go out on a limb and make a very general comparison between Reggie Bush and, oh, FWP...Fast Willie Parker. Both guys are incredibly FAST players. Both are very much SMALLISH. Both have tremendous moves in the open field. Neither guy will ever be a goalline back. Both can probably take it to the house at any time. One, FWP was an UNDRAFTED FA out of UNC that Pittsburgh, a SMART organization, discovered and as a result doesnt have to pay him $20MILLION in signing bonus and about $9mil/year. Kindof a value. Thats what winning organizations do. Losing organizations tend to spend their money poorly. To this point, Houston is a poor organization, and if they keep David Carr QBing their team, they will continue to be a losing organization. They NEED a QB. Carr gets sacked more than potatoes in Idaho, and its not all just on the Oline.....the guy has absoutely NO...NONE....ZERO....presence. He panics, he cant throw a touch pass to save his life, he has horrible vision, and to this point, has proven NOTHING. Why do people NOT get that? Argue the point, but QBing for 4 years POORLY is all youre getting in my organization. Vince Young, come on down! Now, bash me for the FWP-Bush comparison, but its there, and it seems on point. Neither of those guys, by the way, is a FRANCHISE player. Vince Young IS a franchise player. He's a guy who's actually both BIG AND fast for his position. He's tall enough to see over protection and out into coverage, unlike Michael Vick, and he's big enough to shed would be tacklers and make plays when there is nothing else to be had. The man is a born leader. He's lost TWO games in college, so to say youd base his status on one game is ridiculous. He LED his team to a title AND led the country in passing efficiency IN ADDITION to being clearly the best running QB in the county. Bush didnt lead his team to anything....last I checked it was Leinart that led that team to a title....LAST year, when HE shoud have gone pro and been the #1 overall pick. He would have stayed in Cali and gone to the Niners, instead of Tennessee or New Orleans or whichever other team he DOESNT want to go to. All things happen for a reason. IMO...my HUMBLE opinion, Vince Young, a HOUSTON native born and bred turning pro right after winning Texas' first national title in over 30 years in the very same year Houston has the #1 overall pick is a good thing waiting to happen. Vince Young has given the Texans more than ample REASON....now all the Texans need to do is prove theyre going to move forward and become a WINNING organization.Just as a side note....how is that other FIRST TEAM ALL AMERICAN RB out of the Pac 10 doing in the NFL...whats his name?....JJ ARRINGTON...kindof small, kindof fast, kindof looking good entering the Pros....kindof not looking like much playing against the big boys...in other words, BUST of the year. Free Advice to the Texans: Send Carr to Oakland, keep Dominic Davis, draft on Olinemen from Southern Cal in the 2nd, pick up a BIG playmaking WR in the 3rd.....and GIVE VINCE YOUNG THE MONEY ASAP so you can start turning your team around. Go Pats!

 

[5Rings]

I must restate my comments that I think YOung is a perfect fit for New Orleans and Mike Marts. Young is an African American QB from the South that the people of New Orleans will relate with and embrace.

Just askin, but isn't Aaron Brooks also an African-American QB from the South also?Do the people not relate to or embrace him because he and the team have been performing poorly?

 

[tattoofan]

Well, sad to say but I think the Texans will almost have to take VY now. He was just on a local show here and said he wants to be a Texans and hopes the Texans draft him. Talk about a PR nightmare.