Your top 5 NFL MVP candidates right now (1 Viewer)

[The Future Champs]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

 

[Tau837]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

 

[Deamon]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

I think maybe it's your reading comprehension that is failing. Both Seattle fans who posted said:

"Are you saying that you think a player who was a 3 for half the season and a 7 for half the season is worth less than a player who was a 5 all year?" is insinuating that he thinks a 3/7 (RW) is worth as much as a 5 (Cam). This suggests that RW and Cam are worth the same, not that Wilson is "only top 5"

And the other who listed RW as the clear #2 in MVP race and said that he's the best QB in the league because Brady can't run and struggles with pressure lol.

 

[Deamon]

Everytime I start to like Wilson, a Seattle fan ruins it for me.

 

[The Future Champs]

Everytime I start to like Wilson, a Seattle fan ruins it for me.

Do not, I repeat, Do Not, include ITS in this discussion. He's a troll, and Seattle fans refuse all association with him.

 

[The Future Champs]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

I think maybe it's your reading comprehension that is failing. Both Seattle fans who posted said:"Are you saying that you think a player who was a 3 for half the season and a 7 for half the season is worth less than a player who was a 5 all year?" is insinuating that he thinks a 3/7 (RW) is worth as much as a 5 (Cam). This suggests that RW and Cam are worth the same, not that Wilson is "only top 5"

And the other who listed RW as the clear #2 in MVP race and said that he's the best QB in the league because Brady can't run and struggles with pressure lol.

Pro ninja is the only person who engaged with you on behalf of RW in the 3-5-7 debate. That's 1.

 

[tone1oc]

1. Cam

2. Palmer

3. Brady

4. Watt

5. Wilson

 

[Deamon]

Here's 2:

Cam

Wilson

Palmer
Brady
A. Donald

If there is 1 QB out of these 4 I'd want to have over another it's clearly Russell Wilson. He's the only one that is basically unstoppable. He has played all year with arguably the worst OL and average WR.
Cam hasn't proven he can win a big game and is it times, inaccurate. Brady can't run. Put a consistent pass rush on him and he's average (unlike Wilson). Palmer is a very accurate QB but plays with the best trio of WR's but like Brady has little, to no mobility. Cam deserves the MVP but RW is the best QB in the league.

 

[The Future Champs]

Here's 2:

Cam

Wilson

Palmer

Brady

A. Donald

If there is 1 QB out of these 4 I'd want to have over another it's clearly Russell Wilson. He's the only one that is basically unstoppable. He has played all year with arguably the worst OL and average WR.

Cam hasn't proven he can win a big game and is it times, inaccurate. Brady can't run. Put a consistent pass rush on him and he's average (unlike Wilson). Palmer is a very accurate QB but plays with the best trio of WR's but like Brady has little, to no mobility. Cam deserves the MVP but RW is the best QB in the league.

Honestly, I just don't see the 3-5-7 discussion in this post. I don't agree with the bolded parts of the statement. Cam has shown accuracy and ability to win big games. Hell, he drove the Panthers the length of the field in Seattle to win with almost no time left, iirc. Brady can't run, but I think he'd still get his passes off with even in the face of a consistent pass rush. I do think if he was starting for Seattle he'd end up on his ### every other play, and probably get injured, but that's not a knock on him.

Kai does put Cam #1 on his list, btw.

 

[tone1oc]

I don't think there is any question to who the 5 most valuable players are in relation to where their team would be without them..

For me that list is Cam, Palmer, Brady, Wilson & Watt.

Aaron Donald a great player, but take him away from the Rams and you have a 5-9 instead of a 6-10 team..

 

[Kai's Hero]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

What is it that you want me to "let go?" - I would give my vote to Cam? And, by the way, I'm a Vikings fan. You're welcome.

 

[Kai's Hero]

Cam

Wilson

Palmer

Brady

A. Donald

If there is 1 QB out of these 4 I'd want to have over another it's clearly Russell Wilson. He's the only one that is basically unstoppable. He has played all year with arguably the worst OL and average WR.

Cam hasn't proven he can win a big game and is it times, inaccurate. Brady can't run. Put a consistent pass rush on him and he's average (unlike Wilson). Palmer is a very accurate QB but plays with the best trio of WR's but like Brady has little, to no mobility. Cam deserves the MVP but RW is the best QB in the league.

see above.

Word. Pay attention.

 

[FUBAR]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

I think maybe it's your reading comprehension that is failing. Both Seattle fans who posted said:

"Are you saying that you think a player who was a 3 for half the season and a 7 for half the season is worth less than a player who was a 5 all year?" is insinuating that he thinks a 3/7 (RW) is worth as much as a 5 (Cam). This suggests that RW and Cam are worth the same, not that Wilson is "only top 5"

And the other who listed RW as the clear #2 in MVP race and said that he's the best QB in the league because Brady can't run and struggles with pressure lol.

any post referring to Cam as a 5 for this season can be ignored.

 

[DropKick]

I don't think there is any question to who the 5 most valuable players are in relation to where their team would be without them..

For me that list is Cam, Palmer, Brady, Wilson & Watt.

Aaron Donald a great player, but take him away from the Rams and you have a 5-9 instead of a 6-10 team..

I'll replace Watt with Antonio Brown.

 

[FUBAR]

I don't think there is any question to who the 5 most valuable players are in relation to where their team would be without them..

For me that list is Cam, Palmer, Brady, Wilson & Watt.

Aaron Donald a great player, but take him away from the Rams and you have a 5-9 instead of a 6-10 team..

I'll replace Watt with Antonio Brown.

An argument cam be made for brown for sure. But watt is probably the best player in the league at any position. His position just isn't as glamorous as qb, nor as important (don't tell jj I said that)

 

[proninja]

Anyone not giving a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson is either trolling or asleep.

No chance. He's had a good second half of the season. Cam and Brady are waaaay above him after doing it for the entire year. Wilson isn't even #3 in the race (Palmer). Quit trolling yourself.

To be clear, nobody has done what Wilson has done this year. At his best, he has been better than everybody else, and it isn't particularly close. If you'd like, go ahead and look up the other QB's who have thrown at least three touchdowns every game for five games with no picks in that timeframe.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

The first half of the season he wasn't that. I get it. His team's record isn't so hot. But if "it" is what Russell Wilson is doing right now, no QB this year (or ever) except Wilson is doing "it."

I've got no beef with Cam winning MVP this year. His team is undefeated. He's a former #1 draft pick. But he hasn't been as good as Russell Wilson over the last month or so, and that isn't an insult to Cam at all.

MVP is a season-long award.Give Wilson "Offensive Player of the Month."

Sure. Obviously it is a season long award.Are you saying that you think a player who was a 3 for half the season and a 7 for half the season is worth less than a player who was a 5 all year?

Or are you saying it doesn't matter how good they are for part of the year unless they met some sort of minimum requirement for the whole year?

Yes, a 3 and a 7 is worth less then a 5 all season.And Yes, it doesn't matter how good they are, if they didn't play well for half of a season.

Seattle fans keep getting more annoying by the day. It's like homerism began there.

It's Cam, stop fishing.

Did you not read where I said I had no problem with cam winning? I think it's an interesting discussion regardless of which jerseys the players wear.

You should calm down a bit. Being so uptight can't be good for you.

I'm pretty calm, but thanks. Arguing that RW should be the MVP is ludicrous. He likely doesn't even get a single vote.

I'm not sure where I argued he should be the MVP. Maybe you don't seem calm because you're jumping on me for a point I haven't argued.

I joined in an existing conversation because I thought it was interesting. Now everyone's telling me I've said things that I haven't and I'm being unreasonable. What's the deal?

 

[The Future Champs]

I'm not going to quote all of the above, as it's getting a little lengthy, but let's be clear about one thing: a big component of MVP consideration is how well the team is playing. Pro ninja is simply referencing the obvious when he mentions the undefeated record of the Panthers. And let's be clear: if the Panthers, Patriots, Seahawks, or Cardinals were out of the playoffs, no one would be touting their qbs for MVP. All of those qbs are having great years, but none of them are in GOAT territory.

(Palmer would still be an obvious "comeback POtY" candidate, even on a losing team.)

Also, the V in MVP makes this almost guaranteed to go to a QB, which is a little unfortunate. It'd be nice to also have a year end trophy that recognized individual play, perhaps Most Outstanding Player - M.O.P. (On second thoughts, that acronym sucks.) Anyways, that'd allow for JJ Watt in 2014, or Antonio Brown in 2015, to get proper recognition.

 

[proninja]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

I think maybe it's your reading comprehension that is failing. Both Seattle fans who posted said:

"Are you saying that you think a player who was a 3 for half the season and a 7 for half the season is worth less than a player who was a 5 all year?" is insinuating that he thinks a 3/7 (RW) is worth as much as a 5 (Cam). This suggests that RW and Cam are worth the same, not that Wilson is "only top 5"

And the other who listed RW as the clear #2 in MVP race and said that he's the best QB in the league because Brady can't run and struggles with pressure lol.

I'd like it if people would engage with what I actually said rather than what they assume about what I said.

I have never said RW should be the MVP. I was engaging in a topic and asked a question about relative value of steady performance vs performance where the highs are higher and the lows are lower, because I was actually curious what people had to say. People made assumptions because of where I'm from, and got all pissed off tilting at the windmill they created in their own mind.

 

[Kai's Hero]

Here's 2:

Cam

Wilson

Palmer

Brady

A. Donald

If there is 1 QB out of these 4 I'd want to have over another it's clearly Russell Wilson. He's the only one that is basically unstoppable. He has played all year with arguably the worst OL and average WR.

Cam hasn't proven he can win a big game and is it times, inaccurate. Brady can't run. Put a consistent pass rush on him and he's average (unlike Wilson). Palmer is a very accurate QB but plays with the best trio of WR's but like Brady has little, to no mobility. Cam deserves the MVP but RW is the best QB in the league.

Honestly, I just don't see the 3-5-7 discussion in this post.I don't agree with the bolded parts of the statement. Cam has shown accuracy and ability to win big games. Hell, he drove the Panthers the length of the field in Seattle to win with almost no time left, iirc. Brady can't run, but I think he'd still get his passes off with even in the face of a consistent pass rush. I do think if he was starting for Seattle he'd end up on his ### every other play, and probably get injured, but that's not a knock on him.

Kai does put Cam #1 on his list, btw.

Sorry, but until you win a NFC Championship game you HAVEN'T won a BIG game. The reality is Cam hasn't won a big game and until he does he can't be put in the class of Brady, Ben, Russell or Aaron.

 

[Deamon]

Here's 2:

Cam

Wilson

Palmer

Brady

A. Donald

If there is 1 QB out of these 4 I'd want to have over another it's clearly Russell Wilson. He's the only one that is basically unstoppable. He has played all year with arguably the worst OL and average WR.

Cam hasn't proven he can win a big game and is it times, inaccurate. Brady can't run. Put a consistent pass rush on him and he's average (unlike Wilson). Palmer is a very accurate QB but plays with the best trio of WR's but like Brady has little, to no mobility. Cam deserves the MVP but RW is the best QB in the league.

Honestly, I just don't see the 3-5-7 discussion in this post.I don't agree with the bolded parts of the statement. Cam has shown accuracy and ability to win big games. Hell, he drove the Panthers the length of the field in Seattle to win with almost no time left, iirc. Brady can't run, but I think he'd still get his passes off with even in the face of a consistent pass rush. I do think if he was starting for Seattle he'd end up on his ### every other play, and probably get injured, but that's not a knock on him.

Kai does put Cam #1 on his list, btw.

Sorry, but until you win a NFC Championship game you HAVEN'T won a BIG game. The reality is Cam hasn't won a big game and until he does he can't be put in the class of Brady, Ben, Russell or Aaron.

You're right, Cam isnt in the same class as Colin Kaepernick.

Keep creating criteria that only your QB fits. Seattle fan homerism is hilarious.

 

[Deamon]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

I think maybe it's your reading comprehension that is failing. Both Seattle fans who posted said:

"Are you saying that you think a player who was a 3 for half the season and a 7 for half the season is worth less than a player who was a 5 all year?" is insinuating that he thinks a 3/7 (RW) is worth as much as a 5 (Cam). This suggests that RW and Cam are worth the same, not that Wilson is "only top 5"

And the other who listed RW as the clear #2 in MVP race and said that he's the best QB in the league because Brady can't run and struggles with pressure lol.

I'd like it if people would engage with what I actually said rather than what they assume about what I said.

I have never said RW should be the MVP. I was engaging in a topic and asked a question about relative value of steady performance vs performance where the highs are higher and the lows are lower, because I was actually curious what people had to say. People made assumptions because of where I'm from, and got all pissed off tilting at the windmill they created in their own mind.

If you're posing the question "are you saying that Cam's performance is better then RW's performance?", then yes it is insinuating that you don't believe that. Stop back peddling.

 

[The Future Champs]

Here's 2:

Cam

Wilson

Palmer

Brady

A. Donald

If there is 1 QB out of these 4 I'd want to have over another it's clearly Russell Wilson. He's the only one that is basically unstoppable. He has played all year with arguably the worst OL and average WR.

Cam hasn't proven he can win a big game and is it times, inaccurate. Brady can't run. Put a consistent pass rush on him and he's average (unlike Wilson). Palmer is a very accurate QB but plays with the best trio of WR's but like Brady has little, to no mobility. Cam deserves the MVP but RW is the best QB in the league.

Honestly, I just don't see the 3-5-7 discussion in this post.I don't agree with the bolded parts of the statement. Cam has shown accuracy and ability to win big games. Hell, he drove the Panthers the length of the field in Seattle to win with almost no time left, iirc. Brady can't run, but I think he'd still get his passes off with even in the face of a consistent pass rush. I do think if he was starting for Seattle he'd end up on his ### every other play, and probably get injured, but that's not a knock on him.

Kai does put Cam #1 on his list, btw.

Sorry, but until you win a NFC Championship game you HAVEN'T won a BIG game. The reality is Cam hasn't won a big game and until he does he can't be put in the class of Brady, Ben, Russell or Aaron.

You're right, Cam isnt in the same class as Colin Kaepernick. Keep creating criteria that only your QB fits. Seattle fan homerism is hilarious.

I thought you were a troll, now you've proven it. Kai states quite clearly a few posts above that he's a Vikings fan.

Please ignore the troll.

 

[Deamon]

Here's 2:

Cam

Wilson

Palmer

Brady

A. Donald

If there is 1 QB out of these 4 I'd want to have over another it's clearly Russell Wilson. He's the only one that is basically unstoppable. He has played all year with arguably the worst OL and average WR.

Cam hasn't proven he can win a big game and is it times, inaccurate. Brady can't run. Put a consistent pass rush on him and he's average (unlike Wilson). Palmer is a very accurate QB but plays with the best trio of WR's but like Brady has little, to no mobility. Cam deserves the MVP but RW is the best QB in the league.

Honestly, I just don't see the 3-5-7 discussion in this post.I don't agree with the bolded parts of the statement. Cam has shown accuracy and ability to win big games. Hell, he drove the Panthers the length of the field in Seattle to win with almost no time left, iirc. Brady can't run, but I think he'd still get his passes off with even in the face of a consistent pass rush. I do think if he was starting for Seattle he'd end up on his ### every other play, and probably get injured, but that's not a knock on him.

Kai does put Cam #1 on his list, btw.

Sorry, but until you win a NFC Championship game you HAVEN'T won a BIG game. The reality is Cam hasn't won a big game and until he does he can't be put in the class of Brady, Ben, Russell or Aaron.

You're right, Cam isnt in the same class as Colin Kaepernick. Keep creating criteria that only your QB fits. Seattle fan homerism is hilarious.

I thought you were a troll, now you've proven it. Kai states quite clearly a few posts above that he's a Vikings fan.

Please ignore the troll.

Yet says he's from the pacific northwest, and has a washington picture up.

And click his profile and he lists "Seattle Seahawks" as his favourite NFL team.

Nice try.

 

[Deamon]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

What is it that you want me to "let go?" - I would give my vote to Cam? And, by the way, I'm a Vikings fan. You're welcome.

Might want to change your profile from "Favorite NFL team: Seattle Seahawks" then.

 

[ShamrockPride]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

What is it that you want me to "let go?" - I would give my vote to Cam? And, by the way, I'm a Vikings fan. You're welcome.

Might want to change your profile from "Favorite NFL team: Seattle Seahawks" then.

 

[fred_1_15301]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

What is it that you want me to "let go?" - I would give my vote to Cam? And, by the way, I'm a Vikings fan. You're welcome.

Might want to change your profile from "Favorite NFL team: Seattle Seahawks" then.

Oops

 

[spider321]

1. Cam Newton

2. It

3. does

4. not

5. matter.

 

[proninja]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

I think maybe it's your reading comprehension that is failing. Both Seattle fans who posted said:

"Are you saying that you think a player who was a 3 for half the season and a 7 for half the season is worth less than a player who was a 5 all year?" is insinuating that he thinks a 3/7 (RW) is worth as much as a 5 (Cam). This suggests that RW and Cam are worth the same, not that Wilson is "only top 5"

And the other who listed RW as the clear #2 in MVP race and said that he's the best QB in the league because Brady can't run and struggles with pressure lol.

I'd like it if people would engage with what I actually said rather than what they assume about what I said.

I have never said RW should be the MVP. I was engaging in a topic and asked a question about relative value of steady performance vs performance where the highs are higher and the lows are lower, because I was actually curious what people had to say. People made assumptions because of where I'm from, and got all pissed off tilting at the windmill they created in their own mind.

If you're posing the question "are you saying that Cam's performance is better then RW's performance?", then yes it is insinuating that you don't believe that. Stop back peddling.

Again, please, don't put words into my mouth. Quote me all day. I have never said that RW deserves the MVP. The only player I've mentioned in regards to deserving the MVP is Cam, and I said I would have no problem with him winning it.

I'm done responding to you about this, because you don't listen. You've decided what I think, and no amount of what I say I think will change your mind.

 

[Deamon]

You Seattle guys are nuts.

Wilson is great. He's been especially great the latter half of the season (oddly enough since Lynch and Graham went down). But he's nowhere near Cam for the MVP and still probably behind Palmer and Brady since they've been great all year.

You got a great QB and are poised for a post-season run. Let this one go.

WTF is it with the reading comprehension fails in this forum? I think all the Seattle fans have indicated that they'd either vote for Cam or at least agree that he's a worthy winner. We've been arguing that Wilson deserves to be in the top 5 lists. Yo, Woz, did you even notice the title of the thread?

I think maybe it's your reading comprehension that is failing. Both Seattle fans who posted said:

"Are you saying that you think a player who was a 3 for half the season and a 7 for half the season is worth less than a player who was a 5 all year?" is insinuating that he thinks a 3/7 (RW) is worth as much as a 5 (Cam). This suggests that RW and Cam are worth the same, not that Wilson is "only top 5"

And the other who listed RW as the clear #2 in MVP race and said that he's the best QB in the league because Brady can't run and struggles with pressure lol.

I'd like it if people would engage with what I actually said rather than what they assume about what I said.

I have never said RW should be the MVP. I was engaging in a topic and asked a question about relative value of steady performance vs performance where the highs are higher and the lows are lower, because I was actually curious what people had to say. People made assumptions because of where I'm from, and got all pissed off tilting at the windmill they created in their own mind.

If you're posing the question "are you saying that Cam's performance is better then RW's performance?", then yes it is insinuating that you don't believe that. Stop back peddling.

Again, please, don't put words into my mouth. Quote me all day. I have never said that RW deserves the MVP. The only player I've mentioned in regards to deserving the MVP is Cam, and I said I would have no problem with him winning it.

I'm done responding to you about this, because you don't listen. You've decided what I think, and no amount of what I say I think will change your mind.

You were the one who said the words, not I. You were saying that you think a 3/7 is worth the same as a 5 all year, or you wouldn't have asked it. You Vikings Seahawks fans should just be happy with your qb and not making erroneous claims.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Here's 2:

Cam

Wilson

Palmer

Brady

A. Donald

If there is 1 QB out of these 4 I'd want to have over another it's clearly Russell Wilson. He's the only one that is basically unstoppable. He has played all year with arguably the worst OL and average WR.

Cam hasn't proven he can win a big game and is it times, inaccurate. Brady can't run. Put a consistent pass rush on him and he's average (unlike Wilson). Palmer is a very accurate QB but plays with the best trio of WR's but like Brady has little, to no mobility. Cam deserves the MVP but RW is the best QB in the league.

Honestly, I just don't see the 3-5-7 discussion in this post.I don't agree with the bolded parts of the statement. Cam has shown accuracy and ability to win big games. Hell, he drove the Panthers the length of the field in Seattle to win with almost no time left, iirc. Brady can't run, but I think he'd still get his passes off with even in the face of a consistent pass rush. I do think if he was starting for Seattle he'd end up on his ### every other play, and probably get injured, but that's not a knock on him.

Kai does put Cam #1 on his list, btw.

Sorry, but until you win a NFC Championship game you HAVEN'T won a BIG game. The reality is Cam hasn't won a big game and until he does he can't be put in the class of Brady, Ben, Russell or Aaron.

Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger have never won an NFC championship game, which, according to you, means they haven't won a big game.

 

[thatguy]

1. Cam

2. Wilson

3. A. Brown

4. Gronk

5. Palmer

6. Watt

 

[Run It Up]

Anyone who is arguing that Wilson doesn't deserve to be in the conversation because hes only been hot lately - the same is true for Cam and is for the most part irrelevant if you've been listening at all.

Brady and Palmer have played better than Rus and Cam all year. Despite being against the QBs of the #1 and #2 offenses in the league Cam is the clear mvp at the moment because of the undefeated status.

Even if the Panthers lose out, people aren't going to remember Cam's pedestrian numbers, they are gonna remember the 5 game stretch where he put up 19 TDs.

Pats have been the #1 offense for practically the entire year, and have been bottom 5 in rushing yards per game. Pats have lost more games to injury than any team in the league and are producing in spite of that. In the two games they lost Brady had 7 TDs. At no point this season has Brady tripped. Cam stumbled out the gate.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Not that QBR is a perfect stat, but of the four QBs being discussed:

Palmer 83.5 (1st in the league)

Wilson 75.5 (3rd)

Cam 67.1 (8th)

Brady 64.8 (13th)

Really makes you think that Palmer should be in this discussion more than just him being a distant 3rd behind Brady and Newton.

 

[Run It Up]

Not that QBR is a perfect stat

Its actually just a terrible stat.

The week Rodgers threw for 77 yards he had a QBR of 64.6. That same week Brady completed 68.4% for 356 yds, 4 TDs and no Ints, QBR of 60.7, passer rating of 133.2

 

[ZWK]

Not that QBR is a perfect stat, but of the four QBs being discussed:

Palmer 83.5 (1st in the league)

Wilson 75.5 (3rd)

Cam 67.1 (8th)

Brady 64.8 (13th)

Really makes you think that Palmer should be in this discussion more than just him being a distant 3rd behind Brady and Newton.

It's not just QBR. Palmer is first in QBR, second in passer rating (behind Wilson), first in passing DVOA, first in passing DYAR, first in ANY/A, first in cwEPA, and second in PFF grade (close behind Roethlisberger). And Arizona's offense is first in the NFL in points per drive, first in yards per drive, first in offensive SRS, and third in offensive DVOA (close behind PIT and SEA).

 

[MDSkinner]

I don't think there is any question to who the 5 most valuable players are in relation to where their team would be without them..

For me that list is Cam, Palmer, Brady, Wilson & Watt.

Aaron Donald a great player, but take him away from the Rams and you have a 5-9 instead of a 6-10 team..

I tend to agree with this list.

That said, I am interested in Kai's take on why Donald should be in the top 5. He is a beast, but I don't see him in the MVP race at all. But I am definitely interested in hearing the take. I would love to see more love given to defensive players, but it is tough to see how in this case.

 

[The Future Champs]

Not that QBR is a perfect stat, but of the four QBs being discussed:

Palmer 83.5 (1st in the league)

Wilson 75.5 (3rd)

Cam 67.1 (8th)

Brady 64.8 (13th)

Really makes you think that Palmer should be in this discussion more than just him being a distant 3rd behind Brady and Newton.

It's not just QBR. Palmer is first in QBR, second in passer rating (behind Wilson), first in passing DVOA, first in passing DYAR, first in ANY/A, first in cwEPA, and second in PFF grade (close behind Roethlisberger). And Arizona's offense is first in the NFL in points per drive, first in yards per drive, first in offensive SRS, and third in offensive DVOA (close behind PIT and SEA).

Palmer is having an outstanding year. I have him second, behind Cam. It is relevant to the discussion that Palmer is throwing to Fitz Floyd, and Brown, which might be the best 3 wr group in the league outside of the steelers.

 

[pghrob]

Don't mean to piss in the pool and hijack this otherwise enjoyable thread thread, but since Ben Roethlisberger's abbreviated regular season resume for 2015 appears to disqualify him from this current MVP debate, I would only add that I'd prefer his being awarded the Super Bowl 50 MVP in lieu of the regular season. Here we go!

 

[The Future Champs]

Don't mean to piss in the pool and hijack this otherwise enjoyable thread thread, but since Ben Roethlisberger's abbreviated regular season resume for 2015 appears to disqualify him from this current MVP debate, I would only add that I'd prefer his being awarded the Super Bowl 50 MVP in lieu of the regular season. Here we go!

Roethlisberger is having a great year too. He's far in the lead in the passing yds/game category, and doing well in many other categories. His team is 9-5, has a solid shot at the playoffs, and has some big wins, including Denver, Cin., and Arizona.

On the flip side, the steelers offense is loaded, with arguably the best wr core in the league, and a running attack that's made deangelo a star again. They beat Arizona without Ben, went 2-2, while using 2 different scrubs at qb, which weakens his claim to being MVP.

 

[pghrob]

Don't mean to piss in the pool and hijack this otherwise enjoyable thread thread, but since Ben Roethlisberger's abbreviated regular season resume for 2015 appears to disqualify him from this current MVP debate, I would only add that I'd prefer his being awarded the Super Bowl 50 MVP in lieu of the regular season. Here we go!

Roethlisberger is having a great year too. He's far in the lead in the passing yds/game category, and doing well in many other categories. His team is 9-5, has a solid shot at the playoffs, and has some big wins, including Denver, Cin., and Arizona.On the flip side, the steelers offense is loaded, with arguably the best wr core in the league, and a running attack that's made deangelo a star again. They beat Arizona without Ben, went 2-2, while using 2 different scrubs at qb, which weakens his claim to being MVP.

Thanks for the reply. You raise great points, and I am sure Roethlisberger will not win the MVP. But he's every bit poised to lead his team on a stretch run into the playoffs. He is every bit the pace setter on that prolific offense. As he goes so does that offense. Without him, those others are not as great. Right now the whole of the Steelers offense is greater than the sum of its individual parts. That offense of receiving stars was not the same without him under center. Roethlisberger is playing darn good qb this year and should be able to add more kudos to his HOF projecting career with a deep run this year. I see SB50 MVP for him.

 

[ZWK]

Not that QBR is a perfect stat, but of the four QBs being discussed:

Palmer 83.5 (1st in the league)

Wilson 75.5 (3rd)

Cam 67.1 (8th)

Brady 64.8 (13th)

Really makes you think that Palmer should be in this discussion more than just him being a distant 3rd behind Brady and Newton.

It's not just QBR. Palmer is first in QBR, second in passer rating (behind Wilson), first in passing DVOA, first in passing DYAR, first in ANY/A, first in cwEPA, and second in PFF grade (close behind Roethlisberger). And Arizona's offense is first in the NFL in points per drive, first in yards per drive, first in offensive SRS, and third in offensive DVOA (close behind PIT and SEA).

Palmer is having an outstanding year. I have him second, behind Cam. It is relevant to the discussion that Palmer is throwing to Fitz Floyd, and Brown, which might be the best 3 wr group in the league outside of the steelers.

No one was calling ARI a top 2 receiving corps before the season started. Fitzgerald seemed to be a couple years into his decline, and Floyd & Brown had never done much.

To some extent, the WRs looking good goes hand-in-hand with Palmer looking good. It's hard to tell how much credit to give to the QB vs. his teammates vs. the scheme.

 

[The Future Champs]

Not that QBR is a perfect stat, but of the four QBs being discussed:

Palmer 83.5 (1st in the league)

Wilson 75.5 (3rd)

Cam 67.1 (8th)

Brady 64.8 (13th)

Really makes you think that Palmer should be in this discussion more than just him being a distant 3rd behind Brady and Newton.

It's not just QBR. Palmer is first in QBR, second in passer rating (behind Wilson), first in passing DVOA, first in passing DYAR, first in ANY/A, first in cwEPA, and second in PFF grade (close behind Roethlisberger). And Arizona's offense is first in the NFL in points per drive, first in yards per drive, first in offensive SRS, and third in offensive DVOA (close behind PIT and SEA).

Palmer is having an outstanding year. I have him second, behind Cam. It is relevant to the discussion that Palmer is throwing to Fitz Floyd, and Brown, which might be the best 3 wr group in the league outside of the steelers.

No one was calling ARI a top 2 receiving corps before the season started. Fitzgerald seemed to be a couple years into his decline, and Floyd & Brown had never done much.To some extent, the WRs looking good goes hand-in-hand with Palmer looking good. It's hard to tell how much credit to give to the QB vs. his teammates vs. the scheme.

Obviously Palmer has made them look good - we only need to look at what happened last year after he was injured to know that. But I think you're selling Fitz, Floyd, and Brown a little short. As a purely anectdotal example, I'm in a 10 team Seattle based FF league. All three of those receivers were drafted by the 12th round. In comparison, Tyler Lockett was the only Seattle wr drafted, and that was b/c we give big points for KR/PR yards. Obviously Baldwin has made everyone in the league look like noobs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Don't mean to piss in the pool and hijack this otherwise enjoyable thread thread, but since Ben Roethlisberger's abbreviated regular season resume for 2015 appears to disqualify him from this current MVP debate, I would only add that I'd prefer his being awarded the Super Bowl 50 MVP in lieu of the regular season. Here we go!

Roethlisberger is having a great year too. He's far in the lead in the passing yds/game category, and doing well in many other categories. His team is 9-5, has a solid shot at the playoffs, and has some big wins, including Denver, Cin., and Arizona.On the flip side, the steelers offense is loaded, with arguably the best wr core in the league, and a running attack that's made deangelo a star again. They beat Arizona without Ben, went 2-2, while using 2 different scrubs at qb, which weakens his claim to being MVP.

Thanks for the reply. You raise great points, and I am sure Roethlisberger will not win the MVP. But he's every bit poised to lead his team on a stretch run into the playoffs. He is every bit the pace setter on that prolific offense. As he goes so does that offense. Without him, those others are not as great. Right now the whole of the Steelers offense is greater than the sum of its individual parts. That offense of receiving stars was not the same without him under center. Roethlisberger is playing darn good qb this year and should be able to add more kudos to his HOF projecting career with a deep run this year. I see SB50 MVP for him.

FYI, no one disqualifies Roethlisberger from the MVP race, but he's not in the discussion because he hasn't played at a consistent high level this year, not because he missed a month. Yes, that offense is not the same without him, but he simply hasn't played as well as Brady, Newton, Palmer, Dalton or Wilson as a whole this season.

 

[treat88]

Bens not in the running, but hes as much in the running as Dalton, Palmer, or Wilson are.

Its Cam and Brady by a mile tho.

 

[ZWK]

Not that QBR is a perfect stat, but of the four QBs being discussed:

Palmer 83.5 (1st in the league)

Wilson 75.5 (3rd)

Cam 67.1 (8th)

Brady 64.8 (13th)

Really makes you think that Palmer should be in this discussion more than just him being a distant 3rd behind Brady and Newton.

It's not just QBR. Palmer is first in QBR, second in passer rating (behind Wilson), first in passing DVOA, first in passing DYAR, first in ANY/A, first in cwEPA, and second in PFF grade (close behind Roethlisberger). And Arizona's offense is first in the NFL in points per drive, first in yards per drive, first in offensive SRS, and third in offensive DVOA (close behind PIT and SEA).

Palmer is having an outstanding year. I have him second, behind Cam. It is relevant to the discussion that Palmer is throwing to Fitz Floyd, and Brown, which might be the best 3 wr group in the league outside of the steelers.

No one was calling ARI a top 2 receiving corps before the season started. Fitzgerald seemed to be a couple years into his decline, and Floyd & Brown had never done much.To some extent, the WRs looking good goes hand-in-hand with Palmer looking good. It's hard to tell how much credit to give to the QB vs. his teammates vs. the scheme.

Obviously Palmer has made them look good - we only need to look at what happened last year after he was injured to know that. But I think you're selling Fitz, Floyd, and Brown a little short. As a purely anectdotal example, I'm in a 10 team Seattle based FF league. All three of those receivers were drafted by the 12th round. In comparison, Tyler Lockett was the only Seattle wr drafted, and that was b/c we give big points for KR/PR yards. Obviously Baldwin has made everyone in the league look like noobs.

I agree that Seattle and Carolina's receiving options aren't as good, which is a point in favor of Wilson & Newton. But Roethlisberger and Dalton's weapons have been as good or better, and Brady's have been close to as good (probably a bit worse just because of injuries).

 

[The Future Champs]

Not that QBR is a perfect stat, but of the four QBs being discussed:

Palmer 83.5 (1st in the league)

Wilson 75.5 (3rd)

Cam 67.1 (8th)

Brady 64.8 (13th)

Really makes you think that Palmer should be in this discussion more than just him being a distant 3rd behind Brady and Newton.

It's not just QBR. Palmer is first in QBR, second in passer rating (behind Wilson), first in passing DVOA, first in passing DYAR, first in ANY/A, first in cwEPA, and second in PFF grade (close behind Roethlisberger). And Arizona's offense is first in the NFL in points per drive, first in yards per drive, first in offensive SRS, and third in offensive DVOA (close behind PIT and SEA).

Palmer is having an outstanding year. I have him second, behind Cam. It is relevant to the discussion that Palmer is throwing to Fitz Floyd, and Brown, which might be the best 3 wr group in the league outside of the steelers.

No one was calling ARI a top 2 receiving corps before the season started. Fitzgerald seemed to be a couple years into his decline, and Floyd & Brown had never done much.To some extent, the WRs looking good goes hand-in-hand with Palmer looking good. It's hard to tell how much credit to give to the QB vs. his teammates vs. the scheme.

Obviously Palmer has made them look good - we only need to look at what happened last year after he was injured to know that. But I think you're selling Fitz, Floyd, and Brown a little short. As a purely anectdotal example, I'm in a 10 team Seattle based FF league. All three of those receivers were drafted by the 12th round. In comparison, Tyler Lockett was the only Seattle wr drafted, and that was b/c we give big points for KR/PR yards. Obviously Baldwin has made everyone in the league look like noobs.

I agree that Seattle and Carolina's receiving options aren't as good, which is a point in favor of Wilson & Newton. But Roethlisberger and Dalton's weapons have been as good or better, and Brady's have been close to as good (probably a bit worse just because of injuries).

I think Brady's options are clearly behind the Steelers, Bengals, and Cardinals, now that Edelman is hurt. It's interesting to look at Brady's performance in the 5 games without Edelman, which include tough losses to Denver and the resurgent Eagles. Lol, just kidding, the Eagles suck and Brady sucked in that game. Anyways, Brady has been downright mediocre without Edelman in those five games, which makes it interesting that anyone would claim he's been playing at an elite level all season long.

 

[Pots]

Brady and Cam got beat, Palmer looking great. Will he finally get the respect he deserves?

 

[ShamrockPride]

Brady and Cam got beat, Palmer looking great. Will he finally get the respect he deserves?

No.

 

[Deamon]

Brady and Cam got beat, Palmer looking great. Will he finally get the respect he deserves?

what respect hasn't he gotten? He has always (besides from Seahawk homers), been rightfully #3 in the race.

 

[Pots]

Brady and Cam got beat, Palmer looking great. Will he finally get the respect he deserves?

what respect hasn't he gotten? He has always (besides from Seahawk homers), been rightfully #3 in the race.

He should be higher than that.