Faust 5,630 Posted November 24, 2013 Author Share Posted November 24, 2013 Rotoworld:Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel completed 16 of 41 attempts for 224 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions in a 34-10 loss to LSU.Manziel wasn't helped by a few drops, but he also missed a handful of open targets. LSU mush rush kept Manziel from picking up huge gains and forced the quarterback to drop his eyes frequently. The Aggie did rush for 54 yards, however. We don't care about the metric, but the only two games that Manziel has registered a quarterback rating under 100 in his career have both been against LSU. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,630 Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Scout's Take: Johnny Manziel remains a franchise-caliber QB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,630 Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) Rotoworld:After spending a few weeks talking with "NFL types," the Dallas Morning News' Rick Gosselin is convinced Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel will be a top-12 pick.Gosselin is unable to devote as much time to the NFL draft in recent years, but few are more respected in terms of covering the event. "Too many teams need one. NFL scouts will go all the way back to high school in their research," Gosselin writes. "They will find a dynamic winner who can make plays with his arm or legs and also makes the players around him better." We think Manziel ultimately ends up in the first-round, especially if specific underclassmen return for the 2014 season. Source: Dallas Morning News Johnny Manziel to be top-12 pick, scouts tell columnist Edited December 3, 2013 by Faust Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Balance 7 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Will take the NFL by storm as a rookie, but doesn't last the season.. imho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Ministry of Pain 5,716 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) He is going to make a splash in the NFL, he went toe to toe with the biggest teams in the country and held his own and even more so at times. I think whoever gets him if they can let him watch for even the 1st 4-5 games from the sidelines and ease him into the game I think he could do some special things in the NFL. Edited December 4, 2013 by Ministry of Pain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,856 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) He is going to make a splash in the NFL, he went to to toe with the biggest teams in the country and held his own and even more so at times. I think whoever gets him if they can let him watch for even the 1st 45 games from the sidelines and ease him into the game I think he could do some special things in the NFL. That's a long wait. Edited December 3, 2013 by Andy Dufresne Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pantherclub 2,051 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 He is going to make a splash in the NFL, he went to to toe with the biggest teams in the country and held his own and even more so at times. I think whoever gets him if they can let him watch for even the 1st 45 games from the sidelines and ease him into the game I think he could do some special things in the NFL. hes smaller than vick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ministry of Pain 5,716 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He is going to make a splash in the NFL, he went to to toe with the biggest teams in the country and held his own and even more so at times. I think whoever gets him if they can let him watch for even the 1st 45 games from the sidelines and ease him into the game I think he could do some special things in the NFL. That's a long wait. Fixed it, sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Houston turmOiler 159 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He is going to make a splash in the NFL, he went to to toe with the biggest teams in the country and held his own and even more so at times. I think whoever gets him if they can let him watch for even the 1st 45 games from the sidelines and ease him into the game I think he could do some special things in the NFL. hes smaller than vickIf he takes the same kind of hits as Vick and RGIII then I worry about him long term as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vincesanity 10 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 As a lifelong A&M fan I couldn't bring myself to draft Johnny, I think he gets overwhelmed by the NFL. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ILUVBEER99 1,372 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's going to be the QB that plunges during the draft. He's be wise to stay home if he gets the invite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pantherclub 2,051 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He is going to make a splash in the NFL, he went to to toe with the biggest teams in the country and held his own and even more so at times. I think whoever gets him if they can let him watch for even the 1st 45 games from the sidelines and ease him into the game I think he could do some special things in the NFL. hes smaller than vickIf he takes the same kind of hits as Vick and RGIII then I worry about him long term as well.Funny you say that, the way he scrambles reminds me of rg3. The upright style with the lunging at the end Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ministry of Pain 5,716 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 As a lifelong A&M fan I couldn't bring myself to draft Johnny, I think he gets overwhelmed by the NFL.Like he should be overwhelmed in the toughest conference in all of football? I think we're dismissing this kid way too fast in here. He has some of that "it" factor and reminds me a little bit of Tim Tebow where he is polarizing to different fans and you gotta take a step back to see what you are really looking at. I see skills here, I think he has a solid arm, great instincts on the field as plays are falling apart around him, I think if he has time to learn for even half a season before being pushed on to the field, I think his game can develop and I believe an NFL team will take a shot, the investment now is not what it was 2-3 years ago. Roll the dice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pantherclub 2,051 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 As a lifelong A&M fan I couldn't bring myself to draft Johnny, I think he gets overwhelmed by the NFL.Like he should be overwhelmed in the toughest conference in all of football? I think we're dismissing this kid way too fast in here. He has some of that "it" factor and reminds me a little bit of Tim Tebow where he is polarizing to different fans and you gotta take a step back to see what you are really looking at. I see skills here, I think he has a solid arm, great instincts on the field as plays are falling apart around him, I think if he has time to learn for even half a season before being pushed on to the field, I think his game can develop and I believe an NFL team will take a shot, the investment now is not what it was 2-3 years ago. Roll the dice!he is 6ft 200lbs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lod01 905 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Size wise, the best comparison is Russell Wilson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCguidance 128 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Not sure why but I like the kid. He's got the tools of Wilson but not sure about the intangibles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoveToSkypager 288 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's get destroyed in the NFL. Totally destroyed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lod01 905 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's get destroyed in the NFL. Totally destroyed.Worse than Geno? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lod01 905 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Not sure why but I like the kid. He's got the tools of Wilson but not sure about the intangibles. Starting to think the same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,856 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoveToSkypager 288 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's get destroyed in the NFL. Totally destroyed.Worse than Geno?Nah, not that bad. He'll get beat up worse though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lod01 905 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs.And there is a HUGE difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoveToSkypager 288 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs.And there is a HUGE difference.But he doesn't throw the ball as well as QBs people compare him to (like Russel Wilson), from my experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,856 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs.And there is a HUGE difference. But he doesn't throw the ball as well as QBs people compare him to (like Russel Wilson), from my experience.Then you need to watch him more.And when you do, focus on this year. He's a much better passer than he was last year. Much better. Edited December 4, 2013 by Andy Dufresne Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoveToSkypager 288 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs.And there is a HUGE difference. But he doesn't throw the ball as well as QBs people compare him to (like Russel Wilson), from my experience.Then you need to watch him more.And when you do, focus on this year. He's a much better passer than he was last year. Much better.I've seen every game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,856 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Then I think you suffer from confirmation bias. Then again, maybe so do I. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
babydemon90 1,104 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Mariota staying in school should likely inflate Manziels value... Can see him going in top 15... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoveToSkypager 288 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) Then I think you suffer from confirmation bias. Then again, maybe so do I.We'll find out. I want to say I don't want him to be bad. I don't root against A&M. I didn't go into this hoping this doesn't work out. Edited December 4, 2013 by MoveToSkypager Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Magaw 2,525 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 In the article posted by Faust above, Gosselin said after talking to league sources, he expects him to go top 12. Maybe that is what some sources said, that aren't necessarily on teams that need a QB, we will see about the ones that do (JAX, HOU, MIN, CLE, maybe TB and OAK?). Mariota not declaring does change the landscape.It will be interesting to see if Hundley declares, raw, but ton of ability. Carr will be an option.I do put a lot of stock in Gosselin. He no longer does it, but many on the board probably remember he had a reputation for having the most accurate mocks (always came out 2-3 days before draft?)... he admitted he didn't scout himself... but he seemed to have the most well informed (candid? ) network of well placed league insiders and sources, between front office, coaches and scouting departments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthycat 1,810 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 if he goes punk kid doing stupid stuff after winning the Heisman, imagine all the trouble he'll get into with a huge NFL Contract and $$$$$$$$ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Houston turmOiler 159 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 if he goes punk kid doing stupid stuff after winning the Heisman, imagine all the trouble he'll get into with a huge NFL Contract and $$$$$$$$Im actually worried less about that than some other things....his family is already loaded and he can go do whatever he wants anyway. Im more worried about his size and whether or not he will learn to avoid crushing hits because he likes to run and fight to make big plays. If he doesnt he will end up as an exciting but injury prone athlete playing the position much like Vick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xue 245 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs.He's a QB that runs that mostly makes plays outside the pocket and on broken plays chucking it up to a 6'5" WR who overpowers smaller DBs. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xue 245 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Size wise, the best comparison is Russell Wilson.Wilson has a much better arm and is built much thicker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,856 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs. He's a QB that runs that mostly makes plays outside the pocket and on broken plays chucking it up to a 6'5" WR who overpowers smaller DBs.There's legit concerns...and then there's this nonsense.There are four guys on his team with 40+ catches. Edited December 4, 2013 by Andy Dufresne Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xue 245 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs. He's a QB that runs that mostly makes plays outside the pocket and on broken plays chucking it up to a 6'5" WR who overpowers smaller DBs.There's legit concerns...and then there's this nonsense.There are four guys on his team with 40+ catches.Mike Evans' best two games were vs Alabama and Auburn and Texas A&M still lost. If Evans isn't on that team, they have no chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,856 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs. He's a QB that runs that mostly makes plays outside the pocket and on broken plays chucking it up to a 6'5" WR who overpowers smaller DBs.There's legit concerns...and then there's this nonsense.There are four guys on his team with 40+ catches.Mike Evans' best two games were vs Alabama and Auburn and Texas A&M still lost. If Evans isn't on that team, they have no chance.What does that have to do with Manziel? Evans is great, no doubt. But it's not him alone making Manziel great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vincesanity 10 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He doesn't run the offense, his decision making is subpar, he won't stay in the pocket, he has a small frame besides being short, the defense most similar to an NFL defense with NFL speed off the edge has whipped him 2 years in a row.He has a bad ankle, separated should and fractured thumb right now which is why he's looked pedestrian the last 2 games. If he's that banged up now it could get ugly next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Magaw 2,525 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs. He's a QB that runs that mostly makes plays outside the pocket and on broken plays chucking it up to a 6'5" WR who overpowers smaller DBs.There's legit concerns...and then there's this nonsense.There are four guys on his team with 40+ catches.Mike Evans' best two games were vs Alabama and Auburn and Texas A&M still lost. If Evans isn't on that team, they have no chance.What does that have to do with Manziel? Evans is great, no doubt. But it's not him alone making Manziel great.matt ryan is 3-9 and didn't look as good without julio jones and roddy white. weird, huh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 12,856 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Time to spit the hook. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JuniorNB 7,258 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Someone will take a chance and draft him in the first round. And that someone will regret it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JShare87 4,281 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He doesn't run the offense, his decision making is subpar, he won't stay in the pocket, he has a small frame besides being short, the defense most similar to an NFL defense with NFL speed off the edge has whipped him 2 years in a row.He has a bad ankle, separated should and fractured thumb right now which is why he's looked pedestrian the last 2 games. If he's that banged up now it could get ugly next year.Excellent decision making and stays in the pocket until it breaks down. I've been defending him on here since last year. People that don't like him never will. People like me see the good in his play and probably won't change. Andy brings up some great points and clearly watches his games. I've watched every single play since the Bama game last year. This season he is a completely different player. His numbers are better this year. Everyone said Bama was the closest NFL defense he would face and has torched them twice. Now all of the sudden LSU is the closest comparison to an NFL defense, why because they played JFF good 2 years in a row? Most teams in the SEC have great defenses and LSU is the only one to stop him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xue 245 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs. He's a QB that runs that mostly makes plays outside the pocket and on broken plays chucking it up to a 6'5" WR who overpowers smaller DBs.There's legit concerns...and then there's this nonsense.There are four guys on his team with 40+ catches.Mike Evans' best two games were vs Alabama and Auburn and Texas A&M still lost. If Evans isn't on that team, they have no chance.What does that have to do with Manziel? Evans is great, no doubt. But it's not him alone making Manziel great.That's like saying Calvin Johnson alone doesn't make Stafford great. Andre Johnson doesn't make Case Keenum great. AJ Green doesn't make Andy Dalton great. Vincent Jackson doesn't make Mike Glennon great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Late225 24 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs. He's a QB that runs that mostly makes plays outside the pocket and on broken plays chucking it up to a 6'5" WR who overpowers smaller DBs.There's legit concerns...and then there's this nonsense.There are four guys on his team with 40+ catches.Mike Evans' best two games were vs Alabama and Auburn and Texas A&M still lost. If Evans isn't on that team, they have no chance.What does that have to do with Manziel? Evans is great, no doubt. But it's not him alone making Manziel great.That's like saying Calvin Johnson alone doesn't make Stafford great. Andre Johnson doesn't make Case Keenum great. AJ Green doesn't make Andy Dalton great. Vincent Jackson doesn't make Mike Glennon great.I honestly can't tell which side you are arguing for here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Balance 7 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Xue's line of logic is impressive.Montana and Young must have been among the worst ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,630 Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Johnny Manziel could cash in on slipping QB draft class Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shutout 2,013 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Not sure why but I like the kid. He's got the tools of Wilson but not sure about the intangibles. Starting to think the same.I think he's more tebow than Wilson in terms of just having that knack...in college. But once he gets to the pros I just don't see it. But I've been wrong before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Xue 245 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He's not a running QB. He's a QB that runs. He's a QB that runs that mostly makes plays outside the pocket and on broken plays chucking it up to a 6'5" WR who overpowers smaller DBs.There's legit concerns...and then there's this nonsense.There are four guys on his team with 40+ catches. Mike Evans' best two games were vs Alabama and Auburn and Texas A&M still lost. If Evans isn't on that team, they have no chance. What does that have to do with Manziel? Evans is great, no doubt. But it's not him alone making Manziel great. That's like saying Calvin Johnson alone doesn't make Stafford great. Andre Johnson doesn't make Case Keenum great. AJ Green doesn't make Andy Dalton great. Vincent Jackson doesn't make Mike Glennon great. I honestly can't tell which side you are arguing for here. Sarcasm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,630 Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 Johnny Chronicles: Manziel celebrates his 21st birthday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,630 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Rotoworld:Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel told reporters he is ready for the NFL, but will consult with his family before making a decision about his future."More than anything, are you ready for the next level? You don’t want to go be unprepared for the National Football League or leave two years on the table," Manziel said. "In the grand scheme, it all comes down to making the best decision for you." It would be a shock if Manziel did not declare for the draft, Texas A&M faces Duke on Dec. 31. He threw for 33 touchdowns and 13 interceptions this season. Source: Dallas Morning News Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel did not place himself in the No. 1 or No. 2 spot on his own Heisman ballot.Manziel did not reveal his ballot but did admit as much. All former Heisman winners are eligible to vote for the prestigious award, even if they are still in college. Manziel has a shot to end up in second or third place for the award. Source: Dallas Morning NewsNFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah believes Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel is "the most creative quarterback playmaker" he has scouted in 10 years."You talk about instincts and playmaking ability -- I've never evaluated anybody at the quarterback position better in those factors," Jeremiah said while appearing on a Fox Sports podcast. The former NFL scout polled numerous evaluators that all said they would take Manziel in critical, single play situations among all draft-eligible quarterbacks. Source: Fox Sports Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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