doowain
Footballguy
Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?looks close to me
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What is the worst dynasty trade you have been offered? (6 Viewers)
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Dreamer
Footballguy
This will be an interesting post to look back at in 1 year.Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Turner 1500 total yards 11 TDs > HillmanBrown 1100 yards last year = Thomas 551 yards last year(his hype train is getting crazy) Antonio Brown was the team MVP last year in his second season.Davis < HernandezLooks close as I said...it's not out of this planet. I know everyone thinks old players suck and rookies will be All-Pros...but that just isn't the case.Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?
doowain
Footballguy
I think that's the point. As with nearly every post in here, CURRENT value dictates it to be a bad offer. Current value in the context of this trade says that it isn't close. I still think the same holds true in a year, but that's always a gamble in dynasty.This will be an interesting post to look back at in 1 year.Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?
doowain
Footballguy
Can I get Turner's points last year this year? I don't think my league allows that, but I can ask.If this were a redraft league, I'd completely agree with you. But it's not, and current value of these players echoes my comparison of the relative pieces.Hillman is a late 1st, early 2nd round rookie pick. I've seen him as high as 1.09. You think you could get that pick for Turner? Not a chance.I like Brown, but his ceiling isn't anywhere close to Thomas'. Those are just the facts. Sometimes group think is a bad thing, but we can't all be wrong on his potential.I'm also a Davis fan, but I think Hernandez and Davis are worlds apart talent-wise. Also, Hernandez is only 22. In the interim, he has Gronk capping his upside, but his rookie contract ends after the 2014 season when he will be 24 years old. Not to mention Davis' knucklehead factor.These reasons are why, in a dynasty, it's not close.Turner 1500 total yards 11 TDs > HillmanBrown 1100 yards last year = Thomas 551 yards last year(his hype train is getting crazy) Antonio Brown was the team MVP last year in his second season.Davis < HernandezLooks close as I said...it's not out of this planet. I know everyone thinks old players suck and rookies will be All-Pros...but that just isn't the case.Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Ronnie Hillman has proven nothing the NFL, Turner has proven a lot. It's not like Hillman is a 1st round pick...he's a 3rd round pick, meaning expectations should be lowered. I've watched many of Hillman's games at SDSU and I don't see an everydown RB. Yeah I hear this every year that Michael Turner is going to fall off...then he runs for another 1300 yards. Wheels falling off...he ran for 172 in Week 16 and his 4.5 YPC was .4 higher than the year before. I can't see Ronnie Hillman running for over 2,000 yards in his entire career. So in my out of this world idea...Turner wins big time here even if he lasts only another year.Brown's ceiling isn't close to Thomas'...but Kenny Britt has never been stud but that's his "price". Same age...same position...give me the guy that out produces the other one. "We can't all be wrong on his potential" Go over to the SP hype thread for a list of guys that had "potential".I like Hernandez much more than Davis.In the end...the deal isn't one of the worst...that's my point.Can I get Turner's points last year this year? I don't think my league allows that, but I can ask.If this were a redraft league, I'd completely agree with you. But it's not, and current value of these players echoes my comparison of the relative pieces.Hillman is a late 1st, early 2nd round rookie pick. I've seen him as high as 1.09. You think you could get that pick for Turner? Not a chance.I like Brown, but his ceiling isn't anywhere close to Thomas'. Those are just the facts. Sometimes group think is a bad thing, but we can't all be wrong on his potential.I'm also a Davis fan, but I think Hernandez and Davis are worlds apart talent-wise. Also, Hernandez is only 22. In the interim, he has Gronk capping his upside, but his rookie contract ends after the 2014 season when he will be 24 years old. Not to mention Davis' knucklehead factor.These reasons are why, in a dynasty, it's not close.Turner 1500 total yards 11 TDs > HillmanBrown 1100 yards last year = Thomas 551 yards last year(his hype train is getting crazy) Antonio Brown was the team MVP last year in his second season.Davis < HernandezLooks close as I said...it's not out of this planet. I know everyone thinks old players suck and rookies will be All-Pros...but that just isn't the case.Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?
doowain
Footballguy
doowain
Footballguy
Also, kudos on glossing over the fact that current market value on each piece in that deal dictates that it's a bad offer. Whether you agree with the market price on each piece or not.
FWIW, I never said it was "the worst offer ever". I said, as far as recent offers go, it was the worst I'd received.
FWIW, I never said it was "the worst offer ever". I said, as far as recent offers go, it was the worst I'd received.
doowain
Footballguy
First time on the internet?
Spike
Footballguy
I have what might be a thread-ender.
I'm in the midst of an initial dispersal draft. Rookies are included.
I was "offered" trading my 4.01 pick (remember, this is the veterans and rookies in this) for his 2013 3rd round rookie pick.
Mind-numbingly bad. Epically bad.
When I called him on it he said, "Well, you never know if someone will accept it."
Wow.
I'm in the midst of an initial dispersal draft. Rookies are included.
I was "offered" trading my 4.01 pick (remember, this is the veterans and rookies in this) for his 2013 3rd round rookie pick.
Mind-numbingly bad. Epically bad.
When I called him on it he said, "Well, you never know if someone will accept it."
Wow.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Seroiusly.'benson_will_lead_the_way said:'doowain said:
eakfootball
Footballguy
Seems fair enough.'doowain said:
ChainsawU
Footballguy
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I agree.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
WTF?Wow!
Based on dynasty value this looks close. I could argue either side depending on what you were looking to do with your teamI think that's the point. As with nearly every post in here, CURRENT value dictates it to be a bad offer. Current value in the context of this trade says that it isn't close. I still think the same holds true in a year, but that's always a gamble in dynasty.This will be an interesting post to look back at in 1 year.Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?
Gawain
Footballguy
According to the FBG consensus rankings: Hillman (30) > Turner (38) (2 of 8 have Turner over Hillman)Thomas (21) > Brown (27) (2 of 8 have Brown over Thomas)Hernandez (3) > Davis (8) (0 of 7 have Davis over Hernandez)Probably a little better for the team who offered the trade, but it's a joke this is the worst recent trade, unless your league has a 1 trade a year policy.Based on dynasty value this looks close. I could argue either side depending on what you were looking to do with your teamI think that's the point. As with nearly every post in here, CURRENT value dictates it to be a bad offer. Current value in the context of this trade says that it isn't close. I still think the same holds true in a year, but that's always a gamble in dynasty.This will be an interesting post to look back at in 1 year.Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?
cstu
Footballguy
I offered Stafford in exchange for RG3 and a 1st (probably middle-late) and was immediately turned down. Maybe RG3 is over-valued but that's his value right now.
cstu
Footballguy
We have a winner.WTF?
cstu
Footballguy
I can understand that view, but what really matters is the perceived value of players. If someone makes that trade they are losing a ton of perceived value, especially with Turner who has almost no trade value. If Hillman has even a decent year this year he'll be worth a 1st next year while Turner will be a 31 yo RB who could be cut. Plus, I don't even know if Turner will outscore Hillman in PPR this year since he's expecting to split time with Rodgers.Turner 1500 total yards 11 TDs > HillmanBrown 1100 yards last year = Thomas 551 yards last year(his hype train is getting crazy) Antonio Brown was the team MVP last year in his second season.Davis < HernandezLooks close as I said...it's not out of this planet. I know everyone thinks old players suck and rookies will be All-Pros...but that just isn't the case.Hillman > TurnerThomas > BrownHernandez > DavisOn what planet is that close?
plastik
Footballguy
Not near the worst ever, but just offered and worse than many in this thread...
get
Ponder, Christian MIN QB
Greene, Shonn NYJ RB
McKnight, Joe NYJ RB
Manningham, Mario SFO WR
give
Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB
Miller, Lamar MIA RB
Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR
Year 2013 Round 5 Draft Pick
I wouldn't give MJD alone for those guys. Roster space is tight in this league too.
get
Ponder, Christian MIN QB
Greene, Shonn NYJ RB
McKnight, Joe NYJ RB
Manningham, Mario SFO WR
give
Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB
Miller, Lamar MIA RB
Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR
Year 2013 Round 5 Draft Pick
I wouldn't give MJD alone for those guys. Roster space is tight in this league too.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I saw RGIII + Gerhart(to the AP owner) + 2.5 for 1.9 + Jamaal Charles. I think that's a lot for RGIII.
Dreamer
Footballguy
Love the addition of the 5th round pick. Like that's the dealbreaker.
Spike
Footballguy
Here, alphabetically, are the 24 players picked in rounds 4 and 5 (PPR league):Austin, Miles DAL WRBlackmon, Justin JAC WRBowe, Dwayne KCC WRBritt, Kenny TEN WRDecker, Eric DEN WRFloyd, Michael ARI WRGriffin III, Robert WAS QBHernandez, Aaron NEP TEHillman, Ronnie DEN RBIngram, Mark NOS RBJackson, Steven STL RBJohnson, Steve BUF WRLuck, Andrew IND QBLynch, Marshawn SEA RBMaclin, Jeremy PHI WRManning, Peyton DEN QBMarshall, Brandon CHI WRNelson, Jordy GBP WRRyan, Matt ATL QBSproles, Darren NOS RBStewart, Jonathan CAR RBThomas, Demaryius DEN WRVick, Michael PHI QBWilson, David NYG RB
Mister CIA
Footballguy
i dont know whats worse this or that Boldin one.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Got offered rookie pick 34, for Jonathan Stewart.
Any specifics?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Isn't this why most trades are made? Because both sides like the other side more than the side they're giving up, for one reason or another? He was just being honest with you after you told him the trade was no dice. Unless you wanted him to keep up the polite pretense that he liked your side just as much? Obviously based on value he thought you should be adding picks to your side of the deal. That doesn't mean he can't prefer your player over his straight up.
Yenrub
Footballguy
We both agreed that my player was better than hisHe wanted me to give him the better player plus 2 picks for the lesser player
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Re-read my post. It makes perfect sense in the context of what you're saying. You and I both think that McFadden is better than Rice, for whatever reason. You own McFadden. I want McFadden, and want to offer Rice. But value dictates that to get Rice from me, you have to add to your side of the deal, even if we both think McFadden is better. Doesn't matter, in every league Rice is worth more. You reject it, saying "sorry, but I think McFadden is actually better than Rice, so I'm not going to throw in two picks to get a player I like less". I admit "Yeah, I think McFadden is better too." But Rice is worth more.Obviously this is an example using two players that people might not feel that way about, but you get my point.
Dynasty startup draft 2010:
I give.
2.02
4.02
6.02
I get.
3.01
4.12
6.12
I rejected it without countering and I got a message from the guy that said, "I thought you wanted to move down?" I said yes I did from 2.02 to a lower pick in the 2nd round and improving my draft position later in the draft. "He replied back, Maybe you should have been more clear! D!CK" I didn't respond because I couldn't tell if he was joking or not.
I give.
2.02
4.02
6.02
I get.
3.01
4.12
6.12
I rejected it without countering and I got a message from the guy that said, "I thought you wanted to move down?" I said yes I did from 2.02 to a lower pick in the 2nd round and improving my draft position later in the draft. "He replied back, Maybe you should have been more clear! D!CK" I didn't respond because I couldn't tell if he was joking or not.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I don't know. Pretty deep draft class this year...
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
In a league where we can start up to 4 rbs and 1 pt ppr for everyone
I give R. Bush, Colston, and my 1st rd rookie
I get RG3 and his 2nd rd rookie
I give R. Bush, Colston, and my 1st rd rookie
I get RG3 and his 2nd rd rookie
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This doesn't belong in this thread.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
You can't be serious. A QB that hasn't played a down in the NFL for 2 ppr studs and a 1st rd rookie? You have to start 3 rbs in this league, and can play 4. Sorry, RG3 isn't a stud yet.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Bush is not a PPR stud. You talk like this is Sproles in this deal. A younger version. Its not. I didn't say it was a fair offer. I said it doesn't belong in this thread, because its not THAT bad.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Agree to disagree. In this league Bush is a stud........at least he was last year. Three years ago he was the #1 player by a wide margin for weeks before a season ending injury. I am definitely wanting to upgrade my QBs in this league as I have Fitzpatrick and Cassell with Kaepernick and Osweiller on my taxi. But, that offer is horrible for this type of league. Would definitely make that deal for a more proven QB. Too much risk involved for an unproven rookie.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Honestly, if my team outside of Brady wasn't very good, I might take that and grab both QBs, or at least grab Luck and Richardson perhaps.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Come on. I wouldn't accept it, personally, but it isn't that bad. Certainly a starting point for negotiations.
Gawain
Footballguy
Heh, I thought he meant it was bad the other way...someone wanted him to pay the 1.1 and 1.2 for Brady. 1.1 and 1.2 are worth more than Brady IMO.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Y'all are crazy on the RG3 trade. I gave up Dez, Donald Brown and a future 1 and 2 for him and didn't blink.
Yes this is a QB heavy league but it doesn't matter. He'll have Cam like value a year from now.
Yes this is a QB heavy league but it doesn't matter. He'll have Cam like value a year from now.
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