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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (8 Viewers)
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Officer Pete Malloy
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
A) Yea, I think so. And for all of Theon's failings- he did love the Starks. Motivation of protecting can be much more powerful than self-preservation in some instances but I think much more so when you have been beaten down like Theon has.
B) Theon seemed to have a moment there when he said "ward of Edard Stark". I think that impacted him.
If Theon acts, I don't think the dinner scene would adequate explain someone going from refusing to get out of a cell when his sister came to save him to someone willing to do something because Ramsay has his little sick fun at the dinner.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Despite the controversial Ramsay/Theon/Sansa scene and the sand snakes warrior princesses scene, I think the trial scene was the most cringe worthy. Nothing about it was plausible, the dialogue was terrible and the acting by everyone except maybe Dianna Rigg was pretty bad too.
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Some background info that has been glossed over in the show:
At this point in the story Reek has completely lost his mind, and has no recollection of "Theon". There has to be something dramatic that causes him to snap out of the brainwashing that Ramsey has put him through.
In the story, the girl is a fake Arya, who nontheless knows Theon, and Theon plays a more active role in her wedding night "bliss" - required to get her moist for Ramsey.
In the show the scene was almost entirely focused on Theon for a reason - its the impact on him that has the chance to cause him to act, or to crawl back into his shell. His downfall has been traumatic, and it would take a trauma to bring him out of it.
In the story, the girl is a fake Arya, who nontheless knows Theon, and Theon plays a more active role in her wedding night "bliss" - required to get her moist for Ramsey.
In the show the scene was almost entirely focused on Theon for a reason - its the impact on him that has the chance to cause him to act, or to crawl back into his shell. His downfall has been traumatic, and it would take a trauma to bring him out of it.
Drifter
Footballguy
There wasn't even any good tension in it. Everybody knew exactly how it was going to go and what was happening and the testimony of the lover was completely unbelievable. Like that guy has been treated well by the Sparrows? He wouldn't have been terrified and a little roughed up? Instead, he's all coy and shmarmy? Horrible
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Is anyone here "really disturbed" by this or arguing that? I just understand that people have different triggers and things that bother them. I get that rape would be an emotional and hot button topic, and I was arguing that it was lazy and unnecessary, but as TF also said, Thunderlips has laid out some good points and soften my stance a tad on it as well.
I already said that personally I thought Robbs wife at the Red Wedding was hard for me to see. Otherwise, I think they have done a decent job of showing the aftermath of terrible things- burnt kids, Theon's junk, etc.
Nothing is bad enough to make me stop watching.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Not sure about "here" but it seems there are quite a few people that are losing their #### over it.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
There were so many possible retorts to his testimony that would have worked as well. Instead we'll just yell stuff like "you can't do this.!!!" And give each other stupid looks.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yep, and there are reasons for that, of which we have been debating for a couple pages.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I think all the salient points have been made. In the end, it's just a t.v. show. Probably time to move on to other stuff. Like why Jamie didn't let Bronn finish his little song. That really upset me.What?Good lord.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Circles...we're going in them.
And this show has gotten so bad this season I don't even want to bother discussing how Sansa was asking for it any more.
And this show has gotten so bad this season I don't even want to bother discussing how Sansa was asking for it any more.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The thing I didn't get was why the lover seemed so happy and smug to give the testimony. I also got a kick out of how the Kingsguard were ready to start chopping heads off and Tommen does nothing. It is such a drastic difference going from Joefrey to Tommen. One that would have chopped off the Sparrows head before he spoke to the other who wont even do anything when his Queen and wife gets hauled away.
I didn't really note any bad acting in it and didn't think any of the lines were off.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
It is interesting that Tyrion's trial just one year ago was some of the better stuff of the season, and this was auch a dud. Not sure if it is the stakes, the actors, the characters, or what. But agree that it was clunky.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Not really a spoiler but in the books Ramsey puts it in her butt, so it's technically not rape
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KarmaPolice
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Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
And? Never said anything about whether works of fiction should have these things in them. I can understand people being upset with certain scenes and that this show has a history of this.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Not as much, but I remember there being rumblings. It is a different scene, and that was brought up too.
Again, a big catalyst is there being multiple scenes over multiple years, especially the botched scene last year.
The General
Footballguy
Exactly. Have been really busy at work but keep seeing this story pop up about how pissed / disturbed people are. WTF have they been watching, and oh yeah it's just a show.
Weird.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Just curious - none of you reacting like this have ever been effected by a movie or tv show? Nothing has scared you, made you cry, upset you?
I agree that it is going overboard saying you are going to stop watching or covering the show over one scene, but a lot of you seem to think it is weird that people are even having a reaction to this.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Its designed to make people feel/react/be disturbed, I think it's the outrage that confuses me, except its the internet and faux-outrage is basically what its for.
The General
Footballguy
Sure. This show has been filled with miserable people, death, rape, tragedy, murder, flaying, fetus stabbing, etc. The whole show is pretty awful if you think about it, everything builds up to some terrible sequence of events.
Not sure why this is shocking anyone.
Again I have been out of touch this week more than normal but seems like there is more talk about this week than other messed stuff that has happened. Have heard it being talked about on sports talk radio show that never talks about pop culture stuff.
Tusken Raider
Footballguy
Sadly overlooked from all of the Sansa/Ramsey/Reek talk was the week's best one liner, delivered by the Queen of Thorns.
"Ugh, you can smell the #### from five miles away..."
"Ugh, you can smell the #### from five miles away..."
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The General
Footballguy
She is one of the better characters. Expecting some major payback from her in up coming episodes.Sadly overlooked from all of the Sansa/Ramsey/Reek scene talk was this week's one liner:
Oleanna Tyrell, while on approach to King's Landing - "Ugh, you can smell the #### from five miles away..."
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
bentley
Footballguy
Because it was unnecessary and representative of a season that is creaking along with no apparent direction??
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Definitely a top 5 character for me on the show. She was a much needed shot in the arm this season.She is one of the better characters. Expecting some major payback from her in up coming episodes.Sadly overlooked from all of the Sansa/Ramsey/Reek scene talk was this week's one liner:
Oleanna Tyrell, while on approach to King's Landing - "Ugh, you can smell the #### from five miles away..."
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Has anyone asked if what Ramsey did to Sansa was "legitimate" or not? Some people claim rape can be a beautiful thing if a baby is the result of it.
Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.
Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Great point. It was very obvious what was going to happen. I didn't really think about LF's guy and you are absolutely right that he acted like he was in on the sting all along instead of being a beaten up, terrified prisoner.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
mozzy84
Footballguy
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
In fairness this wasn't a trial, it was a preliminary hearing. I assume it's setting up a more dramatic trial later in the season but was necessary to get Margaery arrested and show Tommen's inaction.
Spin
Footballguy
Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.
Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?
Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.
Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.
Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?
Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.
Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The fact that last time she was married, to Tyrion, they were ordered to consummate the marriage for one. There are plenty of examples where the wives are expected to obey and serve their Lords (husbands). I think you're still confusing the fiction with real life.
