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QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (2 Viewers)

At no point will anything ever be Rodgers fault in a thread designed to worship him. His problems with his family is his family's fault. His last break up, his ex's fault. The fact that he has one title, everyone else's fault. Give me a break and get off your knees. He is not the best QB in the league. That is saved for guys who win when it counts most. 

 
georg013 said:
At no point will anything ever be Rodgers fault in a thread designed to worship him. His problems with his family is his family's fault. His last break up, his ex's fault. The fact that he has one title, everyone else's fault. Give me a break and get off your knees. He is not the best QB in the league. That is saved for guys who win when it counts most. 
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You really have some issues

 
I'm no Rodgers fan and don't really have a horse in this race, but the anti-Rodgers crowd is coming across as very petty and silly here.

As it regards directly to Brady, Brady's team has won a lot of playoff games where Brady played worse than Rodgers has today.  Like, I dunno....last week.

 
georg013 said:
At no point will anything ever be Rodgers fault in a thread designed to worship him. His problems with his family is his family's fault. His last break up, his ex's fault. The fact that he has one title, everyone else's fault. Give me a break and get off your knees. He is not the best QB in the league. That is saved for guys who win when it counts most. 
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I'm just looking at the stats and using those to compare Brady vs Rodgers.   :shrug:  

 
Rodgers has played OK throughout the game but the play calling and the mistakes were crippling. And let's be honest, Rodgers has been good but not sharp. He has looked shaken and bothered all game.

 
georg013 said:
What Brady lacks with his legs, he more than compensates with his head and championship drive. Rodgers will never considered the best QB in the league at any point except by the fanboys in fantasy football circles. Good try though.
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Yet in the GB team thread you just said that Rodgers is the best QB in the league.       :loco:  

 
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georg013 said:
That exceptional, game changing ability is really showing up today. I totally get what everyone is talking about in here. Let me guess, NOW it's a team game, right? We are going to blame the team for this? Or maybe coaching? 0 points in the biggest game in a VERY long time. Hopefully the best quarterback to play the game wakes up soon. Brady would never allow this type of shyt to happen to his team. SMH.
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Keep trolling all you want, but no with a brain who watched the game would blame today's debacle on Rodgers. 

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Rodgers QB rating today was higher than Brady's career playoff rating.
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And I also heard the Pats defense hasn't given up a play of more than 20 yards is 6 quarters of playoff football.  GB gives up one of those a series.

 
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I don't like the Packers or Rodgers.  In fact this game was the most enjoyable game I watched all year and I thought Rodger was pretty average.  That being said, I still think Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL right now.  Even better than Brady.  There just a huge part of me that thinks Brady has a lot to owe to the system he's in.

 
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Rodgers is also the beneficiary of a coach who seemingly hates the run and a defense that couldn't stop a newborn from rolling off a bed. We can just agree to disagree on this one. Honestly, I am not a Brady apologist. I dont care for him as much as you would like to think. But, objectively speaking, he is the better QB in my eyes. Cry about it and make excuses all you want. Part of the knock on Elway's "greatness" was that he never won a Superbowl. Until he did. Twice. I would be willing to call Rodgers the greatest QB who only won one Superbowl while running around extending drives because the coach refuses to run Lacy more than 13 times per game and chucking the ball up 50 times a game. Hopefully that will keep you happy. Lol. 

 
In 7 playoff losses with Aaron Rodgers as the starting QB, the Packers D has allowed an average of 36 points PER GAME. I defy any QB to win playoff games on a regular basis when your defense is giving up that many points. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
In 7 playoff losses with Aaron Rodgers as the starting QB, the Packers D has allowed an average of 36 points PER GAME. I defy any QB to win playoff games on a regular basis when your defense is giving up that many points. 
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Yet the year GB won the Super Bowl(2010) the Defense was 2nd in the NFL in points against. But i'm sure you give them the credit their due...

 
Ghost Rider said:
In 7 playoff losses with Aaron Rodgers as the starting QB, the Packers D has allowed an average of 36 points PER GAME. I defy any QB to win playoff games on a regular basis when your defense is giving up that many points. 
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Not for nothing but I did a quick scan of the recent comments in the NE/Pitt thread (easily could have missed a post or 2), but it kinda jumped out how biased u r with ur qbs. U complimented NEs line when brady is making plays then compliment Ben when he made a play (as if he doesn't have a great line).

Your right, when defs give up 30+ points a game your likely to lose, but you know what, your likely to to lose if you lead your team to zero points in the first 2 1/2 quarters. You can't pretend putting up a goose egg in the 1st half  (2 3 n outs, int and a 3 n out to start the 2nd half when behind 17-0) didn't play a big role in atl building that 31 point lead. Then he scores a few TDs in what amounts to garbage time and ala manning the tire pumpers can look at the box score and say see he really played well when no he really didn't. You will go to great lengths to make excuses for him (his recs, his line, etc etc), but not for brady. (just sayin)

I am on record as saying Rodgers is terrific and he is sometimes (he really let me down today), but that same talent that allows him to scramble around and make big plays sometimes leads him to looking for big plays when he and his team would be MUCH better off if he just dropped back and fired quickly. IMHO, the very same style (scrambling and making great throws on the run eliciting the ooohs and aaaahs and the goat nonsense) also leads to inconsistency sometimes, wouldn't you agree?

Afaic everything he did after falling behind 31-0 was virtually meaningless, great for his stats, but it was garbage time and his team had no chance at that point.

 
People have a short memory. Yeah everything is rolling right now but Brady had plenty of average playoff games. I remember watching them against the Ravens a few years ago and they couldn't buy a first down until the fourth quarter. But now they honestly are so far ahead of everyone else in the coaching department it's scary. Yeah Brady is good, even great, but my god he was throwing to wide open wrs all over the place. He made a handful of tough completions the whole game and about 20 easy as cake plays. It's usually the other way around.

It's really hard to judge because it's a team game, and heavily influenced by coaching. But if you switched the qbs, Rodgers is taking the Patriots to the super bowl and Brady never made it to Atlanta imo.

Doesn't hurt that the Pats play the Jets, Dolphins and Bills 6 times a year and have an automatic division win. No other team has had such a prolonged stretch of horrible division teams to beat up on every year. I mean who's the best qb for the jets, dolphins and bills the last 15 years? I think it might be Tannehill.

It's a bit of a perfect storm. Great qb, the best coach in the history of the game and horrible division foes. It's very hard for me to say that Brady could go to Cleveland and win super bowls. He'd be a very good qb, but he'd probably be a choker because they never won anything.

 
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NE_REVIVAL said:
Not for nothing but I did a quick scan of the recent comments in the NE/Pitt thread (easily could have missed a post or 2), but it kinda jumped out how biased u r with ur qbs. U complimented NEs line when brady is making plays then compliment Ben when he made a play (as if he doesn't have a great line).

Your right, when defs give up 30+ points a game your likely to lose, but you know what, your likely to to lose if you lead your team to zero points in the first 2 1/2 quarters. You can't pretend putting up a goose egg in the 1st half  (2 3 n outs, int and a 3 n out to start the 2nd half when behind 17-0) didn't play a big role in atl building that 31 point lead. Then he scores a few TDs in what amounts to garbage time and ala manning the tire pumpers can look at the box score and say see he really played well when no he really didn't. You will go to great lengths to make excuses for him (his recs, his line, etc etc), but not for brady. (just sayin)

I am on record as saying Rodgers is terrific and he is sometimes (he really let me down today), but that same talent that allows him to scramble around and make big plays sometimes leads him to looking for big plays when he and his team would be MUCH better off if he just dropped back and fired quickly. IMHO, the very same style (scrambling and making great throws on the run eliciting the ooohs and aaaahs and the goat nonsense) also leads to inconsistency sometimes, wouldn't you agree?

Afaic everything he did after falling behind 31-0 was virtually meaningless, great for his stats, but it was garbage time and his team had no chance at that point.
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You must have missed many points, in many threads, because I give Brady props a lot, and I think most Steelers fans would say I am generally critical of Ben (largely because I think he is a tier 2 QB, not elite).  The play I gave props to Brady's line was when he had forever to throw; was that not incredible blocking?? 

Holding Rodgers responsible for today at all is foolish.  It was 17-0 and he had had the ball twice: once where he kicked missed a very makable FG, and the second possession saw him marching right down the field only for the FB to fumble inside the Atlanta 10. 

It is hard to win any playoff game when your defense is allowing a score on nearly every possession.

I agree that GB's offense would benefit if they had more timing plays - I have been saying that for a while - but I think that is more on McCarthy; it is his job to design the offense and call plays. 

 
voiceofunreason said:
People have a short memory. Yeah everything is rolling right now but Brady had plenty of average playoff games. I remember watching them against the Ravens a few years ago and they couldn't buy a first down until the fourth quarter. But now they honestly are so far ahead of everyone else in the coaching department it's scary. Yeah Brady is good, even great, but my god he was throwing to wide open wrs all over the place. He made a handful of tough completions the whole game and about 20 easy as cake plays. It's usually the other way around.

It's really hard to judge because it's a team game, and heavily influenced by coaching. But if you switched the qbs, Rodgers is taking the Patriots to the super bowl and Brady never made it to Atlanta imo.

Doesn't hurt that the Pats play the Jets, Dolphins and Bills 6 times a year and have an automatic division win. No other team has had such a prolonged stretch of horrible division teams to beat up on every year. I mean who's the best qb for the jets, dolphins and bills the last 15 years? I think it might be Tannehill.

It's a bit of a perfect storm. Great qb, the best coach in the history of the game and horrible division foes. It's very hard for me to say that Brady could go to Cleveland and win super bowls. He'd be a very good qb, but he'd probably be a choker because they never won anything.
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I agree with much of what u wrote, teammates and coaches are critical, but the weak division thing doesn't really hold water when compared to other divisions. As for teh open recs, you do understand that he is often changing plays at the los based on what he sees.

The other thing I disagree with is that Rodgers would just step in and win as much with BB. Im not saying he wouldn't have won (he would), but dropping back and making quick decisive throws is not really his game. He is more of an improviser and while I think he would have had some success i think the style he plays leads itself to inconsistency so similar success to brady its far from a given imho and there is no way of knowing.  

 
There's no arguing with UNREASON. Believe what you want to believe but there is still only one GOAT and that's Tom Brady. When Rodgers rattles off 3SB wins in a row, or even 2, then there's a discussion. Until then, enjoy the ice-fishing!

 
Ghost Rider said:
You must have missed many points, in many threads, because I give Brady props a lot, and I think most Steelers fans would say I am generally critical of Ben (largely because I think he is a tier 2 QB, not elite).  The play I gave props to Brady's line was when he had forever to throw; was that not incredible blocking?? 

Holding Rodgers responsible for today at all is foolish.  It was 17-0 and he had had the ball twice: once where he kicked missed a very makable FG, and the second possession saw him marching right down the field only for the FB to fumble inside the Atlanta 10. 

It is hard to win any playoff game when your defense is allowing a score on nearly every possession.

I agree that GB's offense would benefit if they had more timing plays - I have been saying that for a while - but I think that is more on McCarthy; it is his job to design the offense and call plays. 
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Well like i said I just skimmed the recent comments and the props to the NE OL and then the props to Ben kinda jumped out; I htought Brady was terrific today.

Im not giving Rodgers all or even most of the blame, but I sure as heck think giving him some of it is warranted. Yes, if your def doesn't stop the opposing team you can't win and thats who gets most of the blame in this case.   

 
Aaron Rodgers completed 28-of-42 passes for 311 yards, one touchdown and one interception in the Packers' 17-9, Week 1 win over the Seahawks.

It was Rodgers' 50th career 300-yard game. It wasn't an easy day for the perennial MVP candidate, but he slowly wore out a Seahawks defense that was forced to spend nearly 40 minutes of game time on the field. Rodgers took a beating, absorbing four sacks, but also had success spreading the ball around, targeting at least six players four times. Rodgers also earned a number of free plays with his pre-snap mastery. He gets the Falcons for a likely shootout in Week 2.

Sep 10 - 7:45 PM
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ESPN's Rob Demovsky reports the Packers are "holding out hope" Aaron Rodgers (collarbone, IR) can return Week 15 against the Panthers.

Rodgers is out for at least the next eight games, but the Packers think there's a chance he'll be back when first eligible. It's an aggressive timetable that sounds like a best-case scenario. Rodgers missed only seven games with a 2013 collarbone fracture. The Packers will need to stay in playoff contention for Rodgers to return this year.

Source: ESPN

Oct 20 - 6:10 PM
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Have people moved on and dropped Rodgers in redraft or is there still hope for a Week 15 return?

From what I've read, he's on track to be adequately recovered health-wise.

With the Packers at 4-4, I'm thinking of waiting for the outcome of this week's CHI game...a loss would pretty much slam the door on playoff contention.

 
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Aaron Rodgers practiced "a little" on Saturday.

Rapoport went on to say there have been "no setbacks" and is on track to play in Week 15. He should be rostered in fantasy leagues as a high-upside QB stash.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 

Dec 2 - 1:43 PM
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Coach Mike McCarthy indicated Monday that the Packers won't know Aaron Rodgers' (collarbone) Week 15 availability until next week.

It's Week 14, of course, and Rodgers is technically eligible to be activated from I.R./return next week. McCarthy is calling Rodgers' recent return to practice "a trial return." "That's why we call it trial return because he's not cut loose for a full practice," McCarthy said. "The medical clearance will not be (an option) until next week." Brett Hundley will make at least one more start. Rodgers is worth stashing for fantasy leaguers in the playoffs.

Source: Rob Demovsky on Twitter 

Dec 4 - 5:02 PM
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Packers coach Mike McCarthy remained noncommittal on Monday when asked about Aaron Rodgers' (collarbone) Week 15 availability.

McCarthy said he's expecting a final decision to come from team Dr. Pat McKenzie on Tuesday. "In (Rodgers') mind, he's ready to go if you watch him process," said McCarthy. "But this is a medical decision. Dr. McKenzie is in touch with a number of medical experts." Rodgers underwent a CT scan on Monday, and doctors are still evaluating the results. Rodgers has reportedly impressed in practice, but he won't be cleared to play until his collarbone has fully healed.

Source: Rob Demovsky on Twitter 

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Honestly I think it's a little silly to rush him back. 

And while I'm not the sort who roots for injury, nor would I want anyone to deliberately hurt anyone else, if I'm an opposing DC, it would be very tempting to tell my DL/LB "take the 15 for a late hit" on the 1st series. 

I know it's not classy. But this is the NFL. This stuff happens.

And even if it's a legit sack, how will freshly knitted bones respond?  This is your franchise Green Bay - why would you risk that? 

I don't like it. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Honestly I think it's a little silly to rush him back. 

And while I'm not the sort who roots for injury, nor would I want anyone to deliberately hurt anyone else, if I'm an opposing DC, it would be very tempting to tell my DL/LB "take the 15 for a late hit" on the 1st series. 

I know it's not classy. But this is the NFL. This stuff happens.

And even if it's a legit sack, how will freshly knitted bones respond?  This is your franchise Green Bay - why would you risk that? 

I don't like it. 
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Because "your franchise" is 34 years old. Seasons are valuable. Seasons where you can still make the playoffs are even more valuable.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Wouldn’t they need to win out and also get help from other teams?
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They need to win out, and have Carolina lose one other game (after losing to Green Bay next weekend), or Seattle lose one game. More or less. There are some other less likely scenarios.

 
There's no greater risk today than in 2018 if the bone has healed sufficiently. I believe the magic number was 85%. Reason being, the plate actually makes the clavicle stronger than without. For as long as that plate is in place he'll actually be at less risk to break the bone than he was prior to the injury. Rodgers will likely keep the plate until he retires and really doesn't even need to have it removed ever if there are no complications from having it in there.

 
CalBear said:
They need to win out, and have Carolina lose one other game (after losing to Green Bay next weekend), or Seattle lose one game. More or less. There are some other less likely scenarios.
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2 tough games (@Panthers, Vs Vikings) and one coin flip (@DET) 

two road games.

I’m calling it: if they make the playoffs they’re gonna win the SB. 

 
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