That actually disproves your point and proves mine. He was focusing on that week and that week alone. Go ahead and ignore the hundreds of times he said Vick is his starter before that and now after that. Whatever makes you Kolb owners feel better.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
I'm not a Kolb owner, just an Eagles fan who listens to Philly news and reads Philly sports every day. Again, a simple "Michael's my starter" would have put the whole thing to rest. Side stepping the question just makes it worse imo.
omg man. he has answered the question. congratulations, you found one article where he didnt want to discuss it, but was concentrating on the current week. talk about cherry picking.
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Again, he HAS DONE THAT many times. Again, you are ignoring that fact. Again, you found the one article where he didn't say it.
Insein
Footballguy
You 2 are awfully obsessed with defending what you call "a pointless argument." We've merely made our point that Andy Reid does not mean what he says and will do whatever he wants to do. I don't own Kolb or vick. I'm an Eagles fan who wants the Eagles to win. If thats Vick then so be it. If thats Kolb then so be it. What I want to hear from andy is a definitive starter do or die without the flopping back and forth. He says Vick now. We'll see if Vick has some bad games.
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CowboysHomer
Footballguy
Same could be said for you Vick owners.
Insein: Again, please give me specifics to your assertion that Reid does not mean what he says. Beyond the one time after Week 1. You still have not answered that question. Right now it seems like a baseless claim. You are just saying it to try and prove a point, but it is simply not true. Someone doing that one time does not make your point. Specifics!
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Sheesh, can we just agree he is starting now.
How about some predictions for next week? How does he matchup with the Colts? Can we comfortably start him in two weeks?
How about some predictions for next week? How does he matchup with the Colts? Can we comfortably start him in two weeks?
Insein
Footballguy
Should I link every post game and Monday press conference for the season? I mean people would fall asleep before the end of the first one.
You mean every post game and Monday press conference where he stated Vick was his starting QB? Yes, please do that! Again, you have ZERO proof to your claim. You keep dodging the question and making witty remarks, but that just shows how your assertion is incorrect. It's over dude...you lost this one.Let's move on. I think Vick will have a very solid game against the Colts. He has time to prepare, and the Colts rushing D stinks.
JUST LIST ONE!! List one posting where he said the week 9 starter was up in the air and/or the team's starter was Kolb not Vick. Please just list one.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I posted one a few posts up....check it out.
this?"I haven't even thought about that," Reid said yesterday. "We're worried about Tennessee right now and we're not worried about starting jobs. You guys can worry about all that. We're worried right now about trying to put together a game plan, learn the game plan and execute the game plan. That's what I think Kevin is focused in on; that's what we're focused in on as coaches."
i dont see anything here.
Jude, just stop fighting with them. There is zero proof and they are just wrong. Clearly they won't let facts get in the way of their preconceived ideas. They were/are trying to read between the lines when it is not necessary.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
You particularly don't see "Michael's my starting QB". You also don't see where Reid said Vick's practiced all week, is close to 100%, but isn't starting. Nor do you see that Kolb was coming off 2 nice, if not great, games. One where he was named the NFC Offensive player of the week. Then was asked who his starter would be after the bye. He then side stepped the question. And yes, saying "I haven't even thought about that" is coach speak for "I don't want to answer that now". If you still want to believe its been carved in stone for weeks that Vick is the unquestioned starter, then fine. I don't agree. Time to move on.
Insein
Footballguy
Yes we're wrong and we're not reading between the lines.
Talk about head in the sand. Here's the news at the start of this week after the Atlanta game where Kolb played good.http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=22256
Here's the news after Kolb played bad. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...erback_job.html
Kolb played poorly and it made Andy's decision Easy. Not once during the week did he say Vick is definitely my starter. He evaded and gave a half-hearted "if he's healthy, we'll see." So basically, Vick is the starter because Kolb didn't light it up. We'll see how long that lasts. thats all Ive been saying but your defending Andy to the death. Always a bad move if your relying on what Andy says.
I appreciate you at least trying to support your argument with real quotes and facts. But the quotes above seem to be Reid discussing the game/gameplay that occurred. The question posed to you is where did Reid ever say something and do the opposite...which is your claim. Again, excluding after week 1. The quotes above in no way prove your point. Him saying Kolb could have played better is not doing that. And him saying Kevin is the guy yesterday because Vick was still not 100% is not doing that either. Still haven't answered the question...where does Reid say one thing and do the opposite?Yes we're wrong and we're not reading between the lines.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=22256
Here's the news after Kolb played bad. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...erback_job.html
Kolb played poorly and it made Andy's decision Easy. Not once during the week did he say Vick is definitely my starter. He evaded and gave a half-hearted "if he's healthy, we'll see." So basically, Vick is the starter because Kolb didn't light it up. We'll see how long that lasts. thats all Ive been saying but your defending Andy to the death. Always a bad move if your relying on what Andy says.
you are delusional. You need to read Reid's quotes, not the fluff piece by the reporter. You'll see nowhere EVER does he say Kolb is probably my QB if he plays well in Week 7. You are saying this NOT Reid. However, I can point you to where Reid has point blank stated multiple times that Vick is the starter when helthy. We are done here. You Lost.Yes we're wrong and we're not reading between the lines.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=22256
Here's the news after Kolb played bad. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...erback_job.html
Kolb played poorly and it made Andy's decision Easy. Not once during the week did he say Vick is definitely my starter. He evaded and gave a half-hearted "if he's healthy, we'll see." So basically, Vick is the starter because Kolb didn't light it up. We'll see how long that lasts. thats all Ive been saying but your defending Andy to the death. Always a bad move if your relying on what Andy says.
Insein
Footballguy
you are delusional. You need to read Reid's quotes, not the fluff piece by the reporter. You'll see nowhere EVER does he say Kolb is probably my QB if he plays well in Week 7. You are saying this NOT Reid. However, I can point you to where Reid has point blank stated multiple times that Vick is the starter when helthy. We are done here. You Lost.Yes we're wrong and we're not reading between the lines.Talk about head in the sand. Here's the news at the start of this week after the Atlanta game where Kolb played good.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=22256
Here's the news after Kolb played bad. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...erback_job.html
Kolb played poorly and it made Andy's decision Easy. Not once during the week did he say Vick is definitely my starter. He evaded and gave a half-hearted "if he's healthy, we'll see." So basically, Vick is the starter because Kolb didn't light it up. We'll see how long that lasts. thats all Ive been saying but your defending Andy to the death. Always a bad move if your relying on what Andy says.
What did I lose? My opinion stated that if Kolb played well, he'd be the starter for week 9. How can you disprove my assertion? I think we will know by years end. If andy back tracks again and starts Kolb when Vick plays poorly, you will know who is right.
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Wow. Just simply Wow. You lost because you stated a point: That Andy Reid says one thing and does another. And have ZERO evidence to prove it. When asked for proof, you bring something that does not prove it at all. That is why you lost. Not because Vick is the starter. You lost because your logic is flawed and has been proven wrong.
Insein
Footballguy
Andy Reid said Kevin Kolb is my starter for Week 2. Vick started week 2. Next question?
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Opinions are fine. But we all know that's not what you are doing here.
Do you even read before responding? We all agree he did it one time. If according to you, one time makes this a personality trait for life, then you must be tough to be around. He did it once...no more. Yet you accuse him of ALWAYS doing it. As asked countless times..please state an example above that one that we all agree on.
Insein
Footballguy
McNabb is my quarterback for 2010. Mcnabb is traded to the Redskins.
Any quotes for that? Or is this just made up by you again? Or implied via articles and commentary from journalists? probably not..you don't like facts.
Insein
Footballguy
What am I doing here? All I'm doing is pointing out that Andy Reid's words are worth the CO2 that they emit.Opinions are fine. But we all know that's not what you are doing here.
Correction - You are INCORRECTLY pointing out that Reid's words are worth the CO2 they emit.What am I doing here? All I'm doing is pointing out that Andy Reid's words are worth the CO2 that they emit.Opinions are fine. But we all know that's not what you are doing here.
I was listening to your arguement until this ^^^^^If they in fact win yesterday (which I added) Kolb is named the starter PERIOD. No way they go with Vick. The funny thing is, that Kolb wasn't great, but that is not what lost the game. It was the Oline on one goalline play that broke down and helped botch McCoy han doff and the defense that never seemed to know what they were doing. Kolb plays good enough to lead them into the 4th quarter, and then the defenses (where I believe KK is on the bench next to the Great Vick) never even covers the receivers! How the hell is that Kolbs fault and justify his play? Next week if Vick scores 5 TD's but the defense gives up 10 TD's- Are the Vick supporters going to say that its Vicks fault for not scoring 11TD's?
you are saying he said things he hasnt said. you are giving us your opinion of what you think his words mean.sadly your total lack of reading comprehension is the root source of the problem. and your opinion at this point is just dead wrong.What am I doing here? All I'm doing is pointing out that Andy Reid's words are worth the CO2 that they emit.Opinions are fine. But we all know that's not what you are doing here.
Insein
Footballguy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4816179
After this comment is abundantly apparent that neither you nor Jade actually pay attention to Andy Reid's press conferences or to Philly media. Admittedly much of it is fluff and stuff to make an article. However, what andy says and what Andy does are 2 different things. He remains purposely vague most of the time to avoid controversy. This year though, naming McNabb his QB then trading him, then naming Kolb the starter then benching him are 2 of the most recent reasons why I will never believe what andy says ever again. I will only see what andy does. You can blindly follow his words but I will not any longer.The whole pojnt of this argument was to dissuade people from blindly following what Andy says and finding other sources (if you can) to confirm what you need to know for FF or otherwise.
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I think Jude nailed it..your reading comprehension is very poor. The article you used a reference NOWHERE states that McNabb is his starter.
"That's my call," Reid said Monday when asked who will make the decision to bring McNabb back. "I think he's a great player. His work over the last 11 years has proven that. I truly believe it's a team sport; it's not one guy."
You are misreading his quotes and attributing them to Andy. You even say he is ambiguous on purpose, then try to find clarity in his ambiguity. Your mistake..not others.
"That's my call," Reid said Monday when asked who will make the decision to bring McNabb back. "I think he's a great player. His work over the last 11 years has proven that. I truly believe it's a team sport; it's not one guy."
You are misreading his quotes and attributing them to Andy. You even say he is ambiguous on purpose, then try to find clarity in his ambiguity. Your mistake..not others.
Insein
Footballguy
Believe what you want. Its obvious you feel Andy says what he means. Hopefully it doesn't burn you.And since you won't believe London is burning until the Germans are there, here's more articles for you.
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/eagl...-my-quarterback
http://mcnabborkolb.tumblr.com/post/354504...ement-of-mcnabb
http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing?blo...&tagID=1181
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again, you are confusing your inherent feelings that reid's word isnt worth anything Vs. what is actually in print and being quoted.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
You guys are forgetting who Vick played...
Insein
Footballguy
See above.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I have said this before in other posts: "Vick supporters are certainly much louder than Kolb supporters". Continues to be true.
and?edit to add: this isnt about supporting a side. it is about examining facts - at least for me.
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Insein
Footballguy
Indeed. All Ive been pointing out is that Andy's word can not be trusted. Seems I can't read so goods though.
dude we get it. you dont trust reid. is there anything else you can add here?Indeed. All Ive been pointing out is that Andy's word can not be trusted. Seems I can't read so goods though.
Insein
Footballguy
You're not obligated to respond to me. You seem very intent on doing so though. Are you adding anything here?dude we get it. you dont trust reid. is there anything else you can add here?Indeed. All Ive been pointing out is that Andy's word can not be trusted. Seems I can't read so goods though.
yeah, i am in a thread about Vick being the starter because I have him on my team. You are just trolling around telling us to not trust Reid. Fine, thank you, we get it. please head out of here. your thoughts are on the record. your utter lack of reading comprehension is also on the record.You're not obligated to respond to me. You seem very intent on doing so though. Are you adding anything here?dude we get it. you dont trust reid. is there anything else you can add here?Indeed. All Ive been pointing out is that Andy's word can not be trusted. Seems I can't read so goods though.
Insein
Footballguy
By all means keep insulting me. It only strengthens your position.yeah, i am in a thread about Vick being the starter because I have him on my team. You are just trolling around telling us to not trust Reid. Fine, thank you, we get it. please head out of here. your thoughts are on the record. your utter lack of reading comprehension is also on the record.You're not obligated to respond to me. You seem very intent on doing so though. Are you adding anything here?dude we get it. you dont trust reid. is there anything else you can add here?Indeed. All Ive been pointing out is that Andy's word can not be trusted. Seems I can't read so goods though.
For those that care, Vick will be the starter until Andy feels Kolb is better. So don't believe what he says.
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don't worry man. you can get better at itBy all means keep insulting me. It only strengthens your position.For those that care, Vick will be the starter until Andy feels Kolb is better. So don't believe what he says.
for the record, don;t bump this when/if Kolb gets the job back because I never stated that he wouldn't.
Insein
Footballguy
I'll bump it for you when reid says Vick is the starter but Kolb starts that week. Hows that?don't worry man. you can get better at itBy all means keep insulting me. It only strengthens your position.for the record, don;t bump this when/if Kolb gets the job back because I never stated that he wouldn't.
sure i can agree to that, but I was never really debating that either. reid may be a chronic flip flopper, i dont know.....i'll take your word for it....you seem like you know a lot about the eagles.I'll bump it for you when reid says Vick is the starter but Kolb starts that week. Hows that?don't worry man. you can get better at itBy all means keep insulting me. It only strengthens your position.For those that care, Vick will be the starter until Andy feels Kolb is better. So don't believe what he says.
for the record, don;t bump this when/if Kolb gets the job back because I never stated that he wouldn't.
Insein
Footballguy
Just like I wouldn't argue if you had info on the Pats.sure i can agree to that, but I was never really debating that either. reid may be a chronic flip flopper, i dont know.....i'll take your word for it....you seem like you know a lot about the eagles.I'll bump it for you when reid says Vick is the starter but Kolb starts that week. Hows that? :(don't worry man. you can get better at itBy all means keep insulting me. It only strengthens your position.
paulbertini
Footballguy
Michael Vick gives the eagles a better chance to win. Kolb is more suited for the Eagles dink and dunk west coast style, but Vick has the much better big play ability. The saftey/linebacker assigned to spy Vick opens up the running lanes for McCoy just a tab bit more then when Kolb is under center. The Eagles struggle greatley in short yardage situations, and Michaels feet make the defense have to focus on one more factor, giving them a better oppourtunity to convert short yardage plays. Vicks ability to extend the play that extra second gives Maclin and Jackson a chance to use their speed and break away from defenders. Kolb is the future of the franchise, but Vick without a doubt gives the Eagles a better chance to win now.
