noZdravko said:I got exactly 12 and that was pushing it.az_prof said:1. McCoy - yes
2. Charles - yes
3. Foster - maybe
4. ADP - yes
5. Forte - yes
6. Murray - yes
7. Lynch - no
8. Martin - yes
9. CJ - definitely no
10. Matthews - maybe
11. Spiller - yes
12. Sankey - yes
13. Lacy - yes
14. Bell - yes
15. Gerhart - no
16. Tate - no
Next question: if you owned Stacy, would you swap him for Tre Mason?
Any rookie running back that is horrible at pass blocking will not see the field a lotduaneok66 said:even if he stinks at pass blocking, that's not really the crux of the argument. If he's a better runner, he will get more carries. Ray Rice is horrible at pass blocking, but he was a FF force for years. The Rams got Robinson (who is a run blocking force) and drafted no WRs. Obviously, we have to wait for the season to start, but Fisher may elect to use the run game as his foundation.msommer said:is he equally or more talented at pass blocking?duaneok66 said:the 65-70% is a big assumption, since several have Mason rated as a better overall talent than Stacy.Zdravko said:Anybody who is hoping to get consistent top-10 RB stats from Stacy should abandon this hope after the Tre Mason pick.
That said, almost every NFL team is headed towards RBBC. If Stacy indeed keeps 65-70% of the touches (and there seems to be no reason to think otherwise, given Mason's subpar receiving skills to-date), then he is borderline RB1. Can someone name 12 RBs they would prefer over him?
My thinking is that eventually, the two will split time in the backfield (almost 50-50).
Someone mentioned in the Ellington thread that he was only asked to pass block 9% of his snaps so that is at least a glimmer of hope.agreed - I am assuming he gets better as the season progresses.
I strongly agree with your broader point on non-elite incoming rookies, but in this case, what exactly did Zac Stacy prove last year? That he could compile in the face of very limited competition for carries, and that's pretty much it IMO. Given enough touches, almost any RB can put up good FF numbers -- and Stacy wasn't impressive IMO outside of volume. He is more vulnerable than a typical established starter -- the FF value was based on massive inefficient volume, and any threat to that volume is potentially a big deal breaker. I'd argue the same for LeVeon Bell -- Blount and Archer don't have to beat him out to kill his value, just put a dent in the volume that he had last year. I'll be avoiding both guys this year unless their ADPs fall quite a bit.I know it is human nature to get excited about rookies, but I'm hoping Mason hurts Stacy's redraft stock as I will bet against a third round rookie every chance I get. I'll be wrong here and there (maybe 1 out of 20?), but it's a generally safe bet. Even the ones that pan out don't tend to do it as rookies (and if they do, it requires an injury or a total lack of incumbent starter). Give me a 5th rounder, or even UDFA, with proven RB1 production (RB8 from weeks 5-17) over a third round rookie every time.
To counterpoint myself, I feel like, with RB being devalued, that the third round is the new second round for RBs, but I still side with proven NFL production over a rookie. Especially when there are concerns about pass blocking. This one seems like a no brainer, but I'll be eagerly awaiting new ADPs to see where Stacy's stock ends up.
I think there is little impact to Stacy in redraft, at least. STL needed to get a better back-up running back, but I am not a fan of them grabbing the best one in the draft (IMO) as an owner. I think a Moreno/Ball type of rushing only split is the best case for Mason year one given his injury and need to get up to speed in the passing game.I know it is human nature to get excited about rookies, but I'm hoping Mason hurts Stacy's redraft stock as I will bet against a third round rookie every chance I get. I'll be wrong here and there (maybe 1 out of 20?), but it's a generally safe bet. Even the ones that pan out don't tend to do it as rookies (and if they do, it requires an injury or a total lack of incumbent starter). Give me a 5th rounder, or even UDFA, with proven RB1 production (RB8 from weeks 5-17) over a third round rookie every time.
To counterpoint myself, I feel like, with RB being devalued, that the third round is the new second round for RBs, but I still side with proven NFL production over a rookie. Especially when there are concerns about pass blocking. This one seems like a no brainer, but I'll be eagerly awaiting new ADPs to see where Stacy's stock ends up.
I really liked the way he ran; showed good vision and ability to pick up yards against strong defensive fronts that stacked the box. Useful catching passes. Tough and played through injuries.I went back to the 2013 RSP to check what Waldman wrote on Stacy. This one was a bit funny to look back on:
"However, he strikes me as a player that a team will say it's happy with but continue to bring in other talented players to compete with Stacy while he has the starting job."
I must admit that I didn't watch a lot of Rams football last season. I will make sure to do so now in the offseason to catch up. For those of you who did; how did Stacy play? From the outside I see the 3.9 yards per carry and this powerful between the tackles type runner who is built like a tank but that isn't particularly agile or elusive and doesn't offer anything special. How good was he last season?
Rams fan here, I didn't watch all of their games, but I watched a pretty good amount. Stacy is a good+ RB. He runs with excellent power and excellent balance. He is actually very agile and can effectively avoid tacklers, just not in the same way that a smaller jitterbug can. He has solid acceleration, but no long speed. Plus vision, too.I went back to the 2013 RSP to check what Waldman wrote on Stacy. This one was a bit funny to look back on:
"However, he strikes me as a player that a team will say it's happy with but continue to bring in other talented players to compete with Stacy while he has the starting job."
I must admit that I didn't watch a lot of Rams football last season. I will make sure to do so now in the offseason to catch up. For those of you who did; how did Stacy play? From the outside I see the 3.9 yards per carry and this powerful between the tackles type runner who is built like a tank but that isn't particularly agile or elusive and doesn't offer anything special. How good was he last season?
never heard this..duaneok66 said:even if he stinks at pass blocking, that's not really the crux of the argument. If he's a better runner, he will get more carries. Ray Rice is horrible at pass blocking, but he was a FF force for years. The Rams got Robinson (who is a run blocking force) and drafted no WRs. Obviously, we have to wait for the season to start, but Fisher may elect to use the run game as his foundation.msommer said:is he equally or more talented at pass blocking?duaneok66 said:the 65-70% is a big assumption, since several have Mason rated as a better overall talent than Stacy.Zdravko said:Anybody who is hoping to get consistent top-10 RB stats from Stacy should abandon this hope after the Tre Mason pick.
That said, almost every NFL team is headed towards RBBC. If Stacy indeed keeps 65-70% of the touches (and there seems to be no reason to think otherwise, given Mason's subpar receiving skills to-date), then he is borderline RB1. Can someone name 12 RBs they would prefer over him?
My thinking is that eventually, the two will split time in the backfield (almost 50-50).
This is a pretty solid line of reasoning.I strongly agree with your broader point on non-elite incoming rookies, but in this case, what exactly did Zac Stacy prove last year? That he could compile in the face of very limited competition for carries, and that's pretty much it IMO. Given enough touches, almost any RB can put up good FF numbers -- and Stacy wasn't impressive IMO outside of volume. He is more vulnerable than a typical established starter -- the FF value was based on massive inefficient volume, and any threat to that volume is potentially a big deal breaker. I'd argue the same for LeVeon Bell -- Blount and Archer don't have to beat him out to kill his value, just put a dent in the volume that he had last year. I'll be avoiding both guys this year unless their ADPs fall quite a bit.I know it is human nature to get excited about rookies, but I'm hoping Mason hurts Stacy's redraft stock as I will bet against a third round rookie every chance I get. I'll be wrong here and there (maybe 1 out of 20?), but it's a generally safe bet. Even the ones that pan out don't tend to do it as rookies (and if they do, it requires an injury or a total lack of incumbent starter). Give me a 5th rounder, or even UDFA, with proven RB1 production (RB8 from weeks 5-17) over a third round rookie every time.
To counterpoint myself, I feel like, with RB being devalued, that the third round is the new second round for RBs, but I still side with proven NFL production over a rookie. Especially when there are concerns about pass blocking. This one seems like a no brainer, but I'll be eagerly awaiting new ADPs to see where Stacy's stock ends up.
Well, he did better than Bell but on a much worse offense so I like him better than Bell. His week 17 really crushed his metrics... 15 carries for 15 yards. He was at 4.1 ypc before that, which is very similar to Lacy, Gore, Bernard, Lynch... all guys on better offenses.I strongly agree with your broader point on non-elite incoming rookies, but in this case, what exactly did Zac Stacy prove last year? That he could compile in the face of very limited competition for carries, and that's pretty much it IMO. Given enough touches, almost any RB can put up good FF numbers -- and Stacy wasn't impressive IMO outside of volume. He is more vulnerable than a typical established starter -- the FF value was based on massive inefficient volume, and any threat to that volume is potentially a big deal breaker. I'd argue the same for LeVeon Bell -- Blount and Archer don't have to beat him out to kill his value, just put a dent in the volume that he had last year. I'll be avoiding both guys this year unless their ADPs fall quite a bit.I know it is human nature to get excited about rookies, but I'm hoping Mason hurts Stacy's redraft stock as I will bet against a third round rookie every chance I get. I'll be wrong here and there (maybe 1 out of 20?), but it's a generally safe bet. Even the ones that pan out don't tend to do it as rookies (and if they do, it requires an injury or a total lack of incumbent starter). Give me a 5th rounder, or even UDFA, with proven RB1 production (RB8 from weeks 5-17) over a third round rookie every time.
To counterpoint myself, I feel like, with RB being devalued, that the third round is the new second round for RBs, but I still side with proven NFL production over a rookie. Especially when there are concerns about pass blocking. This one seems like a no brainer, but I'll be eagerly awaiting new ADPs to see where Stacy's stock ends up.
But you can't really remove games from the statistics and measure an adjusted number up against the seasonal averages of other RBs. If you remove Stacy's best game, which shockingly enough was against Chicago, his average would be 3.7 yards per carry for the season, but I don't think that has much value in the discussion. There are hardly any running backs that have consistent yards per carry numbers from week to week. Even Jamaal Charles had a game with 20 yards on 8 carries. It is the nature of the position. Stacy had a couple really bad weeks statistically, in week 14 and 17, where he had 1.8 and 1.0 yards per carry, but I don't think that information has any value in itself. Although I see people do that in running back discussions all the time. Same thing with Doug Martin. If you remove his best game in his rookie season his numbers are not all that. No, but he did have that game though so why pretend like it didn't happen.Well, he did better than Bell but on a much worse offense so I like him better than Bell. His week 17 really crushed his metrics... 15 carries for 15 yards. He was at 4.1 ypc before that, which is very similar to Lacy, Gore, Bernard, Lynch... all guys on better offenses.
So yeah, I agree that he's got "stat compiler" written all over last year's numbers, but when taking into account he was playing for the worst offense in his division, which is a defensive division, the worst I'll say about it is "inconclusive". I don't think Bradford is good, but I also don't think he's bad. I think their WRs were bad last year as was their backup QB. It is amazing that Stacy was able to score as well as he did. I mean, look at SJax. He struggled to score on that bad offense for years. The last time they had a RB score 7 rushing TDs was 2008. So in 2014, he'll have an improved offensive line, improved QB, and better WRs. If he gets a similar workload, he could improve upon his RB8 ranking.
Stacy strikes me as a reliable RB who is good, not great in all facets of the game which Fisher is probably ok with. Tre Mason is not nearly as versatile and was the 5th RB taken. Obviously, neither of those things mean he won't be successful, but together they should cause concern for him and optimism for Stacy. Even if he learns how to block, he could just bust as a runner. It's not like he's noticeably bigger or faster than Stacy.
Many of the mocks and pre-draft noise had Mason as the top or near top back. Assuming the Rams had a similar grade on him, he could very well have been BPA.But you can't really remove games from the statistics and measure an adjusted number up against the seasonal averages of other RBs. If you remove Stacy's best game, which shockingly enough was against Chicago, his average would be 3.7 yards per carry for the season, but I don't think that has much value in the discussion. There are hardly any running backs that have consistent yards per carry numbers from week to week. Even Jamaal Charles had a game with 20 yards on 8 carries. It is the nature of the position. Stacy had a couple really bad weeks statistically, in week 14 and 17, where he had 1.8 and 1.0 yards per carry, but I don't think that information has any value in itself. Although I see people do that in running back discussions all the time. Same thing with Doug Martin. If you remove his best game in his rookie season his numbers are not all that. No, but he did have that game though so why pretend like it didn't happen.Well, he did better than Bell but on a much worse offense so I like him better than Bell. His week 17 really crushed his metrics... 15 carries for 15 yards. He was at 4.1 ypc before that, which is very similar to Lacy, Gore, Bernard, Lynch... all guys on better offenses.
So yeah, I agree that he's got "stat compiler" written all over last year's numbers, but when taking into account he was playing for the worst offense in his division, which is a defensive division, the worst I'll say about it is "inconclusive". I don't think Bradford is good, but I also don't think he's bad. I think their WRs were bad last year as was their backup QB. It is amazing that Stacy was able to score as well as he did. I mean, look at SJax. He struggled to score on that bad offense for years. The last time they had a RB score 7 rushing TDs was 2008. So in 2014, he'll have an improved offensive line, improved QB, and better WRs. If he gets a similar workload, he could improve upon his RB8 ranking.
Stacy strikes me as a reliable RB who is good, not great in all facets of the game which Fisher is probably ok with. Tre Mason is not nearly as versatile and was the 5th RB taken. Obviously, neither of those things mean he won't be successful, but together they should cause concern for him and optimism for Stacy. Even if he learns how to block, he could just bust as a runner. It's not like he's noticeably bigger or faster than Stacy.
I guess what bugs me with them drafting Tre Mason is that they picked him rather early. He went 75th overall and was the 5th running back off the board. If it was only a depth move and they were perfectly happy with Stacy, why go RB that early? They must either have had a high grade on him, which is threatening to Stacy in itself, or they had a priority on getting stronger at that position - which is also a bit worrying if you're a Stacy owner. Like others touch upon, I don't expect Mason to come in and become the starter, and I'm not going to be targeting Mason highly in rookie drafts, but it's starting to look like a situation that is best to avoid. And if the premise in Stacy's market value before the draft was that he was a true workhorse back that was certain to get a ton of carries in a run heavy offense, then there is certainly a bit more uncertainty there now and I can't value Stacy as highly now as I did before the draft. I'm sure he'll still be a valuable piece on my roster but he has been ranked for dynasty in the RB #7 to #12 area on many sites and if I can still get that kind of value for him in a trade now I'm jumping on it and reducing my risk.
And is that good or bad for Stacy?Many of the mocks and pre-draft noise had Mason as the top or near top back. Assuming the Rams had a similar grade on him, he could very well have been BPA.
Personally, I'm leery of week 17 stats whether they are good or bad, so I kind of mentally removed it anyway. If I'm removing stats, I actually prefer to remove the best and worst, but with him sitting out the first 4 games, there really wasn't much to look at anyway. It does work for players like Doug Martin, though. His sample size is enough that if you remove the obvious outlier and his worst game, you've got a pretty good idea who you are going to see (very average RB with a heavy workload). I actually feel like Martin and Stacy have similar outlooks for 2014.But you can't really remove games from the statistics and measure an adjusted number up against the seasonal averages of other RBs. If you remove Stacy's best game, which shockingly enough was against Chicago, his average would be 3.7 yards per carry for the season, but I don't think that has much value in the discussion. There are hardly any running backs that have consistent yards per carry numbers from week to week. Even Jamaal Charles had a game with 20 yards on 8 carries. It is the nature of the position. Stacy had a couple really bad weeks statistically, in week 14 and 17, where he had 1.8 and 1.0 yards per carry, but I don't think that information has any value in itself. Although I see people do that in running back discussions all the time. Same thing with Doug Martin. If you remove his best game in his rookie season his numbers are not all that. No, but he did have that game though so why pretend like it didn't happen.Well, he did better than Bell but on a much worse offense so I like him better than Bell. His week 17 really crushed his metrics... 15 carries for 15 yards. He was at 4.1 ypc before that, which is very similar to Lacy, Gore, Bernard, Lynch... all guys on better offenses.
So yeah, I agree that he's got "stat compiler" written all over last year's numbers, but when taking into account he was playing for the worst offense in his division, which is a defensive division, the worst I'll say about it is "inconclusive". I don't think Bradford is good, but I also don't think he's bad. I think their WRs were bad last year as was their backup QB. It is amazing that Stacy was able to score as well as he did. I mean, look at SJax. He struggled to score on that bad offense for years. The last time they had a RB score 7 rushing TDs was 2008. So in 2014, he'll have an improved offensive line, improved QB, and better WRs. If he gets a similar workload, he could improve upon his RB8 ranking.
Stacy strikes me as a reliable RB who is good, not great in all facets of the game which Fisher is probably ok with. Tre Mason is not nearly as versatile and was the 5th RB taken. Obviously, neither of those things mean he won't be successful, but together they should cause concern for him and optimism for Stacy. Even if he learns how to block, he could just bust as a runner. It's not like he's noticeably bigger or faster than Stacy.
I guess what bugs me with them drafting Tre Mason is that they picked him rather early. He went 75th overall and was the 5th running back off the board. If it was only a depth move and they were perfectly happy with Stacy, why go RB that early? They must either have had a high grade on him, which is threatening to Stacy in itself, or they had a priority on getting stronger at that position - which is also a bit worrying if you're a Stacy owner. Like others touch upon, I don't expect Mason to come in and become the starter, and I'm not going to be targeting Mason highly in rookie drafts, but it's starting to look like a situation that is best to avoid. And if the premise in Stacy's market value before the draft was that he was a true workhorse back that was certain to get a ton of carries in a run heavy offense, then there is certainly a bit more uncertainty there now and I can't value Stacy as highly now as I did before the draft. I'm sure he'll still be a valuable piece on my roster but he has been ranked for dynasty in the RB #7 to #12 area on many sites and if I can still get that kind of value for him in a trade now I'm jumping on it and reducing my risk.
If only it was that simple2 minutes of Stacy highlights:
I remember watching the run at 1:10 live and thinking to myself, "I am so glad I grabbed this guy rather than Pead/Richardson. He's going to be a workhorse RB for my squad for the next few years". I've not seen anything to change my mind.2 minutes of Stacy highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oplKg5Brh_M
2 minutes of Tre highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMXqqN1KiT8
Which one do you prefer?
Cuts both ways really. I don't get the impression they grabbed Mason because they needed to compliment Stacy but rather they had the luxury of taking a high potential RB.And is that good or bad for Stacy?Many of the mocks and pre-draft noise had Mason as the top or near top back. Assuming the Rams had a similar grade on him, he could very well have been BPA.
you are comparing running against NFL caliber defenses to college defenses?I remember watching the run at 1:10 live and thinking to myself, "I am so glad I grabbed this guy rather than Pead/Richardson. He's going to be a workhorse RB for my squad for the next few years". I've not seen anything to change my mind.2 minutes of Stacy highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oplKg5Brh_M
2 minutes of Tre highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMXqqN1KiT8
Which one do you prefer?
Mason looks good, but frankly he's barely touched in any of those vids-the first run he breaks an arm tackle but that's it.. Stacy trucks multiple NFL defenders in almost every one of those highlights.
Eye test wise, its not close. But that's just me.
I think Zdravko is more than unckeyherb. Tre's highlights are 2 minutes of 10 yard wide holes in the line and him falling at first contact, Zac's is two minutes of hard running up the middle. Hardly comparable videos. Tre obviously has more speed.you are comparing running against NFL caliber defenses to college defenses?I remember watching the run at 1:10 live and thinking to myself, "I am so glad I grabbed this guy rather than Pead/Richardson. He's going to be a workhorse RB for my squad for the next few years". I've not seen anything to change my mind.2 minutes of Stacy highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oplKg5Brh_M
2 minutes of Tre highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMXqqN1KiT8
Which one do you prefer?
Mason looks good, but frankly he's barely touched in any of those vids-the first run he breaks an arm tackle but that's it.. Stacy trucks multiple NFL defenders in almost every one of those highlights.
Eye test wise, its not close. But that's just me.
That was my impression, too. Maybe Mason has better highlights somewhere, but in these ones he is barely touched, while Stacy obliterates NFL tacklers time and time again. Remains to be seen if Mason can do the same.I remember watching the run at 1:10 live and thinking to myself, "I am so glad I grabbed this guy rather than Pead/Richardson. He's going to be a workhorse RB for my squad for the next few years". I've not seen anything to change my mind.2 minutes of Stacy highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oplKg5Brh_M
2 minutes of Tre highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMXqqN1KiT8
Which one do you prefer?
Mason looks good, but frankly he's barely touched in any of those vids-the first run he breaks an arm tackle but that's it.. Stacy trucks multiple NFL defenders in almost every one of those highlights.
Eye test wise, its not close. But that's just me.
Not sure your point. I am saying that against better defensive personnel, Stacy looks like the better player. Against weak defenses and thru enormous holes, mason looks fast, but not much else. He fails to break any arm tackles in that video and he has a full head of steam before he's touched.BustedKnuckles said:2 minutes of Stacy highlights:
I wasnt sure who you were pimping...so many people on Mason`s jock i just assumed this was another pro mason / stacy blows post....im on board with Stacy being the back to own...until proven otherwise2 minutes of Stacy highlights:
They're different runners. I really can't say one is better than the other based on this. What I see from Tre is a guy who is very elusive, has above average burst through the hole, great vision, and above average top end speed. What I see from Stacy is guy who is strong, is above average at breaking tackles, and will grind out yards. To me they complement each other and this reinforces my suspicion that STL will be a RBBC. I expect Stacy to start but I expect his total number of touches to go down. And that's smart because the way he runs he won't last long in this league if he doesn't learn how to avoid hard hits better or if his touches aren't controlled.2 minutes of Stacy highlights:
Yeah, I like watching RBs run untouched for 10-15 yard through gaping holes as much as the next guy, but it doesn't tell me much about their ability. Watching Stacy shed tackles and initiate contact does inspire confidence in his continued reign as StL's primary 3-down (and goal line) RB.I remember watching the run at 1:10 live and thinking to myself, "I am so glad I grabbed this guy rather than Pead/Richardson. He's going to be a workhorse RB for my squad for the next few years". I've not seen anything to change my mind.2 minutes of Stacy highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oplKg5Brh_M
2 minutes of Tre highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMXqqN1KiT8
Which one do you prefer?
Mason looks good, but frankly he's barely touched in any of those vids-the first run he breaks an arm tackle but that's it.. Stacy trucks multiple NFL defenders in almost every one of those highlights.
Eye test wise, its not close. But that's just me.
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Both did well in 2013, but thanks mostly to volume. Neither were very good on a per-play basis. Stacy now has to deal with Tre Mason...
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...while Bell has underrated LeGarrette Blount (stud in '13) and speedy COP rook Dri Archer in the mix
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So that's why I went Graham/Dez over one of those 2 guys in Athlon. Would prefer both as a RB2, not a 1.
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Why I hold out hope. Also, was good after initial contact RT @MattRivNCSU: In fairness to Stacy... Were teams at all worried about STL pass?
stacy. and it's not even close.2 minutes of Stacy highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oplKg5Brh_M
2 minutes of Tre highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMXqqN1KiT8
Which one do you prefer?
Mike seems like an idiotFaust said:@MikeClayNFL
Both did well in 2013, but thanks mostly to volume. Neither were very good on a per-play basis. Stacy now has to deal with Tre Mason...@MikeClayNFL
...while Bell has underrated LeGarrette Blount (stud in '13) and speedy COP rook Dri Archer in the mix@MikeClayNFL
So that's why I went Graham/Dez over one of those 2 guys in Athlon. Would prefer both as a RB2, not a 1.@MikeClayNFL
Why I hold out hope. Also, was good after initial contact RT @MattRivNCSU: In fairness to Stacy... Were teams at all worried about STL pass?
Mike seems like an idiotFaust said:@MikeClayNFL
Both did well in 2013, but thanks mostly to volume. Neither were very good on a per-play basis. Stacy now has to deal with Tre Mason...@MikeClayNFL
...while Bell has underrated LeGarrette Blount (stud in '13) and speedy COP rook Dri Archer in the mix@MikeClayNFL
So that's why I went Graham/Dez over one of those 2 guys in Athlon. Would prefer both as a RB2, not a 1.@MikeClayNFL
Why I hold out hope. Also, was good after initial contact RT @MattRivNCSU: In fairness to Stacy... Were teams at all worried about STL pass?
did you read some of his other predictions ? Oooohhhh hes a self proclaimed fantasy expertMike seems like an idiotFaust said:@MikeClayNFL
Both did well in 2013, but thanks mostly to volume. Neither were very good on a per-play basis. Stacy now has to deal with Tre Mason...@MikeClayNFL
...while Bell has underrated LeGarrette Blount (stud in '13) and speedy COP rook Dri Archer in the mix@MikeClayNFL
So that's why I went Graham/Dez over one of those 2 guys in Athlon. Would prefer both as a RB2, not a 1.@MikeClayNFL
Why I hold out hope. Also, was good after initial contact RT @MattRivNCSU: In fairness to Stacy... Were teams at all worried about STL pass?So how many leagues do you own Stacy in? When the guy in question is a pure volume compiler, any threat to said volume is a pretty big deal.
No, actually the vast majority of everyone knew that Pead and Richardson sucked. It's why Stacy was such a trendy pick.last year richardson and/or pead was the apple of everyone's eye. now it's mason. same song and dance.
Mason is definitely a better talent than Pead and Richardson. Stacy drops 2-3 ppg to me.last year richardson and/or pead was the apple of everyone's eye. now it's mason. same song and dance.
Stacy was anything but trendy last year. We heard over and over again about how useless 5th rounders are.No, actually the vast majority of everyone knew that Pead and Richardson sucked. It's why Stacy was such a trendy pick.last year richardson and/or pead was the apple of everyone's eye. now it's mason. same song and dance.
His ADP was much higher than typical for a guy with his draft position / position on the depth chart.Stacy was anything but trendy last year. We heard over and over again about how useless 5th rounders are.No, actually the vast majority of everyone knew that Pead and Richardson sucked. It's why Stacy was such a trendy pick.last year richardson and/or pead was the apple of everyone's eye. now it's mason. same song and dance.
He is the opposite of trendy after the draft. Curious to see how far his value falls....Stacy was anything but trendy last year. We heard over and over again about how useless 5th rounders are.No, actually the vast majority of everyone knew that Pead and Richardson sucked. It's why Stacy was such a trendy pick.last year richardson and/or pead was the apple of everyone's eye. now it's mason. same song and dance.
this is a sample of the opinion on stacy last year.This is why I like to make my trades before I have a chance to use them sometimes. This guy was picked in the 5th round in what was considered a weak draft class and he's flying up boards. A turd with an opportunity is still a turd.
I recall it differently. Richardson was the go to with Pead being the "shark" pick. Hell, I remember two threads on this site claiming Benny Cunningham was the guy to grab over Stacy in week four. Stacy was the antithesis of trendy pick. Until he had a few games under his belt.No, actually the vast majority of everyone knew that Pead and Richardson sucked. It's why Stacy was such a trendy pick.last year richardson and/or pead was the apple of everyone's eye. now it's mason. same song and dance.
last year this time richardson was considered a beast by many while pead had the draft pedigree and stacy was a lousy 5th rounder who was over-drafted. people who drafted him were mocked mostly. you can add those 2-3 ppg back since stacy will be fresher during the season having slightly less carries.Mason is definitely a better talent than Pead and Richardson. Stacy drops 2-3 ppg to me.last year richardson and/or pead was the apple of everyone's eye. now it's mason. same song and dance.
Which was never true. I drafted him in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Not until it was pretty clear he would compete for a job did his adp rise to the point you are talking about. I'm pretty sure you already know this as you were one of the people pretty vocal in those threads.This thread was started in reaction to him going mid / late 1st consistently in dynasty drafts.
He went high 2nd or earlier in every league I'm in, most of which draft in May. And it was still a very low percentage pick. Every once in a while you hit your two-outer on the river, but that doesn't mean that it's a good bet to make. Hope you sold Stacy high this offseason.Which was never true. I drafted him in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Not until it was pretty clear he would compete for a job did his adp rise to the point you are talking about. I'm pretty sure you already know this as you were one of the people pretty vocal in those threads.This thread was started in reaction to him going mid / late 1st consistently in dynasty drafts.
Wrong guy man. I love Stacy for coming through for me when I needed him and for giving me a cheap RB 2 year while my leaguemates were drafting backups like Michael and Lattimore. He was running in my top-10 early projections. I adjust to the facts. Mason isn't Pead/Richardson, he isn't Stacy either..It's back to the 5th round pick nonsense for a few months. He hasn't Russell Wilson/Nick Foles the late round pick stigma yet. We're still being mocked for drafting him.last year this time richardson was considered a beast by many while pead had the draft pedigree and stacy was a lousy 5th rounder who was over-drafted. people who drafted him were mocked mostly. you can add those 2-3 ppg back since stacy will be fresher during the season having slightly less carries.Mason is definitely a better talent than Pead and Richardson. Stacy drops 2-3 ppg to me.last year richardson and/or pead was the apple of everyone's eye. now it's mason. same song and dance.![]()
Secret Superstars 2014: RamsMatt Claassen | May 29, 2014
The St Louis Rams finished with seven wins for the fourth straight season in 2013 and couldn’t get out of the bottom spot in the tough NFC West. Among last season’s challenges was replacing long-time Ram Steven Jackson, who voided the final year of his contract and departed for Atlanta last offseason. Jackson’s departure left the biggest hole at running back since the pre-Marshall Faulk era, circa 1998.
Their attempt to replace Jackson started out unsuccessful, but a few games into the season they found their man, rookie Zac Stacy. The Rams’ fifth-round pick in 2013, Stacy came into the league after setting numerous Vanderbilt records, including single season and career rushing yardage records. He entered training camp as one of a few possibilities to take over for Jackson but his professional career started off rough.
[SIZE=medium]Getting Started[/SIZE]
Stacy had some minor injuries in the preseason that caused him to miss some time. When he was on the field, his production amounted to 68 yards on 23 carries and a long run of 7 yards over three preseason games. Running behind a second-string offensive line may not have helped, but he did little to help himself by averaging an unspectacular 1.6 yards after contact in the preseason. Stacy did not look strong on pass plays either. He dropped two of his six pass targets and allowed three pressures on 17 pass blocks. Albeit on a small sample size, his overall grade of -3.6 in the preseason ranked 110th out of 120 running backs.
Stacy failed to make a case for playing time and fell behind starter Daryl Richardson and undrafted rookie Benny Cunningham heading into the regular season. Low on the depth chart, Stacy played eight snaps in Week 1. He was handed a single carry for 4 yards and was beaten for one hurry on three pass blocks. The coaching staff kept him inactive for the next two games in favor of second-year player Isaiah Pead, and Stacy played just one snap in Week 4.
[SIZE=medium]Receiving an Opportunity[/SIZE]
With the other three backs proving ineffective and Richardson putting forth a dreadful performance in Week 4, Stacy was given the opportunity to start in Week 5 and did not disappoint, gaining 78 yards while splitting time with Richardson. Stacy had just scratched the surface, though. He continued to receive the majority of touches and earned +5.7 rush and +7.3 overall grades over his first five starts. In Week’s 8 and 9 against the Seahawks and Titans, respectively, he picked up a combined 307 rushing/receiving yards on 60 touches, two touchdowns, and forced 13 missed tackles.
[SIZE=medium]Second Half Roller Coaster[/SIZE]
Week 10 marked his third straight game with 26-plus rush attempts, but he performed poorly compared to the preceding games. He gained just 62 yards, was unable to force a missed tackle, and dropped a pass en route to his lowest-graded game of the season (-2.6 overall). In the next game against the Bears, he began to bounce back but a concussion ended his day early at 12 attempts for 87 yards and a touchdown.
The final five games of the season were up-and-down and for the most part, nowhere near his early season production. He averaged less than two yards per carry against the Cardinals before posting a 133 rushing yard performance against the Saints, in which he gained 110 yards after contact. His resurgence was short-lived and he earned a -1.8 rush grade in consecutive weeks to end the season. Stacy didn’t fare as well against the Seahawks the second time around with just 15 rushing yards on as many carries.
Even though Stacy’s season ended on a down note, he was easily the most productive back on the team. He exceeded expectations as a late-round rookie and showed he was capable of shouldering the entire workload. Stacy finished the season just shy of 1,000 yards in roughly 12 games and had the eighth-most yards after contact. Although his consistency left something to be desired (he forced 21 of his 29 missed tackles in a four game stretch), he clearly showed the ability to perform at a high level.
[SIZE=medium]The Future[/SIZE]
The Rams cut Richardson two weeks ago and Stacy enters the 2014 season atop the running back depth chart. He will likely receive the bulk of the playing time once again, but third-round draft pick Tre Mason should also figure into the equation. Stacy’s playing time shouldn’t be affected too much because of their difference in running style. If the Rams indeed utilize Mason as a change-of-pace back, Mason’s playing time will probably come at the expense of Pead and Cunningham instead of Stacy. Regardless, Stacy will be an important part of the Rams’ success on offense.