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I went back and deleted my literary take on the fates of Tyrion, et al, too. :shrug:

I think the problem is that I watch dramas like a writer, make presumptions, and have no fear of presenting those presumptions factually. It's an active approach.

This seems like more of a passive approach, watch-then-react thread.

That's okay. :shrug:

I won't present any more thoughts here out of fear that somebody who's read the books will jump in, confirm them, and then scream spoiler. I've got no interest in raining on anyone's good time, or having anyone tell me how to have my own. Enjoy, all. :)

All of us non book readers would love to discuss predictions. But it's difficult when there are book readers who continue to post in here. Even when we're trying to predict who will die next episode, book readers are responding for whatever reason.

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I took Freelove's post as speculation. Bookreader freaking out and confirming it was way worse. :shrug:

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I went back and deleted my literary take on the fates of Tyrion, et al, too. :shrug:

I think the problem is that I watch dramas like a writer, make presumptions, and have no fear of presenting those presumptions factually. It's an active approach.

This seems like more of a passive approach, watch-then-react thread.

That's okay. :shrug:

I won't present any more thoughts here out of fear that somebody who's read the books will jump in, confirm them, and then scream spoiler. I've got no interest in raining on anyone's good time, or having anyone tell me how to have my own. Enjoy, all. :)

All of us non book readers would love to discuss predictions. But it's difficult when there are book readers who continue to post in here. Even when we're trying to predict who will die next episode, book readers are responding for whatever reason.

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I took Freelove's post as speculation. Bookreader freaking out and confirming it was way worse. :shrug:

I didn't confirm or deny any of his speculations, nor have I ever done so in this thread. I asked that he redact a statement made in passing about something that has not happened in the show yet which was not in any way stated as a speculation.

Basically I tried to do all the uptight non book readers a favor, because I've seen them have conniptions about such things previously. I'll avoid that in the future.

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Just got HBO, and saw they have season 3 on demand. Do I need to see seasons 1&2 or would it work just to pick it up at 3? Are the first two seasons available anywhere else?

If you have HBO, you have HBO go - start at the beginning. Picking up in season 3 would be a disaster.

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Just got HBO, and saw they have season 3 on demand. Do I need to see seasons 1&2 or would it work just to pick it up at 3? Are the first two seasons available anywhere else?

If you have HBO, you have HBO go - start at the beginning. Picking up in season 3 would be a disaster.

Thanks. I recall seeing an option for HBO GO on my roku, but didn't realize the selection there would be different than Comcast's On Demand selections. I'll check it out.

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OK, can you guys help me understand something? Not about the show, but about this thread. I read the books, but never go past where the show is so that I'm never spoiled by the show. If a person asks a question about, say, Ned Stark, and that question wasn't fully answered on the show, but was answered in Book 1, what is the harm in providing that background info to someone? I COMPLETELY understand not wanting things spoiled, but wouldn't you want to get the most complete picture you could to help you enjoy the show more?

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OK, can you guys help me understand something? Not about the show, but about this thread. I read the books, but never go past where the show is so that I'm never spoiled by the show. If a person asks a question about, say, Ned Stark, and that question wasn't fully answered on the show, but was answered in Book 1, what is the harm in providing that background info to someone? I COMPLETELY understand not wanting things spoiled, but wouldn't you want to get the most complete picture you could to help you enjoy the show more?

NO

If I wanted that info Id ask in the ####### BOOK THREAD

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What do you mean by "what the name is"?

I'm guessing he just means googling the character name. I made the mistake googling a character from the wire to find out the actors name. It led to the wiki which mentioned what ep the character died in.

Holy #### you ####### #######s get your panties in a bunch every time someone mentions the printed word in this thread, and then you post THIS ####### ####? How many characters from The Wire are in GoT, you ### hole? And the Wire was JUST ADDED to Amazon Prime so yes there are people who are trying to watch it for the first time.

####!

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OK, can you guys help me understand something? Not about the show, but about this thread. I read the books, but never go past where the show is so that I'm never spoiled by the show. If a person asks a question about, say, Ned Stark, and that question wasn't fully answered on the show, but was answered in Book 1, what is the harm in providing that background info to someone? I COMPLETELY understand not wanting things spoiled, but wouldn't you want to get the most complete picture you could to help you enjoy the show more?

NO

If I wanted that info Id ask in the ####### BOOK THREAD

It's not your fault, shady. It's not your fault.

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This has to be a top-10 thread all-time.

TV people are such dorks. Go on pretending there are no books, but stop asking question about what or why a fictional character would do this thing, or say that thing. First they are fictional characters, they have no ability to think or act on their own. Second, what they say or do has largely been scripted by what is in the books that don't exist - if you don't want to know the answers to the back story, don't ask the question.

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bigmarc27: "Hey, remember that episode of Magnum P.I. when Magnum fed Zeus and Apollo the Macho Tacos and Higgins was pissed?"

Psychopav: "Holy ####, Mother###ker!! Magnum P.I. JUST CAME OUT on Netflix, and some of us need to still ####in' see it! Thanks a lot, ###hole!!"

Fixed. Jerk. :angry:

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Just got HBO, and saw they have season 3 on demand. Do I need to see seasons 1&2 or would it work just to pick it up at 3? Are the first two seasons available anywhere else?

You should just watch the fourth episode of Season 3, then you should be all set.

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This has to be a top-10 thread all-time.

TV people are such dorks. Go on pretending there are no books, but stop asking question about what or why a fictional character would do this thing, or say that thing. First they are fictional characters, they have no ability to think or act on their own. Second, what they say or do has largely been scripted by what is in the books that don't exist - if you don't want to know the answers to the back story, don't ask the question.

How about when we discuss who might die next episode and book readers answer? We've asked book readers to stop posting in here dozens of times but their response is always "It's for your own good" or "You caused us to post in here". Again, no thanks. You've got your own thread.

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This has to be a top-10 thread all-time.

TV people are such dorks. Go on pretending there are no books, but stop asking question about what or why a fictional character would do this thing, or say that thing. First they are fictional characters, they have no ability to think or act on their own. Second, what they say or do has largely been scripted by what is in the books that don't exist - if you don't want to know the answers to the back story, don't ask the question.

How about when we discuss who might die next episode and book readers answer? We've asked book readers to stop posting in here dozens of times but their response is always "It's for your own good" or "You caused us to post in here". Again, no thanks. You've got your own thread.

It's a possessive thing. They can't handle that we left their original "book" thread, so they feel the need to come in here and set us straight time and time again. Any correct prediction by the non-bookies is called out as a spoiler, which in turn ends up being a spoiler in itself, but some people just do not know how to S.T.F.U.

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There's honestly something off with you if you feel the need to keep posting in here to give your opinion/info on the books. Its a fantasy series of books, not the Bible. Let it go.

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OK, can you guys help me understand something? Not about the show, but about this thread. I read the books, but never go past where the show is so that I'm never spoiled by the show. If a person asks a question about, say, Ned Stark, and that question wasn't fully answered on the show, but was answered in Book 1, what is the harm in providing that background info to someone? I COMPLETELY understand not wanting things spoiled, but wouldn't you want to get the most complete picture you could to help you enjoy the show more?

You would think so, but there's no intellectual curiosity allowed here.

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OK, can you guys help me understand something? Not about the show, but about this thread. I read the books, but never go past where the show is so that I'm never spoiled by the show. If a person asks a question about, say, Ned Stark, and that question wasn't fully answered on the show, but was answered in Book 1, what is the harm in providing that background info to someone? I COMPLETELY understand not wanting things spoiled, but wouldn't you want to get the most complete picture you could to help you enjoy the show more?

You would think so, but there's no intellectual curiosity allowed here.

The show doesn't always go in order or may reveal details from the past later in the show. Some people just want to watch the tv show for what it is. There is nothing wrong with that.

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There's honestly something off with you if you feel the need to keep posting in here to give your opinion/info on the books. Its a fantasy series of books, not the Bible. Let it go.

What's the difference?

There's a lengthy thread that is for book discussions. You are only posting about the book here if you want attention or have some kind of twisted fetish for the books.

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There's honestly something off with you if you feel the need to keep posting in here to give your opinion/info on the books. Its a fantasy series of books, not the Bible. Let it go.

What's the difference?

There's a lengthy thread that is for book discussions. You are only posting about the book here if you want attention or have some kind of twisted fetish for the books.

No what's the difference between a fantasy series of books and the bible?
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There's honestly something off with you if you feel the need to keep posting in here to give your opinion/info on the books. Its a fantasy series of books, not the Bible. Let it go.

What's the difference?
There's a lengthy thread that is for book discussions. You are only posting about the book here if you want attention or have some kind of twisted fetish for the books.
No what's the difference between a fantasy series of books and the bible?
Oh, yeah. Just the seriousness which which it is meant to be taken and the level to which a person should be expected to have read/be familiar with.
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OK, can you guys help me understand something? Not about the show, but about this thread. I read the books, but never go past where the show is so that I'm never spoiled by the show. If a person asks a question about, say, Ned Stark, and that question wasn't fully answered on the show, but was answered in Book 1, what is the harm in providing that background info to someone? I COMPLETELY understand not wanting things spoiled, but wouldn't you want to get the most complete picture you could to help you enjoy the show more?

You would think so, but there's no intellectual curiosity allowed here.
of course there is as long as the answers are revealed in the tv show. Pretend the books dont exist in this thread. Is it that hard?
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What was with the beetle crushing discussion? A big hint about the crushing of the skull? Pretty bad part of the episode & a waste of time.

Actually thought it was one of the most poignant scenes. It was Tyrion struggling to make sense of a crazy world with crazy amounts of killing without any good reason for it. He still never got an answer. I found it haunting. Reminded me of some of the great monologues from True Detective.

exactly.

Truly baffling that someone would think that scene was without merit and a waste of time.

The thread for Truly Tori is that way ------------>

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What was with the beetle crushing discussion? A big hint about the crushing of the skull? Pretty bad part of the episode & a waste of time.

Actually thought it was one of the most poignant scenes. It was Tyrion struggling to make sense of a crazy world with crazy amounts of killing without any good reason for it. He still never got an answer. I found it haunting. Reminded me of some of the great monologues from True Detective.

exactly.

Truly baffling that someone would think that scene was without merit and a waste of time.

The thread for Truly Tori is that way ------------>

Yep, genius scene on so many levels.

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This has to be a top-10 thread all-time.

TV people are such dorks. Go on pretending there are no books, but stop asking question about what or why a fictional character would do this thing, or say that thing. First they are fictional characters, they have no ability to think or act on their own. Second, what they say or do has largely been scripted by what is in the books that don't exist - if you don't want to know the answers to the back story, don't ask the question.

the questions can be asked, but only a non book reader is allowed to answer. if it outside the realm of the show, prepare to be flayed.

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The problem isn't that everything from the books is a spoiler, it's just that the book people are too ####ing dense as a group to figure out how to not spoil stuff so the only simple "rule" that covers everything is to just pretend the books don't exist, though sadly they can't even follow that.

Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Or we can go back to Joffrey's murder where a book reader "politely" pointed out very subtle clues that tv-only people had missed, that he himself only saw because he already knew to look for it (but it was in the show!!!!). Since a book reader pointed those clues out we then knew that those clues among the many clues that were presented were the ones pointing to the actual answer.

Trying to help is all well and good, but nobody wants it. When someone asks a question that can only be answered by the books that's not a license to go spouting off about the books. They're just asking for speculation from other TV viewers and they don't know ahead of time that only the books could answer it. It would be great if book people could fill in only the gaps that actually need to be filled again but they've proven time and time and time and time and time and time again that they can't do that without slipping up, so it's better just to cut it out entirely. No matter how much you think you're helping, you're not.

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And to think...... next week is episode 9.

S1 E9 - Ned's execution

S2 E9 - Battle at the Blackwater

S3 E9 - The Red Wedding

S4 E9 - I can't see them topping what we've seen so far this season, but I expect another great episode.

Episode 9 Death Pool. Who ya got?

The Mountain has been taken off the board due to his already being a gametime decision.

Arya

Barristan Selmy

Bran

Brienne

Bronn

Cersei

Daenerys

Gendry

Grey Worm

Hodor

Jaime

Jon Snow

Jorah

Littlefinger

Margaery

Melisandre

Missandei

Podrick

Ramsay Bolton

Roose Bolton

Samwell Tarly

Sansa

Sandor Clegane

Shae

Stannis

Theon

Tommen

Tyrion

Tywin

Varys

Ygritte

I'm going to take the long-shot and go with "no one of note" to die.

I think we may have just gotten our big shocking moment one episode early this time around. And remember, even though Blackwater was a big episode no major characters actually died in it.

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This has to be a top-10 thread all-time.

TV people are such dorks. Go on pretending there are no books, but stop asking question about what or why a fictional character would do this thing, or say that thing. First they are fictional characters, they have no ability to think or act on their own. Second, what they say or do has largely been scripted by what is in the books that don't exist - if you don't want to know the answers to the back story, don't ask the question.

the questions can be asked, but only a non book reader is allowed to answer. if it outside the realm of the show, prepare to be flayed.

I think a lot of times, the show has already answered questions....but most show viewers aren't as astute or knowledgeable as the book readers...so they think book readers are pulling stuff from the source material.

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The problem isn't that everything from the books is a spoiler, it's just that the book people are too ####ing dense as a group to figure out how to not spoil stuff so the only simple "rule" that covers everything is to just pretend the books don't exist, though sadly they can't even follow that.

Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Or we can go back to Joffrey's murder where a book reader "politely" pointed out very subtle clues that tv-only people had missed, that he himself only saw because he already knew to look for it (but it was in the show!!!!). Since a book reader pointed those clues out we then knew that those clues among the many clues that were presented were the ones pointing to the actual answer.

Trying to help is all well and good, but nobody wants it. When someone asks a question that can only be answered by the books that's not a license to go spouting off about the books. They're just asking for speculation from other TV viewers and they don't know ahead of time that only the books could answer it. It would be great if book people could fill in only the gaps that actually need to be filled again but they've proven time and time and time and time and time and time again that they can't do that without slipping up, so it's better just to cut it out entirely. No matter how much you think you're helping, you're not.

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Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Assuming this is directed at me, again, I wasn't confirming or not confirming any speculation in any post.

Here's the exchange in question:

Gr00vus, on 06 Jun 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:snapback.png

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I just kind of assumed the sorcerer is dead by now. I don't think Varys planned to "stash him away" for just long enough for a little Marsellus Wallace action.

I don't know about dead, but the sorcerer struck me a one-off revenge prop, just to illustrate how dangerous Varys could actually be to someone who crossed him. Sort of serve as the darkside counterpoint to his soft exterior and proper and polished demeanor.

There are things I'm still waiting to see what's up with REDACTED but that guy's not one of them. I assume it's his lot in life to spend eternity stuffed in a box.

You really need to remove the REDACTED part from your post - pronto.

All I said was he should redact <thing which has not happened in the show yet> from his post. It wasn't a speculation on his part, had nothing to do with any previous or subsequent speculation on his part, it was a straight up unintentional spoiler divulging a somewhat major plot twist that anyone who hasn't read the books or seen the spoiler elsewhere on the internet wouldn't have known about or guessed at.

So would it have been better for that spoiler to have been left out there instead of one of us book readers trying to get it removed before more non book readers saw it? I seriously want to know, because I was just trying to help the non-book readers avoid seeing that obvious spoiler. I wasn't trying to lord it over anyone with my book reading - I was trying to stay true to the intent of this thread and keep you people from polluting your viewing headspace with outside knowledge.

Truly sorry if I offended.

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Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Assuming this is directed at me, again, I wasn't confirming or not confirming any speculation in any post.

In the course of a multi line comment covering several topics, the OP said (and this is an accurate paraphrasing):

"I'm more interested in finding out what happened to/with <thing which has not happened in the show yet> instead of Varys's wizard in a box."

All I said was he should redact (I even put it in bold) <thing which has not happened in the show yet> from his post. It wasn't a speculation on his part, had nothing to do with any previous or subsequent speculation on his part, it was a straight up unintentional spoiler divulging a somewhat major plot twist that anyone who hasn't read the books or seen the spoiler elsewhere on the internet wouldn't have known about or guessed at.

So would it have been better for that spoiler to have been left out there instead of one of us book readers trying to get it removed before more non book readers saw it? I seriously want to know, because I was just trying to help the non-book readers avoid seeing that obvious spoiler. I wasn't trying to lord it over anyone with my book reading - I was trying to stay true to the intent of this thread and keep you people from polluting your viewing headspace with outside knowledge.

Truly sorry if I offended.

I missed the incident you're referring to, so I'm a little confused. Was it posted by someone who KNEW that event/plot point was going to happen or were they just throwing #### out there?

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Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Assuming this is directed at me, again, I wasn't confirming or not confirming any speculation in any post.

In the course of a multi line comment covering several topics, the OP said (and this is an accurate paraphrasing):

"I'm more interested in finding out what happened to/with <thing which has not happened in the show yet> instead of Varys's wizard in a box."

All I said was he should redact (I even put it in bold) <thing which has not happened in the show yet> from his post. It wasn't a speculation on his part, had nothing to do with any previous or subsequent speculation on his part, it was a straight up unintentional spoiler divulging a somewhat major plot twist that anyone who hasn't read the books or seen the spoiler elsewhere on the internet wouldn't have known about or guessed at.

So would it have been better for that spoiler to have been left out there instead of one of us book readers trying to get it removed before more non book readers saw it? I seriously want to know, because I was just trying to help the non-book readers avoid seeing that obvious spoiler. I wasn't trying to lord it over anyone with my book reading - I was trying to stay true to the intent of this thread and keep you people from polluting your viewing headspace with outside knowledge.

Truly sorry if I offended.

I missed the incident you're referring to, so I'm a little confused. Was it posted by someone who KNEW that event/plot point was going to happen or were they just throwing #### out there?

There's a lot of info on the internet about something happening. The OP mentioned it but didn't really know the relevance of the situation or how it comes to be. As far as I can tell...he's not one of those son of a ##### book reading Nazis. Those bastards.

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Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Assuming this is directed at me, again, I wasn't confirming or not confirming any speculation in any post.

In the course of a multi line comment covering several topics, the OP said (and this is an accurate paraphrasing):

"I'm more interested in finding out what happened to/with <thing which has not happened in the show yet> instead of Varys's wizard in a box."

All I said was he should redact (I even put it in bold) <thing which has not happened in the show yet> from his post. It wasn't a speculation on his part, had nothing to do with any previous or subsequent speculation on his part, it was a straight up unintentional spoiler divulging a somewhat major plot twist that anyone who hasn't read the books or seen the spoiler elsewhere on the internet wouldn't have known about or guessed at.

So would it have been better for that spoiler to have been left out there instead of one of us book readers trying to get it removed before more non book readers saw it? I seriously want to know, because I was just trying to help the non-book readers avoid seeing that obvious spoiler. I wasn't trying to lord it over anyone with my book reading - I was trying to stay true to the intent of this thread and keep you people from polluting your viewing headspace with outside knowledge.

Truly sorry if I offended.

I missed the incident you're referring to, so I'm a little confused. Was it posted by someone who KNEW that event/plot point was going to happen or were they just throwing #### out there?

Like I said above (I edited to include the full exchange), I find it extremely unlikely that the thing I thought should be redacted would have been guessed at - it sure seemed like it was stated as fact from prior, non-show knowledge.

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I'm going to take the long-shot and go with "no one of note" to die.

I think we may have just gotten our big shocking moment one episode early this time around. And remember, even though Blackwater was a big episode no major characters actually died in it.

Great point. Makes me wonder, what are some other shocking things that would be significant, but maybe aren't as simple as "major character dies"...

- A major character could reveal a pregnancy (Cersei? Margaret?)

- Someone 'good' could do something especially evil and out of character (Sansa?)

- The dragons could make an appearance.

Any others?

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The problem isn't that everything from the books is a spoiler, it's just that the book people are too ####ing dense as a group to figure out how to not spoil stuff so the only simple "rule" that covers everything is to just pretend the books don't exist, though sadly they can't even follow that.

Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Or we can go back to Joffrey's murder where a book reader "politely" pointed out very subtle clues that tv-only people had missed, that he himself only saw because he already knew to look for it (but it was in the show!!!!). Since a book reader pointed those clues out we then knew that those clues among the many clues that were presented were the ones pointing to the actual answer.

Trying to help is all well and good, but nobody wants it. When someone asks a question that can only be answered by the books that's not a license to go spouting off about the books. They're just asking for speculation from other TV viewers and they don't know ahead of time that only the books could answer it. It would be great if book people could fill in only the gaps that actually need to be filled again but they've proven time and time and time and time and time and time again that they can't do that without slipping up, so it's better just to cut it out entirely. No matter how much you think you're helping, you're not.

Yeah I'm a book reader. I like coming here to watch the speculation and guessing, but don't really post at all. Too dangerous. Even this post I've not said anything about the story but I've reread it three times...

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What I posted earlier, I posted as an example of something that has been introduced by various elements the storyline, yet still looms unresolved. I'll be happy to explain why my wife and I have been waiting for this particular unresolved hook to crop up all season if/when it occurs onscreen, or after the series is over, if it doesn't pop up -- which would make me very angry with the writers.

There are more examples than just that one, but it literally would never have occurred to me as something that everyone wasn't waiting for, if they actually watched the season surrounding the events relevant to the discussion. :shrug:

I don't think Groovus meant ill, and neither did I. I guess it's unfortunate that when speaking about things that haven't already actually, visually, taken place on screen, you've got to be careful in a thread like this. I think there are certain things that the plot has made inevitable will happen on and around the Wall, I think there are certain things that are inevitable surrounding Arya, and certain things surrounding what was mentioned above. I also think there are lots of areas where it isn't at all clear where it's headed.

I bowed out of the discussion because I don't think I can enjoy the thread if I can't talk about, e.g., the things that have been strongly intimated. And I don't mind that. It's probably safer for those who aren't going out of their way to predict and project things if none of that goes on. Alas.

Last post in thread. Just don't see the need for either Groovus or I to get smeared, here. Sorry for any ambiguity in the offending post.

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I'm not smart enough to do it, but can someone create a list of users who have posted in the book readers thread? Number of posts in that thread would be helpful too. I'd prefer not to know their "predictions" in this thread. TIA.

That would take a lot of work. I am a book reader who remembers jack #### about anything past the end of this season. I don't say anything on the lines of predicting if it is something I remember coming up. Hell, I won't bother warning about any links that might ruin #### for you guys either after the necklace incident.

I do have suspicions that there are 1 or 2 in here that are aliases of book readers doing 'predictions', or people that haven't been "outed" as a reader, but I am not 100%.

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The problem isn't that everything from the books is a spoiler, it's just that the book people are too ####ing dense as a group to figure out how to not spoil stuff so the only simple "rule" that covers everything is to just pretend the books don't exist, though sadly they can't even follow that.

Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Or we can go back to Joffrey's murder where a book reader "politely" pointed out very subtle clues that tv-only people had missed, that he himself only saw because he already knew to look for it (but it was in the show!!!!). Since a book reader pointed those clues out we then knew that those clues among the many clues that were presented were the ones pointing to the actual answer.

Trying to help is all well and good, but nobody wants it. When someone asks a question that can only be answered by the books that's not a license to go spouting off about the books. They're just asking for speculation from other TV viewers and they don't know ahead of time that only the books could answer it. It would be great if book people could fill in only the gaps that actually need to be filled again but they've proven time and time and time and time and time and time again that they can't do that without slipping up, so it's better just to cut it out entirely. No matter how much you think you're helping, you're not.

This is a good post, and I get it.

I was one that tried to steer people from the link of the pictures of the necklace, as there was 0 way a non-book reader put that together. Of course me saying that caused people who clicked on it to know that, and added more fuel to the fire. That won't happen again. (never mind that everybody that clicked on that link was pissed after that ;) )

Like I have posted before, and I doubt I am the only one, I don't know what it coming up past this season. There are people in here that haven't read all the books or don't remember. What has gotten really stupid is people flipping out and swearing just because somebody that has read a book posts anything at all in here because it is assumed that it is book only stuff or they know what is coming. I will keep posting in here, but it will be about the shows, acting, the lovely breasts we just saw, etc..

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Not trying to rile up the hordes but is it permissible for a book reader to fill me in on how close the books and the show are to being in sync? I look forward to wading into the book thread but onlyt after the convergence takes place. So, we looking at end of next season perhaps or are we still two or more seasons away?

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Not trying to rile up the hordes but is it permissible for a book reader to fill me in on how close the books and the show are to being in sync? I look forward to wading into the book thread but onlyt after the convergence takes place. So, we looking at end of next season perhaps or are we still two or more seasons away?

They are starting to blend already, but I honestly would not go there at all. I doubt they fully catch up.

This season is basically the last 1/3 of Book 3. Books 4 and 5 are written weirdly (by geographic location more than timeline it seemed), so I would guess that those books will be seasons 5 and 6. From what I gather, some of the characters arcs have caught up with where they are in the books already this season (I almost stupidly typed which ones), and others still have a bit to go. However, there is a chance that by the time the next two seasons are over the 6th book will be out and we will be right back where we are now. Best bet is to stay far away from the other thread unless you have read all the books or don't care if you get spoiled. There are some dudes over there that remember every damn thing.

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Not trying to rile up the hordes but is it permissible for a book reader to fill me in on how close the books and the show are to being in sync? I look forward to wading into the book thread but onlyt after the convergence takes place. So, we looking at end of next season perhaps or are we still two or more seasons away?

Only a spoiler to those that believe there are no books, but putting in a spoiler due to some of the panty twisting going on in here.

There are 2 more books to go, but the show has been jumping around. Without saying which ones, some of the storylines in the TV show are already almost to the end of where they are in book 5, while others are still not caught up to the end of book 3, which is the equivelent of the current TV season. By the time this season is over, I believe the story from book 3 will be mostly caught up on screen, and someone could read through book 3 without worrying too much about spoilers.

But that said, I would be very cautious wading into the book thread. There are likely 2, maybe 3 more seasons before books 4 and 5 are fully covered, and by the time next season releases, there will likely be another book released, which could add another 2 seasons.

For anyone thinking of diving into the book thread, it is VERY spoilery these days as regards the TV show and all of the current books. Don't say you weren't warned.

As for me, I enjoy reading this thread to see how people are enjoying the show and to read the speculation, and to the best of my knowledge, have only ever posted stuff from the show that I know happened on TV. Yes, I caused a small ruckus lately, but I'm still pretty sure the information I posted was from TV (if it wasn't it was from a review of the TV show, and not from the books.) Given the sensitivity in here, I plan to just lurk or to make judacious use of spoiler tags even when I don't believe things are spoilers to the TV show, as a concession to those that are sensitive.

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The problem isn't that everything from the books is a spoiler, it's just that the book people are too ####ing dense as a group to figure out how to not spoil stuff so the only simple "rule" that covers everything is to just pretend the books don't exist, though sadly they can't even follow that.

Most of the time something is spoiled it's when a book reader is trying to help, or trying to fill something in. See the stuff early today where a book reader was just politely trying to point out a spoiler, but in confirming a non-reader's speculation as being a spoiler he actually made it into a spoiler himself.

Or we can go back to Joffrey's murder where a book reader "politely" pointed out very subtle clues that tv-only people had missed, that he himself only saw because he already knew to look for it (but it was in the show!!!!). Since a book reader pointed those clues out we then knew that those clues among the many clues that were presented were the ones pointing to the actual answer.

Trying to help is all well and good, but nobody wants it. When someone asks a question that can only be answered by the books that's not a license to go spouting off about the books. They're just asking for speculation from other TV viewers and they don't know ahead of time that only the books could answer it. It would be great if book people could fill in only the gaps that actually need to be filled again but they've proven time and time and time and time and time and time again that they can't do that without slipping up, so it's better just to cut it out entirely. No matter how much you think you're helping, you're not.

This is a good post, and I get it.

I was one that tried to steer people from the link of the pictures of the necklace, as there was 0 way a non-book reader put that together. Of course me saying that caused people who clicked on it to know that, and added more fuel to the fire. That won't happen again. (never mind that everybody that clicked on that link was pissed after that ;) )

Like I have posted before, and I doubt I am the only one, I don't know what it coming up past this season. There are people in here that haven't read all the books or don't remember. What has gotten really stupid is people flipping out and swearing just because somebody that has read a book posts anything at all in here because it is assumed that it is book only stuff or they know what is coming. I will keep posting in here, but it will be about the shows, acting, the lovely breasts we just saw, etc..

yeah you really couldnt win in that situation and i understand you were just trying to help. I apologize for flying off the handle but i think you can see now by you helping you kind of confirmed the link as a spoiler.
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