Mario Kart
Footballguy
Russell Wilson will bring a Super Bowl title to whichever team he is QB'ing for. Book it.
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QB Russell Wilson, PIT (6 Viewers)
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Hooper31
Footballguy
Frustrating thread. Everyone is positioning themselves with an opinion so they can come back later with the I TOLD YOU SO. That sucks.
There's some interesting stuff going on in Seattle with their overall philosophy and team dynamic. They are running very contrary to the NFL trend of passing to win. If you're going to spend your time trying to be right you might miss out on something cool worth examining. Perhaps try to understand instead of try to judge? That might be asking way too much of anonymous internet posters.
There's some interesting stuff going on in Seattle with their overall philosophy and team dynamic. They are running very contrary to the NFL trend of passing to win. If you're going to spend your time trying to be right you might miss out on something cool worth examining. Perhaps try to understand instead of try to judge? That might be asking way too much of anonymous internet posters.
lod01
Footballguy
Only if 31 other clubs forfeit.
Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
I'm not sure if they are backing Flynn per se; it's most likely some of the frustration was directed at the coaches. But it's obvious here in Sea Town that players are frustrated. What do you expect when you have almost every other phase of the team peaking at a high NFL level; yet team success is obviously weighted down to a ball and chain midget rookie QB with 3 weeks of NFL experience and an offensive game plan more conservative than Rush Limbaugh?Did you watch or listen to the post game player interviews last week?Pete Carroll has always been a players coach; but it was abundantly evident the feeling wasn't as mutual immediately after the Rams game.'bonesman said:
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bonesman
Footballguy
No, I saw Pete's post game and then Wed. (or maybe Tuesday's) pressconference. I looked on Seahawks.com (for Rice's interview) after it was mentioned here, but didn't see anything besides PC and Wilson. Got a link?
smackdaddies
Footballguy
RW will throw/run for 3 td's in each of the next two games. Then he will have his lunch money stolen from him
forbidden doughnut
Footballguy
One of those games is against the Panthers...pretty sure I could do that right now.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I want him to pull a Flutie Flake Quadruple Header. I went to a Chargers vs Viqueens game and after LT opened the scoring flood with a 75-ish yard pitch for a TD, Flutie went on to throw for 2 and run for 2. LT live in his prime was one of the best NFL game experiences I've ever had.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You can't say he didn't throw a touchdown pass today.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
He's an INT correct call from being 2-3 with a top tier defense and Pro Bowl running back. He's not very good but apparantly pretty decent today but Im not sold. I realize the WRs for the majority arent getting seperation but he also isnt delivering the ball well. (total season wise)Im glad he preformed well against a suspect Panthers D. Guess I'll just be looking for carry over next week @ home vs. NE.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Seattle really needs to give Flynn a shot. RW is awful.
waybackwhen
Footballguy
For me:
Redraft: Droppable
Keeper: Droppable
Dynasty: Hold
Even in dynasty though, this situation(great defense/great RB/conservative offense) could hold him back as much as talent.
Redraft: Droppable
Keeper: Droppable
Dynasty: Hold
Even in dynasty though, this situation(great defense/great RB/conservative offense) could hold him back as much as talent.
biju
Footballguy
And he's also a catch in the endzone from being 4-1. What's your point? For that matter, the TE was tripped in the STL game too. Apparently one play means a win so now their 5-0.But for some reason people are going to keep saying that one play means Wilson isn't good. Get over it--that was week 3.
biju
Footballguy
I didn't realize Wilson was calling the plays.
biju
Footballguy
I agree to an extent. If you look at the Seahawks over the past two years they have come out slow in the first half of the season and start throwing more down the line. I'm not sure if he'll be startable even then though.In dynasty I think it might actually be time to buy.
Tau837
Footballguy
With regard to Wilson's record as a starter, the dropped TD passes that should won the game at Arizona offset the GB "correct call INT". Seattle "should" be 3-2.With regard to Wilson's performance as a passer so far, he has been mediocre overall. But as has been discussed in this thread, he has been limited somewhat by the design of the offense. He is a talented rookie who is intelligent and works hard. It is reasonable to expect his performance to improve as he gains experience, and it's also possible the playcalling will open up a bit.From a fantasy perspective, he isn't likely to be useful this year, and maybe not for a few years, even if he remains the starter... the coaching philosophy will have to change, providing him more downfield and red zone opportunities.From a NFL perspective, he is a serviceable starting QB now and I expect he will develop into a good starter over time.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
You are anything but the voice of reason. The Seahawks win. Wilson gives them steady QB play with a chance to explode. They win. He is not putting up 5000/50 anytime soon but he does not need to do that to win. Control the ball, move the ball, score. Simple.
cstu
Footballguy
The numbers don't lie - he has the second worst YPA of any QB, only Gabbert is worse and not by much.
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rockaction
Footballguy
This thread seems less conducive to reason and more receptive to belief. Stats won't matter here.
biju
Footballguy
Fair enough, but there's also a difference between saying he "isn't good" and not making the throws he's being asked to make. His stats aren't good, but the indication is he's missing targets. Nobody seems to be taking into account the fact that Pete Carroll has stated he's holding Wilson back.
N Zone
Footballguy
He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Don't forget the all-important rushing yards. He's on pace for 294 of them.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon.
Hooper31
Footballguy
My gut tells me you're just in here fishing, but I'll respond anyway because I think there's a good point to make. You're partially correct that stats aren't the most important thing, but some stats are important. Wilson doesn't need to post big numbers, but he must post efficient numbers. He must post more efficient numbers particularly on third down. Today he was better. Aside from the pick-6 (and that was a very bad choice) he looked great. Delivered the ball well and on time. He was 19/25 and missed out on a beautifully delivered ball to Tate for 56 yards (called back by an unnecessary hold). Seattle has a script for winning games. Today was nearly flawless execution of that script. Take away the awful pick 6 and this was a blowout win for Seattle. Keep in mind, this team is built to keep the scores low and beat the crap out of their opponents physically. I thought the PFT headline said it all. Seahawks-hammer-panthers-even-though-score-was-closeThe only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon.
Max Power
Footballguy
Is this the new Tebow thread?The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon.
flc735
Footballguy
what are you talking about? they are 3-2. that means they have lost 2 games. flynn is the ideal quarterback to control the ball. wilson doesn't really move the ball by the way.
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drummer
Footballguy
Might as well toss Alex Smith in there as well.Is this the new Tebow thread?The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon.
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
But Flynn has more career "W's" than Wilson.The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon.
Tau837
Footballguy
No he doesn't. Wilson is 3-2 as a starter; Flynn is 1-1. WTF are you talking about?But Flynn has more career "W's" than Wilson.The only stat that matters is a "W". And, if he gets 10+ of those "W's", he might be a keeper.He's on pace for 1900 yards passing and 16 touchdowns. So I think you meant to say he's not putting up 2500 yards passing / 20 touchdowns anytime soon.
cstu
Footballguy
Did you think Billick was holding Trent Dilfer back?
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Wilson isn't playing that poorly. I think what some people forget is that when you run a conservative offense, you limit your QB's opportunities to situations where the D in large part knows what is coming. I think you're seeing that with Wilson to some extent. You have a rookie QB who is basically handing off until you end up in predictable passing situations.
Keep in mind that Carroll, even though he needs to win now, is still investing in the future. The experience Wilson is getting now can be invaluable later this year and next. If he was able to beat out Flynn as a rookie, Carroll is banking on the upside when he actually knows something. Carroll is just trying to have it both ways - he's trying to throw Wilson into the fire but protect him at the same time.
I think people are forgetting how bad rookie QB's can look.
Keep in mind that Carroll, even though he needs to win now, is still investing in the future. The experience Wilson is getting now can be invaluable later this year and next. If he was able to beat out Flynn as a rookie, Carroll is banking on the upside when he actually knows something. Carroll is just trying to have it both ways - he's trying to throw Wilson into the fire but protect him at the same time.
I think people are forgetting how bad rookie QB's can look.
flc735
Footballguy
i love all the excuses. if weeden had flynn behind him, no one would be coming to his defense like this. wilson can still gain invaluable experience with a clip board. thats how rodgers, brees and brady did it.
flc735
Footballguy
his point is that "The guy just wins games" is not relevant, which you just restated in your reply. (you two agree)wilson is not playing well. the seahawks have another qb that may be able to play better. some think they should find out.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Correct, but you have to realize you're just being fished here. People are saying this to get a rise out of others.
This is wrong. Overall he did play well yesterday. He had one horrible throw in that game and many many good throws. Not sure where you're getting this, but yesterday was his best outing so far. He contributed to a win. The team didn't win in spite of him. He was 19/25 with 8.8 yards per attempt. That's getting it done.More importantly, he was 9/10 on third down for 73 yards. That's getting it done on the money down.
This just isn't going to happen. Its not like a fantasy squad where you can try different players. In the team game that the NFL plays tinkering with the starting quarterback has huge ramifications. Wilson earned the starting job and hasn't played poorly enough to lose it. That said, the NFL means "not for long" when it comes to poor play. He's not close to losing his job as the starter.EDIT: To add some numbers.
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GeauxTigers
Footballguy
They are limiting the offense because of his limited ability as a QB. He is a decent dink and dunk passer and can scramble decently, but he is short and lacks the arms strength.
GeauxTigers
Footballguy
So did Tebow...
GeauxTigers
Footballguy
Wrong...people will say he is not good, well, because he is not very good. That int he threw yesterday where the DB ran it back was one of the worst NFL throws I've seen. He threw the ball to the inside shoulder of a WR who was breaking to the sideline and it was a late throw on top off that.The ONLY reason why Seattle is winning any games is because of the defense and running game. But keep on believing in your 5'10 boy from Wisconsin.
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Hooper31
Footballguy
This is wrong. They're playing a specific variety of football. Killer defense. Control the ball on offense. Its not a reach to say that the Seattle defense might have 7 or 8 pro-bowl caliber players at the moment. They lead the NFL in total defense. Take a look at time of possession. This is an all-encompassing football philosophy. The offense doesn't operate in a vacuum. Carolina's offense never got on track in the first half yesterday because they weren't on the field.
GeauxTigers
Footballguy
LOL...do you think they would play conservative offense if Brady or Manning or Brees was QB? No. He is a solid game manager and has good "intangibles".
Hooper31
Footballguy
Yes, that was a very bad throw.
This is very wrong and shows little to no understanding of what is going on in Seattle.The ONLY reason why Seattle is winning any games is because of the defense and running game. But keep on believing in your 5'10 boy from Wisconsin.
Hooper31
Footballguy
They don't have a Brady or a Manning or a Brees. What would you have them do? Get one? After you realize they can't, what then? Play Flynn hoping he will develop into one? That's a formula that results in year after year mediocrity. Carroll and Schneider have a plan. A script. They have stuck to it for three years. If you go back and listen to every press conference they've done they've been 100% consistent. As a Seattle fan its been refreshing. I'm on board with where they are going.
Neofight
Footballguy
lod01's Rule quoted back to the man himself. Have you watched any Seattle games? You seem to have little to no understanding of the Seattle offense nor Wilson's ability.
matttyl
Footballguy
Actually, this is EXACTLY right! As stated above, this is an "all encompassing philosophy" that includes a killer defense that is currently ranked #1 in the NFL in yards giving up (#5 against the pass and #3 against the run). That defense is tied for 2nd in points allowed with 14 per game. Let's say they were instead tied for #16 (dead center in the NFL) in PPG given up with 22.2. Since they have only scored more than 16 ONE TIME, that would lead me to believe they would be 1-4. Seattle is 28th in terms of points scored per game with 17.2. So again, it's not their offense that's winning them games.This is very wrong and shows little to no understanding of what is going on in Seattle.The ONLY reason why Seattle is winning any games is because of the defense and running game. But keep on believing in your 5'10 boy from Wisconsin.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I believe Wilson's arm strength is superior to Flynn's.
Hooper31
Footballguy
In your opinion the offense gets no credit for dominating time of possession?
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