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LOL! I just saw the promo about it not showing On Demand with Clay Davis. That was great!! I have to travel to Atlanta next Sunday. The Hotel I'm had better have HBO or I will be pissed off!!Episode 10 will not be on demand. We will have to watch it at the same time as everyone else.As someone with On Demand, I propose that those of us who watch the final episode early refrain from any posting in this thread about the series finale until the episode runs on March 9. This is the final episode of, what I consider to be, the best TV drama ever, and I believe this thread deserves a proper send off. The conversation will be far better if we can all agree to wait. What do you say, ON Demanders? Out of respect for The Wire and this thread, is this something we can agree upon? I know it will be hard, but I think it will be worth it.Red Apples said:Yeah. It's kind of killed the thread for me since I don't have on demand and I'm paranoid of seeing a some sort of spoiler.
Dookie had a decision to make in a matter of a couple hours...what did you expect him to do? Michael wouldn't let him stay with him and he had no other home. Smart or not, the opportunities that presented themselves where quite limited. Besides Micheal and Bug, this was all Dookie knew in the entire world. That's the tragedy. That's the parallel between Dookie and Bubbles. One walks out of that place, the next "smart" kid walks in.
i called DTV and they said HBO is not part of their on demand service at this time. do you have DTV?i did find a site that had the first 2 episodes. agree with one of the above posters, best TV drama show everYou said "I have DTV and HBO is not part of on demand". I said HBO is part of on demand.Where are you "searching" for the wire? When I tune to the HBO on demand channel, I see all of the episodes from this season (none from past seasons), the 2 stories with Omar, Bunk/McNulty, and Prop Joe, and The Wire Odyssey (history/interviews about the show).i have on demand. when i search for the wire, the only thing that comes up is the show for tomorrow night and next Sunday, no past showsNot if you don't have on demand
good pointguess I was just upset to see the tragedy
Prez probably could have helped him out.Man that scene with Mike and Bug was rough. I hope Bunk doesnt go down with McNuttty for using his resources to speed up the lab work on Partlow. Of course its Kima that blows the whistle after the whole department rallied around her after the shooting in season 1 or 2.
Cutty was another feelgood story but they really dropped him this year. Too bad he was one of my favs.
You look good, girl.
There is a reason Dookie mentioned Michael buying him an ice cream after they got beat on following the pee balloon incident.
What's the reason?
They did the pee balloon thing because the terrace boys jumped Dookie. That was probably the first time anyone had been nice to him in a long time and it was probably the first time he felt part of a group that was not "homeless/living on the street." Michael including him in the ice cream purchase was one part of the circle, and now he was getting spit out the other side of it - back where he started. Alone and homeless on the streetPocket Joker said:
My brother just spent six months living there (on a work assignment for National Grid Power Co.), he said that the crime/drug epidemic in West Baltimore is VERY real.
So McNulty is going to fall on his sword? McNulty? The police and the newsroom are going to have essentially the same choice. Do the right thing and catch hell, or sweep the lies under the rug. And there will be plenty of valid reasons to sweep the lies under the rug. Carcetti has had multiple speeches this season emphasizing just this point. That nobody can "make a difference" when they're bounced out of their jobs. So we get intstitutional officers who perhaps started with the intention of making a positive difference caught up in the inertia of suffocating political institutions. That's the message of The Wire in a nutshell.McNulty is going to be asked to go away quietly. So will Gus. It's the ending that makes the most sense in regards to Simon's vision. In The Wire, only personal redemption is possible. The institutions will just get more and more screwed up.
This is how I see things playing out as well. McNulty's and Templeton's lies will not be exposed; they will be addressed internally, and both McNulty and Gus will be ushered out because of their unwillingness to go with the flow.I'm most curious to see what goes down with Marlo. Will his lawyer figure out the flaws of the investigation and get him out? If he gets out will he get popped?
That invalidates all the time being spent on the work of the two GOOD journalists (the hispanic chick and the black guy doing a story on Bubbles).Those who go outside the normal procedures looking for short cuts to solving problems get booted. Templeton is looking for short cuts, and the bosses won;t like it when it comes to light. They are both gone or only Templeton is - not just Gus.Finally, why would Gus be gone for doing his job? For doing what he is SUPPOSED to do (which is teach the young journalists how to create proper news stories). Makes no sense at all.That said, McNulty is a goner.
I bet Marlo realizes the leak is at the lawyers office - not sure what results, but that is what I believe will happen.
The higher-ups at the Sun don't seem interested at all in the same kind of "good journalism" that Gus believes in. Even if they don't suspect Templeton of anything, they seem to have no problem whatsoever with his endless anonymous sources and self-glorifying writing style. If Gus throws another tirade on par with the one he threw when pushed after refusing to run Templeton's homeless-rally story, I could EASILY see him being let go or dropped down the ladder.That invalidates all the time being spent on the work of the two GOOD journalists (the hispanic chick and the black guy doing a story on Bubbles).Those who go outside the normal procedures looking for short cuts to solving problems get booted. Templeton is looking for short cuts, and the bosses won;t like it when it comes to light. They are both gone or only Templeton is - not just Gus.Finally, why would Gus be gone for doing his job? For doing what he is SUPPOSED to do (which is teach the young journalists how to create proper news stories). Makes no sense at all.That said, McNulty is a goner.
Better yet, will he get popped even if he stays in? Im sure Avon and Weebay would be happy to welcome him into Jessup.
That is called "misdirection." You are supposed to, right now, believe the upper management folks will automatically side with the golden white boy over the black guy making trouble. Gus could blow the LID off the paper if they asked him to step aside. And the paper's rep would be ruined - that Templeton lied is now provable in evidence.Templeton is fired. Gus keeps his job.The higher-ups at the Sun don't seem interested at all in the same kind of "good journalism" that Gus believes in. Even if they don't suspect Templeton of anything, they seem to have no problem whatsoever with his endless anonymous sources and self-glorifying writing style. If Gus throws another tirade on par with the one he threw when pushed after refusing to run Templeton's homeless-rally story, I could EASILY see him being let go or dropped down the ladder.
Really real. Being a Balti-moron simultaneously enhances and detracts from my enjoyment of the show. Knowing the real-life people behind the characters ads a layer of richness to the show and also enhances my understanding of local politics and society. On the other hand, I'm always looking at locations and thinking, "Hey, McNulty's kid is playing soccer at my daughter's school," which snaps me into reality and away from the show.Many, many, many of the dealers and the cops are based on real people, just like the people who "Diner" was based on still go around Baltimore trying to keep their moment of fame from a 25-year-old movie alive.Most of all, I love watching Carcetti, who = Martin O'Malley, former City Council member, then Mayor, now Governor of MarylandAlso Clay Davis = Larry Young
But there are 100s of other examples.
Dukie was already part of the group. He also wasn't homeless at the time (his home life was just a mess). He brought up the incident as a reminder to Michael of a much simpler time. The fact that Michael couldn't (or wouldn't) remember reinforced to Dukie that they were in totally different worlds now.
I don't get why you tend to be so condescending about this stuff, especially when you don't have it quite as figured out as you seem to think.The work of the "good" police, "good" teachers, even "good" drug dealers is invalidated all the time. Just look at how many times the work of the major crimes unit was compromised based on the bureacratic decisions of the higher ups-- the whole reason Freamon went along with Jimmy's crazy plan this year was because he had been screwed so many times working inside the system. The institutions spit you out when you work against their goals, not based on whether you are "good" or not.Simon, using his experience at the Sun, has set this story up to show that the paper no longer cares about telling the whole story. Rather, they are most interested in documenting their impact and win Pulitzers. Gus is bucking this system, while Scott is plagiarizing to try to stay within it. Scott may still go down, but not for the reasons you stated.On your last point, why was Lester demoted to the pawnshop unit for doing good police work. then? The idea of Gus getting forced out, even if it doesn't happen, makes perfect sense in the context of the show.That invalidates all the time being spent on the work of the two GOOD journalists (the hispanic chick and the black guy doing a story on Bubbles).Those who go outside the normal procedures looking for short cuts to solving problems get booted. Templeton is looking for short cuts, and the bosses won;t like it when it comes to light. They are both gone or only Templeton is - not just Gus.Finally, why would Gus be gone for doing his job? For doing what he is SUPPOSED to do (which is teach the young journalists how to create proper news stories). Makes no sense at all.That said, McNulty is a goner.
The_Man did a good job explaining, the show is spot on.The parts where the drug traffic takes place are in areas that I will not go to. Not only are the characters based on real life figures, but the storylines are to.
Dookie was always part of that group. Why would they get back at the terrace boys if they didn't already know Dookie?The reason they included that story was to show the emotional difference between Michael and Dookie. Dookie is trying to hang on to the past. Michael knows that it serves no purpose. It was a perfect mirror for Bubbles recognizing that he was only hurting himself by hanging onto the grief he had over Sharrod's death.Dookie represents Bubbles at the begginning of his journey. And Michael represents Bubbles at the end of his journey.I am with you on Dookie, but not on Michael really. The scene was showing that Michael has done so much dirt and gotten himself in so deep that he has truly lost his innocence and that that 8th grade boy we met last season who seemed likely to be the only one to avoid the streets, has in fact succumb to the streets and by doing so has lost all his friends and family.Dookie was always part of that group. Why would they get back at the terrace boys if they didn't already know Dookie?The reason they included that story was to show the emotional difference between Michael and Dookie. Dookie is trying to hang on to the past. Michael knows that it serves no purpose. It was a perfect mirror for Bubbles recognizing that he was only hurting himself by hanging onto the grief he had over Sharrod's death.Dookie represents Bubbles at the begginning of his journey. And Michael represents Bubbles at the end of his journey.
Sounds kind of like Bubbles. Bubbles' innocence (hanging onto the people he lost) is gone and so is his family (who didn't show for his one year anniversary of sobriety). He's reclaimed his real name, Reginald, and is ready to move on.Michael has in much the same way cut loose the people from his past and is moving on.I am with you on Dookie, but not on Michael really. The scene was showing that Michael has done so much dirt and gotten himself in so deep that he has truly lost his innocence and that that 8th grade boy we met last season who seemed likely to be the only one to avoid the streets, has in fact succumb to the streets and by doing so has lost all his friends and family.Dookie was always part of that group. Why would they get back at the terrace boys if they didn't already know Dookie?The reason they included that story was to show the emotional difference between Michael and Dookie. Dookie is trying to hang on to the past. Michael knows that it serves no purpose. It was a perfect mirror for Bubbles recognizing that he was only hurting himself by hanging onto the grief he had over Sharrod's death.Dookie represents Bubbles at the begginning of his journey. And Michael represents Bubbles at the end of his journey.
Who is Peterson? I tried looking for him on this page but couldn't find him.One thing I did notice was that Randy and Cheese both have Wagstaff as their last name. Did we know of any relation?
Sorry, I meant Templeton. I think. The one who's making things up at the Sun.
I think Simon turning his lenses on the Media this season, has created many of the sour reviews that the show is getting. I for one have enjoyed this season very much. My only complaint is that they didn’t have more time to develop the news room story. But even with limited episodes, they somehow managed to get me emotionally invested in (at least) two of the new characters (Gus and Templeton). I care about what happens to them, even though we hardly know them yet. That is grade “A” work by the writers.
and actors. the guy who plays Gus is awesome. I still am amazed how easy it was to become involved with the kids from season 4. Those guys were introduced and fit right in.
i know this was mentioned earlier in this thread but clark johnson who plays gus was on homicide. hes great on there too. his partner was munch (belzer) who he walked past in that bar scene earlier this year. belzer was playing the same character but johnson was obviously not. very cool scene. he directed a few wire episodes prior to this season.
I was too young to enjoy Homicide while it aired. Im looking forward to going back and watching the entire series on DVD when the Wire ends.
I've been watching it on Court TV. I wish I had seen Homicide first. It kind of suffers because it's not as good as the Wire, and I'm constantly comparing them.
