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Your opinion on the job that President Obama is doing so far (1 Viewer)

Your opinion on the job that President Obama is doing so far

  • strongly approve

    Votes: 43 17.8%
  • mildly approve

    Votes: 43 17.8%
  • mildly disapprove

    Votes: 31 12.8%
  • strongly disapprove

    Votes: 121 50.0%
  • neutral/no opinion

    Votes: 4 1.7%

  • Total voters
    242
What would the Republicans have done differently then what Obama has? The healthcare reform act? Perhaps. That's a losing issue for Republican's. So many who even have healthcare having problems affording it due to corporate profit's and doctory pay. Doctor's gonna retire? Ha. Just reduce the cost of education like any decent society would. People in Europe aren't rioting against their healthcare. They are rioting to protect what they have.Thank god I will live to see the day where we have enough brown people to vote lock and stead similarly as all the old white people who vote against their best interest. Don't you know it's coming? It's the sound of inevitability. Yes, move to another country. We don't want you.Can't wait. Twenty years might have some interesting debates.
Yeah can't wait for that twenty year look ahead time... We will be living like a 3rd world country by then, because 100% of every dollar brought in will go towards paying the interest on our debt...Of course you and your brown people will not notice the difference, because that is what they are used to. Glad to see you have such high aspirations for your family... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I know I can hardly wait...How did this obama thread fall all the way to page 6???
BoneYard,I am pretty disturbed by how much you hate GW Bush and the Republican Party, even though you try to hide by not naming them expressly. We all know that the GOP President and Congress added as much debt to the US as all previous Presidents and Congresses combined between 2000 and 2006, but havent we moved past that yet? For you to still harbor such resentment towards them by constantly pointing out how their debt interest payments are crippling our country, people and spirit is the height of partisan hatred. Cant you just forgive them for spending trillions on unfunded wars? Cant you look past the fact that the GOP created the largest unfunded healthcare entitlement program in US history with Medicare Part D and that they refused to let the US government negotiate volume discounts with Big Pharma? Why do you hate Republicans and their corporate sponsors so much? Corporations are people!
 
What would the Republicans have done differently then what Obama has? The healthcare reform act? Perhaps. That's a losing issue for Republican's. So many who even have healthcare having problems affording it due to corporate profit's and doctory pay. Doctor's gonna retire? Ha. Just reduce the cost of education like any decent society would. People in Europe aren't rioting against their healthcare. They are rioting to protect what they have.Thank god I will live to see the day where we have enough brown people to vote lock and stead similarly as all the old white people who vote against their best interest. Don't you know it's coming? It's the sound of inevitability. Yes, move to another country. We don't want you.Can't wait. Twenty years might have some interesting debates.
Yeah can't wait for that twenty year look ahead time... We will be living like a 3rd world country by then, because 100% of every dollar brought in will go towards paying the interest on our debt...Of course you and your brown people will not notice the difference, because that is what they are used to. Glad to see you have such high aspirations for your family... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I know I can hardly wait...How did this obama thread fall all the way to page 6???
BoneYard,I am pretty disturbed by how much you hate GW Bush and the Republican Party, even though you try to hide by not naming them expressly. We all know that the GOP President and Congress added as much debt to the US as all previous Presidents and Congresses combined between 2000 and 2006, but havent we moved past that yet? For you to still harbor such resentment towards them by constantly pointing out how their debt interest payments are crippling our country, people and spirit is the height of partisan hatred. Cant you just forgive them for spending trillions on unfunded wars? Cant you look past the fact that the GOP created the largest unfunded healthcare entitlement program in US history with Medicare Part D and that they refused to let the US government negotiate volume discounts with Big Pharma? Why do you hate Republicans and their corporate sponsors so much? Corporations are people!
Really not possible for liberals to rally against GWB's Medicare Part D after Obama's done nothing at all to change it and designed his health care bill in its image. Most conservatives can accept that Bush sucked. Given the magnitude of that suckage, it's hard to imagine anyone having an easy time matching it, but Obama has basically taken the worst of his policies and built on them. Now go bury your head in the sand about Obama's suckage.
 
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What would the Republicans have done differently then what Obama has? The healthcare reform act? Perhaps. That's a losing issue for Republican's. So many who even have healthcare having problems affording it due to corporate profit's and doctory pay. Doctor's gonna retire? Ha. Just reduce the cost of education like any decent society would. People in Europe aren't rioting against their healthcare. They are rioting to protect what they have.Thank god I will live to see the day where we have enough brown people to vote lock and stead similarly as all the old white people who vote against their best interest. Don't you know it's coming? It's the sound of inevitability. Yes, move to another country. We don't want you.Can't wait. Twenty years might have some interesting debates.
If all of the old white people move to another country, who are you going to tax?
 
obama pulling the country together again... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: He is a great campaigner, too bad he is not a president...

Obama Urges Congress to 'Get on Board' With More Infrastructure SpendingPresident Obama called for Congress to "get on board" with more infrastructure spending and a new round of middle-class tax cuts Monday, as he delivered a campaign-style speech that served as a warm-up to a vital jobs address later this week. Obama effectively dared Republicans to oppose what he described as the "new way forward" for America. He said the upcoming session would reveal whether there are "straight-shooters" in Congress and whether Republicans will put "country before party." "Show us what you got," he said, in a message aimed at GOP lawmakers. "No more manufactured crises, no more games."The unemployment report gave Obama's Republican critics, including those who want to challenge him in next year's presidential election, fresh ammunition to pound him with.Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus on Monday dubbed Obama "president zero" in light of the jobs report. He said the president has spent too much time giving speeches and campaigning.
Life with obama...U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000• Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000• New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000• National debt: $14,271,000,000,000• Recent budget cut: $ 38,500,000,000Now remove some zeros and pretend it's a household budget: Annual family income: $21,700• Money the family spent: $38,200• New debt on the credit card: $16,500• Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710• Total budget cuts: $385Great job you moron...
 
I want to know why it has taken 2.5+ years to realize there is an employment issue and to come up with a 'jobs plan'. What were these clowns doing for 2.5 years? Butt####ing each other?
My guess is that the political climate in washington for the past few years, post stimulus has been unbelievably ANTI-any additional spending proposals. The public and the opposition were firmly united behind a wall of NO more borrowing and deficit spending.It's my guess that Obama will make a case that we need new initiatives to create jobs, and he's willing to take the case to the American people that further borrowing is necessary...and that comes at the conclusion of trying things the other way, trying to find common ground with republicans, trying to work together...now he realizes that they simply won't work with him, so he's going to take his case to the public and see how it goes.Again, just a guess based on things i've read, heard and imagined. Oh, and it's funny that a lot of people saying the kind of thing you're saying now, were the same people who said that the government shouldn't have bailed anyone out. Have cake + eat cake.
The problem is that the stimulus didn't create jobs. It made money for the investing class - that was it. Then people started complaining about the increasing gap between rich and poor. Well, if you do something that benefits investors and doesn't create jobs for the working class, what do you expect?
Yet you likely support tax cuts as a way to stimulate the economy...also decreases in the capital gains tax. You do realize that a big chunk of the stimulus was tax cuts, and that tax cuts largely increase the amount of money the investing class has. Except when that happens due to GOP policy, you hear about how they're the ones who "create jobs" and we need to free up capital for them to use it to start companies or hire more employees. Yet when Obama does it, "It made money for the investing class - that was it."
The tax cuts were not what made money for the investing class though. It was the other parts of the stimulus that did.
 
Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of #####es Out""We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd."President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of #####es out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.
This is okay with obama???
Obama Says He Is "Proud" Of Hoffa After Union Leader's Remarks
 
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Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of #####es Out""We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd."President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of #####es out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.
This is okay with obama???
Obama Says He Is "Proud" Of Hoffa After Union Leader's Remarks
Maybe the DNC Chairwoman will denounce this type of rhetoric.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQD8zBzUBoQGuess not.
 
Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of #####es Out"

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of #####es out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.
This is okay with obama???
Obama Says He Is "Proud" Of Hoffa After Union Leader's Remarks
Maybe the DNC Chairwoman will denounce this type of rhetoric.
I am not outraged. I expect this from thugs. But then again, only liberals get outraged over free speech and only if it is a conservative speaking. I love how this comes right after a comedian making a comment at an event attended by Palin and the libs got outraged over that, yet they are crickets here.
 
I've written for months how much I'm bothered by the populist rhetoric coming out of the Tea Party, and I won't change a word of what I wrote- it's what I firmly believe. Hoffa's remarks are an example of populist rhetoric from the left, and it's every bit as disgusting IMO.

 
I've written for months how much I'm bothered by the populist rhetoric coming out of the Tea Party, and I won't change a word of what I wrote- it's what I firmly believe. Hoffa's remarks are an example of populist rhetoric from the left, and it's every bit as disgusting IMO.
What I find amusing is some people don't exhibit faux rage when they are on the same side of the political spectrum as the person spouting the garbage. What Hoffa said was far, far worse than what that comedian said, but the left won't condemn it, just like the right won't condemn what the comedian said. Both sides acting like children. There is no grownup in Washington.
 
Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of #####es Out"

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of #####es out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.
This is okay with obama???Obama Says He Is "Proud" Of Hoffa After Union Leader's Remarks
Maybe the DNC Chairwoman will denounce this type of rhetoric.
Wasn't that pretty much just one poster, or are you talking about libs outside the FFA?
 
Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of #####es Out"

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of #####es out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.
This is okay with obama???Obama Says He Is "Proud" Of Hoffa After Union Leader's Remarks
Maybe the DNC Chairwoman will denounce this type of rhetoric.
I'm saying it cuts both ways: conservatives only show faux rage at liberal snafus; liberals only at conservative ones. Shows dis ingenuity on both sides.
 
Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of #####es Out"

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of #####es out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.
This is okay with obama???Obama Says He Is "Proud" Of Hoffa After Union Leader's Remarks
Maybe the DNC Chairwoman will denounce this type of rhetoric.
That wasn't my question. You stated that libs were outraged over the comedian's comments. I asked whether you were referring to the thread on the topic here where I only recall one poster expressing anything I would consider even close to outrage.
 
Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of #####es Out"

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of #####es out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.
This is okay with obama???Obama Says He Is "Proud" Of Hoffa After Union Leader's Remarks
Maybe the DNC Chairwoman will denounce this type of rhetoric.
I wasn't trying to be specific to the thread in question. It was more of a general comment.
 
Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Take These Son Of #####es Out"

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of #####es out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.
This is okay with obama???Obama Says He Is "Proud" Of Hoffa After Union Leader's Remarks
Maybe the DNC Chairwoman will denounce this type of rhetoric.
Yeah, this is a general comment that I see made here quite frequently. But I've found that, as a general matter, the conservatives and libs in the FFA aren't really representative of that sentiment.
 
So apparently his big jobs speech tomorrow is going to call for extending the tax breaks for owners of corporate jets?

Obama also is expected to continue for one year a tax break for businesses that allows them to deduct the full value of new equipment. The president and Congress negotiated that provision into law for 2011 last December.
So he was for it, then against it, then for it again. :loco: That, and we've apparently always been at war with Eastasia.

 
James Carville: What should the White House do? Panic!

CNN) -- People often ask me what advice I would give the White House about various things. Today I was mulling over election results from New York and Nevada while thinking about that very question. What should the White House do now? One word came to mind: Panic.

We are far past sending out talking points. Do not attempt to dumb it down. We cannot stand any more explanations. Have you talked to any Democratic senators lately? I have. It's pretty damn clear they are not happy campers.

This is what I would say to President Barack Obama: The time has come to demand a plan of action that requires a complete change from the direction you are headed.

I don't know how else to break this down. Simply put:

1. Fire somebody. No -- fire a lot of people. This may be news to you but this is not going well. For precedent, see Russian Army 64th division at Stalingrad. There were enough deaths at Stalingrad to make the entire tea party collectively orgasm.

Mr. President, your hinge of fate must turn. Bill Clinton fired many people in 1994 and took a lot of heat for it. Reagan fired most of his campaign staff in 1980. Republicans historically fired their own speaker, Newt Gingrich. Bush fired Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. For God's sake, why are we still looking at the same political and economic advisers that got us into this mess? It's not working.

Furthermore, it's not going to work with the same team, the same strategy and the same excuses. I know economic analysts are smart -- some work 17-hour days. It's time to show them the exit. Wake up -- show us you are doing something.

2. Indict people. There are certain people in American finance who haven't been held responsible for utterly ruining the economic fabric of our country. Demand from the attorney general a clear status of the state of investigation concerning these extraordinary injustices imposed upon the American people. I know Attorney General Eric Holder is a close friend of yours, but if his explanations aren't good, fire him too. Demand answers to why no one has been indicted.

Mr. President, people are livid. Tell people that you, too, are angry and sickened by the irresponsible actions on Wall Street that caused so much suffering. Do not accept excuses. Demand action now.

3. Make a case like a Democrat. While we are going along with the Republican austerity garbage, who is making the case against it? It's not the Democrats!

We are allowing the over-educated, over-explanatory bureaucrat by the name of (Congresssional Budget Office director Douglas) Elmendorf do all the talking. Do not let him make your case. Let us make your case. Is it any wonder that we were doing better in the middle of the stimulus-spending period than we are doing with the austerity program?

4. Hold fast to an explanation. Stick to your rationale for what has happened and what is going to happen under your leadership. You must carry this through until the election (never say that things are improving because evidently they are not).

As I watch the Republican debates, I realize that we are on the brink of a crazy person running our nation. I sit in front of the television and shudder at the thought of one of these creationism-loving, global-warming-denying, immigration-bashing, Social-Security-cutting, clean-air-hating, mortality-fascinated, Wall-Street-protecting Republicans running my country.

The course we are on is not working. The hour is late, and the need is great. Fire. Indict. Fight.
 
Money money money.... We NEED money now and we need to funnel it to our people NOW!!!!!!

Whole time in office so far has been a huge Money grab.

"Can't let a serious crisis go to waste"

What a perfect storm these jokers entered to steal all this money.

Quick, get a half billion over to our "solar" buddies so they can shake hands with Biden... ARE YOU ######## KIDDING ME!!!!!

Horrible.

 
Thank god I will live to see the day where we have enough brown people to vote lock and stead similarly as all the old white people who vote against their best interest. Don't you know it's coming? It's the sound of inevitability. Yes, move to another country. We don't want you.
You seem to have a strong grasp on "diversity" and "tolerance". :rolleyes:
 
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job.

This is the way I feel myself.

But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.

 
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job. This is the way I feel myself. But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Links to said polls, or are you just making stuff up again?
 
Obama only cares about policy as far as it helps his re-election? I'm shocked. Shocked.

The 2013 Tax Cliff

Business had better enjoy the next 16 months.

President Obama unveiled part two of his American Jobs Act on Monday, and it turns out to be another permanent increase in taxes to pay for more spending and another temporary tax cut. No surprise there. What might surprise Americans, however, is how the President is setting up the U.S. economy for one of the biggest tax increases in history in 2013.

Mr. Obama said last week that he wants $240 billion in new tax incentives for workers and small business, but the catch is that all of these tax breaks would expire at the end of next year. To pay for all this, White House budget director Jack Lew also proposed $467 billion in new taxes that would begin a mere 16 months from now. The tax list includes limiting deductions for those earning more than $200,000 ($250,000 for couples), limiting tax breaks for oil and gas companies, and a tax increase on carried interest earned by private equity firms. These tax increases would not be temporary.

What this means is that millions of small-business owners had better enjoy the next 16 months, because come January 2013 they are going to get hit with a giant tax bill. Let's call the expensive roll: ...

The White House's economic logic seems to be that its new spending and temporary tax cuts will so fire up investment and hiring in the next 16 months that the economy will be growing much faster in 2013 and could thus absorb a leap off the tax cliff. But this requires its own leap of faith. ...

For the White House, the policy calendar is dictated above all by the political necessities of the 2012 election. Mr. Obama will take his chances on 2013 if he can cajole the private economy to create enough new jobs over the next year to win re-election, even if those jobs and growth are temporary. Business owners and workers who would prefer to prosper beyond Election Day aren't likely to share Mr. Obama's enthusiasm once they see the great tax cliff approaching. Look out below.
 
'StrikeS2k said:
'timschochet said:
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job. This is the way I feel myself. But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Links to said polls, or are you just making stuff up again?
Look it up. Or take my word for it. Your call.
 
'StrikeS2k said:
'timschochet said:
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job. This is the way I feel myself. But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Links to said polls, or are you just making stuff up again?
I'm simply making stuff up again.
:thumbup:
 
'StrikeS2k said:
'timschochet said:
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job. This is the way I feel myself. But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Links to said polls, or are you just making stuff up again?
Look it up. Or take my word for it. Your call.
Poll: Obama disapproval soars to 54 percent in VaBy Bob LewisAP Political Writer / September 15, 2011RICHMOND, Va.—President Barack Obama's disapproval rating has soared to 54 percent in Virginia, a battleground state the Democrat took from the Republicans to win the White House in 2008 and will likely need to carry next year to win re-election, a new poll released Thursday shows. The Quinnipiac University Poll, based on telephone interviews with 1,368 registered voters from Sept. 7-12, found that only 40 percent approved of the president's performance, down from 48 percent in the same survey in June. Six percent were undecided. The survey's margin of sampling error was plus or minus 2.7 percentage points.The results mirror other polls that show a continuing slide in the president's popularity in a slow, troubled economy.In the Virginia survey, a majority -- 51 percent -- said they did not think Obama deserves to be re-elected, compared to 41 percent who would re-elect him. Eight percent didn't know or wouldn't say.Most troubling for Obama is his poor performance among independents, many of whom supported him three years ago. Sixty-three percent of unaligned voters disapproved of the way Obama is handling his duties while only 29 percent approved.Texas Gov. Rick Perry shot to the front of a 10-candidate Republican field among respondents who identified themselves as Republicans or Republican-leaning voters. Twenty-nine percent listed Perry as their top choice, and 19 percent said former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was their favorite. No other candidate was in double digits.When the Republicans were asked if their primary came down to a choice between Perry and Romney, 43 percent chose Perry and 36 percent chose Romney.In hypothetical matchups against Obama put before all of those surveyed, Perry and Romney were in statistical dead heats with the president. In a pairing against Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachman, Obama was favored 48 percent to 37 percent. Against Sarah Palin, who has not declared her candidacy, 50 percent chose Obama to 35 percent for the former Alaska governor and John McCain's 2008 vice presidential running mate.The poll is released as candidates already begin targeting Virginia voters. Obama kicked off his nationwide tour aimed at pressuring Congress to adopt his jobs bill in Richmond on Friday. Perry delivered speeches Wednesday at a convocation at Liberty University in Lynchburg and a sold-out GOP fundraiser in Richmond.
Is this the poll you were talking about? :lmao:
 
'StrikeS2k said:
'timschochet said:
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job. This is the way I feel myself. But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Links to said polls, or are you just making stuff up again?
Look it up. Or take my word for it. Your call.
Nahh. I'm too lazy and I'll never accept it anyhow because it contradicts my extremist agenda. So I'll simply call you a liar, because that's the extent of my intellectual abilities.
:thumbup:
 
Obama only cares about policy as far as it helps his re-election? I'm shocked. Shocked.

The 2013 Tax Cliff

Business had better enjoy the next 16 months.

President Obama unveiled part two of his American Jobs Act on Monday, and it turns out to be another permanent increase in taxes to pay for more spending and another temporary tax cut. No surprise there. What might surprise Americans, however, is how the President is setting up the U.S. economy for one of the biggest tax increases in history in 2013.

Mr. Obama said last week that he wants $240 billion in new tax incentives for workers and small business, but the catch is that all of these tax breaks would expire at the end of next year. To pay for all this, White House budget director Jack Lew also proposed $467 billion in new taxes that would begin a mere 16 months from now. The tax list includes limiting deductions for those earning more than $200,000 ($250,000 for couples), limiting tax breaks for oil and gas companies, and a tax increase on carried interest earned by private equity firms. These tax increases would not be temporary.

What this means is that millions of small-business owners had better enjoy the next 16 months, because come January 2013 they are going to get hit with a giant tax bill. Let's call the expensive roll: ...

The White House's economic logic seems to be that its new spending and temporary tax cuts will so fire up investment and hiring in the next 16 months that the economy will be growing much faster in 2013 and could thus absorb a leap off the tax cliff. But this requires its own leap of faith. ...

For the White House, the policy calendar is dictated above all by the political necessities of the 2012 election. Mr. Obama will take his chances on 2013 if he can cajole the private economy to create enough new jobs over the next year to win re-election, even if those jobs and growth are temporary. Business owners and workers who would prefer to prosper beyond Election Day aren't likely to share Mr. Obama's enthusiasm once they see the great tax cliff approaching. Look out below.
He should do another Census.

 
'StrikeS2k said:
'timschochet said:
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job. This is the way I feel myself. But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Links to said polls, or are you just making stuff up again?
Look it up. Or take my word for it. Your call.
Maybe this one?
Obama sinking in North Carolina, but he hasn't written it offA new poll shows his approval rating has fallen to 43% in a state he won in 2008 by fewer than 14,000 votes. Turning out voters who are young and minorities will be crucial in 2012.Obama at N.C. StateBy Peter Nicholas, Washington BureauSeptember 15, 2011Reporting from Raleigh, N.C.—When Robert Gibbs, then a Barack Obama campaign aide, went to bed on election night in 2008 he knew his boss had won the presidency. But the first thing he did the next morning was check to see if Obama carried a state that was a major focus of the campaign: North Carolina.Obama prevailed, winning by fewer than 14,000 votes to become the first Democrat to carry North Carolina since Jimmy Carter in 1976. Obama's campaign rode several advantages to break through: money, momentum and a compelling message.Now he is an incumbent president saddled with a struggling economy. Unemployment here is 10.1%, a full point higher than the national average. A new poll showed Obama's approval rating in North Carolina at 43%."He won it by 14,000 votes, so any decline in the president's fortunes is going to put North Carolina in jeopardy.… His approval ratings are down in the state to the lowest levels in his tenure, and that will make it quite difficult for him to hold onto the state next year," said Andrew Taylor, a political science professor at North Carolina State University.Obama isn't giving up on North Carolina. If he rebounds here, at the minimum he'll force his Republican opponent to commit resources in a state the GOP has identified as a top target. Republicans see the economy as a major vulnerability for Obama in a state that has lost 142,000 jobs since he took office.Democrats want to show they can preserve their foothold in the Republicans' Southern base. Troubling as it is for Obama to see his approval rating slip, he stacks up well against the competition. A survey this month by Public Policy Polling, a North Carolina-based Democratic polling company, showed him tied in North Carolina with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and leading former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by one point."The truth is, if we're going to win national elections at a presidential level, we know how hard it is to do that if every state from Virginia through Texas and down to Florida is on the other side," said Gibbs, a former White House press secretary.Obama visited North Carolina on Wednesday to tout his $447-billion jobs package. He spoke on the campus of North Carolina State in Raleigh, located in a populous county that turned out big for him in 2008. Though Obama offered a broad sales pitch for the bill, he zeroed in on how North Carolinians would benefit.An average family in North Carolina would get a $1,300 tax break next year if his proposed payroll tax cut is approved, Obama said. (The average family's tax break nationwide would be $1,500, an increase from the $1,000 break enacted last year.) He projected the bill would create 19,000 construction jobs in the state, as money flows in to renovate bridges, roads and schools.He urged the crowd to call members of Congress and get them to stop "worrying so much about their jobs and start worrying more about your jobs."While Obama was there to talk jobs and an "American Jobs Act" banner was on display behind the lectern, the event had the feel of a campaign rally. Crowded into the basketball arena, the university band belted out tunes and cheerleaders stoked the crowd of 9,300.For Obama to win North Carolina again, he must motivate young people to vote. Many still like him. Standing outside a grocery store in Raleigh, Alexis Lake, 27, a social worker, said: "There was a lot of stuff on his plate that he was handed. I've been happy with the progress I've seen thus far."Laughing, she added: "I couldn't do a better job."Obama also needs African Americans, who make up 22% of the state's registered voters, to view the next election as just as important as 2008.It won't be easy. In the big counties that propelled Obama to victory three years ago, turnout plunged in the 2010 midterm elections. Mecklenburg is the state's largest county, and Obama won it with 62% of the vote. In the midterms, Mecklenburg's turnout was only 38%, down from 66% in '08.A decline in turnout is expected when the presidency isn't up for grabs. But even Obama concedes that some of the excitement from 2008 is gone. So North Carolina will test the Obama field operation like few other states. Campaign offices are in place in Charlotte and Raleigh, and aides are signing up people who volunteered three years ago."It's winnable, but it's going to be hard work," said Karen Finney, a Democratic Party strategist. "And it's going to rely on a very solid ground game. High African American turnout will be critical."Examining the state's population trends, researchers have reason to believe Democrats can enlarge their base, particularly among Latino voters.Ferrel Guillory, director of the Program on Public Life at the University of North Carolina, said that in Union County, Latinos make up 10% of the population but only 2% of registered voters. A strong increase in Latino voters might make a difference in a tight contest."There are clearly unregistered Latinos in this state that are more likely to be Democrats these days than Republicans. It's not a big pool, but it could be bigger than it is," Guillory said.peter.nicholas@latimes.com
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-north-carolina-20110915,0,6989368.story
 
'StrikeS2k said:
'timschochet said:
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job. This is the way I feel myself. But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Links to said polls, or are you just making stuff up again?
Look it up. Or take my word for it. Your call.
Hey Tim. Don't fret. I found the poll you must have heard about. You're right. Obama is still VERY popular:
Obama still highly popular in Europe: poll(AFP) – 17 hours ago WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama's ratings have plunged at home but he remains highly popular in Europe, with 75 percent in 12 EU nations approving his handling of global affairs, a poll said Wednesday.He is also much better liked than his predecessor George W. Bush, whose rating in Europe was just 20 percent in 2008, said the Transatlantic Trends poll by the German Marshall Fund.Since 2009, when Obama had a 80-90 percent approval rating in Europe, his popularity has declined 17 points in Spain, 13 points in Slovakia and 12 points in France and Italy.But he still received an 82 percent approval rating for international affairs in Portugal and 81 percent in Germany and the Netherlands, with an average of 75 percent across the 12 EU states surveyed.Obama's success in eliminating Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared to be a factor in his popularity in the EU, with 73 percent backing his efforts to fight international terrorism.In contrast, just 51 percent approved of his handling of conflicts in Libya and Afghanistan.Philip Gordon, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, said the Obama administration was "overall encouraged" by the numbers."It confirms over the three years of the Obama administration consistent and strong support by Europeans for the president's handling of international affairs," Gordon said at an event hosted by the Fund.However, at home, a Washington Post/ABC News poll earlier this month put Obama's disapproval rating at 53 percent, and 77 percent said the country was on the wrong track. Thirty-four percent said Obama's economic policies had done more harm than good.Separately, the German Marshall Fund poll found a plurality of Turks still said they want their country to join the European Union although support is well below 2004 levels, when 73 percent wanted membership.The poll also found a strong majority of Turks -- 62 percent -- had a negative view of the United States, with just 30 percent seen as favorable. The feeling was apparently mutual, with only 42 percent of Americans holding a positive view of Turkey.The poll surveyed around 1,000 people in each of the countries -- the United States, 12 EU members and Turkey -- between May 25 and June 20.
So, he's got that going for him......
 
'StrikeS2k said:
'timschochet said:
The polls continue to separate between the unpopularity of Obama's economic policies, and his personal popularity. Most Americans continue to like Obama, but don't think he's doing such a great job. This is the way I feel myself. But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Links to said polls, or are you just making stuff up again?
Look it up. Or take my word for it. Your call.
Nahh. I'm too lazy and I'll never accept it anyhow because it contradicts my extremist agenda. So I'll simply call you a liar, because that's the extent of my intellectual abilities.
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Tim, If I'm calling you a liar it's only because you are. I've proven you wrong so many times it's laughable. Everyone knows you just listen to some lame *** radio show that says something you think might maybe be true, and then you come here and parrot it as if you actually had an original thought. When asked to support your assertion you pretend as if you actually did the research and mock the people who asked you to support it. It's your MO. So, I've posted several polls that show he's in trouble, contrary to your assertion that he's got a good chance next year. I challenge you to show differently. That's the difference between you and I. I actually support my assertions with evidence. You simply make dumb assertions and refuse to support them, because you can't.
 
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Sigh. I suppose I will educate you. Somebody has to. I wrote that polls showed that Obama was personally popular but that his policies were not. It came from an Associated Press article I read a few days ago:

http://www.suntimes.com/business/7547715-417/obama-unveils-jobs-plan-tells-congress-you-should-pass-it.html:

Obama remains personally popular and a formidable campaigner. But his approval ratings keep tumbling and no incumbent president in recent history has won re-election with the unemployment rate anywhere near the current level, 9.1 percent.

If you want to go argue with somebody about this, argue with Associated Press. But you'd just look even more foolish if you did. No matter what you believe, most people like Obama. They don't think he's doing a good job. But they think he's a good guy. Sorry if this doesn't fit your agenda.

 
Sigh. I suppose I will educate you. Somebody has to. I wrote that polls showed that Obama was personally popular but that his policies were not. It came from an Associated Press article I read a few days ago:

http://www.suntimes.com/business/7547715-417/obama-unveils-jobs-plan-tells-congress-you-should-pass-it.html:

Obama remains personally popular and a formidable campaigner. But his approval ratings keep tumbling and no incumbent president in recent history has won re-election with the unemployment rate anywhere near the current level, 9.1 percent.

If you want to go argue with somebody about this, argue with Associated Press. But you'd just look even more foolish if you did. No matter what you believe, most people like Obama. They don't think he's doing a good job. But they think he's a good guy. Sorry if this doesn't fit your agenda.
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Sigh. I suppose I will educate you. Somebody has to. I wrote that polls showed that Obama was personally popular but that his policies were not. It came from an Associated Press article I read a few days ago:

http://www.suntimes.com/business/7547715-417/obama-unveils-jobs-plan-tells-congress-you-should-pass-it.html:

Obama remains personally popular and a formidable campaigner. But his approval ratings keep tumbling and no incumbent president in recent history has won re-election with the unemployment rate anywhere near the current level, 9.1 percent.

If you want to go argue with somebody about this, argue with Associated Press. But you'd just look even more foolish if you did. No matter what you believe, most people like Obama. They don't think he's doing a good job. But they think he's a good guy. Sorry if this doesn't fit your agenda.
You also wrote:
But it bodes well for his re-election chances, I think. In the end, people vote for the more likable guy.
Pretty much everyone, including Obama, has conceded that the economy will be the main issue of next year's election. Why you'd think that he could win despite a crappy economy is beyond me.
 
Tim, If I'm calling you a liar it's only because you are. I've proven you wrong so many times it's laughable. Everyone knows you just listen to some lame *** radio show that says something you think might maybe be true, and then you come here and parrot it as if you actually had an original thought. When asked to support your assertion you pretend as if you actually did the research and mock the people who asked you to support it. It's your MO. So, I've posted several polls that show he's in trouble, contrary to your assertion that he's got a good chance next year. I challenge you to show differently. That's the difference between you and I. I actually support my assertions with evidence. You simply make dumb assertions and refuse to support them, because you can't.
Yeah whatever. I never wrote he wasn't in trouble. I wrote that he was personally popular, which is true. I believe he has a good chance next year based on two reasons: his personal popularity, and the GOP may nominate a nut like Rick Perry. You're welcome to disagree but I don't really care. You talk about my MO, which is total BS. YOUR MO is to pick out peripheral "flaws" in an argument (which are usually either non-existent or irrelevant) and challenge them, and then use those to diminish the entire argument. That's all you do. You're incapable of a true discussion or debate about issues.
 
Sigh. I suppose I will educate you. Somebody has to. I wrote that polls showed that Obama was personally popular but that his policies were not. It came from an Associated Press article I read a few days ago:

http://www.suntimes....d-pass-it.html:

Obama remains personally popular and a formidable campaigner. But his approval ratings keep tumbling and no incumbent president in recent history has won re-election with the unemployment rate anywhere near the current level, 9.1 percent.

If you want to go argue with somebody about this, argue with Associated Press. But you'd just look even more foolish if you did. No matter what you believe, most people like Obama. They don't think he's doing a good job. But they think he's a good guy. Sorry if this doesn't fit your agenda.
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Link worked for me. Something must be wrong on your side (no surprise there.)
 
Tim, If I'm calling you a liar it's only because you are. I've proven you wrong so many times it's laughable. Everyone knows you just listen to some lame *** radio show that says something you think might maybe be true, and then you come here and parrot it as if you actually had an original thought. When asked to support your assertion you pretend as if you actually did the research and mock the people who asked you to support it. It's your MO. So, I've posted several polls that show he's in trouble, contrary to your assertion that he's got a good chance next year. I challenge you to show differently. That's the difference between you and I. I actually support my assertions with evidence. You simply make dumb assertions and refuse to support them, because you can't.
Yeah whatever. I never wrote he wasn't in trouble. I wrote that he was personally popular, which is true. I believe he has a good chance next year based on two reasons: his personal popularity, and the GOP may nominate a nut like Rick Perry. You're welcome to disagree but I don't really care. You talk about my MO, which is total BS. YOUR MO is to pick out peripheral "flaws" in an argument (which are usually either non-existent or irrelevant) and challenge them, and then use those to diminish the entire argument. That's all you do. You're incapable of a true discussion or debate about issues.
Untrue. The problem with you is that you make unfounded assertions and refuse to back them up. I refuse to argue about something I don't believe is true until it's proven to be true. Is that really that hard to understand? So, I ask you to support your assertion before I get to the "true discussion" part. There needs to be agreement on the facts before a "true discussion" can take place. So what do you do in this case? Post a link to nowhere. Yet I posted multiple links showing that his favorable rating is in the toilet. Why would I have a discussion with you when we don't even agree on the facts? It's be like me saying 2+2=4 and you saying 2+2=5 and wanting to have a discussion about it.
 
Sigh. I suppose I will educate you. Somebody has to. I wrote that polls showed that Obama was personally popular but that his policies were not. It came from an Associated Press article I read a few days ago:

http://www.suntimes....d-pass-it.html:

Obama remains personally popular and a formidable campaigner. But his approval ratings keep tumbling and no incumbent president in recent history has won re-election with the unemployment rate anywhere near the current level, 9.1 percent.

If you want to go argue with somebody about this, argue with Associated Press. But you'd just look even more foolish if you did. No matter what you believe, most people like Obama. They don't think he's doing a good job. But they think he's a good guy. Sorry if this doesn't fit your agenda.
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Link worked for me. Something must be wrong on your side (no surprise there.)
Well, hopefully someone else will click on it and verify who's having the problem.
 
Why you'd think that he could win despite a crappy economy is beyond me.
Of course it is. I'd try to explain it to you, but that would involve using words with more than two syllables. So what would be the point?
Ah yes. Resorting to insults. That's really smart of you. :lmao:
All in fun. And you started it anyhow.
Actually I didn't. If that's what you gotta believe to justify your behavior so be it.
 
Why you'd think that he could win despite a crappy economy is beyond me.
Of course it is. I'd try to explain it to you, but that would involve using words with more than two syllables. So what would be the point?
Ah yes. Resorting to insults. That's really smart of you. :lmao:
All in fun. And you started it anyhow.
Actually I didn't. If that's what you gotta believe to justify your behavior so be it.
You called me a liar. Anyhow, try this link:

http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/business/article/963434--obama-unveils-plan-to-revive-us-economy

 
Look Strike, I really do have to leave, so let's call a truce:

1. I apologize for insulting you. That was mean-spirited, I almost never resort to it, and I'm sorry about that. Hope you will accept my apology in good faith.

2. The article I linked to (two different sources) is an Associated Press article. It does not bode well for Obama, but it DOES say he remains personally popular. I truly believe that this added to the possibility that the GOP may nominate somebody considered too far "out there" (Perry, for example) MAY be enough to overcome the economic problems. That's the only argument I am making. You can agree or disagree as you will. Personally, I will not vote for Obama if the GOP puts up Romney or Huntsman.

 
Why you'd think that he could win despite a crappy economy is beyond me.
Of course it is. I'd try to explain it to you, but that would involve using words with more than two syllables. So what would be the point?
Ah yes. Resorting to insults. That's really smart of you. :lmao:
All in fun. And you started it anyhow.
Actually I didn't. If that's what you gotta believe to justify your behavior so be it.
You called me a liar. Anyhow, try this link:

http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/business/article/963434--obama-unveils-plan-to-revive-us-economy
Because you lied. You said polls showed he was popular and separated his personal popularity from his economic policy popularity. The article you linked to says nothing about polling on his popularity. They make a passing statement that he remains popular but don't support that with poll data, kind of like you. And, in the same sentence, they indicate that his approval ratings are in the toilet just like the links I posted indicated:
Obama remains personally popular and a formidable campaigner. But his approval ratings keep tumbling and no incumbent president in recent history has won re-election with the unemployment rate anywhere near the current level, 9.1 per cent.
So, you're either being purposely disingenuous or misinterpreting an article. Either way, you still haven't posted any support for your assertion that polls separate his personal popularity from his economic policy popularity. This is why I ask you to post links to prove your assertions. Your interpretation of "data" is usually flawed in favor of your personal bias. And this again proves that to be true.
 
Why you'd think that he could win despite a crappy economy is beyond me.
Of course it is. I'd try to explain it to you, but that would involve using words with more than two syllables. So what would be the point?
Ah yes. Resorting to insults. That's really smart of you. :lmao:
All in fun. And you started it anyhow.
Actually I didn't. If that's what you gotta believe to justify your behavior so be it.
You called me a liar. Anyhow, try this link:

http://www.metronews...vive-us-economy
Because you lied. You said polls showed he was popular and separated his personal popularity from his economic policy popularity. The article you linked to says nothing about polling on his popularity. They make a passing statement that he remains popular but don't support that with poll data, kind of like you. And, in the same sentence, they indicate that his approval ratings are in the toilet just like the links I posted indicated:
Obama remains personally popular and a formidable campaigner. But his approval ratings keep tumbling and no incumbent president in recent history has won re-election with the unemployment rate anywhere near the current level, 9.1 per cent.
So, you're either being purposely disingenuous or misinterpreting an article. Either way, you still haven't posted any support for your assertion that polls separate his personal popularity from his economic policy popularity. This is why I ask you to post links to prove your assertions. Your interpretation of "data" is usually flawed in favor of your personal bias. And this again proves that to be true.
Fine. We're not going to get anywhere further with this People reading this will have to decide if your criticism is fair, or if the fact that I used the word "polling" when I was referring to an AP article truly indicates that I was deliberately being disingenous. I think the answer should be obvious, but that's only me. In any case, I am again sorry about the unkind words I used.
 
Fine. We're not going to get anywhere further with this People reading this will have to decide if your criticism is fair, or if the fact that I used the word "polling" when I was referring to an AP article truly indicates that I was deliberately being disingenous. I think the answer should be obvious, but that's only me. In any case, I am again sorry about the unkind words I used.
I'm just going to say this Tim. If you'd posted that article in the first place, when I asked you to, we never would have had this argument. I want to be able to evaluate the same evidence you do before having a discussion on the merits of said evidence. I googled "obama poll" based upon your post and got the articles I posted. As you can see, there was no way for me to verify what you were asserting other than you posting what you were basing your assertion on. If I ever make a factual assertion you'll see me back it up, either to begin with, or upon request. I wish you'd adopt the same policy so we could avoid these misunderstandings in the future and actually discuss the merits of the article in question.
 

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