Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)

[Sinn Fein]

Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.

Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?

Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.

Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.

Brienne still figures in the Sansa story...maybe killing Stannis after he sacks Winterfell as revenge for Renly.

 

[Spin]

Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.

Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?

Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.

Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.

Brienne still figures in the Sansa story...maybe killing Stannis after he sacks Winterfell as revenge for Renly.

Ah yah, I had forgotten about her. They're really painting Stannis into a good guy the last episodes he's been in, going back to last season when he stormed the wildling camp.

Someone has to do something about the Freys... right? They havn't really been mentioned much since the Red Wedding really.

 

[KarmaPolice]

It's clearly not rape according to the law in the seven kingdoms.

Now we are going to get real nerdy: what evidence are basing this on?

The fact that last time she was married, to Tyrion, they were ordered to consummate the marriage for one. There are plenty of examples where the wives are expected to obey and serve their Lords (husbands). I think you're still confusing the fiction with real life.

But they didn't and she was treated with respect. Most of the wedding nights we have seen haven't been this way. Just because the expectation is there to consummate, doesn't mean it is forced on the bride if she is not having it that night. I dont see many characters we know going down this route either.

Anyway, it is a ####### show, so on to #####ing about the sand snakes!!

 

[KarmaPolice]

Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.

Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?

Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.

Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.

Brienne still figures in the Sansa story...maybe killing Stannis after he sacks Winterfell as revenge for Renly.

I think Brienne takes out a Bolton, fulfilling her promise to protect Sansa. But yeah, it seems to be building up to an epic battle at Winterfell at the end of the season as Stannis and the Boltons duke it out as others swirl around too. Is Theon's sister still running around out there too?

 

[Amused to Death]

Some background info that has been glossed over in the show:

Spoiler

At this point in the story Reek has completely lost his mind, and has no recollection of "Theon". There has to be something dramatic that causes him to snap out of the brainwashing that Ramsey has put him through.

In the story, the girl is a fake Arya, who nontheless knows Theon, and Theon plays a more active role in her wedding night "bliss" - required to get her moist for Ramsey.

In the show the scene was almost entirely focused on Theon for a reason - its the impact on him that has the chance to cause him to act, or to crawl back into his shell. His downfall has been traumatic, and it would take a trauma to bring him out of it.

Spoiler

I would have liked to see the backlash if they would have included that part of it.

My thoughts as well as I keep reading all the outrage. Imagine if that scene had played out the way GRRM actually wrote it. Remember, a lot of the characters are older on the screen than they are in the "things that don't exist" so they wouldn't violate child decency laws. Sansa, Margery, Tommen, Marcella (apparently), Arya, Joffery...all had a fews years added to their characters.

Now imagine a younger version of Arya in that scene.

 

[KarmaPolice]

My question to you guys is: how many of your favorite characters on the show are still in play or how many truly interesting characters are still running around?

I think my overall problem with this season is that if I had to rank my top 10 favorite/most interesting characters on the show ever, I think they have killed off over 1/2 for me, and 4 went just last season (we will see if the Hound is actually dead). IMO they got rid of the only 2 interesting villains in the 2 Lannisters.

I think maybe the writing and story has taken a dip, but I think moreso the characters I like are growing fewer and fewer, and if we say goodbye to Bronn there will be one less.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I hope that by the end of this season every single character gets raped.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I hope that by the end of this season every single character gets raped.

New shtick will be every episode ends with a rape.

 

[tonydead]

Jesus Christ dude, this is the second time Sansa's gotten married against her will. In a row. If you can't see how that happening in of it's self speaks to what's acceptable or not in their world I'm afraid I can't help you.

 

[Thunderlips]

My question to you guys is: how many of your favorite characters on the show are still in play or how many truly interesting characters are still running around?

I think my overall problem with this season is that if I had to rank my top 10 favorite/most interesting characters on the show ever, I think they have killed off over 1/2 for me, and 4 went just last season (we will see if the Hound is actually dead). IMO they got rid of the only 2 interesting villains in the 2 Lannisters.

I think maybe the writing and story has taken a dip, but I think moreso the characters I like are growing fewer and fewer, and if we say goodbye to Bronn there will be one less.

Yeah, that was me in the books as well.

Joffery, Tywin, Oberyn and The Hound were all memorable characters. Robb, Eddard, Robert Baratheon were quality characters. Even reduced role characters, Edmure Tully, BlackFish, Walder Frey, Lysa, Mance Rayder, Jeor Mormont....who had quality actors doing good jobs with the characters are more or less gone.

Bronn is top notch and L.Finger and Cersei chew up

 

[KarmaPolice]

Jesus Christ dude, this is the second time Sansa's gotten married against her will. In a row. If you can't see how that happening in of it's self speaks to what's acceptable or not in their world I'm afraid I can't help you.

We are not talking about arranged marriages. Just about all of the marriages are arranged that we have seen. Sure it is the expectation that some sex will happen that night, but that does not equate to it being the law of the land to rape your wife like Ramsey did.

Now we are just arguing to argue though.

 

[KarmaPolice]

My question to you guys is: how many of your favorite characters on the show are still in play or how many truly interesting characters are still running around?

I think my overall problem with this season is that if I had to rank my top 10 favorite/most interesting characters on the show ever, I think they have killed off over 1/2 for me, and 4 went just last season (we will see if the Hound is actually dead). IMO they got rid of the only 2 interesting villains in the 2 Lannisters.

I think maybe the writing and story has taken a dip, but I think moreso the characters I like are growing fewer and fewer, and if we say goodbye to Bronn there will be one less.

Yeah, that was me in the books as well.

Joffery, Tywin, Oberyn and The Hound were all memorable characters. Robb, Eddard, Robert Baratheon were quality characters. Even reduced role characters, Edmure Tully, BlackFish, Walder Frey, Lysa, Mance Rayder, Jeor Mormont....who had quality actors doing good jobs with the characters are more or less gone.

Bronn is top notch and L.Finger and Cersei chew up

Combine that with the few characters I like doing boring stuff. Jamie had a great story going with his turnaround, now he is on a roadtrip fighting teenagers. Arya I am confident has a good end game, but so far I have found her training confusing and mostly meh. Littlefinger still interesting to me, and the Queen of Thorns always brings the goods.

 

[kentric]

Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.

Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?

Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.

Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.

I believe the majority of his army was done away with. If you recall, the Hound saw what was going on and yanked Arya out of the fight. The Frey side had their men attack the mostly unarmed Robb army.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.

Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?

Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.

Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.

I believe the majority of his army was done away with. If you recall, the Hound saw what was going on and yanked Arya out of the fight. The Frey side had their men attack the mostly unarmed Robb army.

I assumed the survivors are scattered across the north.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

My question to you guys is: how many of your favorite characters on the show are still in play or how many truly interesting characters are still running around?

I think my overall problem with this season is that if I had to rank my top 10 favorite/most interesting characters on the show ever, I think they have killed off over 1/2 for me, and 4 went just last season (we will see if the Hound is actually dead). IMO they got rid of the only 2 interesting villains in the 2 Lannisters.

I think maybe the writing and story has taken a dip, but I think moreso the characters I like are growing fewer and fewer, and if we say goodbye to Bronn there will be one less.

Tyrion and Arya are my 2 favorite characters. Then Jon Snow. After that I don't know if I care enough about any other characters or story lines besised Sansa, Littlefinger and Cersei. Even Jamie at this point can die and I don't think I'd really care all that much.

 

[Spin]

Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.

Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?

Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.

Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.

I believe the majority of his army was done away with. If you recall, the Hound saw what was going on and yanked Arya out of the fight. The Frey side had their men attack the mostly unarmed Robb army.

Yah, but I didn't think Robb took his whole army with him. Just a small portion while the rest waited... elsewhere. I'll see if I can find where they talk about it again, because I thought it was just a small portion.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.

Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?

Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.

Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.

I believe the majority of his army was done away with. If you recall, the Hound saw what was going on and yanked Arya out of the fight. The Frey side had their men attack the mostly unarmed Robb army.

Yah, but I didn't think Robb took his whole army with him. Just a small portion while the rest waited... elsewhere. I'll see if I can find where they talk about it again, because I thought it was just a small portion.

Good point. I guess the rest would have been back at Riverrun. After the Freys took out Robb, i would assume they couldn't get back north easily since the Freys control that bridge and the Boltons are hanging around. I would think that means they are probably scattered around Riverrun somewhere.

 

[Spin]

Seriously, we've discussed this scene ad nauseam, with pretty much every view/opinion brought up for both sides.

Let's move on to other stuff, like Bronn's certain impending death. Now that Jaimie is captured, and it was obvious the Lannisters were trying to get their daughter out, how does that impact the relationships with Dorne?

Stannis has to be close to winterfell by now, right? Stannis/Boltons fight this massive battle. During the fight, Theon recovers, having been finally pushed over the edge, tells Sansa the truth about her brothers. At some point during the battle Theon/Sansa kill Ramsey. Stannis wins the fight only to have LittleFinger arrive and take him and his remaining army out, Stannis has just become too sympathetic, and is expendable after removing the Boltons from power. The red queen returns to the wall with Jon. Sansa and Little finger now run the North.

Whatever happened to Robb's army anyhow? I know his personal guard and a few of his warriors all got slain at the red wedding, but didn't he have this massive army? I guess they all returned to their respective castles? What if this is season is all about how Sansa becomes this hardened vengeful leader of these armies. They've said at least 10x now that "the north remembers". I can see Sansa leading an army against the Freys to get revenge for the red wedding.

I believe the majority of his army was done away with. If you recall, the Hound saw what was going on and yanked Arya out of the fight. The Frey side had their men attack the mostly unarmed Robb army.

Yah, but I didn't think Robb took his whole army with him. Just a small portion while the rest waited... elsewhere. I'll see if I can find where they talk about it again, because I thought it was just a small portion.

Welps:

The events of the Red Wedding effectively end the conflict between House Stark and House Lannister in a decisive victory for King ​Joffrey Baratheon and House Lannister. Not only was Robb Stark himself killed in the betrayal, but the entire Northern army that Robb Stark led to southern Westeros was also destroyed - save only for those forces of House Karstark which had earlier abandoned Robb to return home, and the forces of House Bolton which turned on the other Northern Houses. For his part in the betrayal, Lord Frey was granted the castle of Riverrun and promised Lannister protection from any northern retaliation. Lord Walder had his men capture Edmure Tully out of his marriage bed alive, as Riverrun has not yet fallen to Lannister forces and Lord Edmure is a valuable hostage to hopefully negotiate its surrender in the near future. Roose Bolton, for his part in the Red Wedding, is awarded the title of Warden of the North, drastically elevating his House's stature.[2]The Boltons are also granted the lands of Winterfell itself.[4]

 

[larch]

What hole did Ramsey enter?

 

[shadyridr]

What hole did Ramsey enter?

The one you crawled out of

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

What hole did Ramsey enter?

Already been covered, Scoop.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Has anyone asked if what Ramsey did to Sansa was "legitimate" or not? Some people claim rape can be a beautiful thing if a baby is the result of it.

Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.

I just don't understand why he wanted Reek to watch. Please just kill Reek and that whole story line, it just doesn't fit in.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Has anyone asked if what Ramsey did to Sansa was "legitimate" or not? Some people claim rape can be a beautiful thing if a baby is the result of it.

Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.

I just don't understand why he wanted Reek to watch. Please just kill Reek and that whole story line, it just doesn't fit in.

It's "sexier" that way.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Has anyone asked if what Ramsey did to Sansa was "legitimate" or not? Some people claim rape can be a beautiful thing if a baby is the result of it.

Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.

I just don't understand why he wanted Reek to watch. Please just kill Reek and that whole story line, it just doesn't fit in.

It's "sexier" that way.

Maybe if he forced the other chick to watch but Reek.......WTF?

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Jesus Christ dude, this is the second time Sansa's gotten married against her will. In a row. If you can't see how that happening in of it's self speaks to what's acceptable or not in their world I'm afraid I can't help you.

We are not talking about arranged marriages. Just about all of the marriages are arranged that we have seen. Sure it is the expectation that some sex will happen that night, but that does not equate to it being the law of the land to rape your wife like Ramsey did.

Now we are just arguing to argue though.

no we're not

 

[shadyridr]

Has anyone asked if what Ramsey did to Sansa was "legitimate" or not? Some people claim rape can be a beautiful thing if a baby is the result of it.

Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.

I just don't understand why he wanted Reek to watch. Please just kill Reek and that whole story line, it just doesn't fit in.

It's "sexier" that way.

Maybe if he forced the other chick to watch but Reek.......WTF?

WTF? Hes been torturing Reek for 3 seasons now. Are you really this thick?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Has anyone asked if what Ramsey did to Sansa was "legitimate" or not? Some people claim rape can be a beautiful thing if a baby is the result of it.

Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.

I just don't understand why he wanted Reek to watch. Please just kill Reek and that whole story line, it just doesn't fit in.

He cut Reeks #### off. So, forcing Reek to watch as Ramsey takes Sansa reminds Reek that he has no ####, and is powerless to stop Ramsey. It also serves to remind Sansa who is the boss.

 

[Spin]

Which scene was worse. The sand snakes fighting Bronn/Jamie or the weird guy throwing fireballs at Skeletons chasing Brann?

 

[IC FBGCav]

Has anyone asked if what Ramsey did to Sansa was "legitimate" or not? Some people claim rape can be a beautiful thing if a baby is the result of it.

Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.

I just don't understand why he wanted Reek to watch. Please just kill Reek and that whole story line, it just doesn't fit in.

He cut Reeks #### off. So, forcing Reek to watch as Ramsey takes Sansa reminds Reek that he has no ####, and is powerless to stop Ramsey. It also serves to remind Sansa who is the boss.

I understand but it is just lame to me. He already cut his #### off, like this has any impact..........ugh.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Which scene was worse. The sand snakes fighting Bronn/Jamie or the weird guy throwing fireballs at Skeletons chasing Brann?

Ooooh. Good question. I still say sand snakes.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Has anyone asked if what Ramsey did to Sansa was "legitimate" or not? Some people claim rape can be a beautiful thing if a baby is the result of it.

Just wondering where we are in the "real life" vs. seven kingdoms debate.

I just don't understand why he wanted Reek to watch. Please just kill Reek and that whole story line, it just doesn't fit in.

He cut Reeks #### off. So, forcing Reek to watch as Ramsey takes Sansa reminds Reek that he has no ####, and is powerless to stop Ramsey. It also serves to remind Sansa who is the boss.

I understand but it is just lame to me. He already cut his #### off, like this has any impact..........ugh.

maybe it's a set up scene that will reveal itself next week, or maybe it's their own little homage to Juice in SOA

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You're gay if you wouldn't rape Sansa.

 

[stbugs]

Which scene was worse. The sand snakes fighting Bronn/Jamie or the weird guy throwing fireballs at Skeletons chasing Brann?

Ooooh. Good question. I still say sand snakes.

Sand snakes in a land slide. I don't think there has been a scene outside of their two ones so far that I felt like I was watching a completely different show. Their scenes so far IMHO have been the weakest of the show so far. I wouldn't mind if we never saw them again.

 

[Spin]

Which scene was worse. The sand snakes fighting Bronn/Jamie or the weird guy throwing fireballs at Skeletons chasing Brann?

Ooooh. Good question. I still say sand snakes.

Sand snakes in a land slide. I don't think there has been a scene outside of their two ones so far that I felt like I was watching a completely different show. Their scenes so far IMHO have been the weakest of the show so far. I wouldn't mind if we never saw them again.

Just went back and rewatched this scene. It's pretty bad as well.

 

[dhockster]

Since Roose Bolton married a Frey, it will be interesting to see if the Frey's get involved with the fight against Stannis.

 

[The Captain]

I get what you're saying about Drogo's lifestyle, but in this world it's pretty much everyone that is depicted as "bad"s lifestyle. Didn't the mountain rape Oberyns sister? Didn't Ramsey's dad just tell him the story about raping the villager that turned into his mom? Weren't those men about to rape Sansa before the Hound stepped in? They've pretty much shown that it's very much a part of this world. Didn't surprise me at all.

Sure, but for every example that you list in Westeros, there are a few characters we know that wouldn't do that. So it isn't the norm in Westeros except for #######s like Ramsey and outlaw bandits. Drogo's was the only culture depicted where that seemed to be part of the lifestyle.

we rewatched the first episode, where this happens. definitely more apart of the culture as KP says, and less violent when it actually does happen. drogo doesn't rip apart her clothes, he carefully undoes them. tearful resignation is the same for both women- but the drogo/dany scene gets cut before any screaming happens. the ripped clothes plus the screaming- plus knowing what we know of Ramsay- makes that one worse IMO.

I think the biggest difference is that they Drogo/Dany scene, and pretty much every other depiction of rape or violence or sex on the show, makes you feel a certain way about the characters or moved the story forward. The Ramsay/Sansa/Theon scene didn't do that at all, it was 100% gratuitous. Everyone already hates Ramsay and understands he's a sadistic monster. Everyone already feels terrible for Sansa and Theon. We even saw the dynamic at work between the three in the far better scene at the dinner table the previous week when Ramsay made Theon apologize to Sansa for "killing" her siblings.

Gratuitous material on TV and on this show is nothing new, but generally people are OK with it because we get that some people enjoy it. People like looking at boobs. People like looking at fake violence. But the idea of depicting a rape because you think the audience wants to see it is kind of disturbing.

Unless the scene serves to bring Theon and Sansa together in a united front against Ramsay. Theon is so buried deep inside Reek that it would take something like seeing the little girl he grew up with and thought of as a sister being terrorized by Ramsay for Theon to finally overcome his Reekness. The shared experience could also open a door for Sansa to be open to listening to Theon if he tells her that he didn't kill her brothers.

Just a theory.

ETA: And I just now read Sinn Fein's post about the scene.

 

[larch]

This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by shadyridr. View it anyway?

One of the best things I ever done. Don't have to read crap spewed by this tool.

GB ignore feature!!!

 

[larch]

What hole did Ramsey enter?

Already been covered, Scoop.

Sorry. I did not read the entire thread. Didn't feel like reading everything since I just caught the episode last night.

 

[TLEF316]

Even if Sansa believes that theon didn't kill bran and rickon, he still killed sir rodrik.

Maybe that probably doesn't mean as much to Sansa at it did to bran (he obviously had more interactions with the boys training them to fight), it's still a pretty big offense. Can't imagine she'd just forgive him.

 

[Chadstroma]

Which scene was worse. The sand snakes fighting Bronn/Jamie or the weird guy throwing fireballs at Skeletons chasing Brann?

Sand snakes and it is not even close.

I saw this youtube that basically ran a laugh track along for the scenes leading up to the fight and then the Benny Hill chase music for the fight with it sped up a tad. Awesomeness.

 

[The Duff Man]

I am excited to find out who they cast as the dwarf #### merchant.

 

[Chadstroma]

Which scene was worse. The sand snakes fighting Bronn/Jamie or the weird guy throwing fireballs at Skeletons chasing Brann?

Ooooh. Good question. I still say sand snakes.

Sand snakes in a land slide. I don't think there has been a scene outside of their two ones so far that I felt like I was watching a completely different show. Their scenes so far IMHO have been the weakest of the show so far. I wouldn't mind if we never saw them again.

I was willing to forgive the Sand Snake intro as falling flat but the fight was just ridiculous. Seriously- it is so out of place from the high quality of acting, directing, and production in every other part of this show. I mean, you have A1 stuff in the entire show and then you have this B roll crap with the Sand Snakes.

 

[Chadstroma]

Since Roose Bolton married a Frey, it will be interesting to see if the Frey's get involved with the fight against Stannis.

You think Walder cares about his married off daughter?

Walder will do whatever is in his best interest if pushed into it. He will sit at the twin towers (isnt that what the crossing is called? something like that) and do nothing. No way he comes up to the North to fight for Bolton. No way.

 

[CBusAlex]

I am excited to find out who they cast as the dwarf #### merchant.

Spoiler

Christoper Walken

 

[Chadstroma]

Even if Sansa believes that theon didn't kill bran and rickon, he still killed sir rodrik.

Maybe that probably doesn't mean as much to Sansa at it did to bran (he obviously had more interactions with the boys training them to fight), it's still a pretty big offense. Can't imagine she'd just forgive him.

There is no common knowledge of how Ser Rodrik died. Only one that knows that could tell her is Theon.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I am excited to find out who they cast as the dwarf #### merchant.

Spoiler

Christoper Walken

This dwarf

has a ####

and I want it.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I hope that by the end of this season every single character gets raped.

I hope your face gets raped!

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Which scene was worse. The sand snakes fighting Bronn/Jamie or the weird guy throwing fireballs at Skeletons chasing Brann?

fireballs rule

 

[kentric]

You're gay if you wouldn't rape Sansa.

So you're saying Reek is gay? I mean lacking a #### makes it a bit difficult to penetrate.

 

[dhockster]

Since Roose Bolton married a Frey, it will be interesting to see if the Frey's get involved with the fight against Stannis.

You think Walder cares about his married off daughter?

Walder will do whatever is in his best interest if pushed into it. He will sit at the twin towers (isnt that what the crossing is called? something like that) and do nothing. No way he comes up to the North to fight for Bolton. No way.

Fair point about Walder. I guess if Bolton goes down, he would ditch the Lannisters and give Allegiance to Stannis, so as not to have to fight him?