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I suppose it depends on the league QB scoring. Looking at the draft, there will be a very good player at 1.07. You have Harris, Chase, Williams, Etienne, Waddle, Bateman, and Smith. I could see a team wanting one of those players in a league that has crappy scoring for a QB (like 4 pts per TD).
I agree. I young, proven top QB not far from where you'd have to draft Lawrence to hope to get similar production.
Wow. Fairly even, depending on need. Give me Sanders. Should have been able to make off with a late second, too, for that deal.
Absolutely Murray, without hesitation...not a lot to give up for what you are getting...an elite QB that will be 24 years old in August that will not only put up big time points for you but will also allow you to focus your resources on other positions, love the stability of this deal...it's an absolute steal!
About right IMO in 1 QB. I definitely wouldn’t give a top 6 pick for him at this time. Maybe not even 7 if hot for Pitts.Cjw_55106 said:
Size sure, style I'm not sure I agree. The dude slides almost every time he runs. Somehow in 2 years he has not yet taken a single solid hit it seems like.
He was hurt the last third-ish of the season.(After getting hit week 11 versus Miami)
When I had him in that Superflex last year the first thing that struck me was that he looked like a small boy out there. It was really disconcerting to watch, in a way.
Oh, I agree that he’s a very good QB, with room to grow (no pun intended) but like you I get a bit taken aback when I see him in the huddle. When you see a pass rush you almost get afraid for him as if he was a boy. He is very good at avoiding the rush and knowing when to slide. I’m rooting for him just because he’s so different - even Brees, Baker and Jackson never seemed that small out there.
Is any non-running quarterback a constant top-flight fantasy QB besides Mahomes, though? And can't all of the running QBs get hurt on just one play, making them all unstable bets as cornerstones? I mean, I take your point about Murray being exceptionally small. No wonder he never got measured again after his initial combine measurement.
I think people are conflating running QBs with QBs that can run.
I get what you're saying and that's why I said Patrick or Dak. I consider Dak a passing QB who can and wasn't afraid to run. Murray is much less a running QB than Jackson. Murray's more on a par with Allen, who runs a lot, too. I mean Allen's and Buffalo's game this year was predicated on his rushing prowess. I'd consider both of them skirting the line between running QBs and QBs that can run.
Continuing on the idea of who I would consider in the category of "Is any non-running quarterback a constant top-flight fantasy QB besides Mahomes, though?"...
I should have said "consistent" instead of "constant," but I think you got my meaning. "Constant" is the wrong word there. I think I briefly thought of "all other things held constant..." for a moment to make a different point, but that's not what I was trying to say. I'm talking consistency here.
You do realize he was hurt, correct? The injury directly correlated with his drop off in rushing stats in the latter part of the season. And if you watched him play you could clearly tell he was not close to 100%. Obviously the rushing trajectory he was on through the first half of the season was not sustainable. Pretty sure he would’ve been right there with Lamar’s 2019 season if so. And speaking of Lamar, there’s a wide gap between him and Kyler as passers, too.
I was wondering while reading that exactly how perfect on the tee that was for you.
I think it’s premature and unfair to say that that sort of thing is going to be the norm after one season with him. Does he take some stupid and unnecessary sacks sometimes? For sure. To me, that’s the thing he needs to work on most. But when he scrambles he very rarely even absorbs contact because he’s so savvy with either getting out of bounds or sliding. Like a much faster Russell Wilson.
He still put up 6.5 points per game on the ground after the Miami game (discounting week 17 where he only played a few snaps), which is still a significant number.
It's also worth noting that Kyler was a 23 year old in his second season this year when he put up 4000 yards and 26 TDs passing in 15 games. Dak in his second year put up 3200 yards and 22 TDs in 16 games. Josh Allen 3000 yards with 20 TDs in his 2nd year.
So he suffers one injury in his second year and we suddenly have a precedent? Poor Joe Burrow.
No, but you made Andy's point for him. That's all I was saying. Murray missed two or so games last year with hamstring problems, too. This year he had both shoulder and ankle issues. I'm not chalking him up to injury-prone or anything, but his size/height/weight and missing -- I think -- about four games in two years gives me at least a little pause.
He hasn't missed a single game. But yes he was more nicked up then I remembered.
Exactly. It's the very reasons that explain away his lowered output that are the reasons I'd take about ten other guys before him.
Ah, okay. He was my fantasy QB that year and I remember him having either no performances or awful performances with the hamstring at the end of the year. He hasn't missed a game, it seems.
Didn’t the Cards have some OL issues last year that exacerbated that situation?
I was a Lamar owner in a SF league and moved him + Marquise Brown for Watson. Lamar is a brilliant runner but I have serious reservations about his long term prospects.
I like that deal. I’m a bigger Watson fan for FF & worry about Jackson’s arm and his longevity.
I paid something like 3 1sts for Kelce last year in a diff league. This looked real cheap to me too.
One of the FFPC orphans I bought has Kelce in it and despite his age I think it would take a Godfather offer to get him from me. As long as my team is competitive. I just think he is going to be hungry to ride out Mahomes/Hill prime and that there is still a huge competitive edge to be had with him. There are lots of aging vets on people's trade blocks but I honestly don't think I've seen a single one with Kelce, and not sure if I've seen any deals with him either.
FFPC is TE premium isn’t it? 1st trade is a massive rape job.
Team that acquired Kelce and Ridley knocked this off season out of the park, IMO. FFPC consolidation time and he did just that. Gave up bunch of depth and got two huge difference makers which is what FFPC is all about. Good on him to put his roster in a position to make moves like this and then being able to get them done.
The first trade is beyond awful and should have been overturned but if I'm the guy who would have got Fant but saw it overturned I'm non to happy seeing him dealt to someone else for 50 cents on the dollar. Good of you to recognize he was a bargain though.
I’d rather have Gabriel Davis over Fant, let alone give the 2.06 in this draft. I think you are overvaluing Fant. I would rather have any of the top 3 TEs in this draft over Fant or Hockenson, especially the top two. Freiermuth could be there at 2.06 and Jordan most certainly will be.
I like this move for Fant a lot...he has a chance to be a perennial top 5 TE (and worst case he is a starting level TE)...he's only 23 and even though he had injury issues and a rocky QB situation he still ended up 62-673-3...I don't think you gave up anything you can't replace pretty easily...I don't see much exposure for you in this deal.
I disagree. Fant is entering his prime. Any rookie TE, even Pitts, will likely need a year or two to adjust. Give me the sure thing in Fant without the wait.
No comparison in talent between Pitts and Fant. I agree with you about adjustment, but I’m not sold on Denver’s QB situation either. I also believe Freiermuth and Jordan are just as good, if not better, than Fant. Both of which will probably be there at 2.06 (Jordan for sure) and he keeps Davis.
Trust me, I love me some Gabriel Davis. He was my guy last year in the later rounds. I have him everywhere. This wasn't just about Fant, it was about having a solid young guy behind Kittle and hoarding the young ones. I'm not worried about Denver's QB situation either.
