A source tells me a Bengals employee was watching the videographer/cameraman who identified himself as a Robert Kraft employee. The Bengals employee kept an eye on that monitor, the shot was of the Bengals coaches and staff on the sidelines for the entire 1st quarter.
the Bengals employee flagged media relations. Bengals security then interviewed the Kraft videographer. This was also taped. The cameraman asked if they could just delete the footage and it all be forgotten per sources
Sources say there was a guy interviewing a Patriots pro scout before the game but that was over when the game started.
Good lord, I would think it's nothing. We're talking about the darn Bengals here, not Baltimore.Now that more info's coming out, seems like a non-story. They had okay'd the video guy with the Browns already for a documentary on the scout, but the Bengals didn't know that. He was being filmed himself, not filming the sideline, and the Bengals and NFL now have those tapes to confirm or not. Weird story but it seems like nothing.
That’s not the full story according to the Bengals. Read the tweet thread in my link above. That’s what the Patriots claimed, but the Bengals claim that the interview was over before the game started but that the Patriots filmed the Bengals sideline for the entire first quarter until Bengals employees intervened. The Patriots then asked to delete their footage but the Bengals demanded to see it and that it be kept while getting the NFL involved.Now that more info's coming out, seems like a non-story. They had okay'd the video guy with the Browns already for a documentary on the scout, but the Bengals didn't know that. He was being filmed himself, not filming the sideline, and the Bengals and NFL now have those tapes to confirm or not. Weird story but it seems like nothing.
Interesting, just read that twitter thread.That’s not the full story according to the Bengals. Read the tweet thread in my link above. That’s what the Patriots claimed, but the Bengals claim that the interview was over before the game started but that the Patriots filmed the Bengals sideline for the entire first quarter until Bengals employees intervened. The Patriots then asked to delete their footage but the Bengals demanded to see it and that it be kept while getting the NFL involved.
The tape exists. There is no question it exists. So it’s just a matter of the NFL reviewing and we should all know fairly shortly who is telling the truth.
Unless somebody gets to stomping in the NFL offices, of course. They'd never *gasp* do that, would they?The tape exists. There is no question it exists. So it’s just a matter of the NFL reviewing and we should all know fairly shortly who is telling the truth.
The more the news breaks on this, the less one can expect to see me around here, I think.
Oof. I cannot emotionally handle another Patriots cheating accusation with all the Patriot homers in my life and on the boards. Breaks are imminent.
I believe they did it in '00. I believe every damn concocted story about it. I believe the NFL destroyed tapes. I think there's documentation saying they did. WTF? Blessed are the credulous, I guess.
The Patriots can't be that stupid. Why would they need to do that to beat the Bengals? That is why this has to be nothing. I'm sorry, but I'm siding with the Patriots on this unless there is evidence on the tapes that prove otherwise. No one is that damn stupid.Well if it were true it would certainly be a new low. Low as in Bengals.
They tape EVERYONE.....its what they do.The Patriots can't be that stupid. Why would they need to do that to beat the Bengals? That is why this has to be nothing. I'm sorry, but I'm siding with the Patriots on this unless there is evidence on the tapes that prove otherwise. No one is that damn stupid.
Dumb enough to film every team instead of just the good ones?Whoa
Man, if the Patriots really were cheating, how dumb would they be to get caught cheating trying to beat the Bengals!?
SOP. Plausibility of misinterpretation of the rules, as Dr. Dan sent along in his link.Dumb enough to film every team instead of just the good ones?
Think about this logically. Why would the Patriots tape the frigging Bengals? Unless there is evidence on the tapes this is a nothing burger. I'm amazed at the mob mentality of the human race. Now if there is something on the tapes, give me a ptich fork and a torch.They tape EVERYONE.....its what they do.
They cheat, its what they do, giant freaking asterisk to all titles if you ask meThink about this logically. Why would the Patriots tape the frigging Bengals? Unless there is evidence on the tapes this is a nothing burger.
Like I said, if there is something on the tapes showing them filming the sidelines, then give me a pitch fork and a torch and we will storm Gillette Stadium together.They cheat, its what they do, giant freaking asterisk to all titles if you ask me
That's the worst possible alibi in the history of alibis.Think about this logically. Why would the Patriots tape the frigging Bengals? Unless there is evidence on the tapes this is a nothing burger.
The mob gathers and are foaming out the mouth....they get louder and louder with every minute.....KILL, KILL, KILL.That's the worst possible alibi in the history of alibis.
Not really. Everybody wants to like their sports most compelling draw. It becomes harder when they've gained competitive advantage by cheating in direct contradiction to league rules.The mob gathers and are foaming out the mouth....they get louder and louder with every minute.....KILL, KILL, KILL.
Or they just figure they can away with it. If you've ever really listened to Belichick, he certainly believes the NFL and the public (and his players that adhere to his philosophy) are too dumb to care or too invested and ignorant to know the issues.Maybe this is naivete here but do we really think they got caught doing the exact same thing 19 years later, in the same manner, as if teams aren't on the lookout?
Seems like some ####### marketing/production employees working on something else entirely outside football operations who probably were in middle school the last time this happened.
Or, they're the biggest morons in football history, which is not a label I'd think to give the Belichick Patriots.
Both of these are pretty spot-on, too.If something seems too good to be true, it probably is. I'm gonna withhold judgement for now.
I love how everyone wants to convict at this point. That sir, is a "mob mentality". I'm all for crucifying the damn Patriots, but not at this juncture.Not really. Everybody wants to like their sports most compelling draw. It becomes harder when they've gained competitive advantage by cheating in direct contradiction to league rules.
It's not a mob yet, it's what happens when justice (not in the vengeance death sense, but pure and adequate justice) is not handed down in accordance with the transgression in the first place...but here's the thing about mob justice. When institutions break down and there is a microcosm or situation that demands retribution according to people's natural sense of justice, a mob is sometimes the only thing.
I mean, it's really the stickiest question of political philosophy, isn't it?
There hasn't been one person in here wanting to convict already. Most are in disbelief this could even remotely come close to happening again. You're putting words in other people's mouths right now. You're the one jumping to the conclusion about people jumping to conclusions, JohnnyU.I love how everyone wants to convict at this point. That sir, is a "mob mentality". I'm all for crucifying the damn Patriots, but not at this juncture.
guilty af if you ask meThere hasn't been one person in here wanting to convict already. Most are in disbelief this could even remotely come close to happening again. You're putting words in other people's mouths right now. You're the one jumping to the conclusion about people jumping to conclusions, JohnnyU.
I disagree. I read posts where they are already insinuating the Patriots are guilty because of the past Spygate. Some of you need to watch "To kill a mockingbird".There hasn't been one person in here wanting to convict already. Most are in disbelief this could even remotely come close to happening again. You're putting words in other people's mouths right now. You're the one jumping to the conclusion about people jumping to conclusions, JohnnyU.
Actually saw a tweet on my Phone and now can't find it but during the spy gate investigation Patriots had a list of excuses ready for it they were caught filming. One is filming info for a team video stuff. The very one nE is using right nowGood lord, I would think it's nothing. We're talking about the darn Bengals here, not Baltimore.
Here it isThe mob gathers and are foaming out the mouth....they get louder and louder with every minute.....KILL, KILL, KILL.
Edited: You guys know how much I hate the Patriots, but come on, withhold judgement until the tapes are reviewed. Damn internet....
Like I said, if there is evidence they filmed the sidelines then hand me a pitch fork, but I WILL NOT be a part of a convicting crowd at this point. It makes no sense to even worry about the damn Bengals. They could beat them with their back up QB.Actually saw a tweet on my Phone and now can't find it but during the spy gate investigation Patriots had a list of excuses ready for it they were caught filming. One is filming info for a team video stuff. The very one nE is using right now
I understand that however kind of hard when one of the excuses the NFL found in prior investigation is one used here.Like I said, if there is evidence they filmed the sidelines then hand me a pitch fork, but I WILL NOT be a part of a convicting crowd at this point.
I looked at this as a total opposite.Like I said, if there is something on the tapes showing them filming the sidelines, then give me a pitch fork and a torch and we will storm Gillette Stadium together.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Bungles knew. Wasn't this a Brown's thing? Hell, the Patriots could be guilty for all I know, but the tape will tell. I just don't think they need film to beat the Bengals, thus the reason why I question all of this.I looked at this as a total opposite.
No way in hell do you, as the Patriots, get anywhere near recording opponents teams, coaches, signs and calls... unless you are cheating.
Let's say you-JohnnyU and me run a team with the Patriots history. No effing way do we do this, unless it's for an advantage.
assuming you personally dont get the chance to review the complete video, what would it take to convince you? at this point it's a report citing someone who witnessed the filming and video.No one hates the Patriots more than me. I mean NO ONE. But you have to just wait until all the facts are in before convicting, even with their past.
So, you think the Patriots are that stupid, to record the sideline of a team they could probably beat with their second team? Even I don't think the Patriots are that stupid. I hope they are!!! I just find it hard to believe.Yep.
And they just recorded the Bengal/Brown game and did not tell/ask the Bengals.
I think only the video is evidence. If it doesn't show the Patriots filming the sidelines, case closed.assuming you personally dont get the chance to review the complete video, what would it take to convince you? at this point it's a report citing someone who witnessed the filming and video.
so you would have to personally review the footage to be convinced?I think only the video is evidence. If it doesn't show the Patriots filming the sidelines, case closed.
If it's you and me... we only do it for 1 reason.So, you think the Patriots are that stupid, to record the sideline of a team they could probably beat with their second team? Even I don't think the Patriots are that stupid. I hope they are!!! I just find it hard to believe.
I think it needs to made public, and I think it will. This will all come out in the wash, one way or another.so you would have to personally review the footage to be convinced?
What are you saying?If it's you and me... we only do it for 1 reason.
One reason and only one.
Otherwise we dont sniff that BS.
it'll be washed all right... white washedI think it needs to made public, and I think it will. This will all come out in the wash, one way or another.