Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah, I specifically said redraft - I’ve said before he’s a very good pick in dynasty at anywhere from 1.02 on.
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RB Nick Chubb, CLE (6 Viewers)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
He just fell to 1.11 in one of my leagues. Couldn’t believe it but I couldn’t get a trade done to move up.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In dynasty that's crazy - while I wouldnt say Hyde is gone for sure next year I would guess that if he is still around he'd likely be in more of a backup role to Chubb.
Chubb is surely a talent - I'll pass in redraft most likely but as I said in a dynasty rookie draft he should start to be considered as soon as 1.02 and should be gone by no later than 1.06.
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Dropped to my 1.11 pick in one of my dynasty leagues (12 team) also. It's a 2 QB league though so not quite as dramatic (though I was still surprised). I also happened to own Hyde in that league.
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Elevencents
Footballguy
Wish Chubb went pretty much anywhere but Cleveland. I really like the kid. I just can’t take him in redraft with Hyde there. Hyde is no slouch and I expect him to have a decent season. Hopefully Hyde is gone next year then I will reevaluate.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I'm sitting at 1.03 in a couple leagues, and I really feel the "want" to draft Chubb there, but being ppr and him not a great pass catcher, I'm wondering if trading down is best. That's the only question/concern I have on Chubb, otherwise I'd be super thrilled. Especially with Duke there it's almost a requirement to take Penny at 3 no?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
In two 16 team/PPR rookie drafts that started this week...Chubb was the 8th offensive player chosen in one and 6th in the other
they both went...Barkley, Guice, Penny 1-3
It certainly feels that way. But Chris Carson is a better player than Duke, IMO. And the Cleveland OL is better than Seattle's. But Seattle's offense as a whole is better and Penny was drafted earlier (if only 8 spots).
Personally, I don't feel great about Penny and like Chubb as an overall talent better. I'd be feverishly seeking a way to trade back if I was you. And if it doesn't work, I'd take the guy I'd rather own for 10 years.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
If I hold 1.3 and I'm playing PPR I'm taking Michel or Chubb. Penny is actually my RB 7 or 8 in this class.
Chubb went 1.6 in my league FWIW
I agree, I would try to trade back. can land Rojo or another good RB if Michel and Chubb are both taken. Or could even grab Penny if you really do like him. Carson is much better than people think
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Waldman goes over a few ways that Tyrod Taylor will benefit Cleveland's run game.
Go to the link for the full read and video illustrations/examples of each point.
Matt Waldman’s RSP NFL Lens: Tyrod Taylor’s Impact on the Browns’ Ground Game
Haley has a mobile QB in Tyrod Taylor whose legs allow some Run Pass Options which aren't used a lot but he will sprinkle in RPOs.
Waldman gives his take and you can see how this could open up the running game to benefit Chubb and the rest of the Browns backfield.
Go to the link for the full read and video illustrations/examples of each point.
Matt Waldman’s RSP NFL Lens: Tyrod Taylor’s Impact on the Browns’ Ground Game
Todd Haley, Browns new OC and he has used a lot of misdirection in his running attack.
Haley has a mobile QB in Tyrod Taylor whose legs allow some Run Pass Options which aren't used a lot but he will sprinkle in RPOs.
Waldman gives his take and you can see how this could open up the running game to benefit Chubb and the rest of the Browns backfield.
TripItUp
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Chubb is an athletic freak even after the injury. Hes bigger, faster, stronger, quicker and has better vision. And he can't be a worse reciever than Hyde. The browns are looking to win not make a rookie sit for the year just to make him earn it. Duke Johnson bothers me but Hyde isn't a threat at all imo.
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TripItUp
Footballguy
We'll, the latest coach speak out of Cleveland is that they'll "ride the hot hand", and Hyde has proven effective when healthy and is currently #1 on the depth chart.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Elevencents
Footballguy
You really don’t think Hyde is a threat? It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me as to why they brought him in but now that they have him I find it hard to believe they won’t use him. As I said before, it’s not like he’s a bum just named the starter by default. And he’s young. Chubb is obviously the future but I just don’t see him getting the playing time this year to make him viable in redraft.
TripItUp
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Very few people are talking about redraft this time of year. But they signed Hyde long before the draft and had a ton of cap space. People need to get over thinking about how much each is paid, the best player will be on the field and I can’t see anything Hyde does better. I mean he was pretty much given the back seat at the end of last year to Breida and the 49ers made no attempt to keep him. I liked Hyde coming out but his vision is poor, he’s a really bad pass catcher and he was never in Chubb’s class. It’s a bit like AP going to the Vikings who had a solid back on Chester Taylor. Sure it’ll slow him down the first month or 2 but the Browns didn’t spend an early pick on a rb to let him learn from the bench for a few years.
JPeso
Footballguy
Nice situational call with Chester and AP. Also, Murray and Cook more recently. Murray is/was competent enough as a short-term lead back.
JPeso
Footballguy
As someone who drafted Duke in numerous devy leagues in his time at Miami, and drafted him in nearly every league in the 1.11-2.2 range as a rookie, I’m still a Duke fan and loves what he brings to the field, but his presence as a pass catcher doesn’t stop Chubb from being a value at 1.3 or better in rookie drafts. He’s the 1.1 in most classes in my book, including last year’s crew with Fournette, Mixon, McCaffrey. Seeing him drop to 1.5-1.8 in various leagues has been the head scratcher of this year’s rookie class, again my opinion I understand that. I see one prolific talent when I watch him.
zamboni
Footballguy
Totally agree on the talent, but hard to get past the situation. If Chubb is not going to be on the field much in passing situations, that obviously takes away a lot of fantasy opportunities. Can't expect the Browns to playing ball control on a regular basis.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Oh, so he *is* at training camp. This might be the first blurb I have come across yet.
JPeso
Footballguy
Thanks @Bracie Smathers for posting the link in the overall training camp thread.
5 Browns who have shined through 5 days of training camp
RB Nick Chubb: Nicknamed “Old School” by teammate Duke Johnson, Chubb has lived up to that moniker in practice, turning heads with a physical, no-frills running style that’ll surely endear himself to fans in Cleveland.
“He’s a football player and a really good football player,” Jackson said. “There’s a lot to him more so than what people think because he just looks like the guy that comes downhill and here we go, but he has some versatility to him, as well. There are some instincts, real runner’s instincts that I see. I think that he’s a talented runner.”
5 Browns who have shined through 5 days of training camp
RB Nick Chubb: Nicknamed “Old School” by teammate Duke Johnson, Chubb has lived up to that moniker in practice, turning heads with a physical, no-frills running style that’ll surely endear himself to fans in Cleveland.
“He’s a football player and a really good football player,” Jackson said. “There’s a lot to him more so than what people think because he just looks like the guy that comes downhill and here we go, but he has some versatility to him, as well. There are some instincts, real runner’s instincts that I see. I think that he’s a talented runner.”
JPeso
Footballguy
Browns eager to unleash RB Nick Chubb, their quiet, confident rookie with proud history of overcoming adversity
Love this guy - talent, mentality, taking his craft seriously (including taking care of his body), quiet confidence.
Love this guy - talent, mentality, taking his craft seriously (including taking care of his body), quiet confidence.
Taken from DLF Forum and I agree:
http://forum.dynastyleaguefootball.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=168051&start=60
massraider
Footballguy
Hope he doesn't do a god darned thing in the preseason, I have two drafts coming up.
Check his catch out of the backfield, the way he compactly jukes guys, then runs others over for extra yards. He's the prototype.
Check his catch out of the backfield, the way he compactly jukes guys, then runs others over for extra yards. He's the prototype.
OOF.......that is not a good sign for the Browns in general but gives hope that Chubb is the real deal if the O-line can right the ship.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Highly doubt the bolded, unless he looks bad this season. Unlikely Hyde returns in 2019, with Chubb entering the 2019 offseason looking likely at feature back workload in a rising offense. His price won’t be cheaper next offseason, unless of course he flops in his opportunities this year. If you think he’ll suck and look bad this year, then of course his value is likely to depress. I’m doubting any Chubb owner parts with him for a late 1st next year unless he tears his ACL again.
jtd13
Footballguy
I got him at 8, but would have taken him at 4. I'm not expecting much this year, so my valuation of him won't change if he is stuck behind Hyde for a year. He's a long term pick.
There will be some leagues with stubborn (maybe rightfully so) Chubb owners, but many leagues will have a disappointed owner who likes a shiny new object at 1.7 - 1.12 in a rookie draft and will trade him for the pick. Happens frequently enough, that "highly doubting" is highly suspect.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, after they dump Hyde next year I'm sure his value will plummet.
Elevencents
Footballguy
100%. If we’re talking re-evaluation on the micro scale his value is at its lowest right now after his showing if people are looking solely at the numbers. There is no way he is less valuable next year when he has the backfield to himself. Current owners will hold onto him with an iron grip if he has a bad year because you don’t sell at your low point - you get equal parts frustrated/excited because now is your chance to reap the reward.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
And Browns' OL needs time to jell after losing their veteran Joe Thomas. And not to mention my belief on Browns as one of deep sleepers for high-scoring teams this year. If not this year, then next year and beyond (they have really done well in rebuilding during offseason). Feel free to bump this up next offseason then. Guess we’ll see how highly suspect that stance is and how many Chubb owners are dumping him for a late 1st in 2019.
