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The 2014 NFL Draft All-Overrated Team: Vanderbilt WR Jordan Matthews (2 Viewers)
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WagesOfZin
Footballguy
yeah. that must be it.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
He's not a quick twitch athlete, meaning he will never be "explosive". But he can run good routes, use his body, and develop into a solid guy. I don't think he's a #1, and I think it will take him longer than people expect. Looks an awful lot like Roy E. to me. I think he can succeed as a good #2 possession type.
VaTerp
Footballguy
That's my take more or less and very similar to Bloom's assessment that started this thread. There are a lot of good things to like about Matthews and, given the right situation, he should have some success in the NFL. I just don't see him as a true NFL #1 let alone the Fitzgerlad/AJ Green/TO combo that some others seem to see.
Unfortunately this thread will be bumped every week throughout the season if Mathews has a good game, or if he doesn't, as everyone has an apparent need for instant justification of their position and an I told you so/I was right mentality.
I do think Philly can be a good situation for him though and again like a lot of his qualities to be a solid NFL WR. But I don't see him as being close to the #1WR in this class or the even loftier expectations that many here have for him. As always time will tell.
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One More Rep
Footballguy
That is what I am seeing also. I haven't seen him successful on any routes down field as of yet.
jurb26
Footballguy
So why are people saying he's a good route runner?
Jurb- I would stop questioning Matthews talent with the route tree BS.... The what about this/that BS...
It is VERY apparent to me that he is gonna be a good one...
Maybe clear your head and watch him play with a fresh set of eyes....
Maybe then you will see what I and many others see....
It is VERY apparent to me that he is gonna be a good one...
Maybe clear your head and watch him play with a fresh set of eyes....
Maybe then you will see what I and many others see....
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One More Rep
Footballguy
The people who own him or are high on him will continue to defend their position. I own him in multiple leagues and while it is too early to bail on him, I am not excited about what I see on the field.
To me it looks like Bloom is right about him being overrated, but Matthews is a hard worker so I am holding onto that
To me it looks like Bloom is right about him being overrated, but Matthews is a hard worker so I am holding onto that
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The comps he gets to Colston seem about right IMO
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Screens and drag routes will only get you so far in the regular season. I hope they are keeping him hidden, or something of that nature...
VaTerp
Footballguy
Buried somewhere in this thread I thought that was the comp that made the most sense to me too. Matthews has more straight line speed but I think a Colston type career would be very nice success for him.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
I see a guy who Philly has running a very limited route tree and it consists primarily of short area routes. There is nothing wrong with that given he is a rookie. It's odd that people are sighting him as a good route runner, though.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Meaningless, I know but I saw this mentioned on NFL.com:
9. Jordan Matthews saw plenty of first-team action in the slot, between Maclin and Riley Cooper. Veteran Brad Smith had been ahead of Matthews on the depth chart, but we fully expect the rookie to enter the season as the primary slot receiver. He's the NFL's leading receiver this preseason.
9. Jordan Matthews saw plenty of first-team action in the slot, between Maclin and Riley Cooper. Veteran Brad Smith had been ahead of Matthews on the depth chart, but we fully expect the rookie to enter the season as the primary slot receiver. He's the NFL's leading receiver this preseason.
His scouting report was unanimous that he was a good route runner, which is why people cite it. Certainly it could be that it hasnt taken in the NFL yet.
But absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence. Its Kelly's offense... and its a West Coast offense. Short routes are the most important routes. CK does things his own way. If he coaches by forcing the rooks to learn a couple basic things over and over and over again, that doesnt necessarily prove anything about Matthews one way or another. Fwiw his routes have looked crisp and he's settled nicely in zones so far in preseason from what i've seen.
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MoveToSkypager
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Same reason as Lane Johnson last year maybe? I think there was an article posted (maybe in this thread) of how Chip works in rookies throughout camp.
No I get it- but he was taking a slap at the guy saying he was handed a job, it makes you wonder why he wasnt given the job immediately. Once you stipulate he had to earn it somehow... well he wasnt given the job.
According to the play-by-play, Foles threw 33 passes (4 came back for penalties) last night. 27 were short passes. Its the offense.
WagesOfZin
Footballguy
get those facts out of here, sir.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Lip service competitionmbuehner said:
Kelly basically said that the first team can run the whole playbook and in practices the pace is fast, so at first you don't want someone learning the plays to slow down the practice, instead matthews was running w 2nd team early on to get more reps (and film) for him to assess strengths, etc.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Very much looking forward to tonight's game, if for nothing else, than a prime time matchup involving two of the most polarizing players in the SP, Matthews and Richardson.
I've posted several times in this thread that I think Mathews can be a solid WR but did not see the All Pro potential that many here do. But admittedly, my opinion has been formed on limited watching of youtube highlights and cut ups. I can't honestly say I've watched a full Vanderbilt football game.....well ever.
And I know it's only the kids 2nd NFL game so it will be WAY too early for either side to feel validated, though we know those posts will occur. Four rookie WRs have posted notable FF games in the first 2 weeks of this season. Will Matthews be the 5th?
Very much looking forward to watching the game and reading the SP tonight.
I've posted several times in this thread that I think Mathews can be a solid WR but did not see the All Pro potential that many here do. But admittedly, my opinion has been formed on limited watching of youtube highlights and cut ups. I can't honestly say I've watched a full Vanderbilt football game.....well ever.
And I know it's only the kids 2nd NFL game so it will be WAY too early for either side to feel validated, though we know those posts will occur. Four rookie WRs have posted notable FF games in the first 2 weeks of this season. Will Matthews be the 5th?
Very much looking forward to watching the game and reading the SP tonight.
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werdnoynek
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
tonight alone, he couldn't be any less impressive
dhockster
Footballguy
I have to say I have not been impressed with Matthews so far. He is not going to get a ton of opportunities off the bat, so he has to catch those. He has not been doing that.
The posters in here who questioned his hands seem to be on the mark. However if he makes great plays in practice and preseason and then drops balls in games, there may be problem in his head (feeling the pressure) than
really a hands problem. Either way, he is not getting the job done. It's a long season, though, so let's see how it plays out.
The posters in here who questioned his hands seem to be on the mark. However if he makes great plays in practice and preseason and then drops balls in games, there may be problem in his head (feeling the pressure) than
really a hands problem. Either way, he is not getting the job done. It's a long season, though, so let's see how it plays out.
Resident A
Footballguy
Almost all rookie WRs start slow, and the majority of their stats come in the 2nd half of the season.
I've made the mistake of cutting rookie WRs in the past after 3-4 crappy weeks, then seen them start for other teams a few weeks later. Blackmon was one of them.
Matthews does play on one of the top offenses, and Maclin is the only guy in front of him. There is absolutely nothing special about Maclin. I'm holding an waiting a few more weeks at least.
I've made the mistake of cutting rookie WRs in the past after 3-4 crappy weeks, then seen them start for other teams a few weeks later. Blackmon was one of them.
Matthews does play on one of the top offenses, and Maclin is the only guy in front of him. There is absolutely nothing special about Maclin. I'm holding an waiting a few more weeks at least.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
He's been very up and down. This game against Washington however he's been great with 2 1st half TDs.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Went against Perry Riley for much of the day. Not every team will be dumb enough to cover him with LBs...
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
It's a pick your poison. If you go nickel, the Eagles just run it down your throat. If you go with a base, they send Ertz or Matthews against a LB. Once Kelly gets a personnel grouping he can exploit, he does. The other teams defense determines who has the big game, the Eagles just take what they're given.
Faust
MVP
Rookie Jordan Matthews makes his mark:
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/7870/rookie-matthews-makes-his-mark
http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/7870/rookie-matthews-makes-his-mark
renesauz
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MattFancy
Footballguy
Yeah injuries forced me to move on from him, but I knew he was going to have a big game sooner or later
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Agreed. I'm just saying it would be wise to temper expectations. It's not like he was outside roasting Hall or Amerson. He has a lot of potential for sure, but there are many stinker weeks coming. Don't get cute and start him if you aren't having bye week blues...
doubletrouble
Footballguy
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Matthews had 8 receptions yesterday. Cooper has 9 total receptions in three weeks. He might as well be a blocking tight end.
I think you can begin to trust Matthews as a WR3 in a PPR.
I think you can begin to trust Matthews as a WR3 in a PPR.
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