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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Yes. 
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If only my wife got this excited about me taking Sunday afternoon to post them . . .YES!!
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
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Lord of Football
Footballguy
Yudkin= The Man 
bocksheesh
Footballguy
Great work as always Mr. Yudkin.
And some interesting rankings at a quick glance.
It appears you're quite bullish on Kevin Jones, somewhat bearish on Brian Westbrook and Cadillac Williams (assuming that's injury related), and surprisingly bearish on DeShaun Foster (injury and DeAngelo Williams related).
But geez. You have Foster 6 spots below Samkon Gado? Man, what did Foster ever do to you? That's just mean, man. Mean.
And some interesting rankings at a quick glance.
It appears you're quite bullish on Kevin Jones, somewhat bearish on Brian Westbrook and Cadillac Williams (assuming that's injury related), and surprisingly bearish on DeShaun Foster (injury and DeAngelo Williams related).
But geez. You have Foster 6 spots below Samkon Gado? Man, what did Foster ever do to you? That's just mean, man. Mean.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Foster has played in 33 games in 4 years--meaning he HASN'T played in 31 games in 4 years. He's had a high of 205 carries in his career (to go along with 59, 113, and 0 in his other years). He was also banged up in college and missed a fair amount of time then as well. He also has only 4 rushing TD in 377 career carries. IMO, Carolina was wise in drafting Williams, as Foster has a tough time staying on the field.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Added to the staff redraft rankings on the front page of the main site (although it's subscriber contrnt).
Islander
Footballguy
Thanks David.
A few more questions:
McGahee 8th: you have the highest ranking of all staff.
Jamal Lewis 29th: lowest of all staff. Does yesterday's game change your opinion a little? It was just 6 carries, but he looked much better than last year.
Gore 23rd: highest of all staff. Why are you less concerned about his injuries than other players that you seem to downgrade due to their injury potential?
Thanks
A few more questions:
McGahee 8th: you have the highest ranking of all staff.
Jamal Lewis 29th: lowest of all staff. Does yesterday's game change your opinion a little? It was just 6 carries, but he looked much better than last year.
Gore 23rd: highest of all staff. Why are you less concerned about his injuries than other players that you seem to downgrade due to their injury potential?
Thanks
bocksheesh
Footballguy
Can't disagree for a second about Foster's proclivity for injury. I guess the question partially becomes what is the nature of those injuries.
I'm not an expert on Foster nor on the differences in injuries, but it's been my impression that Foster's injuries have been more of the flukey variety and less of the dinged up, always hurt variety.
For instance, last season he broke his foot (I think) in a game. That's a relatively flukey injury. It's not the dreaded, recurring groin pull or turf toe.
So a big part of me thinks that Foster finds a way to stay healthy. And the fact that he is finally getting a chance to be the main man in CAR shouldn't hurt any.
But I'll be the first to say that taking Foster is a risk.
I just don't think he gets ranked below a guy in Samkon Gado who might not even be the RB1 in GB, and even if he is, that OLine and offense in general is just going to be atrocious.
But that's the beauty of all these rankings. We can debate them up until the moment we draft. So thanks for the great rankings. Keep 'em coming.
I'm not an expert on Foster nor on the differences in injuries, but it's been my impression that Foster's injuries have been more of the flukey variety and less of the dinged up, always hurt variety.
For instance, last season he broke his foot (I think) in a game. That's a relatively flukey injury. It's not the dreaded, recurring groin pull or turf toe.
So a big part of me thinks that Foster finds a way to stay healthy. And the fact that he is finally getting a chance to be the main man in CAR shouldn't hurt any.
But I'll be the first to say that taking Foster is a risk.
I just don't think he gets ranked below a guy in Samkon Gado who might not even be the RB1 in GB, and even if he is, that OLine and offense in general is just going to be atrocious.
But that's the beauty of all these rankings. We can debate them up until the moment we draft. So thanks for the great rankings. Keep 'em coming.
T-BONE
Footballguy
I can understand your reasons to downgrade Foster.But you have Deangelo ranked pretty low too... So, do you really think that the Panthers running game will be that bad?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
McGahee: Who is going to going to get RB touches if not Willis? IMO, he will get 350 touches again (or close to it). The only thing that kept him out of the Top 10 last year was a low TD total. Read his player spotlight for more details.Lewis: IMO, BAL went out of their way to get someone that was a proven back. What that means exactly, I don't know, but if Lewis were 100% I would think they would have gone with one of the protypical backup free agents (a la Thomas, Wells, Fisher, etc.). I'm sure BAL would love it if Lewis were to return to form, but I think we will see more of Anderson than as a straight backup. But the team didn't call and tell me this, so that's just me reading the tea leaves.Gore: He did very well in his forray as the starter at the end of the year, and let's face it, Barlow has not exactly been the second coming of Barry Sanders. True, Gore has had knee problems (both knees) in the past, and that could be an issue. But unlike Foster, that's been it as far as I know. Foster seems to FIND new injuries every year.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Jordan's a tough one to figure, as he did extremely well but missed the last couple of games. I see Jordan with fewer receptions but the same carries per game (18-20). I suspect that OAK may add in some other backs to keep Jordan fresh, so I think he will get fewer total yards and the team winds up passing a fair amount (even though Shell may want to run more).Lamont is the only one i really disagree with. overall pretty goodthanks for posting them Dave
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Their names consist of letters of the alphabet and not unpronouncable symbols?They pee standing up?None have been arrested for possession of methamphetamine? :whoosh:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
They're all guys you think are ranked too low?
joffer
Footballguy
why do i think this has something to do with David's ranking of Chester Taylor?
H.K.
Footballguy
Correct, they are all ranked behind CT. I mean....wow
Its official now: Yudkin = The anti-H.K.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
And here I thought the repeated sparring with H.K. and MLB in the 87 Taylor threads this offseason would have given it away . . .Correct, they are all ranked behind CT. I mean....wow
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H.K.
Footballguy
I knew you liked his situation, but Top 10?Anyway, good to see that you have the onions to put it out there.PS- wtf is K.K.?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Typo.PS- wtf is K.K.?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm sure there will be other funny looks at my other rankings . . . QB and TE are up and am entereing WR now.
H.K.
Footballguy
Oh, just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed out on a potentially important ally.BTW, assuming its a PPR league, how would it change the rankings for these three guys: Edge, Westbrook and Caddilac? No need to elaborate, but I would be interested to see you put their new ranking next to their names. Hope this is a kosher question based upon pay content...Thanks.Typo.PS- wtf is K.K.?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
David, you ranked McGahee at #8. Last night is another small example where he had 3 carries for 5 yds..most of the RB that will actually make the team rushed for low ypc...granted the Panthers are one of the better defenses but teams will stack the line and shut him down. I see a lot of 12/25, 17/50 with zero TD as the Bills struggle on offense and fall behind in the game...where does he have a chance to hit #8 this season?
Just curious your reasonsing.
Just curious your reasonsing.
s_ezy
Footballguy
i saw the QB and the TE rankings, when were the WR rankings going to be up?thx in advance!
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If someone had 3 carries for 80 yards would that make that player an upcoming stud for the year (actually, it was 3 receptions for 80 yards in the Pats game for their noname RB). if Larry Johnson had 3 carries for 5 yards, would we be saying he is going to bust this year?You and I have been over this already. McGahee is the #1 threat on the Bills with not many other options. He's going to get the ball a ton, and guys that get the ball 350 times have a tough time NOT ranking in the Top 10.Hemay have several games of 22 carries and 55 yards . . . but he should also have some with 130 yards. He may struggle to score, but IMO he should get 8 TD and close to 1500 total yards on the season.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I'd guess Edge and Westie go way up and Caddie remains EXACTLY where he is. Caddie = Rudi Johnson as far as receptions. And Gruden has an excellent pass catching back in Pittman to throw the ball to - don't expect pass catching numbers from Williams.Of that list, Ronnie Brown, DD, and Lamont Jordan go up the chart.Oh, just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed out on a potentially important ally.BTW, assuming its a PPR league, how would it change the rankings for these three guys: Edge, Westbrook and Caddilac? No need to elaborate, but I would be interested to see you put their new ranking next to their names. Hope this is a kosher question based upon pay content...Thanks.Typo.PS- wtf is K.K.?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Entering them now . . . will at least get the Top 50 up in a few minutes.
Great work.I also like Taylor to be a top 10 RB. =)Yes.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
WRs are now up . . . may tweak them tomorrow as I was pressed for time. Note that Deion Branch is not among them. Until he comes to terms with the Pats, I won't rank him especially since he is threatening to hold hold through the first 10 games.
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MLBrandow
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I had this idea to do a short correlation study between teams picking in the top 5 and their Rushing success the previous year.Why? I don't agree with your McGahee (and CT) rankings as being in the top 10. I think (nearly everyone on BUF, many on MIN) that both teams will be picking in the top 5 next year, because they both suck.Anyway, to make a long story short, you know how many of them had RBs that got 350 attempts? Not a damn one of them (I only went back 5 years because it's incredibly tedious, but you're more than welcome to go back further).You know how many posted top-10 RB numbers? Two, and both were named LaDainian Tomlinson.You know how many of those teams ranked even in the top-15 in attempts? Not a damn one of them.In fact, nearly all of them, believe it or not, finished near the bottom in every relevant statistical category for rushing and with their leading RB.One shouldn't find this hard to believe at all, since these teams are picking in the top 5....What I do find hard to believe is that you have two of your RBs ranked in the top-10 who are on garbage football teams, and who very likely will be picking in the top-5 next year.I'm not about to go look it up because I'm sick of looking at stats for today, but I wonder how many top-10 RBs have been on bottom-feeder teams?Also, only a handful of guys a year get 350+ attempts per year (and McGahee very barely cracked that last year).Anyway, I thought it was worth pointing out. May want to adjust your rankings for both guys. History is a pretty good predictor of the future, and for a guy who was routinely pulled in goal-line situations last year and failed to break the 4.0ypc mark (McGahee), to a guy who has never been a feature back and is being asked to do something he's never done before in pounding the rock up the middle (Taylor), I find it very, very hard to believe that either will be top-10 this year.David Yudkin said:
I appreciate the rankings David.. Just a quick question regarding roy williams. I see you have him at #4, and that's very high IMO. You have him ranked over guys like holt and fitz. Just wondering what the reasoning is behind that high of a ranking. You think Martz will have that much of an impact on his numbers? Or do you think Kitna is the answer for the passing game? Just curious...David Yudkin said:
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
??????What is your hypothesis? That both Buff and Minn will pick top-5 in 2007 draft, so they won't have a 350 touch back this year? That is horrendous logic.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I'm wondering the same thing.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Perhaps you should look at the Vikings and Bills teams again. How can you be so sure they will finish in the bottom 5 of the league?I think you really underestimate the talent these teams have on defense.
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MLBrandow
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No, but my point is that you're underestimating the impact that a horrendous team has on its starting RB.Its a correlation, not a cause-effect.It was also meant more to add to, not base an argument. There are a slew of other reasons why neither will sniff the top-10, I just wanted to throw that in there.
I'm pretty sure both McGahee and CT play on offense
. (I get what you're saying)I'm also pretty sure that Jauron, who is installing a new defense, and Tomlin, who is installing a new defense, will not instantly dominate.Talent? Sure. But it is unrealized at best.The T2D (Jauron is installing a hybrid-T2D, and Tomlin of course is installing the reg T2D), require excellentt speed from their LBs as well as heavy penetratioin up front.BUF arguably has the LBs, but has a horrible DL. MIN has the DL, but has horrible LBs.Without the correct personnel, the T2D doesn't "almost work" or "kinda work", it does not work at all.It took Dungy four seasons to get the right personnel in there in IND, and when he did, Indy suddenly had a defense.You'll likely see the same from BUF/MIN, but neither will happen this year, and color me a skeptic, but Jauron's version of the T2D is stupid, and he's going to play the round-peg square-hole game until he's fired.He's never run the T2D, and other than the obviously fluke CHI 2001 year, he's never had a winning team, or a defense rank in the top-20. To say that BUF's D, being completely revamped by a coach who has never schemed a decent defense, is going to keep BUF from the gutter is bad.Tomlin will make it work, but it will take him another offseason or so to get a workable linebacking corps.
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No one saw Fitz/SS ranking 1/2 last year. So it's not like its crazy. Happens all the time.ROY, for the most part, is a great RZ threat, and scores TDs in bunches. With no talent around him, and a horrible QB, in a horrible offense.ROY might not be lazy, but he performs to the level demanded. At Texas in a shaky offense, he put up questionable numbers in his last year. Now with Martz in charge, he's in drastically better shape. I saw comments how he could only run 2 plays in a row, and hopes to be up close to 6 by this point in preseason. So the HC/OC are demanding far more from the team, and ROY has th talent to deliver. Physically, ROY is a top 5 WR. I have no question of that. With a solid QB, solid offense, solid HC, there's no reason ROY can't put up 1,200-1,400 yards, 11-13 TDs. WRs jump into the top 10 all the time. Santana Moss? Galloway? Fitz? SS? Those were all 5th round picks last year. Galloway probably wasn't even a 10th round pick. At least 3 WRs from 11-20 will crack the top 10, and one of them in the top 5. Anyway I like his rankings. I see a bunch of people just taking last years results, and sliding people 2-3-4 spots. Really WRs slide 5-10-15 slots. So I like the ROY pick. Unquestioned #1 WR, improved cast around him, improved coaching, and as much physical talent as any WR in the league, and its his magical 3rd year. *lol*
The Deathstar
Footballguy
MGahee is also in a division with poor run defenses. That coupled with fact that nobody else in Buf gets the rock makes him a solid RB2.David Yudkin said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Buffalo does not have a horrible defensive line. They were missing Fat Pat Willams as a run stuffer last year but thier defensive ends are very good. The Lbers are outstanding with TKO returning from injury last year.Buffalos main weakness is at offensive line and that will hurt McGahee again this year as well as poor Qb play. But your assertation that McGahee wont get a huge workload because of overall team weakness is overblown imho. Thier defense can keep the score close enough for them to run the ball a lot and I see McGahee finishing this season somewhere between what he did in 2004 and 2005. So in other words close to what it sounds like Anarcy is projecting for him as well.The Vikings Lbers have been developing very well. Perhaps your not aware of that. We will see them in action toworow night. The Vikings also have elite talent in the offensive line and a great game managing Qb in Brad Johnson. There is NO WAY the Vikings will finish in the bottom 5 this year. Hell they had one of the dumbest coaches I have ever seen in Mike Tice and still would manage 8-8 or better seasons. Now that they actualy have some coaching the talent of the team is being developed instead of stagnating and underachieving.I strongly dissagree with your assesment of these teams capabilities in 2006.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Me too.I think both will be middle of the road to bottom third, but not in the bottom 10 teams of 2006. Top-flight RBs come from those types of teams all the friggin' time.
Are you talking touches or carries?
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