Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
they don't actually have to be right, but I'm not an expert.
after the trade deadline everybody goes through waivers
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Adrian Peterson Status Updates (2 Viewers)
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after the trade deadline everybody goes through waivers
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Question - can the NFL get the police or even DA file on this, including pictures and evidence?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
VikingFrog
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I was halfway joking comparing it to the Ray Rice case.
I'm not 100% sure about it though, but I think cases involving minors are more protected from public record.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Hope he plays. Give it 50/50.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That's not correct. After the trade deadline all players cut must go through waivers.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Polish Hammer
made of glass
What % of FAAB dollars are you all willing to throw on him?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Are you affirming my statement? Because that's what your quote does. If he has a no-trade clause (don't think he does) he can declare himself UFA after the season, but he's subject to waiver claims in the interim. At best he's a UFA after this year, but most likely he can declare so after next year. He may not be likely to do that though, he's got a ton of money on the table.
fatness
Footballguy
The pictures were released before this ever went to court. In fact, the pictures are what people got so outraged about. The court case files are likely public, or will be shortly. Since a juvenile is involved I'm guessing that some information identifying the juvenile might not be part of what's available to the public.
As to the police file or the DA's file, I'm certain the NFL has gotten these in other cases --- when they cared to. Sometimes they don't want information, like in the Rice case where they avoided getting the video from the casino even though they could have gotten it.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
he's worth the whole FA budget for a contender. He might not be back this season but if he is he's a top 15 FF RB. Not much to lose at this point, it isn't like there are going to be many, if any, difference makers on the WW the rest of the season.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I would like to have a Debate about Child Rea
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Exempt during the trading period.
EastonBlues22
Footballguy
I don't see why it's significant whether the plea mentions a family member or not. Everyone knows the case was about AP hitting/disciplining/whatever his son. There's no way that the NFL can claim they do not know this, or to use the wording of his plea as an excuse for bypassing their domestic abuse policy, without opening the door wide open for anyone who wants to call them out on their obvious hypocrisy.
Saying he's already served the time required by the policy is one thing. Trying to claim that the policy doesn't even apply because of the wording of the plea is something else entirely. That would be PR suicide.
Saying he's already served the time required by the policy is one thing. Trying to claim that the policy doesn't even apply because of the wording of the plea is something else entirely. That would be PR suicide.
Its seems to me that the public opinion on AP has swung back to the "He has been punished enough" camp. NFL seems to care about public opinion so I think he gets back in week 11.
A Startribune poll backs me up. http://www.startribune.com/polls/281481771.html?mr=1&oid=1&vote=Vote&pid=281481771&vote.x=20&cid=8500397&vote.y=9
73% of Minnesota fans think he should be reinstated immediately.
A Startribune poll backs me up. http://www.startribune.com/polls/281481771.html?mr=1&oid=1&vote=Vote&pid=281481771&vote.x=20&cid=8500397&vote.y=9
73% of Minnesota fans think he should be reinstated immediately.
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Megatron Bombs
Footballguy
Good take on the legal scenarios here:
http://fieldandcourt.com/component/k2/item/273-definition-of-suspension-to-control-adrian-petersons-fate.html
This section was particularly intriguing
"But what also cant be ignored, and is the strongest argument Peterson has to be immediately reinstated, is the definition of Accrued Season within the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Article 8, Section 1(a) explains that a player can only receive credit for an accrued season if he was on full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games.
It's true Peterson is receiving his full pay while on the Exempt/Commissioners Permission List, but subsection (i) of Article 8 excludes any games for which the player was on the Exempt Commissioner Permission List.
If youre arguing for Peterson to come back immediately, thats your best argument - yes, hes been getting paid, but he hasnt received credit towards an accrued season. Therefore, hes technically been suspended eight gamestwo more than the six games warranted under Goodells Executive Order.
Once Peterson is removed from the safe haven of the Exempt/Commissioners Permission List, Goodell is likely to impose a six- or eight-game suspension. Goodell will then find that the suspension has already been served and Peterson will book his flight to Chicago"
http://fieldandcourt.com/component/k2/item/273-definition-of-suspension-to-control-adrian-petersons-fate.html
This section was particularly intriguing
"But what also cant be ignored, and is the strongest argument Peterson has to be immediately reinstated, is the definition of Accrued Season within the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Article 8, Section 1(a) explains that a player can only receive credit for an accrued season if he was on full pay status for a total of six or more regular season games.
It's true Peterson is receiving his full pay while on the Exempt/Commissioners Permission List, but subsection (i) of Article 8 excludes any games for which the player was on the Exempt Commissioner Permission List.
If youre arguing for Peterson to come back immediately, thats your best argument - yes, hes been getting paid, but he hasnt received credit towards an accrued season. Therefore, hes technically been suspended eight gamestwo more than the six games warranted under Goodells Executive Order.
Once Peterson is removed from the safe haven of the Exempt/Commissioners Permission List, Goodell is likely to impose a six- or eight-game suspension. Goodell will then find that the suspension has already been served and Peterson will book his flight to Chicago"
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well that's a big deal, seriously. The people of Min/StP have to welcome him back before the team can. It's a good thing this is all happening around the bye, I really wonder if they scheduled the proceedings this way on purpose.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
this discussion is pointless, but yes if he is released, Oak has first crack at claiming him off of waiver
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I just grabbed him off the wire. My gut tells me he will be back soon! 
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Mort this morning on ESPN radio basically said he is hearing conflciting reports.
Its pretty much up to Roger.
I think he will play, but when is the question?
Its pretty much up to Roger.
I think he will play, but when is the question?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Hopefully Rog makes the right call. Let him sit till 2015.
cstu
Footballguy
Trolling or not, this could represent someone's viewpoint. A number of factors working against keeping ADP out ROS, however.
* It was the team's decision to exempt Peterson, not Goodell (although now Goodell's to reinstate)
* The team AND fans and NFLPA now want him back
* AP has already "served" significant time (albeit with pay which could be a negotiating point)
* There is currently no public outcry based on breaking news, which was the primary reason for the team's initial exemption reversal
Goodell has shown he is responsive to public sentiment on these issues. IMO he would be going against it to hold ADP out more than a token extra couple games.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I have nothing to do with him either way. This discussion is about his status. I think he does damage to the shield. I don't stand for him or what he's about. If Rog gets soft with his own "get tough" policies, he sets a precedent he will pay for down the road.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Being responsive to public sentiment is fine for some issues. But child abuse and domestic violence have become the bane of the NFL this particular year. Rog made a huge mistake with Ray Rice and paid for it and now his judgment has been called into question. If he calls ADP's paid leave equivalent to "time served", he'll be considered soft and yielding on this important issue. He's got to put his foot down now. Or risk some grainy TMZ vid or more pics of Peterson's other estranged kids will come out just as he decides to reinstate him.PhantomJB said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
The Team (atleast someone high up) wanted him playing since the get go or else they wouldn't have tried to have play him after week 2. The all mighty dollar and lynch mob disagreed.PhantomJB said:
IMO there is a huge difference between Rice and ADP. And that is there has been a legal case that has run its course and been deemed a misdemeanor. Ostensibly, all the facts are now in. Goodell's judgment comes into play primarily when either there is no legal process or one that has has not yet played out.
For Goodell to impose more than token additional punishment would be viewed as double jeopardy in light of 8 games already suspended plus minimal legal punishment already doled out.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
snogger
Footballguy
I understand what you are saying but... The Policy is 6 game suspension.. and the reason I think Rice will also get his suspension lifted.. You can't set a policy and then decide to one up it because you saw a video/photos.
Either change the policy to one year ( 16 games) or allow them back after 6 games.. In ADP's case he technically hasn't been suspended as he has been paid.. But if they made him return 6 weeks of pay, then in theory there is nothing to keep him off the field.
snogger
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Question: is the NFL in some kind of conundrum with Ray Rice? What exactly is the difference between him and AP? is it supposedly that the NFL claims RR lied? (Note, "claims").
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Whooping the bejesus out of any kids he still has access to.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Over 325,000 adds according to Yahoo at 10am est. 115,000 more than anyone else. People feel confident in this news that he will play.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Based on past actions, and having no football in his life... my guess is that he probably knocked up at least another dozen women (or so).
