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Lamar Miller, 2016, Infinity and beyond (3 Viewers)
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Nero
Footballguy
Based on what they have done thus far, the same could be said of Miller.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
2 Things are going on here,
1st their making the most use they can out of Dan while they still can. They gave a lot up for him and unless he explodes he'll be out the door when or even before his contract expires.
2nd their making Miller, a player with red flags all of him when he was drafted, earn it!!! As stated above, if Miller goes out there lights it up this competition is over. If Miller does a so so job while Dan continues from where he left off last pre-season game then this will go on into the early part of the season.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Difference is that we have 5x the sample size on Thomas -- 256 carries vs 51 for Miller. Thomas has been decidedly below average on those carries at 3.5 yards per, while Miller was effective on his limited touches last year. I personally think Miller is seriously over-rated as a talent, but he is still essentially an unknown, so the possibility does exist that he might in fact be a great RB. Thomas has shown me enough that I am pretty much certain he is a plodder with minimal burst and elusiveness, and less power than he should have considering his size. He is a backup level talent at best IMO.
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I've given all you Miller fans plenty of time to at least mention the fact he dropped a very easy 3rd and 2 pass for a 1st down the other night. Lets also not forget about the first play from scrimmage of this years entire pre season. Very pedestrian. Thomas is gonna take this job by the horns this weekend.
barring injury, they will both get 10-15 carries a game to start the season... i dont see how you could see the situation any differently given whats happened this pre-season so far. The coaching staff has no incentive to play one or the other if they are playing equally well
SD1977
Footballguy
This is Daniel Thomas were talking about right? Over 250 lackluster carries and nothing but mediocrity to show for it. Miller has something Thomas does not ... Burst & Elite Speed . He will get more than the preseason to lose this job before they had it to Thomas.
What this topic has turned into is FF Einstein's looking to derail the Milller Hype train and Miller owners looking to defend their guy at all costs.
The kid is young , fast and explosive but raw. Everything Thomas isn't.
What this topic has turned into is FF Einstein's looking to derail the Milller Hype train and Miller owners looking to defend their guy at all costs.
The kid is young , fast and explosive but raw. Everything Thomas isn't.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
As a Miller owner I am completely torn on what to do .... the potential is there, but not proven. I do not know whether to ride him until he boom/busts or trade him now while he still has value for someone who is proven but has injury risks like DMurray.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The easy drop and the initial fumble took some of the sheen off Miller. Hence the sudden "competition." Everything leading up to those two plays was positive. The coaches know he's their guy, but they don't want to hand him the job, especially after a couple mistakes. Pretty simple, imo.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Wow, I recall Calvin Johnson dropping a lot of passes last year, I am pretty sure he fumbled too, and he got stopped at the 1 like 6 times last year. I should trade him, the Lions will cut him soon or give his job to Burelson!
Avery
Footballguy
I want to believe this, and I still kinda do, but this is reminding me a bit of Hillman last year. The staff at FBG was telling us not to listen to the coach-speak, that it was Hillman who was going to be the guy after McGahee was hurt. Moreno was terrible. Ignore what the coach says...
I still think/hope Miller's explosiveness earns him the majority the carries, but as a fantasy football community who tends to focus on athletic ability and offensive potential we often ignore how much pass blocking and ball security factor into a coaches decision at RB.
Our Gang
Footballguy
Fins fan here. The play is miller and handcuff with Gillislee for dynasty. We have seen all we need to from Thomas. Also, this line is built for run blocking with smaller but very athletic players that can get blocks at the second level. Miller will break off some very long td runs.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Great comparison. A 4th round RB with < 60 career touches who couldn't even advance higher than 3rd string just last year has obviously earned as long a leash as a future HOF receiver. Keep on guzzling that Kool Aid!
JackReacher
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
Lamar....is not a fumbler. One of the very best at ball security. In fact they use his grip and handle of the ball as an example to the other backs in Dolphins camp.
#### happens, it was a bothed handoff...Miller made a mistake. He dropped a swing pass because he was looking upfield and believe me....he won't drop many of those.
For all of you with doubts...Lamar Miller has taken every single rep since May OTA's and mini camps as well as training camp with only the first team offense. Until this week.....Daniel Thomas never took any reps with the first team. Not one.
This is just to get Lamars attention and I am positive you will see Lamar show something Saturday night.....and be well on his way to a solid second year as the Dolphins starting tailback.
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Todem
Footballguy
Good advice....but Gillislee has to show something. I think he will...thus far though....not that good. But he is rookie and learning an entirely new playbook. But with RB's they normally adapt quickly. But I agree with you. DT is a goner when his contract is up....maybe sooner if we can get a sucker to trade us anything for him.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Yes, it is. The staff has watched these guys all summer long (and last season) and know exactly what they offer. Up until just a week ago or so it was all Miller and now they've seen so much from a handful of preseason carries that it's all out the window? Not everything that is said is gospel. Look at the whole picture. A team's actions along with the words are often enough to give you an idea what's going on.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The comparison might be bad but the over reaction to 2 plays in the preseason is the same.Coeur de Lion said:
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Please please don't name Miller as the starter until after my draft on Sunday.
SD1977
Footballguy
That should end this discussion 0.4YPC I'll be shocked if he even makes the 53 man roster.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Missed the game. How did Miller look?
I thought he ran well, showed good burst and perhaps even more importantly, correctly picked up his assignments on blitzes and pass protected well.
Daniel Thomas also pass protected well from what I saw, however the talent discrepancy between him and Miller is obvious. Thomas looked sluggish all game -- there was one run where he was heading towards the sidelines when he should have cut inside and he ended up running into his own offensive lineman and fell down.
By the way, I own both Miller and Thomas. It's clear that the Dolphins have a better shot of winning with Miller getting the majority of the touches, but the question is whether the coaches agree. There have been many instances of RBs sharing touches when one was clearly better than the other; let's hope the situation in Miami won't transform into such. Miller is the far better back.
pretty sure the whole point of this thread is that almost all observers believe that they will not play "equally well" given the history.
moleculo
Footballguy
Can't say I got him on the cheap (I had him since his rookie year in my dynasty team and drafted him at 2.12 in my redraft this year) but I sure am glad I didn't act on the Daniel thomas noise that was getting louder and louder over the last 2 weeks. I have to admit the talk started getting to me and I started wondering if I made the wrong move takin miller. But it was getting to me mostly BC of millers lackluster play not what people were saying about thomas.
I'm still a little worried about miller and have lowered my expectations for him in 2013. At one point I felt he is so talented he could end up as an rb1 this year. But he hasn't shown me enough in this preseason to solidify that belief. Now I'm tempering my expectations and I'd be happy if he was a top 20rb this year.
The real point to drive home here is this: even if he wins the starting job, it's still concerning that he didn't blow Daniel thomas out of the water during training camp games and practices. He was pegged by many as the next Clinton Portis.
2nd year Clinton Portis would not have a problem blowing thomas out of the water if he were in the dolphins training camp in 2013.
So miller still has question marks surrounding him that only the season playing out can answer IMO.
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Todem
Footballguy
He did blow Thomas out of the water in practices.....he took every single rep with the first team since May and still going. Only this past week did DT take some snaps with the first team in practice.
Don't worry. And pre-season.....was nothing. Until Saturday night Miller got 9 carries. Don't read into pre-season so much.
Miller will deliever very solid RB2 numbers....especially in PPR. He is a good pass catcher (despite his drop 2 weeks ago against the Texans that was talked about for a week....one stinkin dropped pass) as well and they will make sure they throw swings and screens to him to get him in the open field where he will destroy defenses with his speed. I would guess if he and Wallace had a race...it would be a dead heat.
DT will be gone after this season and IMO out of the league.
timschochet
Footballguy
Very excited, got Lamar Miller as my 4th running back last night: McCoy, Chris Johnson, Lacy, Miller. Had to sacrifice at other positions (my best Wrs are Vincent Jackson and Torrey Smith) but I think it was well worth it.
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
Personally, my 3rd round redraft picks are reserved for David Wilson or Miller. I've owned Daniel Thomas a couple of times, so I've seen that show. In addition to being a plodder he has a long list of injury problems (hamstring, concussion, knee).
Don't know if Miller will star or be a bust, but I like the talent that I have seen and believe that the opportunity will be there. That's worth a 3rd round pick in my book.
Don't know if Miller will star or be a bust, but I like the talent that I have seen and believe that the opportunity will be there. That's worth a 3rd round pick in my book.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Grab Wilson in the 3rd and cross your fingers that Lamar falls to the 4th....it happens.
Faust
MVP
i got the same guys less mjd, so im in even worse shape... i need miller and wilson to perform this year
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
That's what I will do. Alas one of the guys drafting after me is a Miller fan, I'd be pretty surprised if he passed on him twice. Never know though
Rodeojones
Footballguy
I got Miller as my RB2 in the 5th round of a 12 team ppr league. Draft was last week....
Grahamburn
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
From Sigmund Bloom:
This Lamar Miller/Daniel Thomas “competition” just reeks of the kind of situation where we wish we have stuck with our original evaluation. Miller is good enough to have strong RB3/Flex value in a timeshare, and as long as he stays healthy, he’ll seize the starting job very soon. Don’t let him fall past the fifth round….
This Lamar Miller/Daniel Thomas “competition” just reeks of the kind of situation where we wish we have stuck with our original evaluation. Miller is good enough to have strong RB3/Flex value in a timeshare, and as long as he stays healthy, he’ll seize the starting job very soon. Don’t let him fall past the fifth round….
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Lamar Miller, what to make of you!
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
When he goes off for 350 yards in the first three weeks, people are going to be all over him. If you want him, get him before the season starts.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I know his carries are limited but he does look the part. I'm thinking of pairing him with Ray Rice in my PPR.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Got LM as a flex in a keeper league and I am thrilled about it.
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