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Your opinion on the job that President Obama is doing so far (1 Viewer)

Your opinion on the job that President Obama is doing so far

  • strongly approve

    Votes: 43 17.8%
  • mildly approve

    Votes: 43 17.8%
  • mildly disapprove

    Votes: 31 12.8%
  • strongly disapprove

    Votes: 121 50.0%
  • neutral/no opinion

    Votes: 4 1.7%

  • Total voters
    242
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot. You have to do some serious research to come up with something to discredit this president.

I take it in 2008 you voted for the VP candidate who doesn't read newspapers or know that Africa is a continent?

 
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot.
Lochner is an important case that every Con Law professor has taught. That cuts both ways on this, however.On the one hand, it's such a historically important case that Obama should be familiar enough with its details to know that it wasn't a Commerce Clause case. (It was a Substantive Due Process case.)

On the other hand, it's such a historically important case that it's often used as shorthand to refer not only to the specific case of Lochner v. New York, but to refer to the whole "Lochner era" — a time when the Supreme Court made a habit of striking down economic legislation. In that second sense, Obama's remarks are accurate enough.

 
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'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot.
Lochner is an important case that every Con Law professor has taught. That cuts both ways on this, however.On the one hand, it's such a historically important case that Obama should be familiar enough with its details to know that it wasn't a Commerce Clause case. (It was a Substantive Due Process case.)

On the other hand, it's such a historically important case that it's often used as shorthand to refer not only to the specific case of Lochner v. New York, but to refer to the whole "Lochner era" — a time when the Supreme Court made a habit of striking down economic legislation. In that second sense, Obama's remarks are accurate enough.
Big O has muddled the facts on Lochner before

 
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot. You have to do some serious research to come up with something to discredit this president.

I take it in 2008 you voted for the VP candidate who doesn't read newspapers or know that Africa is a continent?
You don't vote for the VP; HTH.
 
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot. You have to do some serious research to come up with something to discredit this president.

I take it in 2008 you voted for the VP candidate who doesn't read newspapers or know that Africa is a continent?
You don't vote for the VP; HTH.
So to you a president recalling a legal case incorrectly (which there's no evidence Obama did, BTW) is worse than a VP who has the intellect of a below average high school student. Got it.
 
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot.
Lochner is an important case that every Con Law professor has taught. That cuts both ways on this, however.On the one hand, it's such a historically important case that Obama should be familiar enough with its details to know that it wasn't a Commerce Clause case. (It was a Substantive Due Process case.)

On the other hand, it's such a historically important case that it's often used as shorthand to refer not only to the specific case of Lochner v. New York, but to refer to the whole "Lochner era" — a time when the Supreme Court made a habit of striking down economic legislation. In that second sense, Obama's remarks are accurate enough.
I thought his lack of knowledge regarding Marbury v. Madison was far more shocking.
 
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot. You have to do some serious research to come up with something to discredit this president.

I take it in 2008 you voted for the VP candidate who doesn't read newspapers or know that Africa is a continent?
You don't vote for the VP; HTH.
So to you a president recalling a legal case incorrectly (which there's no evidence Obama did, BTW) is worse than a VP who has the intellect of a below average high school student. Got it.
Con law is supposed to be his thing though. It's like Palin flubbing a question about the best way to shoot a wolf from a helicopter.
 
Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Did you miss that time when the Democrats had an unbreakable fillibuster proof supermajority?All the Democrats did with it was pass Stimulus and get Scott Brown elected.
It's such BS to always bring up the dems having the majority. There's many different flavors of Dems that vote the way their conscience dictates instead of the party circle jerk of the week. I don't see the same thing happening inside the geriatric vampire meetings of the RNC.ETA: and by conscience I mean polls that show their chances of staying in power.

 
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Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Did you miss that time when the Democrats had an unbreakable fillibuster proof supermajority?All the Democrats did with it was pass Stimulus and get Scott Brown elected.
It's such BS to always bring up the dems having the majority. There's many different flavors of Dems that vote the way their conscience dictates instead of the party circle jerk of the week. I don't see the same thing happening inside the geriatric vampire meetings of the RNC.ETA: and by conscience I mean polls that show their chances of staying in power.
Come on man, anyone that was an adult at that time saw what was going on...and they paid for it royally in 2010
 
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot. You have to do some serious research to come up with something to discredit this president.

I take it in 2008 you voted for the VP candidate who doesn't read newspapers or know that Africa is a continent?
You don't vote for the VP; HTH.
So to you a president recalling a legal case incorrectly (which there's no evidence Obama did, BTW) is worse than a VP who has the intellect of a below average high school student. Got it.
Con law is supposed to be his thing though. It's like Palin flubbing a question about the best way to shoot a wolf from a helicopter.
Fair enough
 
Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Did you miss that time when the Democrats had an unbreakable fillibuster proof supermajority?All the Democrats did with it was pass Stimulus and get Scott Brown elected.
Doesnt change a thing.The VERY MINUTE the conservatives want the War on Drugs to be ended, it will be over with Dem support that very day. Not vice versa.

 
My latest evaluation:Foreign Policy A-
you might not give him this grade if you had read this:http://news.investors.com/article/606670/201204031900/obama-alienates-mexico-and-canada-over-energy-trade-and-weapons.htmmoney quotes:
Obama’s neglect of our nearest neighbors and biggest trade partners has created deteriorating relations, a sign of a president who’s out of touch with reality. Problems are emerging that aren’t being reported. … Energy has become a searing rift between the U.S. and Canada and threatens to leave the U.S. without its top energy supplier. The Winnipeg Free Press reported that Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper warned Obama the U.S. will have to pay market prices for its Canadian oil after Obama’s de facto veto of the Keystone XL pipeline. Canada is preparing to sell its oil to China. Until now, NAFTA had shielded the U.S. from having to pay global prices for Canadian oil. That’s about to change. Canada has also all but gone public about something trade watchers have known for a long time: that the U.S. has blocked Canada’s entry to the eight-way free trade agreement known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, an alliance of the U.S., Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam, Malaysia, Peru, Chile, and Singapore. Both Canada and Mexico want to join and would benefit immensely. U.S. media dutifully reported Obama’s false claim that Canada, our top trading partner, is too protectionist — for whom, we don’t know. Malaysia maybe? — even as it’s good enough for NAFTA, the trillion-dollar trade treaty that is the world’s largest. … Things were even worse, if you read the Mexican press accounts of the meeting. Excelsior of Mexico City reported that President Felipe Calderon bitterly brought up Operation Fast and Furious, a U.S. government operation that permitted Mexican drug cartels to smuggle thousands of weapons into drug-war-torn Mexico. This blunder has wrought mayhem on Mexico and cost thousands of lives. The mainstream U.S. press has kept those questions out of the official press conferences, while Obama has feigned ignorance to the Mexicans and hasn’t even apologized. In short, the summit was a diplomatic disaster for the U.S. and its relations with its neighbors north and south.
 
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot. You have to do some serious research to come up with something to discredit this president.

I take it in 2008 you voted for the VP candidate who doesn't read newspapers or know that Africa is a continent?
You don't vote for the VP; HTH.
So to you a president recalling a legal case incorrectly (which there's no evidence Obama did, BTW) is worse than a VP who has the intellect of a below average high school student. Got it.
he didn't recall it incorrectly, he lied. and yes, he taught constitutional law.
 
'Statorama said:
Really?I see an article written by a reporter who looked up the details of a court case from 1905 and found some inaccuracies with Obama's point after he tried to remember it on the spot. You have to do some serious research to come up with something to discredit this president.

I take it in 2008 you voted for the VP candidate who doesn't read newspapers or know that Africa is a continent?
You don't vote for the VP; HTH.
So to you a president recalling a legal case incorrectly (which there's no evidence Obama did, BTW) is worse than a VP who has the intellect of a below average high school student. Got it.
Con law is supposed to be his thing though. It's like Palin flubbing a question about the best way to shoot a wolf from a helicopter.
Obama doesn't want to govern; he wants to rule. He may know con law but he's only interested in spinning things to benefit his rule.
 
President Obama’s Legal Sophistication in the Classroom

Randy Barnett • April 5, 2012

As a result of the President’s statements on judicial review on Monday and Tuesday, some have wondered how sophisticated a law professor he was. With this in mind, I thought I would repost a comment I contributed to the New York Times blog, The Caucus, which solicited my and other law professors’ reactions to copies it had obtained of then-candidate Obama’s exams, model exam answers, and seminar assignments. My assessment of these materials concurred with David’s post below. Here is what I wrote then:

While the course materials themselves do not tell us very much about Senator Obama, the candidate, what they do tell us about Obama, the teacher, is generally favorable. I was particularly intrigued by his 1994 syllabus on “Racism and the Law.” The materials assigned were balanced, including several readings by Frederick Douglass, who many modern race theorists have come to disparage as insufficiently radical (as Obama would know), along with an exchange between Harvard law professor Randall Kennedy on the one hand and Charles Cooper (who is now on Senator McCain’s advisory committee) and Texas law professor Lino Graglia on the other. All three essays appeared in the conservative/libertarian Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy as part of a 1991 symposium on “The Future of Civil Rights Law” and were initially presented at the Federalist Society’s 1990 National Student Symposium held at Stanford. The articles were published during Obama’s third year as a law student so it is not surprising that he would be aware of them. And they would have been fresh at the time they were assigned.

I was struck by Obama’s list of possible discussion topics for his seminar. They comprehensively and concisely identified most of the issues of “race and the law” that were then being widely discussed. What particularly impressed me was how even handed were his presentations of the competing sides the students might take. These summaries were remarkably free of the sort of cant and polemics that all too often afflicts academic discussions of race. Were this not a seminar on “racism and the law” I doubt one could tell which side of each issue the teacher was on. And indeed, even knowing it was written by Senator Obama, one cannot be sure which side of each issue he really took. Whatever position he held, however, Obama could clearly see and dispassionately articulate the other side.

The exam question and answer keys manifest a keen comprehension of then-prevailing Supreme Court Due Process and Equal Protection Clause doctrine. There is no doubt that his students were taught “the law” (such as it was), not merely the teacher’s viewpoints. His exam questions were nicely designed to ferret out the student’s understanding, but also the cracks and fissures in the Supreme Court’s current approach to the Constitution. What they did not show, however, were any insights on how he thought Supreme Court doctrine could be improved.

Indeed, if one is looking to these material to learn more about Senator Obama’s own views of either “racism and the law” or the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses, one will be disappointed. He either was skillful at concealing his own take on these issues both in these materials and in the classroom (as reported by his former students) or he held no deep commitments on what one would think were matters of central concern to him. While this latter possibility would make him a flexible politician, it is bound to disappoint his most vehement supporters and detractors alike. In the end, while they confirm that the former president of the Harvard Law Review is a smart guy, and an exceptionally fair-minded teacher, they tell us little about his core beliefs on the very sensitive issues covered by these courses. Nor perhaps should we have expected them to.

I can only imagine the reaction of academics and pundits had President Bush said what President Obama had said on Monday. And I take the fact that the President needed to “refine” his position on Tuesday as an implicit admission that his Monday statement was in need of refinement. But whatever accounts for this gaff, it was a marked departure from the legal sophistication he demonstrated as a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s.
 
Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Let go of the blinders man. I'm sure Obama could easily keep the Feds from running shakedowns on the medical marijuana industry if he actually cared about doing so.
Well he could help stymy them, but then he would be working against what the laws of the land are, so that's no kinda answer. We should fix the problem, not apply a looney-tunes band-aid.

And you know it.

Screw your half-measures and non fixing, while just whining, approach.

 
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Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Let go of the blinders man. I'm sure Obama could easily keep the Feds from running shakedowns on the medical marijuana industry if he actually cared about doing so.
Well he could help stymy them, but then he would be working against what the laws of the land are
You mean like he has ordered Eric Holder to do with DOMA? Or the refusal of the DOJ to prosecute the black panthers for voter intimidation?
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ren Ho3k said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ren Ho3k said:
Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Let go of the blinders man. I'm sure Obama could easily keep the Feds from running shakedowns on the medical marijuana industry if he actually cared about doing so.
Well he could help stymy them, but then he would be working against what the laws of the land are, so that's no kinda answer. We should fix the problem, not apply a looney-tunes band-aid.

And you know it.

Screw your half-measures and non fixing, while just whining, approach.
'Well of course he's a coward, it's the law of the land!' Why can't Obama just respect the state laws that medicinal MJ states have written for themselves? What's so hard about that? I'm getting really tired of people rationalizing every tyrannical move this administration makes. He's corrupt and he's a fraud; let it go.I'm honestly not sure what can be done to fix drug laws in this country, outside of voting for a libertarian and signing a petition here and there. If the federal government is just going to trample state's rights then what's the point?

Also, I'll be the first one to admit that I'm a complete armchair quarterback on actually taking action. I just really don't know where to start.

 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ren Ho3k said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ren Ho3k said:
Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Let go of the blinders man. I'm sure Obama could easily keep the Feds from running shakedowns on the medical marijuana industry if he actually cared about doing so.
Well he could help stymy them, but then he would be working against what the laws of the land are, so that's no kinda answer. We should fix the problem, not apply a looney-tunes band-aid.

And you know it.

Screw your half-measures and non fixing, while just whining, approach.
Couldnt he just give it the DOMA treatment? That is law of the land
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ren Ho3k said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ren Ho3k said:
Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Let go of the blinders man. I'm sure Obama could easily keep the Feds from running shakedowns on the medical marijuana industry if he actually cared about doing so.
Well he could help stymy them, but then he would be working against what the laws of the land are, so that's no kinda answer. We should fix the problem, not apply a looney-tunes band-aid.

And you know it.

Screw your half-measures and non fixing, while just whining, approach.
Couldnt he just give it the DOMA treatment? That is law of the land
With Doma he had the backing of all citizens have "equality". He does not have such the ability with the drug laws.

And he did suspend it for a long while, and congress did nothing in that time.

You do understand how politics works? You know its going to be used as a weapon.

And it remains squarely on the conservatives who can change the law the very moment they want to.

Instead of the 300 bills on abortion, they could just put forth 1 in this area - and it'll change.

 
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[QUOTE='BigSteelThrill]
Your tax dollars at work.

Thanks Obama! fubard U.S. policy's and laws.
The War on Drugs ends the very minute conservatives want it to end. And not vice versa. Make no mistake about it.
Let go of the blinders man. I'm sure Obama could easily keep the Feds from running shakedowns on the medical marijuana industry if he actually cared about doing so.
Well he could help stymy them, but then he would be working against what the laws of the land are, so that's no kinda answer. We should fix the problem, not apply a looney-tunes band-aid.

And you know it.

Screw your half-measures and non fixing, while just whining, approach.
Couldnt he just give it the DOMA treatment? That is law of the land
With Doma he had the backing of all citizens have "equality". He does not have such the ability with the drug laws.

And he did suspend it for a long while, and congress did nothing in that time.

You do understand how politics works? You know its going to be used as a weapon.

And it remains squarely on the conservatives who can change the law the very moment they want to.

Instead of the 300 bills on abortion, they could just put forth 1 in this area - and it'll change.

[/QUOTE]Thats nice. But it had nothing to with your argument. Obama could say the feds are no longer actively pursuing marijuana cases. As it says in the DOMA. Your hair splitting is sad. You must be good at twister tho.

Btw could you clarify your statement that clarence Thomas is a trader and should be lynched.

 
Btw could you clarify your statement that clarence Thomas is a trader and should be lynched.
I find his actions to be treasonous to the citizens of America. He chose money over them. His tenure in office should be eliminated, as such an offender "...shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

 
They shouldn't have harbored who they were harboring. That's the price that must be paid.
How many kids would you be willing to see die before they captured Osama? 200? 500? 1k?
All of the Pakistanis to avoid 1 American soldier losing his life... when they are not only harboring those that attacked us, but in some cases assisting them.They have to have better control of their own house, they are causing these problems themselves.

Just as we may be doing, by training terrorists for terrorist activity in Iran. But we are obviously willing to pay whatever eventual price that could come up.

 
They shouldn't have harbored who they were harboring. That's the price that must be paid.
How many kids would you be willing to see die before they captured Osama? 200? 500? 1k?
All of the Pakistanis to avoid 1 American soldier losing his life... when they are not only harboring those that attacked us, but in some cases assisting them.They have to have better control of their own house, they are causing these problems themselves.

Just as we may be doing, by training terrorists for terrorist activity in Iran. But we are obviously willing to pay whatever eventual price that could come up.
I don't know all the details of how Pakistan might've helped him, but I disagree with you that innocent civilians have to die because of it.
 
They shouldn't have harbored who they were harboring. That's the price that must be paid.
How many kids would you be willing to see die before they captured Osama? 200? 500? 1k?
All of the Pakistanis to avoid 1 American soldier losing his life... when they are not only harboring those that attacked us, but in some cases assisting them.They have to have better control of their own house, they are causing these problems themselves.

Just as we may be doing, by training terrorists for terrorist activity in Iran. But we are obviously willing to pay whatever eventual price that could come up.
I don't know all the details of how Pakistan might've helped him, but I disagree with you that innocent civilians have to die because of it.
They dont HAVE to die. But sometimes they do die, because those that harm our citizens WILL be held accountable.
 
What would you do if that was your kid?
Not keep him in a country harboring people who attack America. Not allow him to be used as a shield.And certainly not post something as derpderp as https://fbcdn-sphoto...210515159_n.jpg about it when the facts are for America to defend herself.

 
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What would you do if that was your kid?
Not keep him in a country harboring people who attack America. Not allow him to be used as a shield.And certainly not post something as derpderp as https://fbcdn-sphoto...210515159_n.jpg about it when the facts are for America to defend herself.
obama has caused more American deaths in Afghanistan than bush...Be proud...
That's what happens when you actually fight-the-fight and go after AQ and Osama.
 
What would you do if that was your kid?
Not keep him in a country harboring people who attack America. Not allow him to be used as a shield.And certainly not post something as derpderp as https://fbcdn-sphoto...210515159_n.jpg about it when the facts are for America to defend herself.
obama has caused more American deaths in Afghanistan than bush...Be proud...
That's what happens when you actually fight-the-fight and go after AQ and Osama.
Okay so we now know that civilians in whatever country he attacks are irrelevant as well as American military...You are an amazing individual...

You should have family over there, maybe they could be part of the sacrifice you have no problem with...

 

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