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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (3 Viewers)

He was on fire, 1st half vs Jags. Barely threw at all in 2nd half, then when they needed to they couldnt move the ball. Seems like been stuck in neutral since then. 

Was decent on first two drives against giants too now that I think about it. Then flat for last 3 1/2 quarters of that game. 

 
CalBear said:
He was 38 at the time (2003, after his all-Pro 2002 season at 37).

Rodgers will be fine. People were saying the same stuff about Drew Brees six games into last season. That was the game before he went off for 500 yards and 7 TDs. 
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OK, only 300 yards and 3 TDs. Two more that Cobb should have caught (both resulting in FGs).

 
CalBear said:
OK, only 300 yards and 3 TDs. Two more that Cobb should have caught (both resulting in FGs).
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It was the Bears. With their 3rd string QB. 

Im not saying  A-A- Ron is done, but we cant make any difinative conclusions based on a Thursday night garbage match up. 

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
It was the Bears. With their 3rd string QB. 

Im not saying  A-A- Ron is done, but we cant make any difinative conclusions based on a Thursday night garbage match up. 
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And with 56 pass attempts.  What would Brees have done throwing it 56 times?

never been more underwhelmed with 300/3

eta: and nice of Simms and Nantz to frame the argument all night that it's the WRs fault and not his.  Truth lies in the middle.  They certainly can't get open (particularly deep downfield) but his mechanics/timing is off too

 
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Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
And with 56 pass attempts.  What would Brees have done throwing it 56 times?

never been more underwhelmed with 300/3

eta: and nice of Simms and Nantz to frame the argument all night that it's the WRs fault and not his.  Truth lies in the middle.  They certainly can't get open (particularly deep downfield) but his mechanics/timing is off too
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Well let's see: Brees had 54 attempts in week 3 this year, for 376/3TD/1INT (and lost). He had 52 in week 14 last year, for 341/3 (and lost). 57 in week 5 of 2014, for 371/2TD/3INT (and won). 56 in week 14 of 2013, for 393/1TD/2INT (and lost).

So, probably about the same.

 
Warrior said:
It's true, he was very mediocre. With that many pass attempts and with Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb to throw to, most Qbs in the league could have done as well or better.
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You mean Randall Cobb who should have had three TDs on the night but dropped one and failed to get his foot down on the other?

 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
nice of Simms and Nantz to frame the argument all night that it's the WRs fault and not his.  Truth lies in the middle.  They certainly can't get open (particularly deep downfield) his mechanics/timing is off too
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I watched the game, first time watching the Packers this season. I didn't see anything wrong with his mechanics or timing. I did see numerous examples where he had no one open to throw to.

The biggest takeaway I had from this game is that Nelson and Cobb are overrated.

Warrior said:
It's true, he was very mediocre. With that many pass attempts and with Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb to throw to, most Qbs in the league could have done as well or better.
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Without an actual RB? I don't think so.

 
CalBear said:
Well let's see: Brees had 54 attempts in week 3 this year, for 376/3TD/1INT (and lost). He had 52 in week 14 last year, for 341/3 (and lost). 57 in week 5 of 2014, for 371/2TD/3INT (and won). 56 in week 14 of 2013, for 393/1TD/2INT (and lost).

So, probably about the same.
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Where do you go to find specific stats like that so quickly? Profootballreference?

 
CalBear said:
Well let's see: Brees had 54 attempts in week 3 this year, for 376/3TD/1INT (and lost). He had 52 in week 14 last year, for 341/3 (and lost). 57 in week 5 of 2014, for 371/2TD/3INT (and won). 56 in week 14 of 2013, for 393/1TD/2INT (and lost).

So, probably about the same.
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:own3d:

 
tricky92 said:
I think they may have found one last night in Davante Adams. He seemed to really spark the passing game.
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He has had a pretty good year thus far (people have not really paid attention to that).

I don't think he is some big #1.  Good complimentary guy with Cobb in the slot, attention needing to be paid to Montgomery out of the backfield, and then Jordy on the other side of the field.

I think teams will adjust some...but that should be good for GB to get more out of Jordy again.

 
sho nuff said:
He has had a pretty good year thus far (people have not really paid attention to that).

I don't think he is some big #1.  Good complimentary guy with Cobb in the slot, attention needing to be paid to Montgomery out of the backfield, and then Jordy on the other side of the field.

I think teams will adjust some...but that should be good for GB to get more out of Jordy again.
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I was thinking last night in the first half of the game... and it seemed crazy... but I thought they were really missing a player like James Jones. Rodgers thrives when he has options through his progressions. They needed that complimentary third piece that Rodgers will have confidence throwing to.

 
Milkman said:
They need to invest in a big name FA WR this offseason. 
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They also need a play caller who has some imagination.  90% of GB's pass plays look like "let Rodgers drop back and wait for someone to get open."  It's like they are allergic to timing routes, screens, pick plays/rub routes, etc. 

 
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Rodgers would benefit immensely if they were to acquire a couple RBs who were at least average at running the ball but above average pass catchers out of the  backfield.  He has not had that for a while.

Give him a guy like Dion Lewis, or even someone like Sproles, and you would see a much better Rodgers.  He hasn't had anything good out of the backfield for a while.  Also crap at TE.  Also not helping that Jordy isn't as good due to his injury last year. 

Just AVERAGE guys at those RB and TE positions.  Having total garbage really screws up the efficiency

 
'Gunslinger' Excerpt: No Love Lost



Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers and the birth of a strained relationship


...

Sean McHugh, a Packers tight end, said Rodgers was a nice kid with, “California swag.” Which wasn’t the same as Mississippi or Green Bay swag. During that opening camp, then training camp two months later, Rodgers liked to brag about the 35 he scored on the Wonderlic, a test used by NFL teams to assess the aptitude of prospective employees. One day in a quarterbacks meeting he said, “Brett, what did you get on it?”

“I have no idea,” he replied.

“I do,” Rodgers said. “I looked it up. You got a 22.”

When the meeting concluded, Rodgers exited the room first, followed by Darrell Bevell, the quarterbacks coach, then Favre and Nall. “####### Wonderlic score,” Favre mumbled. “Do you believe that ####? I run circles around his ###.”

Rodgers made it a point to sit in the front row of team meetings, and raise his hand to answer every question from the coaches. He was smart and studious, and it all went over like a bowl of maggot-coated Fruit Loops. Eventually, Driver, the veteran receiver and Favre’s close friend, pulled the youngster aside and said, bluntly, “Aaron, we get it. You’re smart. Now shut the #### up.”

Rodgers listened to Driver—for all of four seconds. During drills, he refused to let a play end sans resolution. Were he, for example, flushed from the pocket, a coach might blow the whistle for a re-start. Rodgers, though, kept moving, kept running, kept looking. “He was super competitive, and he would not let the defense win,” said Ruvell Martin, a rookie wide receiver from Saginaw Valley State. “He didn’t care that it was just the scout team. He wanted to win whether it was polite or not.” Oftentimes, after completing a pass against the defense in practice, Rodgers let loose an inane celebratory dance, where he would slide his right foot forward while pretending to roll a dice with his right hand. After enough gazes of disbelief from Favre and Co., Bevell pulled the kid aside and said, “You’ve been on the football field before. Act like it.”

...
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http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/gunslinger-brett-favre-aaron-rodgers-feud-jeff-pearlman-excerpt/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

- I just thought this was an interesting article about Favre and Rodgers and wasn't sure where else to put it.

 
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28/38, 246/4, and a go-ahead fourth-quarter score and 2-point conversion. Without Cobb and Montgomery. Plus leading the team in rushing with 60 yards. Unfortunately he can't play defense.

 
He was great til that last 30 seconds. Definitely impressive while having to rely on Geronimo, Janis, and Davis.

 
sho nuff said:
Who have been failing to get separation too...meaning he has had to rely on those other guys to make plays .
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Maybe if Rodgers started throwing the ball on time, this separation excuse would be different. It's odd only GB WR's don't get separation...

 
tdmills said:
Maybe if Rodgers started throwing the ball on time, this separation excuse would be different. It's odd only GB WR's don't get separation...
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Oh, sure, some of its on him this year.  He was better today throwing into tight windows or throwing guys open.

 
I'll tell you what - I've never seen anybody so cool, calm, confident.  He was in total control tonight.  Made the game look easy.

 
Against a crappy team, he looked good.  His defense did not dig him a hole.  They will maybe have similar luck next weekend against Houston.  However Seattle is going to trounce them.  Defense will sit back on it's heels and that's the Packers' kryptonite.  

 
Sabertooth said:
Against a crappy team, he looked good.  His defense did not dig him a hole.  They will maybe have similar luck next weekend against Houston.  However Seattle is going to trounce them.  Defense will sit back on it's heels and that's the Packers' kryptonite.  
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That crappy D looked pretty good vs Atlanta and Matt Ryan two weeks ago. 

 
I meant the team (Philly) as a whole isn't very good.  They were without their top receiver for much of the game.  Thus the Packers were able to contain their offense despite having terrible defensive backs.  This allowed the Packers to get on top and stay on top.  This won't be the case against Russell Wilson.  He will carve the Packers milquetoast defense up.   It will be a dogfight and the Packers offense won't be able put together 12 play drives.

The Packers offense really protected their D last night.  They controlled the clock better than I've seen in years at the end of the game.  I don't think they can do that vs. Seattle nor do I think the will be in a position to.  

 
Sabertooth said:
I meant the team (Philly) as a whole isn't very good.  They were without their top receiver for much of the game.  Thus the Packers were able to contain their offense despite having terrible defensive backs.  This allowed the Packers to get on top and stay on top.  This won't be the case against Russell Wilson.  He will carve the Packers milquetoast defense up.   It will be a dogfight and the Packers offense won't be able put together 12 play drives.

The Packers offense really protected their D last night.  They controlled the clock better than I've seen in years at the end of the game.  I don't think they can do that vs. Seattle nor do I think the will be in a position to.  
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I gotcha and agree. 

 
So much for him running around more,  He's got that hamstring problem.  It was nice picking up an extra 30 yards rushing a game, and a chance at the running score.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
His qbr last 16 games is like 83
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Just looping back on this because there's a real point to be made (not as a "told you so"):

Since this discussion about what was wrong with Rodgers, he's had eight games in a row with multiple TDs, six of those with over 300 total yards. If the Packers make the playoffs he may be the MVP. 

The lesson being, don't doubt talent. Everyone goes through down periods, but if you're the best, you're the best.

 
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CalBear said:
Just looping back on this because there's a real point to be made (not as a "told you so"):

Since this discussion about what was wrong with Rodgers, he's had eight games in a row with multiple TDs, six of those with over 300 total yards. If the Packers make the playoffs he may be the MVP. 

The lessing being, don't doubt talent. Everyone goes through down periods, but if you're the best, you're the best.
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Hes a beast. But he had a very weird cold streak. Maybe he was hurt. Whi knows

 
CalBear said:
Just looping back on this because there's a real point to be made (not as a "told you so"):

Since this discussion about what was wrong with Rodgers, he's had eight games in a row with multiple TDs, six of those with over 300 total yards. If the Packers make the playoffs he may be the MVP. 

The lesson being, don't doubt talent. Everyone goes through down periods, but if you're the best, you're the best.
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He has definitely turned things around (as has the team and to an extent the playcalling has been much better).

I think they finally have that trust back in Adams...and McCarthy is realizing what they have in Montgomery.  Add in Cooks starting to click with Rodgers it all helps.  Another big thing...I think they know where they are with Jordy.  More of that possession guy now than what he was pre-injury.  Odd also that he has played this well now while both his hamstring and now Calf are bothering him.

Big thumbs up to the Oline this year too.

 
The only questions now seems to be, which remaining game (regular season or playoff) is he going to lead the Packers to an epic fail?   We all know it is going to happen.

 
voiceofunreason said:
Cobb was a free agent. How'd that work out? Seriously you are the craziest poster of 2016. Always 100% certain, rarely right.
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Lol I guess that's why I won my scoring title and championship in my biggest league because I'm rarely right. Broke the all time scoring record too.....by almost 200 points for the season. 

Lol yeah rarely right. Hahaha GTFO I'm owning fools. 

 
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Underachievers said:
The only questions now seems to be, which remaining game (regular season or playoff) is he going to lead the Packers to an epic fail?   We all know it is going to happen.
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Who knows. But if it's not next week they will be one of the hottest teams entering the playoffs. Could be scary. 

 
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