Man In The Box
Footballguy
Neither should be acceptable, but come on. One slur reminds people that they once owned other people. The other reminds people that they were once owned by other people.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Arguing degrees of severity is splitting hairs, and a bit of a red herring. No one will argue that one isn’t worse than the other. Obviously it is.
But slur is a slur & regardless of the severity of the slur it’s still conduct unbecoming & league discipline should be enforced. Especially when coupled with having to be held back while threatening a GM.
Not enforcing that with a 4-6 game suspension sets a very dangerous precedent.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Kevrunner
Footballguy
I think Antonio Brown decided afterwards that he didn’t want to be a Raider. At first he was gung-ho, working out with David Carr right away, on their own time, then something changed his mind and he wanted out, not sure if it was only because of the fines or not.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Is it me or does the outrage over "cracker" seem a little forced? I mean, it doesn't even get caught by the language filter.
Is it me or does the outrage over the "felony" (in liberal states only) seem a little forced? And ironic because coming from the conservative perspective? (see cracker outrage)
I wouldn't be surprised if the two parties go their separate ways tomorrow sans contract. If so, will today's ejaculation of outrage seem a little premature?
Is it me or does the outrage over the "felony" (in liberal states only) seem a little forced? And ironic because coming from the conservative perspective? (see cracker outrage)
I wouldn't be surprised if the two parties go their separate ways tomorrow sans contract. If so, will today's ejaculation of outrage seem a little premature?
mozzy84
Footballguy
I would guess it was chucky and Mayock. Both should still be in tv, not running football teams, especially Mayock. I realize he was hired to be a puppet but still.
SkippaDaFlippa
Footballguy
The only thing that messes up the whole Antonio Brown getting intentionally released conspiracy theory is his heartful apology to the team on Friday. The bipolar or CTE theories make more sense to me. His desire to win a ring might keep him on the straight and narrow on the Patriots but we shall see.
Todem
Footballguy
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Yeah, a black man makes a big deal out of it and a white guy doesn't give a #### what anyone calls him.
Todem
Footballguy
How about if the Raiders just left it alone and did not void his guaranteed money? He would be playing Monday night.
That was Mayock and Davis's big FU to him and here we are.
This whole conspiracy theory is as ridiculous as his behavior this summer.
mozzy84
Footballguy
Totally forced. People saying he should be suspended for that are “cracking” me up honestly. Totally reaching for something to complain about.
Man In The Box
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wormburner
Footballguy
No, because it's about intent, not a list of racial slurs ranked in pretend severity. If AB spat out the 'cracker' word with as much contempt and hatred as a white bigot would when dropping the n-word, then no, I don't have to understand the difference because there is none.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
link?
There's an un-biased New York Post article referencing Brady tweeting to AB in September 2018 that he was fun to watch, but other than that I'm not seeing any such "report".
Elevencents
Footballguy
That sounds about right. And there could be good ratings for what's expected to be a blowout game, if AB plays.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Of course there is. Cracker simply does not carry the same weight. At least in the non-millenial brain.
He's a little baby who threw a hissy fit. We're supposed to believe that Mike Mayock's psyche is damaged because he got called a cracker? Does he deserve reparations?
Hooper31
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I thought about attempting to make a post containing a rational and reasoned explanation of why certain words carry more impact than other words......but then I remembered the quote from the famous speech in "Cool Hand Luke": "Some men, you just can't reach."
ILUVBEER99
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Hot Sauce Guy
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mozzy84
Footballguy
Or a honky for that matter. George Jefferson used to use both all the time and it was hilarious lol
Capella
Footballguy
Of course it’s forced. Old white people love nothing more than to pretend like they face the same historical issues as a minority class. It’s hilarious to see the wailing in here. Somebody get these people a fainting sofa.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is a false premise.
There is no outrage over “cracker”.
There are rules in the league about conduct unbecoming. Using any slur, threatening violence, drugs, assault, etc, etc - they’re in the rules.
the rules don’t say “if a white person calls a POC X, Y or Z, this will happen” or “if a POC calls a white person X, Y or Z, that will happen”
Antonio Brown spent the better part of the last month acting like a maniac, escalating to the last week of insanity, where he both threatened and used a slur against a GM.
and it doesn’t matter in the slightest wht color anyone was or what the specific slur was.
it merits a suspension because it’s the very definition of “conduct unbecoming”.
I would think this obvious enough as to make explanation unnecessary, yet here we are.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I don't really care. #### the pats. #### AB. If the Eagles end up playing the Pats in the Super Bowl, I will be rooting my ### off for you guys.
wormburner
Footballguy
Apples and oranges. What Mayock, or you or I, think of being called a cracker is irrelevant. The weight of the word is in the intended insult. If AB was being as racially demeaning as he knew how, and cracker is the word he came up with up, he demonstrated the same weight of contempt and hatred as the white bigot dropping the n-word. This part of AB's clown show isn't about ranking racial slurs in order of severity.
DropKick
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I don't have a hard time believing the Patriots would be ready for this contingency and be prepared to act quickly.
I would be very surprised if this were all an act. Personally, I think Brown is loco and can't stay quiet for long.
Apparently, talent comes with a long rope. What comes next will be fascinating. Brown could be a good soldier or unemployed again very soon. Is it possible to have more volatility than Brown and Gordon? Does AB's persona have a positive or negative effect on Gordon? If AB is still AB and can focus on the game (two major uncertainties), New England is going to be tough to beat.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
We’re all quite cheery around here. Morale is excellent, but thanks for your concern.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
sports_fan
Footballguy
Well you can't fault him for the limitations of human anatomy. If he were a monkey his feet would be able to move differently, but his receiving skills would likely suffer
Shawnky
Footballguy
Couldn't be more wrong about this. You obviously don't know what this is a reference of.
mozzy84
Footballguy
Do we even know if he actually said that? Or threatened him? I know AB denied it and I’ve never heard Mayock actually confirm it (unless I missed it). Sounded like they were ready to play him Monday and move on until he outright asked to be cut?This is a false premise.
There is no outrage over “cracker”.
There are rules in the league about conduct unbecoming. Using any slur, threatening violence, drugs, assault, etc, etc - they’re in the rules.
the rules don’t say “if a white person calls a POC X, Y or Z, this will happen” or “if a POC calls a white person X, Y or Z, that will happen”
Antonio Brown spent the better part of the last month acting like a maniac, escalating to the last week of insanity, where he both threatened and used a slur against a GM.
and it doesn’t matter in the slightest wht color anyone was or what the specific slur was.
it merits a suspension because it’s the very definition of “conduct unbecoming”.
I would think this obvious enough as to make explanation unnecessary, yet here we are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Reportedly there were many witnesses to the incident. I have not heard that the incident was in dispute.
Where did you hear that Antonio Brown denied it?
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
if i ever meet someone who is offended by being called a cracker i will just laugh at them. i doubt that ever happens though since nobody is offended by it.
Shawnky
Footballguy
mozzy84
Footballguy
12:31 PM PT -- Antonio Brown says he did NOT hurl a racial slur at Raiders GM Mike Mayock -- telling ESPN's Dianna Russini, "Everything has been blown out of proportion."
Russini says Brown is adamant he would never use racist language -- and strongly denies ANY sort of "scuffle" with Mayock.
"Antonio Brown told me there was never a scuffle at practice. He said he did not use the word 'cracker' and would never use that word...Everything has been blown out of proportion," Russini reports.
Instead, Brown describes the situation with Mayock this way -- "I spoke with Mike Mayock 1-on-1, man-to-man."
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
mozzy84
Footballguy
all those reports are just espn saying the have a unreported source. I have yet to hear of one actual witness anyways. Just saying it would be impossible to suspend someone for he said she said stuff. Video or tape, I would be more likely to agree with you.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
I didn't realize no one in the world was offended by that. It must not be an offensive term, then.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You should be banned for a comment like this. Showing a little too much of yourself with this one.
Edit: Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're saying here. In which case, my bad. But what you're saying seems like trivializing.
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Insein
Footballguy
That's really the semantics now. Whether he wanted out before or after. Either way, the deal with NE was done months ago.
Elevencents
Footballguy
So f-ing dramatic, I swear. Some people fall on one side of this whole thing and any little piece that fits their plight and they’re screaming at the top of their lungs it’s the worst thing they’ve ever seen or heard (“cracker”).
Shawnky
Footballguy
What are you talking about? Your ignorance on the subject matter is on full display. I'll hit you with a little knowledge and then will no longer hijack the thread. The term "Cracker" is in reference to someone who cracks the whip, like a slave owner/trader. In other words, you means you're an oppressor and a racist POS. While it might not bother you, I would definitely take offense to someone calling me a "Cracker." I wouldn't want to fight someone over it, but it would definitely show that the person calling me that has no idea who I am as a person and is a complete and total idiot.ya, white people have a long history of being subjected to oppression and slavery.
[scooter]
Footballguy
For a guy who calls other people ignorant, it's quite ironic that you botched the origins of the word "cracker".What are you talking about? Your ignorance on the subject matter is on full display. I'll hit you with a little knowledge and then will no longer hijack the thread. The term "Cracker" is in reference to someone who cracks the whip, like a slave owner/trader. In other words, you means you're an oppressor and a racist POS. While it might not bother you, I would definitely take offense to someone calling me a "Cracker." I wouldn't want to fight someone over it, but it would definitely show that the person calling me that has no idea who I am as a person and is a complete and total idiot.ya, white people have a long history of being subjected to oppression and slavery.
It had nothing to do with oppression or race -- not originally, at least.
Originally, a "craker" or "crake" was a person who was cocky and arrogant (but also uneducated and ill-mannered). By the 1700s, the word was being used to describe certain settlers in the south -- not because they were oppressive slaveholders, but because they were poor, dumb, and obnoxious.
Later on, the term was also used to describe people who cracked a whip.......but it still wasn't a reference to slavery. It was actually a reference to the fact that these people were often so poor that the only job they could get was a cattle driver or some other menial task involving beasts of burden.
So, the word is certainly an insult, but unlike the n-word it does not have racist origins.
Csonka4life
Footballguy
The Flintstones had an episode like this where Fred got hit on the head and became a Kelsey Grammar cheer character and then a mob of former friends chased him into his house and Barney hit on the head again and he became the old boorish working class Fred.
This might work....
Csonka4life
Footballguy
Some might not even know what it means as Mayock isn't from the south, I know I didn't know what meant until I actually met some southern people and some distant relatives that lived in the DC area.
