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I think gb has max protected him more (smart) late in the year and given him more time.
I knew the date
Montana went one-and-done in three straight seasons (1985-1987), with zero TDs and 5 INTs in that time span. Tom Brady made one Super Bowl between 2004 and 2011, losing that one (and the one in 2011), and going one-and-done twice.
So, to answer the 5 post seasons without making the SB, you show that not only is that true, he "only" made it to 3 SB in 8 years.CalBear said:
Are you saying a fair amount of production was reliant on WR's doing their job? Like any QB?So, to answer the 5 post seasons without making the SB, you show that not only is that true, he "only" made it to 3 SB in 8 years.
Rodgers is great, but while some stretches of his body of work might be as good as we've ever seen, he showed this year that a fair amount of his production was reliant on Jordy and a healthy Cobb.
I'm saying that a fair amount of his production was based on top end WR doing their job better than 90 % of the league. Having great WRs make a QB look better than they might otherwise look with lesser talent.Are you saying a fair amount of production was reliant on WR's doing their job? Like any QB?So, to answer the 5 post seasons without making the SB, you show that not only is that true, he "only" made it to 3 SB in 8 years.
Rodgers is great, but while some stretches of his body of work might be as good as we've ever seen, he showed this year that a fair amount of his production was reliant on Jordy and a healthy Cobb.
Multiple endpoints. He only made one SB in 6 years.So, to answer the 5 post seasons without making the SB, you show that not only is that true, he "only" made it to 3 SB in 8 years.CalBear said:
Rodgers is great, but while some stretches of his body of work might be as good as we've ever seen, he showed this year that a fair amount of his production was reliant on Jordy and a healthy Cobb.
So again, still doesn't change the never gone a 5 year period of not making it to the super bowl? Solid argument.Multiple endpoints. He only made one SB in 6 years.So, to answer the 5 post seasons without making the SB, you show that not only is that true, he "only" made it to 3 SB in 8 years.CalBear said:
Rodgers is great, but while some stretches of his body of work might be as good as we've ever seen, he showed this year that a fair amount of his production was reliant on Jordy and a healthy Cobb.
And frankly, Rodgers has been massively better than Brady in the post-season. Brady has thrown 3 INTs three times; Rodgers never has. All of Rodgers' postseason rate stats are way higher than Brady's. If you're going to give Brady credit for "getting to the Super Bowl" in 2007 by throwing 3 INTs with a passer rating of 66.4 in the AFC Championship Game, I suppose you can say his stretch from 2005-2010 was better than Rodgers', but that doesn't really make any sense. Or throwing 2 INTs and no TDs with a passer rating of 57.5 in the AFC Championship Game in the 2011 season. Basically, in six AFCCG's Brady's had four bad games.
Honestly, no. A silly stat was put out in defense of another silly stat ( Brady only making 1 SB in 6 years - bookended by SB appearances vs. Rodgers not making a SB for 5 years ).
That's not even an argument. It's a cherry-picked factoid that has nothing to do with how good a QB any of the people involved is.So again, still doesn't change the never gone a 5 year period of not making it to the super bowl? Solid argument.Multiple endpoints. He only made one SB in 6 years.So, to answer the 5 post seasons without making the SB, you show that not only is that true, he "only" made it to 3 SB in 8 years.CalBear said:
Rodgers is great, but while some stretches of his body of work might be as good as we've ever seen, he showed this year that a fair amount of his production was reliant on Jordy and a healthy Cobb.
And frankly, Rodgers has been massively better than Brady in the post-season. Brady has thrown 3 INTs three times; Rodgers never has. All of Rodgers' postseason rate stats are way higher than Brady's. If you're going to give Brady credit for "getting to the Super Bowl" in 2007 by throwing 3 INTs with a passer rating of 66.4 in the AFC Championship Game, I suppose you can say his stretch from 2005-2010 was better than Rodgers', but that doesn't really make any sense. Or throwing 2 INTs and no TDs with a passer rating of 57.5 in the AFC Championship Game in the 2011 season. Basically, in six AFCCG's Brady's had four bad games.
Offensive talent like Greg Jennings? (Best season outside of Green Bay: 804 yards) Or James Jones? (666 yards) The running backs? Seriously, Eddy Lacy and James Starks and Brandon Jackson and Ryan Grant? Jermichael "Bump" Finley? That's a whole lot of "just a guys".
Did you watch Jennings play in GB? Remember Donald Driver? Jermichael Finley?
So what? We need to throw the ball to beat the best teams. That's the job. That's the game.
I agree with you.But compare most qbs yoa, they will be less playoffs (vs great defenses like that) and regular season.
I don't put him ahead of Montana or Brady a all. Few others still in front of him...but his career isn't over.
I loved Donald Driver but he was clearly a workingman's WR who got good numbers only because he had great QB play. I felt the same way about Jennings. Neither of them were difference-makers at WR. Jermichael Finley was a poor man's Vernon Davis; he had exactly one season with more than 5 TDs.
Good point on Brady. I think I put Rodgers right there with him as I view Brady's teams as being better overall. And Gronk. Almost like Montana having Rice.
Interesting...had a shoulder ailment at one point.
I know some are going to flip out, but somebody needs to mention the elephant in the room. Rodgers admitted he had his guys over inflating the footballs in previous years and they weren't able to do that this year. With less air in the ball he obviously couldn't throw it as fast or as far as before and subsequently his comp % drops 5 points from his career average
Makes perfect sense since Rodgers admitted he likes the football over inflated. We can't completely rule this out? Unless you hate the patriots of course..I know some are going to flip out, but somebody needs to mention the elephant in the room. Rodgers admitted he had his guys over inflating the footballs in previous years and they weren't able to do that this year. With less air in the ball he obviously couldn't throw it as fast or as far as before and subsequently his comp % drops 5 points from his career average
Am I convinced this is what happened? No, not at all, but isn't it possible that less air might have at least contributed to some of his problems this year? If you disagree tell me how you can completely rule out the possibility?
Dude, get over it already. Let it go and move on with life. I'm saying this with your best interests in mind.I know some are going to flip out, but somebody needs to mention the elephant in the room. Rodgers admitted he had his guys over inflating the footballs in previous years and they weren't able to do that this year. With less air in the ball he obviously couldn't throw it as fast or as far as before and subsequently his comp % drops 5 points from his career average
Am I convinced this is what happened? No, not at all, but isn't it possible that less air might have at least contributed to some of his problems this year? If you disagree tell me how you can completely rule out the possibility?
And that's the difference between Rodgers and Brady. Rodgers usually has to win the games in the playoffs himself. If he doesn't, they lose (the major exception being the 2010 AFCCG against the Bears). The Patriots have won countless playoff games where Brady didn't play particularly well.
sounds like he was wrong. Then again, Rodgers wasn't on the injury list with a knee this year. How bad could it have been?
True...whatever the reason, it is seemingly the outlier season for him as far as accuracy...so no reason to worry to much that he won't rebound next year.
