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Taliban Attempt to Assassinate 14 year old girl in Pakistan (1 Viewer)

'cstu said:
Islam is taking the brunt of the blame for this, but they were behaving like this long before Islam was invented.
That's absolutely true. But, to be fair, the Taliban don't identify themselves as a Pushtun ethnic militia, though they are certainly that too. And when they want to rally support, they don't use Pushto identity as the rallying cry, they use the trappings of Islam. I'm also pretty sure that the donors in the Gulf Arab countries that send money and aid to the Taliban don't do it because they have some deep interest in Afghanistan and Western Pakistan, other than the fact there are Islamic people there. Islamic people that seem to be ready and willing to adopt Wahabbiist doctrine.
 
Red, I'm with you on the despicable acts that go on but what are we to do about it? It's not our country, we're trying to show them a better way, but once we leave they are going to revert back to the last several thousands of years there. There are atrocities in lots of places including North Korea which IMO the work camps that run rampant should just be called concentration camps. Maybe that label would cast a light that cannot be pulled off the situation. I think it's the most disgusting situation of almost any of them right now and nothing seems to make a difference there. How could anyone with a heart or even half a brain in their head allow that to occur in a country they are n charge of, just sick sick sick.

How come the United Nations doesn't step in and put a stop to this. Fear of China? Then tell them they are not welcome in the UN, they also have a lot of BS in that country and many of the folks live in horrible conditions that we would never agree to. Homeless people in this country have it better off than some of those folks in North Korea.

 
Red, I'm with you on the despicable acts that go on but what are we to do about it? It's not our country, we're trying to show them a better way, but once we leave they are going to revert back to the last several thousands of years there.
You do realize this took place in Pakistan, right? Not Afghanistan.Pakistan is a nuclear armed country and is, by some accounts, the number one producer of suicide bombers that are utilized by jihadists in theaters way beyond the AfPak region.The Pakistan Taliban and Haqqani Network are a security issue that will be relevant even after we no longer have boots on the ground in Afghanistan.
 
Red, I'm with you on the despicable acts that go on but what are we to do about it? It's not our country, we're trying to show them a better way, but once we leave they are going to revert back to the last several thousands of years there.
You do realize this took place in Pakistan, right? Not Afghanistan.Pakistan is a nuclear armed country and is, by some accounts, the number one producer of suicide bombers that are utilized by jihadists in theaters way beyond the AfPak region.The Pakistan Taliban and Haqqani Network are a security issue that will be relevant even after we no longer have boots on the ground in Afghanistan.
I didn't know that Red, even still I guess if a country has nukes we just keep going about our business? It sux and we get so worked up over our own issues in this country we lose sight of just being thankful we actually do live here. I know there are some other countries I might dig better but this still is a siesta compared to a lot of other places.
 
Red, I'm with you on the despicable acts that go on but what are we to do about it? It's not our country, we're trying to show them a better way, but once we leave they are going to revert back to the last several thousands of years there.
You do realize this took place in Pakistan, right? Not Afghanistan.Pakistan is a nuclear armed country and is, by some accounts, the number one producer of suicide bombers that are utilized by jihadists in theaters way beyond the AfPak region.

The Pakistan Taliban and Haqqani Network are a security issue that will be relevant even after we no longer have boots on the ground in Afghanistan.
I cant believe that possibly could be true. Do you have a link on that?
 
I cant believe that possibly could be true. Do you have a link on that?
I don't have a link, but I'll look for one.In the reading I have done on the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts several authors have noted the prevelence of suicide bombers recruited from the madrassas in Western Pakistan.Just out of curiosity, why would you find that so hard to believe? Suicide bombers tend not to be locals, by and large.
 
'cstu said:
Islam is taking the brunt of the blame for this, but they were behaving like this long before Islam was invented.
That's absolutely true. But, to be fair, the Taliban don't identify themselves as a Pushtun ethnic militia, though they are certainly that too. And when they want to rally support, they don't use Pushto identity as the rallying cry, they use the trappings of Islam. I'm also pretty sure that the donors in the Gulf Arab countries that send money and aid to the Taliban don't do it because they have some deep interest in Afghanistan and Western Pakistan, other than the fact there are Islamic people there. Islamic people that seem to be ready and willing to adopt Wahabbiist doctrine.
Nothing unites people like a belief in an invisible man in the sky who promises to let you live forever.
 
I cant believe that possibly could be true. Do you have a link on that?
I don't have a link, but I'll look for one.In the reading I have done on the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts several authors have noted the prevelence of suicide bombers recruited from the madrassas in Western Pakistan.Just out of curiosity, why would you find that so hard to believe? Suicide bombers tend not to be locals, by and large.
Arabs tend to be the ones who take conflicts to other regions. For example, there are/were Arab fighters in Afghanistan, but there weren't Afghanis in Iraq. Pakistan is heavily involved in Afghanistan and India and seem to stay more localized. I would have guessed Saudi and Egyptian and Palestinian. I have no data to back any of this up, just what I would have thought.
 
Red, I'm with you on the despicable acts that go on but what are we to do about it? It's not our country, we're trying to show them a better way, but once we leave they are going to revert back to the last several thousands of years there. There are atrocities in lots of places including North Korea which IMO the work camps that run rampant should just be called concentration camps. Maybe that label would cast a light that cannot be pulled off the situation. I think it's the most disgusting situation of almost any of them right now and nothing seems to make a difference there. How could anyone with a heart or even half a brain in their head allow that to occur in a country they are n charge of, just sick sick sick.

How come the United Nations doesn't step in and put a stop to this. Fear of China? Then tell them they are not welcome in the UN, they also have a lot of BS in that country and many of the folks live in horrible conditions that we would never agree to. Homeless people in this country have it better off than some of those folks in North Korea.
Not sure how this swung around to North Korea, but what makes you think the UN is capable of doing anything to put an end to human rights abuses either in North Korea or in Pakistan? There's only one organization anywhere in the world that has the muscle to impose its will on other nations by force, and that's the US. And unfortunately we've learned that the US military isn't very good at changing cultures that don't want to be changed.
 
Arabs tend to be the ones who take conflicts to other regions. For example, there are/were Arab fighters in Afghanistan, but there weren't Afghanis in Iraq.

Pakistan is heavily involved in Afghanistan and India and seem to stay more localized. I would have guessed Saudi and Egyptian and Palestinian. I have no data to back any of this up, just what I would have thought.
Fair points all.This link doesn't back up my assertion, which may have been over-broad, but it is pretty interesting and relevant.

Almost Suicide Bombers Describe Recruitment

The discussion that some of the traditional tribes in the FATA are getting sick of the militants hurting the locals and causing trouble is encouraging. That's exactly what happened in the Sunni Triangle in Iraq.

 
Living proof that these animals arent to be reasoned with, but to be summarily destroyed.
I cant think of war since WWII that has been won by one side destroying the enemy. At best it is extremely rare. Certainty it hasn't been the case for the US post WWII.
 
Arabs tend to be the ones who take conflicts to other regions. For example, there are/were Arab fighters in Afghanistan, but there weren't Afghanis in Iraq.

Pakistan is heavily involved in Afghanistan and India and seem to stay more localized. I would have guessed Saudi and Egyptian and Palestinian. I have no data to back any of this up, just what I would have thought.
Fair points all.This link doesn't back up my assertion, which may have been over-broad, but it is pretty interesting and relevant.

Almost Suicide Bombers Describe Recruitment

The discussion that some of the traditional tribes in the FATA are getting sick of the militants hurting the locals and causing trouble is encouraging. That's exactly what happened in the Sunni Triangle in Iraq.
I agree this is what would drive real change in the region.
 
I agree this is what would drive real change in the region.
The Pakistani military needs to nut up too. The Sunni tribes in Iraq wouldn't have been able to accomplish what they did against AQI without the partnership of the US Army and Marine Corps.The tribes in the FATA won't be able to stand up to the militants (be they Afghan Taliban, Pakistan Taliban or other) without support and assistance from the Pakistani army. The problem being, of course, that there are elements within the Pakistani government (and particularly the ISI) that still support the Taliban(s). Public outrage over this attack on the teen girl may help some of the fence sitters find their morals.
 
Pakistanis Unite in Outrage Over Girl’s Shooting by Taliban

Shakil Adil/Associated Press

The Muttahida Qaumi Movement, a party based in Karachi, prayed for the well being of Malala Yousafzai on Wednesday.

By DECLAN WALSH

Published: October 10, 2012 322 Comments

Pakistanis reacted with outrage to the attack on Malala Yousafzai, whose advocacy of girls’ education had made her powerful symbol of resistance to Taliban ideology.

The attack on Malala Yousafzai occurred in Mingora, Swat Valley’s main town, when masked gunmen stopped a bus carrying schoolgirls who had just taken an exam.

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A Taliban gunman singled out and shot the girl, Malala Yousafzai, on Tuesday, and a spokesman said it was in retaliation for her work in promoting girls’ education and children’s rights in the northwestern Swat Valley, near the Afghan border.

Ms. Yousafzai was removed from immediate danger after the operation in a military hospital in Peshawar early Wednesday, during which surgeons removed a bullet that had passed through her head and lodged in her shoulder, one hospital official said.

The government kept a Boeing jet from the national carrier, Pakistan International Airlines, on standby at the Peshawar airport to fly Ms. Yousafzai to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, for emergency treatment if necessary, although senior officials said she was too weak to fly.

“She is improving. But she is still unconscious,” said Mian Iftikhar Hussain, the provincial information minister, whose only son was shot dead by the Taliban in 2010. He said Ms. Yousafzai remained on a ventilator.

Mr. Hussain announced a government reward of more than $100,000 for information leading to the arrest of her attackers. “Whoever has done it is not a human and does not have a human soul,” he said.

Across the rest of the country, Pakistanis reacted with outrage to the attack on the girl, whose eloquent and determined advocacy of girls’ education had made her a powerful symbol of resistance to Taliban ideology.

“Malala is our pride. She became an icon for the country,” Interior Minister Rehman Malik said.

The army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, visited the Peshawar hospital where Ms. Yousafzai was being treated; in a rare public statement he condemned the “twisted ideology” of the “cowards” who had attacked her. Her parents and a teacher from her school remained at her side in the hospital.

Imran Khan, the cricket star turned opposition politician, offered to pay for her treatment, while officials from his party parried accusations that they were soft on the Taliban.

Last weekend Mr. Khan led a motor cavalcade of supporters to the edge of the tribal belt as part of a demonstration against American drone strikes in the area — a theme that, until now at least, has frequently been a more concentrated focus of public anger than Taliban violence.

Even Jamaat ud Dawa, the charity wing of the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which follows a different strain of Islam from the Taliban, condemned the attack. “Shameful, despicable, barbaric attempt,” read a message on the group’s official Twitter feed. “Curse b upon assassins and perpetrators.”

The anger was amplified by the Taliban’s brazen claims of responsibility for the shooting, and by avowals that the group would attack Ms. Yousafzai again if it got a second chance. Reports circulated that the Taliban had also promised to target her father, Ziauddin Yousafzai, who privately appealed to neighbors from Swat not to visit the hospital in case of a second attack.

In the Swat Valley, private schools remained closed in protest over the attack.

Some commentators wondered whether the shooting would galvanize public opinion against the Taliban in the same way as a video that aired in 2009, showing a Taliban fighter flogging a teenage girl in Swat, had primed public opinion for a large military offensive against the militants that summer.



“The time to root out terrorism has come,” Bushra Gohar of the Awami National Party, which governs Swat and the surrounding Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Province, told Parliament.

But no military drive is in the works in Swat for the moment, officials say — in fact, a large army contingent has occupied the picturesque mountain valley since 2009, which contributed to alarm by the prospect of a Taliban resurgence in the area.

Among some commentators, there was a sense that rage was redundant: that unless Pakistan’s military and civilian leaders drop all equivocation about Islamist extremism, the country is likely to suffer further such traumas.

“We are infected with the cancer of extremism, and unless it is cut out we will slide ever further into the bestiality that this latest atrocity exemplifies,” read an editorial in The News International, a major English-language daily.
 
Girl is a shining example of courage. More men and women in that area should take notes from her, although I doubt I'd be that brave were I in her shoes.

 
It really is incredible how much better some people are than the rest of us.

Malala, Satyarthi win Nobel Peace Prize

Norway — Malala Yousafzai of Pakistan and Kailash Satyarthi of India were jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for their work for children's rights.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee cited the two "for their struggle against the suppression of children and young people and for the right of all children to education."

Malala, 17, is the youngest ever winner of a Nobel Prize. A schoolgirl and education campaigner in Pakistan, she was shot in the head by a Taliban gunman two years ago.

Satyarthi, 60, has maintained the tradition of Mahatma Gandhi and headed various forms of peaceful protests, "focusing on the grave exploitation of children for financial gain," the Nobel committee said.

The Nobel Committee said it "regards it as an important point for a Hindu and a Muslim, an Indian and a Pakistani, to join in a common struggle for education and against extremism."

Malala was barely 11 years old when she began championing girls' education, speaking out in TV interviews. The Taliban had overrun her home town of Mingora, terrorizing residents, threatening to blow up girls' schools, ordering teachers and students into the all-encompassing burqas.

She was critically injured on Oct. 9, 2012, when a Taliban gunman boarded her school bus and shot her in the head. She survived through luck — the bullet did not enter her brain — and by the quick intervention of British doctors who were visiting Pakistan.

Flown to Britain for specialist treatment at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham, she underwent numerous surgeries, but made a strong recovery.

Malala currently lives with her father, mother and two brothers in the English city of Birmingham, attending a local school. She has been showered with human rights prizes, including the European Parliament's Sakharov Award.

Satyarthi has been at the forefront of a global movement to end child slavery and exploitative child labor since 1980 when he gave up a career as an electrical engineer.

As a grassroots activist, he has led the rescue of tens of thousands of child slaves and developed a successful model for their education and rehabilitation.

The founder of the Nobel Prizes, Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel, said the prize committee should give the prize to "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

The committee has interpreted those instructions differently over time, widening the concept of peace work to include efforts to improve human rights, fight poverty and clean up the environment.

"The struggle against suppression and for the rights of children and adolescents contributes to the realization of the "fraternity between nations" that Alfred Nobel mentions in his will," the committee said.

The Nobel Prizes in medicine, chemistry, physics and literature were announced earlier this week. The economics award will be announced on Monday.

All awards will be handed out on Dec. 10, the anniversary of Nobel's death in 1896.
 

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